HONOLULU, Hawaii (CNN) – Hawaii Governor Neil Abercrombie vowed to end the "birther" controversy surrounding President Obama's nationality once and for all.
Abercrombie, a newly-elected Democrat, told CNN that he will do whatever it takes to prove once and for all that Obama was born in Hawaii.
"We'll do what we can as quickly as we can to make it inevitable that only those who wish the president ill, only the ones with a political agenda, will be the ones doing this kind of thing," Abercrombie said. "The president is entitled to the respect of his office and he's entitled to have his mother and father respected."
Abercrombie, in his first on-camera comments on the matter, said that he has his attorney general and the state's Health Department director looking at what legal avenues can they follow to release more documentation of Obama's birth in 1961.
"As quick as we can we will," Abercrombie said. "This is a transparent state in terms of our communication with one another. This is the Aloha State. We care for each other, we look out for each other, we're family."
In a sign of how politically radioactive the issue is, White House officials would not comment on the remarks by Abercrombie, a former congressman who was sworn in as governor this month.
But the governor made clear in the CNN interview that he will push forward on this matter regardless of whether the White House is privately worried that it may bring more attention to the so-called "birthers" who continue to deny that Obama was born in America - despite evidence showing that he was.
"We haven't had any of those discussions," Abercrombie said of the White House. "It's a matter of principle with me. I knew his mom and dad. I was here when he was born. Anybody who wants to ask a question honestly could have had their answer already."
Asked if one option is to ask Obama to waive his privacy rights so that a copy of his actual birth certificate can be released publicly, Abercrombie cut off a reporter's question.
"No, no, no - it's not up to the president," he said. "It has nothing to do with the president. It has to do with the people of Hawaii who love him, people who love his mom and dad. It has to do with respect the office of the president is entitled to. And it has to do with respect that every single person's mother and father are entitled to."
Pressed on whether he might unilaterally release a copy of Obama's actual birth certificate, Abercrombie made clear that he is waiting for his cabinet officials to give him a report on what he can legally do before proceeding.
"Obviously, I'm going to do what is legally possible," the governor said.
Throughout the interview, Abercrombie was dripping with disgust for the birthers, saying his goal is to have an open process so that he can "put those who want to disrespect the president and his parents in the proper light, which is to say they have a political agenda not worthy of any good American."
Abercrombie repeatedly mentioned Obama's deceased parents, Barack Obama Sr. and Ann Dunham, because he knew both of them personally here in Hawaii and he is clearly motivated in large part by the notion of letting the President's parents rest in peace.
"It's an insult to his mother and father," he said. "How would anybody like to have their mother and father in that kind of situation?"
The governor said that he was friends with both parents, after Obama's father arrived from Africa.
"His father was one of the first scholarship students coming to the United States and he came to the University of Hawaii, which we were very proud (of)," said Abercrombie. "We became good friends."
The senior Obama was "a brilliant man," he said. "His mom was wonderful. We were happy to have them here with us as long as we did."
Obama was born on August 4, 1961 at the Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital. Two separate birth announcements appeared in the local newspapers, The Honolulu Advertiser and The Honolulu Star-Bulletin, in 1961.
But starting in the 2008 campaign, critics of Obama tried to delegitimize his candidacy by claiming he was born in Kenya or some other country, which would make him ineligible to serve as president.
The Obama campaign released a "certification of live birth," which is an official document in Hawaii.
But that has not been enough for birthers, who have demanded to see a copy of Obama's actual birth certificate, saying the certificate of live birth does not prove that he was born here. The cause has continued beyond the campaign through the first two years of Obama's presidency.
Lawmakers in some states, including Texas, are trying to keep Obama off the ballot in 2012 by seeking to pass legislation demanding that presidential candidates show their actual birth certificate.
Abercrombie seemed resigned to the possibility that offering more evidence still might not satisfy some critics.
"You're not going to convince those people because they have a political agenda or they have minds that go in that kind of direction," he said. "Conspiratorial theorists are never going to be satisfied. This has gone into another area of political attack."
But the governor still seemed determined to try and end the controversy once and for all.
"Anybody in this country who has a mom and dad and wants to have that mom and dad respected understands exactly what I'm doing," said Abercrombie. "This has nothing to do with a political agenda of mine or anybody else's. What it has to do with is the Aloha spirit and it has to do with the sense of family that we have for one another here in Hawaii. That's why the president comes here to Hawaii. He's home with family."
The earth began 6,000 years ago, the Bible is "fact" as is, the earth is flat, the sun revolves around the earth, uh....can't remember the other stuff.
No matter how vast the chasm between their beliefs and reality, so-called conservatives are determined to believe falsehoods and disbelieve the truth, so in most cases there is no amount of proof of Obama's birthplace that would be sufficient.
Jon, I absolutely agree with you 100%! Until President Obama took office I've never seen such hatred displayed since the Civil Rights Era. Not surprisingly, hatred, prejudice, bias and anti Semitism is taught in the homes of innocent born children, indoctrinated by negative parental influence and passed down through generations. What puzzles me they call themselves Christians with moral and family values! Yet they denigrate Islam and Muslims as heathens. These "Birthers" and "Tea Party" members are the socially maladjusted idiots and racists. My question, when did the Panama Canal Zone become a state in the union, the birth place of John McCain? Did any of the "Birthers" question that? Of course not, he's a "White American"!!
So, now it's the Christians fault eh? Tam, I bet you consider yourself open minded and a liberal. It seems people like you are more closed minded and opinionated than the people you choose to insult.
Lord help man! Please go back and take history over. Maybe a little course in physics and biology might help your ignorance. Earth only 6,000 years old. What planet were you born on. The same as Obama's. NOW CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS?
uhm, I think tam was being sarcastic
I think you may have missed the point... Tam was listing examples of crazy stuff people believe to be true despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
I believe that Tam was being sarcastic.
Total Facts: Did Tam need to put a "sarcasm" light on? Surely you got that she was mocking others, particularly "birthers," as being totally ignorant.
That said, this would have been ended sooner if our President or the Hawaiian government had shown the birth certificate signed by the attending physician, rather than having the previous governor state that she had seen it. I believe he was born in Hawaii, and I do not support most of his policies.
Maybe (and this would be a nice strategy) he is withholding its release to foment the unrest/speculation, only to reveal it perhaps in early October or late September 2012. That could give him a real bump in the home stretch.
Dude, Seriously? Do you not comprehend sarcasm that blatant?
I think hes joking...or at least I hope.
Tam is simply joking! I can't believe you took his/her statement seriously ... what kind of planet do you live in?
Lighten up, Francis. He was kidding. Calm down.
I think this is sarcasm...
He was being sarcastic...
I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic, TF...
Birthers are saying that they just want Obama to produce his birth certificate. Birthers believe that "if there's nothing to hide, then why not produce it?" It's not about the fact that there's nothing to hide so it should be produced. Such an argument is a logical fallacy and holds no merit. Would you feel the same way if someone wanted to search your home? If you have nothing to hide, then why not allow it? Further, if Obama were to produce his "original" birth certificate, what would people demand of him next? He's not in the business of quelling your concerns. He's in the business of leading this nation, and right now, this nation needs a leader, not someone bending to your silly, personal, and inconsequential demands. Grow up already.
dood - that sounded a bit like irony...
There is absolutely NO proof that the world is older than the Bible says and could not have been created mature and seemingly millions of years old. After all, Adam wasn't formed as a baby but in the image of God.
6000 years old, yea. and the bible wasn't written by men. hey what happen to all those other books they didn't like. no one can take you seriously.
Uh, I'm pretty sure Tam was making the little joke. Although I don't blame you for concluding otherwise so quickly - the Republican candidate for VP in 2008 believes two out of four.
Uh, I think Tam is being sarcastic – you knew that right?
I thnk Tam was being sarcastic. However, regarding the issue of Obama's credentials, I don't know whether or not he was born in the U.S. Yet, there is such an absense of official documentation about him and his unwillingness to release any and all such records only raises serious questions and doubts about his autheticity viz a viz the presidency. I'm not claiming he is a usurper of the office but, as an American citizen, like so many others, I have not only a right but an obligation to be concerned and we all have the right to know beyond any shadow of a doubt that he is eligible for the office. Not only is his place of birth at issue, but his actual citizenship. First, I may be incorrect, but my understanding long before Obama appeared on the scene was that at the time of Obama's birth, a natural born citizen had to have both parents who were American citizens at the time the child was born. If this is true, then Obama would not qualfy as "natual born." Second,there is the issue of his mother and he moving to Indonesia. Did they become citizens of Indonesia and, if so, did they or were they required to give up their U.S. citizenship? If Obama gave up his U.S. citizenship, what official evidece exists that he reapplied for U.S. citizenship? Additionally, if he reacquired U.S. citizenship by applying for it, does that negate the "natural born" requirement? These and other valid questions need to be answered fully and honestly and accompanied by official documentary evidence. Until then both those who claim he is not what he says he is and others, like myself, who merey want to be absolutely certain of the truth will not be satisfied.
Is it more than a coincidence that the same percentage of Americans who don't believe in dinosaurs is the same percentage who don't believe Obama is a US citizen? As with all the science substantiating dinosaurs existence, no amount of birth certificates will convince these Bible thumping, nationalistic (in the worse sense of the word) wackos.
I think he was being sarcastic…
I'm really confused about who's mocking whom. The author of this string is clearly mocking religious mythologists. This post is a curious mix of social obliviousness, a certain scientific awareness, and irrational political ragist (new word). Odd to find a stupid, scientific, fascist.
"Total Facts" is just further proof that ignorance, bigotry & fear are alive & well in the U.S. in 2010. Gov. Abercrobie's efforts are to be applauded, but fools like this will never be convinced & aren't worth worrying about.
The earth is 4.6 billion years old, you idiot. Start with facts, then you can become credible.
Ingenue 2, who would that "give him a bump" with? Anyone who would vote for him at all has never placed any stock in this birther BS. And anyone who 'needs convincing' that he was born in America would never vote for him anyway. The notion that proof of his birthplace is being held as some kind of October surprise is stupid.
You can not possibly be this ignorant can you ? Ever heard or geology ? We are in a world of hurt if there are many like you out there
um i think Tam is being sarcastic... i hope.
Do not mistake man-made myths with Biblical fact. The Bible has always stated that the Earth was round. Read Isaiah 40:22. Now after reading that, you may want to study the Bible and find out for yourself what it really says rather than just repeating lies. Religion = Bad, Bible = good.
Albert – I believe Tam was being sarcastic and mocking those who would believe such nonsense.
Biblical "facts" ARE man-made myths. If your best buddy told you that he was just talking to a burning bush in your yard, only it wasn't burning, you'd have him committed. Why do people believe preposterous assertions by bronze-age shepherds when they wouldn't believe the same thing for a tenth of a second if someone claimed it today?
'The Bible has always stated that the Earth was round'
Which shows how much nonsense it is as it claims the earth is a circle, when it isn't.
Sorry, that passage does not say the earth is a sphere. It says a 'circle'. A circle is a 2 dimensional figure, whereas the earth is 3 dimensional. A circle is, in fact, flat. So... FAIL!
Learn your bible facts, Isiah doesn't say the earth is a sphere, but a circle, a flat one. And if you buy the creation story, you are nuts. http://www.answering-christianity.com/earth_flat.htm
i've studied the bible. YOU should.
I think he was being sarcastic.
First of all the bible was written by many many many individuals. And these writings were subject to the Catholic church approval. Many writings were never permitted to be included in the bible. So basically what I am saying is that bible is a good fictional read and not much more.
The Bible says that the earth is a flat circle. It also say that it has with four corners (see Isaiah 11:12 , Revelation 7:1 , Job 38:13) and has pillars holding it up (NIV Job 9:6). Try reconciling all that if you take it literally!
Albert, if the Bible stated the earth was round, why were the 'Christians' ready to execute Copernicus as a heretic, simply because he submitted proof that the Earth was round? He later backed away from that ascertion so he could live.
I have read the Bible.. and doing so converted me to an Agnostic.. there are so many contradictions it's laughable. Experience tells me that bursting your bubble is a long-shot. And probably the best argument for gun-control.
Yes, the bible was written many, many, many, many, centuries ago by a bunch of Catholic minions, but it was also approved by their sky daddy who insisted on this 6 days of creation with a one-day hangover nonsense followed by a talking serpent who encouraged fornication between two doe-eyed siblings. Crazy stuff you rednecking tea-baggers believe in.
"biblical facts" ...oxymorons me lol
I think he should have put the disclaimer, "Alert: Incoming sarcasm. What I'm writing is clearly not to be taken seriously. Obviously nobody anywhere thinks that the world is flat. P.S. Duh."
The earth is spherical, not round. Actually, it's an oblate (imperfect) spheroid. The Bible is, as reported below (above?), a carefully but badly edited collection of myths.
The earth isn't a circle, as stated in the Bible verse you cited, it's a sphere. And there are numerous other verses in the bible in which the earth is described as having corners or edges; as being fixed on foundations or pillars; as being orbited by the planets, sun and stars; and as having a solid firmament around it in which the stars are fixed. The bible also states that there was once a canopy of water above the earth that, if it actually existed, would have blocked out the light of the sun and created pressures on the surface that would have rendered the planet uninhabitable. This canopy of water is said to have later caused a worldwide flood, and then...who knows? The bible doesn't tell us what supposedly happened to all this water that was supposed to have once flooded the entire earth, even the top of Mt. Everest. Believe what you want regarding the philosophical teachings of the bible, but it's not a source of truth by any means.
The Bible says that the earth is a flat circle. It also say that it has with four corners (see Isaiah 11:12 , Revelation 7:1 , Job 38:13) and has pillars holding it up (NIV Job 9:6). Try reconciling all that if you take it literally!
Just because the bible says the earth is "round" doesn't mean the earth is not flat. A coin is round, for instance. I hope this helps.
Doesn't the bible say that light was created on the first day? But it also says the stars and sun, which make the light, were created on the forth day. This paradox is there because the ignorant men who wrote the bible didn't know where the light came from, or much about anything else either. The bible is just as much a hoax as religion, which is the biggest scam in the history of civilization.
That passage does not say the earth is round like a three dimensional ball. It refers to a circle which can be drawn flat. Religion taught for centuries that the world was flat. It was thought Christopher Columbus would sail off the edge of the earth and his thinking was in opposition to religious teaching. Circles and balls are two different things!
I think the writer was exercising a little sarcasm here. ;)
the bible is not factual, it was translated by people like you and me; it's intent is to control civilized people. the bible was accidently and at most points purposely mistranslated to ensure that people were afraid of God. there is only so much civilization in a civilized group of people and the re-writers of the bible realized that. if the bible was not here what would you base any ethical decision off of? what are we all saints or something? get out of your little sheltered catholic world and read a book.
Forget the birth certificate, maybe he can explain how Obama traveled to Pakistan while US citizens were forbidden to travel there. I didn't make this up , the Prez wrote it in his book. Either he is a liar and never traveled to Pakistan, or he traveled there on another passport. Which is it, liar or foreign passport?
Actually, Mark, *you're* the liar...
There was no travel an to Pakistan in 1981...the New York Times even wrote a travel piece on Lahore in June of that year.
Seriously, stop being such a tool and get your facts straight. YOU and your ilk are the problem, not the solution.
Typo... "an" should be "ban", as in "There was no travel ban to Pakistan in 1981."
Also, Obama didn't write about it in his book, he mentioned the trip in a press conference.
Seriously–FACTS, NOT FOX!!!
What atheist joke book you pull this one from? Genesis chapters 1-6 are not to be taken literally and the Bible says that the Earth is round.
You should really not speak about things you know so little about.
One word from Obama and the Long Form Birth Certificate could be released. Any other talk is smoke and mirrors. Abercrombie doesn't need to talk to his attorney general or the state's Health Department director. He needs to call Obama and get his authorization to release the Long Form Birth Certificate... 'nuf said
Jake, why do you hold Obama to a much more strict standard than any other elected official? Why aren't you calling for McCain's birth records? He *was* actually born in a foreign country, and not on a military base, but in a Panamanian hospital. Yet there's no clamor for McCain's eligibility to hold office. Curious, isn't it?
Conservatives love the truth but they hate facts...
Albert –– The Sumerians, who pre-dated Christianity and the Bible by several thousand years, also knew the Earth was not flat. So did the Greeks. The Bible also had Adam and Eve as the first humans, yet their sons managed to find wives somewhere. The Bible also had some people living hundreds of years, back when the average lifespan was about 30.
The bible is not facts but many stories and interpretations set forth by individual accounts of what may have occurred. For all we know it's just a story... if you've got proof otherwise please let all of us know... Otherwise keep your nonsense to yourself!
Sure, of course the earth started 6,000 years ago yea and the bible is real too..sure sci fi is fantasy is make believe but you want people to believe all this garbage about Jesus death birth and re-birth and water to wine and all that crap.
I would urge you to forego doing any research into the number of discoveries that have verified people, places, events, etc. that are recorded in the Bible. I also urge you to forego applying the Scientific Method to the things you hold so dear. The Scientific Method (eventually) has a way of making us scientists look silly.
Birthers actually believe that men and dinosaurs walked the earth together. Minds in miniture. Dumb as a sack of hammers, thats da birthers.
Seriously, if anyone can't sense the sarcasm from the original poster I have to assume you are as dumb as those who actually believe the earth is 6000 years old. No physics or biology course can cure stupidity.
10000 years ago we first started agriculture. Try again.
I'll call "birthers" by their real name...bigots. Low class bigots that hide their predjudice behind someone else's printed word.
Surely this is a joke!
Tam is obviously being sarcastic.
Unless you want to change the law, the burden of proof lies with the accuser. If I claim you're a pedophile, it is not your obligation to prove you're not. It falls on me to prove you are. Asking you to provide evidence to help me prove my accusation would be ludicrous, but apparently, this doesn't seem to register with some people.
What the good governor doesn't understand is that these birthers will never accept, no matter what evidence there is, that the President was born in Hawaii. No matter what you show them, they will make up something about it so they won't believe it. These people are idiots and facts don't matter to them.
Who cares about his parents..... Let's justsee the actual birth certificate.... This is just a ploy to release more B. S. We won't be satisfied until we see the real BC. He is hiding it for a reason. This guy is an idiot and should ask the real question.... Why all the secracey..... I am ready to show my real BC espicially if someone doubted my citizenship. This guy is a fraud
Dear Unreal American,
Way back before Obama was elected, the State Department accepted my certificate of live birth as proof of my citizenship and issued me a US passport. If you insist on seeing Obama's original birth certificate (which, according to the REPUBLICAN former governor of Hawaii, has been microfiched adn the original paper destroyed), then you should produce your original birth certificate when your passport expires. Good luck with that.
It's the same folks that don't think we went to the moon and the same folks that watch jessie ventura conspiracy theory reruns. They are harmless and entertaining to talk to because some of them actually believe what they are saying. It's like listening to those tea baggers...you just have to chuckle.
Sure hope the governor is sucessfull at resolving this issue. But I doubt it will silence the birthers....a group who just cannot accept that an intelligent black man with a weird name could EVER be born in America. The core issue with them is that they simply do not want to accept that America is the melting pot of the world's cultures.
KatrR — Why does it have to be about race? Seems to me that the only ones who make a big deal of Obama's race are those who cast aspersions on his critics.
I think it's a simple matter of presenting a certified copy of a birth certificate, not hospital certificate, or any other document, but an actual birth certificate when a person files to run for public office. Any office. It's necessary most places to enroll in school, get a driver's license or passport, even to register for children's sports teams. It really isn't that big of a deal. One might question why, if it is no big deal and so simple, Obama hasn't just done this to clear things up....even if it isn't required under the current rules.
Cathy, the documents you refer to are actually certificates of live birth, not original birth certificates (or certified copies thereof). Years ago, many states moved to this format to reduce the paper storage requirements as the population has grown. The modern standard of proof is the certificate of live birth, in which the state government certifies that the subject was born on the date stated, at the location stated to the parents stated. I have used certificates of live birth to get US passports for myself and my children, enroll them in school, obtain a driver's license...all with no issues.
For the record, Obama's certificate of live birth was released to the media well before the election, and was examined by several independent experts and media outlets, all of whom attested to its authenticity and accuracy. The birther movement is simply a giant red herring. Seriously, pick an issue that matters and move on.
Just new some dim witted lib was going to turn this argument into a race game. How about this. HOw about this solution. Anyone born in the United States or a U.S. territory can go down to theCounty Clerk's Office in the county they were born in and obtain (for a small fee) a bonifide CERTIFIED COPY of their BIRTH CERTIFICATE! That's is what I would do if I were President and the issue were in dispute. Wouldn't you?
Jim, your comments reveal your own dimwittedness. In most states you cannot request a certified copy of your original birth certificate, because it no longer exists. Years ago, states began moving to the "certificate of live birth" model we have now to reduce the paper storage requirements from an ever-growing population. What you can request is a Certificate of Live Birth, in which the state certifies where, when, and to whom you were born. This document is accepted for passport and driver's license applications, for enrolling kids in school...even the Little LEague World Series accepts certificates of live birth! Remember Jim–Facts, Not Fox!!!
That may be YOUR core issue, but it isn't the issue with the rest of us. This president has not been transparent, not with his birth records, his college scores or other personal issues, all while his attack squad descends upon political enemies and looks up records from high school to present.
I think that the governor of HI would be much more productive giving Obama a competency test, but we all know why Jimmy Carter is so pleased these days...Obama will prove to be the least prepared, least competent president in the history of the United States, whose legacy will be the longest economic recovery in history, punctuated by ultra high spending and wealth redistribution.
I don't care if he was born in Russia...he's incompetent any way you look at him. Quit making excuses!
After 8 years of President Shrub, Kevin's post may be the funniest and most absurd thing I have ever read...
The same applys to Palin from your ignorant side. You just can't believe she was right on the Death Panels. Well she was. THEY'RE THERE SO TRY IF YOU CAN TO JUSTIFY THAT. THIS AND OBAMS SPENDING OF TEN AND A HALF TRILLIONS DOLLARS IN 18 MONTHS ARE TOO MUCH FOR ME. Such ignorance can not be ignored.
Uh no, she was not right. there's no such thing.
please!get your name on the death panel list ASAP!!!
Ok. If they're really there, please tell me what section of the health care bill created them. I have a copy of the final legislation that the President signed into law, I would love to see the "Death Panels" for myself.
$10.5T in 18 months? And you're getting this number from where exactly?
Oh yeah? Well, Republicans spent fifty gazillion dollars when they had control of the government. Yeah, that's right: other people can spout off completely bullsh!t numbers too. And look at me, I'M WRITING IN ALL CAPS!
YES BY USING POOR GRAMMAR AND INAPPROPRIATE CAPITAL LETTERS YOU MAKE A COMPELLING, REASONABLE POINT. Plebeian...
Total Facts, that made absolutely no sense. It's clear that you're grasping at straws and coming up short.
there are no death panels you moron
@Total Facts You're right, there are death panels. They're called insurance companies.
The subject of death panels is unsubstantiated TRITE. HMO's, PPO's, all Private Health Insurances ARE Death Panels. They already exist and SHOCKER it's in the private sector.
Capital letters make yours very obvious!
Now some real Total Facts, however, unpleasant they are for you to swallow, the only death panel in America is the one sponsored by the Republican governor in Arizona for transplant patients.
Where is TotalFacts getting his so-called "facts"? The lie about death panels is Total Lunacy and the lie about Obama's citizenship is a fabrication by people that can't stand to have a black Democratic president. Nobody has their "original birth certificate". That is a county record, filed with whatever county the person's birth is reported in by the doctor's that delivered them. Nobody, not even the President, can get that document out of the county records. A certified copy from the county is all you can get. I had to get a certified copy of mine from Los Angeles County to get a passport. That is a legal proof of citizenship and is all that is required. Besides, if the "birthers" got their hands on the actual document filed in Honolulu, they would just burn it and claim that it never existed.
Actually, extreme ignorance CAN be ignored. I will hereafter ignore YOU.
It's hard to tell if you're that crazy or just pretending to be that crazy!!!
ten and half trillion dollars in just 18 months? That's about the size of the U.S. economy according to CIA World Factbook figures. You also quickly forgot about how previous administrations Regan, first Bush, and especially G.W. Bush engaged in uncontrolled spending, running the nation into debt ... the budget surplus was quickly gome when Bush took over in 2000 ... You are brave enough to show you ignorance too
Seriously? The "death panel" part of the health reform bill was a "republican" amendment that would pay for consultations people had with their doctor about end-of-life decisions (in other words, what type of treatment you would want when you're dying). This is easy enough to research. That you STILL don't know this is shocking and amazingly ignorant. Palin knows it and is lying to you. Besides, we have "death panels" now, genius. They're called insurance companies. You don't think insurance companies decide whether you live or die now? I can tell you're a Palin fan. It's obvious.
Biggest Political Lie of 2009? Death Panels, per Factcheck.org you bozo!
This was disputed by even Republicans where where honest and were just against the health care bill due to cost.
What is the point of creating a "Health Care Bill" to cover everyone if you are going to EXCLUDE some?
If you are against the bill, fine
But don't buy into the most ridiculous of claims (which can be made by both side of the political isle) because you don't like the President that is passing it. I came to Bush's defense when stupid, irrelevant, claims were made against him.
Stick to theFACTS of topics you disagree with.
Might wan to change the name to TOTAL BS
There are no "death panels>" Just because someone will be able to discuss his/her choices when he;/she is sick near the end of life does not create these so-called panels. It is amazing how too many Americans do not know how to read and will always assume the worst. That is ignorance plain and simple.
Yeah, death panels exist, in Arizona, courtesy Republican Gov Brewer.
Will not pay for heart transplants. She made her own death panel.
Republicans are such wonderful folks.
'You just can't believe she was right on the Death Panels'
Yeah, they are in place now, they are called insurance companies and they decide whether they will cover your expenses or not.
Did you bother to find out that 100% of that money that the President supposedly spent was in the budget of his predecessor? Or that a tremendous percentage of that money is going to the war effort in Iraq (an illegal police action taken without the support of the UN) or in Afghanistan, where the Taliban that we went after for the 9/11 attacks no longer IS? Or that the so-called "death panels" are actually in the big insurance companies who routinely nix treatments for people based on costs rather than medical reasons - and who unanimously supported Palin?
Why do I bother? There is NO convincing stupid!
You want to know what the real death panels were? They were the insurance companies who cut off people with the so-called pre-existing conditions. They were the companies that laid off or fired people when they found out they were sick. They were the financial wizards who who refused to give loans to desperate parents of sick children who needed chemotherapy or an operation to live. They are the people who kept abortion illegal and forced mothers to seek back-alley abortions. They are the people who stifle research into stem cells that could save lives. They are the individuals who want to deny people with mental health issues the proper facilities and push them out into the streets. Those are the death panels.
It's a shame that conservatism and religion have historically been used as excuses for stupidity.
Oh for goodness sakes. Do you have a clue what a living will is? It's a document whereby you make your end of life decisions known. Do you want to be kept alive on a respirator? Do you want to be tube fed? Do you want to be resuscitated even if it would mean brain death? There are no death panels – all that will now happen any differently than before is that Medicare will now reimburse doctors for an office visit when they spend time counseling and answering questions about end of life decisions with their patients. A living will empowers you to make your own choices, not to leave them up to someone else when it is too late..
Stupid is as stupid does and your comments are stupid!
Oh please. Ten and a half trillion in 18 months? Why do I read these comments. I only loose my faith in humanity when I read such stupidity.
Yeah... the death panels are there.....he was born in Kenya... the earth is flat...what other "fact" do you want to espouse????
FOX NEWS has all the 'true' answers...just ask them!!!!
Now, take your pill....you sound like you missed a few.
The 'death panel' is coming for you.......boo!
TOTAL FACTS, you're right about one thing.. "such ignorance cannot be ignored". That is why I'm responding to your rant. Voluntary counceling is available to those who are approaching the end of the tunnel. While they still have their wits, people can produce a living will so they won't be pounced upon by vultures in the med$ industry. Remember Terry Shaivo (sp?)? Was it monsterous to pull the plug (i.e. stop feeding her). Or was it monsterous to keep her 'living' as a vegetable for 11+ yrs. And, how comical it is for Christians to think for even a second that Jesus would approve – keep her hooked up to a godless machine, thus delaying her ascention to Heaven. Absolute perversion by faux Christians with a political agenda (aka Tea partiers .. Sarah Palin).
'ten and a half trillions'? Why stop there? Actually Obama-the-antichrist-in-the-White-House spent more like 400 gazillion
dollars - and all of it on his Kenyan Muslim buddies!! Is the 10-trillion the figure Rush, in his infinite patriotic wisdom, cited for the multitudes? I can't imagine it came from anyplace sane! But then, you got the Total Facts, don't you. Wise up, dude; you're out of your element!
JackieinDallas, Agreed: there is no convincing stupid, but at least we can expose it to light so maybe it'll crawl back into the political woodwork, ya know? Damn but we've had enough of it!
If you can write ten and half trillion in standard or expanded form in the next 5minutes, I owe you a hundred bucks.
Troll Facts, your bad spelling, bad numbers, mythical panels surely (and I will call you Shirley) just an effort to tick people off. Nobody can be that stupid.
Palin was lying when she said the health care reform bill called for "death panels." The bill simply said that if a person wants to consult with their doctor about end-of-life issues (such as hospice care, whether to use heroic measures, and other important issues that are best decided by the patient when they can specify their wishes), that consultation is paid for by their insurance. A person is never made to have this consultation; it's just paid for if they chose to have it. From personal experience, I know that a patient getting to decide these things for themselves takes the burden off the family of trying to guess what the patient would chose when that patient becomes incapacitated. When my grandmother was dying, we all knew what she wanted (no heroic measures – she was 90 and ready to go) because she had specified this with her doctor. We were able to honor her wishes – which was a blessing for all of us!
Proof that despite the good intentions and ernest desires of Hawaii's new governor the willfully ignorant will remain so. They complain how liberals think they are so stupid and then go and spout the stupidest crap in the western world. If you don't want us to think you are morons, stop acting like morons.......Difference of opinions and ideas is one thing, believing in pure lies isanother-there is no common ground when dealing with these kind of absurd lies.
This is what happens when pot heads take over. Cute isn't it? jesus H.
You have my pity....
Like I said ignorance multiplys when one runs rampant in the streets like they did in Los Angles bashing innocent people in the head with brick bats. Really brilliant there wasn't it. I wasn't rying to educate your ignorance just telling you the facts as you will eventually see. Then let's see if there are any apologies forthcoming. Obama is out of his mind and especially his enviroment. The same as your flapping lips are. These are not insurance panels dummies or counselors of a living will. These are panels on how much they will allow medicare to pay for a ailing patient. Again you are listening to the Liberal media and not reading the Obamacare healtcare book. BUT THERE IS NO NEED, NOW FOR IT WILL NEVER TAKE OFF. IT IS IN THE COURTS AND STATES ARE NOT GOING TO ACCEPT IT. SO AGAIN YOU WILL NOT GET ANYTHING ELSE FREE. GO GET A JOB. QUIT SMOKING THE WEED DUDE SO YOUR BRAIN CAN THAW OUT. FOR YOUR INFORMATION I WAS A DEMOCRAT FOR 50 YEARS. AFTER SIX MONTHS OF OBAMA I SAW WHERE HE IS TRYING TO TAKE US AND THAT IS THE TOTAL DESTRUCTION OF AMERICA. Also I WILL ADVISE YOU THE COST OF SPENDING IN A BUDGET IS DONE YEAR TO YEAR. OBAMA'S STARTED WHEN HE TOOK OFFICE BY A DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS. HIS TREMENDOUS SPENDING WAS NOT ON WAR. I WAS ALSO IN THE SERVICE FOR 30 YEARS SO I KNOW WHAT A WAR COST. THE SPENDING WAS TO BALE OUT THE THREE MOTOR COMPANIES THAT IS NOW OWNED BY THE US AND THE BANKS. SHOULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED. THEY SHOULD HAVE BANKRUPT JUST LIKE THE US IS GOING TO DO. WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO LIVE OFF OF IN A YEAR FROM NOW. PRAY TELL THE MIDDLE CLASS IS ON A FALLING STAR.
"The Troubled Asset Relief Program, commonly referred to as TARP, is a program of the United States government to purchase assets and equity from financial institutions to strengthen its financial sector which was signed into law by U.S. President George W. Bush on October 3, 2008."
Bush signed the TARP legislation, you nitwit, not Obama.
Try to check in with reality once in a while. The total destruction of America will be achieved when the far-right loonies succeed in establishing a theocracy. When fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in the flag and waving a cross. And it's knocking at the door right now, in the guise of Sarah Palin and Newt Gingrich.
"GO GET A JOB. QUIT SMOKING THE WEED DUDE SO YOUR BRAIN CAN THAW OUT."
4 things: I work full-time, I haven't smoked weed in over 25 years (and then did it VERY rarely because I found it boring), I'm not a dude, and my brain isn't frozen. I'm also the dependent of a 30-year Army veteran, one of my brothers and one uncle were both career Navy (20 and 30 years, respectively), my grandfather flew for the Navy in World War I (lied about his age and joined at 16), another uncle served in Italian during World War II (as did my late father-in-law), and my grandmother worked in the Bremerton shipyards building destroyers during World War II. So I guess by your reasoning, I ALSO know what a war costs – and I know that Bush kept the cost of the Iraq and Afghanistan off the books and cut taxes on the wealthy during wartime (unprecedented in our nation's history) – and THAT is what took the Clinton surplus and turned it into a deficit.
Regarding health care, right now insurance companies deny treatment ALL THE TIME, based on a person's age or statistical probability of survival (i.e., they say you're too old for a life-saving procedure, so they deny it).
There are NO death panels; and if you insist on believing that, then I feel sorry for you – because you are being lied to by the likes of Fox and Limbaugh and Palin – and you don't even realize it!
Oh get real. An end of life discussion does not deny anyone any kind of medical treatment. If the person wants to go ahead with the pointless heart surgery even though they have 4th stage cancer and 6 months to live they can. However, the heart surgery will be pointless and cost us all $200,000. However, if the person with 4th stage cancer and 6 months to live has an honest discussion with their doctor and decides they want another option, the end of life consultation can share with them alternative choices, like hospice. Medicare already requires an end of life discussion when people first get on. They have for years and years, the only difference is that now that discussion is yearly to keep records and information current.
P.S. I meant to say my uncle and late father-in-law served in the Italian theater (Anzio, to be exact).
Death panels, AGAIN? THAT'S IT, ALL ADULTS PLEASE STAND UP AND SMACK THESE MORONS UP SIDE THE HEAD.
Oh, dear Lord in Heaven! TOTAL FACTS, are you that INSANE that you believe all that cr@p?
What is it with Teabaggers and birthers that they assume anyone who doesn't agree with them must be unemployed, on drugs or looking for handouts?
I downloaded a copy of the final bill and there is nothing "free" in it. In fact, thanks to the insurance company lobbyists lining Republican pockets, the "reform" is kind of weak. Of course, you being a big, bad "veteran", I assume you will be turning down the Medicare assistance for the donut hole.
But you wouldn't have had to worry about Medicare at all if the Reagan-era robbery of military benefits had not been passed by a (R)/(R)/(R) government.
If McCain had been elected, you would have NO benefits at all because the "Panamanian" was all for making older vets get a voucher to see a doctor in town. You would not have been allowed near a military hospital and VA hospitals would have been phased out.
And, for the record, the so-called "death panels" exist in every insurance company. Doctors don't decide what care will be covered; the accountants in the boiler room decide. The insurance companies also cap lifetime expenditures, so with the reform, those caps are not allowed anymore.
You think a cap doesn't matter? When a co-worker had her baby prematurely, the bill for the first 24 hours was over $150K! The total over four months was close to $2 million. The insurance company put a cap on neonatal after that. How many babies died because the insurance wouldn't cover the care anymore?
I agree with the majority here–you are a troll.
(quote) The same applys to Palin from your ignorant side. You just can't believe she was right on the Death Panels. Well she was. THEY'RE THERE SO TRY IF YOU CAN TO JUSTIFY THAT (end quote)
Dude, have you looked at your own health insurance? They were able to decide to cut you off if you get cancer long before Obama was even born.
@Total Facts: I doubt you can balance your checkbook. I'm sorry (though I doubt) you were in the service for so long, and I know that IED induced brain injuries are a serious problem today. Is that what happened to you? The frustrated rage is symptomatic and understandable, but with patience and determination you can overcome it. Hang in!
Wow. You are one dumb cracker.
You are so short on facts that you are not even worth arguing with.
I find iy easy to ignore you IDIOT!
Fox News misses you. You remind me of my own brother.....so infatuated w/Palin he says some pretty stupid things in her defense. I ask him to explain one solution she has proposed, other than her endless and sarcastic empty rants and he can't come up with any; just that she's "cute and can shoot a gun". Get a grip! You do have a point, 20% of our country is "dumb"; unfortunately they were the ones who came out to vote this last round. This too will change.
No, she is wrong. This idea of a death panel is her cruel way to play dirty politics.
Total fact-less. You are uneducated, and ill informed. Do your self a big favor and enroll in some college courses, you could start with Civics and Government. That is of course if you have a high School diploma.
Dear Total Facts. Please get some.
His releasing the birth certificate will stop nothing since it is completely irrelevant at this point. If Barry's daddy was Frank Marshall, then we were lied to and Obama is a traitor. If his father was Barack Hussein Obama as advertised, then daddy was not a U.S. citizen and Barry isn't eligible to be the POTUS. No matter how you slice it, we've been had.
She *wasn't* right on the Death Panels. She *still* isn't right. You repeating that over and over again *isn't going to make her right.* http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/palin-vs-obama-death-panels/
rule of conservative "thought": repetition=rightness. it makes their teeny little minds less threatened. and more too, come to think of it. this is what comes of cutting education funding for the past 30 years.
Jon – there's no point in trying to convince TOTAL (LY INGNORES) FACTS. 'Fact' is something that anyone who believes Sarah Palin is purposely ignoring.
Absolutely spot on.
Now, if you'd like to see an example of a REAL death panel, you might want to check out ol' Leatherface herself, the grand Crypt Keeper of Arizona, Governor Jan Brewer.
She diverted funds coming from the Federal government to other "priorities" while people awaiting heart/lung/liver transplants (and cannot afford them) are being refused care. Know why they're being refused care? Because Jan Brewer diverted funds that could have saved their lives. She alone decided this.
How's that for a death panel?
Republicans always argue based on projection. It's the Republicans who want the death panels, not Democrats. Republicans want to be able to deny insurance coverage because it might hurt their profits. Apparently, money is more important than lives. Republicans, I'm sure your Jesus is very proud of you.
On Dec. 3, the Obama administration seemingly flouted the will of Congress by issuing a new Medicare regulation On detailing "voluntary advance care planning" that is to be included during patients' annual checkups. The regulation aimed at the aged "may include advance directives to forgo aggressive life-sustaining treatment," The New York Times reported.
"forgo aggressive life-sustaining treatment" For the Obuma lovers...a panel will decided if you should live.
Read more: Obama Embraces 'Death Panel' Concept in Medicare Rule
Jon, good luck getting "Total Facts" (yes, more than a little irony there) to read all those boring words, when DEATH PANEL!!! is so sexy and easy to repeat, and repeat and repeat and...
LOL, that woman is only right as far as being a republican but is otherwise dumb as a doorknob! I'm still awaiting something intellegent to come from her mouth... I guess I'll be waiting an eternity!
Well said Jon! Thats how some of the GOP folks have been trying, and sadly, have also been successful: to keep repeating lies 10 time until people start believing it.
Undoubtedly your not up with the news. Obama admitted that the death panels was part of his package. So say what you will about me. I am a 30 year veteran of the Army Infantry and Veteran of three wars. Words so far have never hurt me but ignorance is a sore under my saddle I can not tolerate. If you going to be black you don't have to be ignorant also. There were plenty of educated and smart African Americans in the service with me. But the difference in them and you is they took nothing for verbatum just because the Officer was black. They studied the situation before they put another foot forward. Unlike what I am seeing on here. They didn't judge by color because they knew their life depended on it. As for you THINK AGAIN my love is not for Sarah Palin. It is for Brigitte Bardot. I'm an old timer. The young still have a lot to learn like you numbn....s!
(quote) Undoubtedly your not up with the news. Obama admitted that the death panels was part of his package. So say what you will about me. I am a 30 year veteran of the Army Infantry and Veteran of three wars. (end quote)
1. Show us proof that Obama did admit about death panels (like Jon just did)
2. You are 30 years old and a Veteran, yet you can't figure out that what you've been brainwashed by the political extremists who wish to poison the mind of our youth with the kind of BS you're telling us.
3. I may not have served for 30 years like you did, but I sure as heck know a lot about the health insurance industry. I have an Associate in Science in Medical Office Administration and more than 3 years experience in both direct patient care, and medical billing. I can assure you that there were no death panels imposed so far and I can assure you that whoever brainwashed you in the first place was obviously lying to you just to trick you into voting for the GOP.
4. Just for the record, I'm Non-Partisan. You should know what that means. And yes, Non-Partisanship does exist. Get use to it.
@Total Facts: What 3 wars? Describe the exact definition of "death panels." America is in trouble because it is paralyzed by parasitic right wing morons who imagine they are earning their keep (even if they don't have jobs!), borrow money to live high, ask the government to borrow money to finance their tax cuts, complain if their roads and bridges aren't up to snuff, pay Halliburton through the nose for corrupt programs, but won't pay for education of their own children. The Chinese, Saudis, and others own us thanks to their appetite for big screen TVs and gas guzzling Hummers and we don't dare make a move because the Chinese could collapse us on a whim, thenks to their moronic behavior.
yup... Obama actually requested that he personally gets to wield the knife when the panel reaches its conclusion. He also stated that he was born in Kenya and he intends to dismantle the US way of life and name himself Czar. .... finding it on google doesn't make it true.
Be Ready...your "news" story was actually from Newsmax, not the New York Times. The Newsmax story intentionally distorts the related New York Times story, whihc is that the Obama administration issued a new Medicare rule that reimburses doctors for end-of-life care consultations with patients, during which patients determine the conditions of their care towards the ends of their lives. These can include "advance directives to forgo aggressive life-sustaining treatment." For those of you slow on the uptake–these are advance directives made by the PATIENTS, not doctors or any nonexistent panel. As in a living will, the PATIENTS can decide (or, issue a "directive") ahead of time (i.e., in "advance") that they do not wish to be kept alive by aggressive life-sustaining treatment (i.e., resuscitation, machines, etc.).
Read the *actual* story here...
FACTS, NOT FOX!!!
I believe Obama was born in Hawaii. What don't understand is why they just don't show the damn original BC and be done with it. Is his real name Adolf Hitler or something?
TOTAL FCTS is either a troll or an A$$HOLE. Maybe both.
I vote for *both*
Why is it that my comments must be moderated, but people can type the things I saw above?
(btw, I'm not offended, just wondering...)
Naaah!!!....He's a 'birther'!!!
From what I've seen of Total Facts other posts, he has a HUGE crush on Sarah Palin (he's quoted Nostodamus in the past and about him predicting a "princess" coming to save the day, yadda, yadda, yadda). He's got it bad for Palin; which is fine, except when it inhibits his ability to look at her words and actions objectively (she's a quitter, a liar and a mooch: 1/2 term governor, death panels nonsense/claiming to be a Christian while smirking at her suppporters calling to "kill" then-candidate Obama; taking an Alaska state housing allowance while living in her own home).
Now THERE'S some "Total Facts" that I cannot ignore!
Bite me. Or better yet come to Texas or I'll meet you halfway so you can see just how big of an a..h..e! I can be.
Total Facts is willfully ignorant and projects. It is pointless having a rational discussion with people like that. They believe what they want to believe and disregard all evidence to the contrary.
TOYAL F3KS IS VERY SHORT ON THE TRUTH AND LONG OF GAS BAGGING.
TOTAL FACTS you need to change your name, because you are way off base with facts. Also, it is your type that makes me concerned because as an old folk I hope this administration and future administrations don't write us all off as being people who do not know how to rationalize correctly. Not all old brains have lost it as you have playing loosely with the facts, etc. It is great to know you know how to use the computer but your reasoning is sadly lacking.
Yup, definite Troll.
ahhh ... question answered ... its the latter hes from Texas. Now I understand that state is chock full of em
Note to total fact-less. I too am a natural born Texan, It appears that the level of education is not equal across the State. I am proud to be a Texan yet I am not proud of Texans like you.
I hope the Governor can resolve the issue but I would doubt it. I saw multiple idiots run for office in 2010, who in my opinion should not have had any support outside their own family, but they had quite a lot. I also saw supporters of Miller (R-Alaska) say Obama is a communist, and when asked how they know this, they could only reply, "I don't know, but it's true." Seeing that kind of hatred on display made me realize right and wrong does not matter to some people, they only want to get their way, even if it is in no ones best interest.
KatR, the person below who claims palin is correct about death panels is the exact example who STILL won't believe that Obama was born in the US if Hawaii releases the real birth certificate. Even when confronted with the fact that it would have to be quite the conspiracy for people to ensure that this birth was noted in 2 newspapers 49 years ago and that this very person made it to be the first black president is shocking. There are people who choose to stay ignorant, even when facts slap them in the face over and over again.
Curious how you got $10.5T, total (ahem) facts? The FY2010 deficit is $1.71T which is down from the FY2009 deficit of $1.89T (which is bush's since the budget was passed during his administration). How/where did you get the $10.5T?? Even the debt doesn't show it. Bush took the debt from something like $5.8T to $11T, and it's currently between $13T and $14T. Again, the $10.5T??? Where did you get that number?
"An intellectual black man". Really? Uhmmm, hate to bust your kool-aid bubble but ......... HE'S NOT BLACK !!!!!!
And intelligent? Ever seen the man without a teleprompter? All he can say is "uh -uh -uh -uh – uh".
We counted his "uh's" during one response to NBC reporters on a question that he didn't have the answer to on his teleprompter. How many "uh's" ???
Liar. –Twenty-three? Really? You must be related to TOTAL FACTS! You his son?
This is a cop out, just like those who oppose Obama's actions and policies are racists. I married a black woman and am not a racist. I am just appalled at this presidents effort to destroy the American economy and supply money to murder innocent babies. I was not a "Birther" until I educated myself. You should do the same. A "Live Certificate of Birth" IS NOT A BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!! IT DOES NOT SHOW U.S. BIRTH, BUT RATHER ONLY CITIZENSHIP!!! WHY, WHY, WHY if the president was born in this country is it so hard for him to reveal his birth CERTIFICATE??? There is no SHOWN documentation of the hospital he was born in or the doctor that attended the birthing. WHY???
You don't allow something like this to continue IF you can provide evidence to clear it up. WHY HASN'T HE?
Get off the demonizing those with legitimate concerns just because they don't hold to your socialist supporting tendencies.
Big Kitchen, you are so wrong. The certificate of live birth in every state shows the date, time, location, and parents' names of the subject. So if the birth occurred in the US, then it most certainly shows US birth. The certificate of live birth is designed to reduce the paper storage burden to the states related to an ever-growing population. this document is accepted as proof of live US birth in every capacity–when getting a driver's license or passport, when enrolling in public schools, even when enrolling in the US military. The Department of Defense, under Ronald Reagan, granted me a secret security clearance without seeing my actual birth certificate. The certificate of live birth is essentially the state government certifying that the subject was born at the time, date, and location specified on the certificate.
Seriously, did you even look at a certificate of live birth before you posted?
You know I sit here and read all these comments, and wonder what all of yu people are thinking? Every president throughout history always had to prove his birth. What makes this president so different? So what if he is a black man, a white man, or any other color man. I read one post about him being an intelligent man which i am sure he is smart, about some things, not all. I personaly wish that he and congress would listen to the people that put them in office and not the few that are out for themselves.
Some of us dont give a rats butt that he is black. But, sometimes thats the only arguement you can come up with. I just dont want a far left America. He is a fibber and I cant listen to him anymore
Where were you when bush and chaney were lying their *sses off?
I challenge you to produce actual evidence of one lie that Obama has told. You cannot, because there are not any. But as many have already said, you cannot argue with a person who is not open to reasoned dialog.
Catie, uh, Catie, uh, do you recall why we supposedly HAD to invade Iraq. Does the phrase "weapons of mass distruction", that were NEVER FOUND was the TRUE LIE BUSH SOLD US ON ....... YOU MORON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He's been living under Ayer's Rock.
Obama just compromised. How does this equate with far left? The problem is that the far right Republicans don't want to compromise. Seeing as you're privy to their thinking–tell them to move to the middle as Obama has.
Passports, travel documents, transcripts, enrollment and all other academic documents?
Total Facts = Total Idiot.
This has nothing to do with" an intelligent Black Man" this has to do with the Consitution Obama's father was British at Obama's birth. I don't know what you were taught in school but I was taught you must be born in US to TWO citizen parents!!!! This also means that Bobby Jindal and Marico Rubio cannot run for president their parents were not citizens of the US at their birth. You can use your RACISTS Rant all you want dosen't make him an NATURAL BORN CITIZEN!!!!
CNN should be ashamed for calling Obama's American birth "controversial." By doing so, CNN gives credibility to crackpots and idiots. The right-wing press does this all the time - from the "birther" idiots to the anti-global-warming idiots to the anti-evolution idiots. The right-wing press gives these crack pots credibility where none is deserved, and they do it by creating a "controversy" where non exists - except (of course) among the idiots. We used to have a national press that employed intelligent, reasoning reporters that actually understood the evidence and data behind the storied they covered. Unfortunately, in today's world, the "news" is just entertainment, and "news anchors" are more likely to have blinding white teeth and implants than a brain.
1. Trying to protect Hawaii becoming the laughing stock and worse if Obama decides not to run for re-election.
2. Some more flim-flam to avoid addressing the only way to get to the bottom of it, which is to look at the original source documents with 1961 signatures when no one had reason to lie. Either there is a 1961 birth certificate or there isn't. Soon we are going to find out. Documents have to be filed with election officials throughout the U.S.
There are 5,000 counties in the U.S.. Even if the state election officials don't ask for the birth certificate, some of the county officials will. And, not all of the local judges are going to sell out or be bought out.
Show the name of the Witch Doctor who delivered him! Can't, huh? That's because he's chasing rhinos in Kenya.
Birthers are the lowest of the intellectual;y challenged. Show 'em the real birth certificate and they will dispute that, too, because they can't admit they can't hang with a brother living in the White House.
The is nothing anyone can do, or say, or prove in writing to the birthers. There objections is not President Obama's citizenship, it's because he is an African-American president. The birthers are racist in the purest sense. Black man, white woman will never be acceptable. My suggestion for the birthers, look around, this is just the tip of the iceberg. A Multiculturalism Society is here to stay, deal with it!
It's nice that sensible people are still trying to make this non-issue go away, but when you're dealing with unreasonable bigots, you're not to accomplish much. The g-d birthers will never believe that the President was born here - no matter what proof is provided.
Doesn't this man sound like someone else in the news – talking and talking, but making absolutely no sense whatsoever? Does Sarah Palin have an uncle?
No matter what documents are released, it won't satisfy the birthers. These people have a pathological hatred of the President that cannot be assuaged by things like facts, logic, and reason. What these wackos need is to be deprogrammed, like they do with people who've been taken in by cults.
And perhaps while he fakes a second birth certificate he can explain the lack of paper trail of this man relative to EVERY single other aspect of his life... perhaps he can explain his multiple social security numbers... perhaps he can tell us more about "Barry" and why the different names? Nobama in 2012!
The CORE issue is we have never seen the original birth certificate from 1961.
They'll cry the same thing they cried the last time they were shown his birth certificate: "SHOW US THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE!".
Birtherism is rooted in racism.. in that there is no reason at all to believe Obama was not born in the US to begin with. Even this supposed lack of a certificate would never even be used as proof unless the question was asked in the first place... and there is no reason to ask the question beside the fact that he is brown and has a funny name.
Barry iz frum kenya yeeeeeeHAW
Governor, watch out! The Birthers will come after you asking if you are also an american born citizen or if you did some dealing with Obama's dad in Africa. The birthers are "character assasins", and thats what they will do to deligitimize your clarification too!
Why even acknowledge the arguments? The "birthers" are morons. No amount of evidence would ever be enough. Why bother arguing with them and give credence to their babble?
I recently was invited to attend a meeting of concerned citizens identifying themselves as "Birthers For Truth" here in San Antonio. What I heard was frightening, but more importantly what I discovered was even more revealing. I asked 20 people there if they knew where George W. Bush was born. They all said Texas, various cities, but all stated Texas. When I tried to inform them that "W" was born in New Haven, CT, you'd think I had just slaughtered a kitten!
End of discussion.............. My mother always told me to never argue with an idiot, and i won't. I left the meeting quietly.
Your mom was a smart lady! And that has obviously rubbed off on you as well. Good for you!
But, Einstein, do you think any of them questioned whether he was born in the United States? Didn't think so.
I agree with your comment completely – my mom told me the same thing, " never argue with idiots, because they tend to drag you down to their level and defeat you with experience."
I wonder how many of them would have known what country John McCain was born in?
I wish you'd stayed at the meeting, got up in front, and lambasted them for what they really are – hopeless racists.
However it does delight many demoncratic party members that the Bush family literally bank rolled Nazi Germany's war machine. Prescott Bush also pulled some heinous pranks including grave robbing. Although he did not steal Gernimos head he did steal other Indian remains that is on display at Yale University at the Skulls and Bones building. As for the pranks that Bush Sr. pulled while a Skull is as secret as the pranks W pulled in his years there. Of course Obama pulled his own pranks as an intern for Chicago's Teamsters HQ. They sent him out on "errands" that included returning with large bags of items. The movie "My big fat greek wedding" played an homage to Obama's days at the Teamsters when the father said his daughter should not study downtown because someone would tell her to carry a bag down there and she would say yes. That's what Obama did all the time as an intern. It was while being a Teamster intern that he met most of his Nation of Islam contacts. Afterall he only lived 3 miles east of the Nation of Islam world temple. He was the alderman over that ward. It was his days in the Chicago City Council that he learned everything he needed to accomplish where he is today.
All of which proves nothing. If you asked 50 people on the street who is the speaker of the House, 45 wouldn't have a clue. We are all idiots in dozens if not hundreds of areas of interest. What is important is what you know about the issue under discussion and what we know about that is that Obama's father was a Kenyan national and a British subject which makes Barry ineligible to be the POTUS.
I believe your story a 100% I went to Maine on vacation this year, swung by Kennebunkport..... OH my that is about as un Texan a place I ever saw , but those Texans will assist George W is a good ole boy , just shucks one of them
That's very interesting. I'm in San Antonio as well and I would have shown up to that meeting just for laughs. People are very stupid. I always knew Bush part 2 was from CT but yes, most people believe he's an honest to God Texan. Ignorance is Bliss.
Scary, isn't it? You did the right thing – slowly back away from the crazies.
To me, the really funny part is that Obama's rival, McCain, was truly born OUTSIDE the US.
Obviously our schools are lacking these days. It was absolutely shocking that 40% (or more?) of people in the USA didn't know the significance of the 4th of July. Why we should expect them to know where George W. Bush was born is most likely too much to ask of them The birthers simply are either dumb and/or prejudiced people. Glad I am old because we must have had better educators at that time. They didn't strike and even though they didn't try to connect (in many cases) on a personal level with the students, the students learned and mostly respected their teachers and their teachers' abilities. No wonder the President talks about education so much. He is an observer and education got him to the powerful job of the presidency.
Mean to say 40% between 19 and 29 year olds don't know about July 4th significance.
Smart move. I doubt that anything that is said or supplied will stop the birthers. They will say the birth certificate is a forgery, or whatever will work so that they can keep their conspiracy theory alive.
You could have further enraged them by telling them that John McCain was certifiably NOT born in the U.S. - he was born in Panama!
It still counts as the US.
you need to study the constitution more, where mccain was born as compared with obama are 2 separate distinct issues. the question of birthers ONLY has to do with parents are not american citizens and because of this, for the most part only occurs on american soil, mccain was born on an american military installation in panama, to american parents, completely different situation, regarding being president, you are supposed to be only a "natural born citizen" however, since obama was elected and not mccain, again a moot point....troll
we all know that John McCain was born in Panama because the dem's made him show his birth certificate. When the republicans asked to see Obama's, they were told no. In fact Obama had all of his information that would tell all about him sealed. We all have to show our birth certificates if we want to get a pass-port, so why shouldn't Obama be willing to show his long-form birth certificate? It really is a very simple request especially since his father was not an American citizen and people want to know. Let's face it, the dem's questioned whether John McCain was qualified because of where he was born, so why can't we ask the question about Obama's birth?
This is to Damien(OMEN).... just where IN the CONSTITUTION does it specify it is OK to be born on an american military base in another country.....I didn't think we had any in 1787!!!!
John McCain was born in Coco Solo hospital, on the Atlantic side of the Canal Zone (I lived there for three years growing up). He was born on American soil, so he's an American. His parents could have been from Mars; he's still an American, because of the location he was born.
Just as President Obama is an American, because he was born in the state of Hawaii. End of story!
P.S. None of my children have a "long-form" birth certificate; our state issues "Certificates of Live Birth;" you have to special order a long and fancy birth certificate (read a previous post of mine explaining why I didn't want to spedn $50 a pop on a piece of paper that would only end up on the wall or in a file folder somewhere). All I've ever asked for to prove their births was the Certificate of Live Birth.
Rose and Damian, hate to tell you this but McCain had to be voted eligible to run by Congress. It shouldn't have happened because of U.S. TITLE 8 > CHAPTER 12 > SUBCHAPTER III > Part I > § 1401. Of course, this also covers you-know-who...
@ Damien – As far as I'm concern, according to the US Constitution, you need to be at least a natural born US (as in you were popped out of your mommy's womb in the US) citizen, have lived in the US during the past 14 years straight, and be 35 years old. That was it. You'd think our Founding Fathers would've left more details than that if they wanted any US President to be required to have been born to two US Citizen parents. If that was the case, then George Washing and all the other presidents thereafter during the first generation would've have been qualified to be president.
(quote) If that was the case, then George Washing and all the other presidents thereafter during the first generation would've*** have been qualified to be president. (end quote)
***Sorry, the word "would've" should have been written as "wouldn't". Typo.
Sometime deep hatred leds to ignorance! If you had video of big "O" born in the hawaii hospital they would'nt believe it, The birthers are a bunch of lunatics that needs some serious help!
Thanks for that. That is how theextreme far right works. They are incredibly ignorant and totally incapable of hearing, understanding and forming opinions on anything not spoon-fed to them by " hate entertainers" such as Ann Coulter, Rush, Glen and of course, the totally self serving Palin They are convinced that they are the only true Americans and that the rest of us have no right to be here. You may have noticed too that except for Steele, they are almost 100% white folks.....
But, I digress, these dumbS#%ts love to flock together with some lamebrained fiction that Rush/Pailin have made up and discuss it with their limited vocabularies such as they are, then have Fux News report on it as a legitimate issue.
I applaud your bravery in asking the folks at the meeting where GW was born ... I'm surprised they didn't try to string you up!
It ain't over till it's over.
(quote) It ain't over till it's over. (quote)
Which was back in 2008. And besides, if Obama really wasn't born in the US, don't you think the INS, CIA, NSA, Dept of Homeland Security, the Supreme Court, and Congress would've known about that?
Total facts again... I was told the same thing when I reminded an individual that the Texans were begrudgingly let into the Union only to turn around and take part in the nations largest act of treason.
Birthers are my way of showing you who the idiots are.
Thank you. Now that you've identified them, can you do something with them? Like, maybe, give them a brain?
I was in TX this summer talking to a group of people that were outraged that Obama went on vacation in Maine. I mentioned that the Bush family summered at their home in Kennebunkport, ME. Same thing... it was like I stomped on a kitten by talking about people wanting to go somewhere other then TX.
Don't waste your time. No amount of evidence will ever satisfy a conspiracy lover.
They'll just insist that all the items were faked after the fact in order to cover the "truth".
He means well, and I wish him luck - but he doesn't seem to realize that the so-called "birthers" aren't rational and won't accept rational explanations. The few I've crossed paths with will, undoubtedly, simply dismiss the governor as part of the conspiracy and cover-up that they perceive as going on. The truth is, many of them don't seem to need evidence to the contrary to settle their seeming doubts, so much as a full medical/psychiatric work-up and, in many cases, some kind of medication.
Governor Neil Abercrombie, one relatively easy way to end the birther controversy: Have president NObama produce the adequate/necessary certificate of birth. What are you, and the President and his supporters afraid of. If President NObama didn't lie so much and so often, this would probably be a non-issue. Because of this there are serious doubts (and rightfully so) in most American's minds
President NObama, Governor Abercrombie; it's time to come clean. Be assured that until this happens, this controversy is not going to go away.
Mr. President, you should clear the air once for all. Again, what are you and your protectors afraid of?
Oh well...So much for transparency!
His birth certificate is valid you fool.
A birth certificate isn't enough for you? You can't fix stupid.
"Release the long form! ... Show the one with the raised seal...Use the one where the doctor signed his name...that doesn't look like mine and I was born there in '82" and on and on and on.
Hawaii is part of the US. Obama was born in Hawaii. 'Nuff said.
He has to the satisfaction of all interested. He can not prove a negative. if he does you will come with another question only to chase a rabbit trail. Like Rick52 showed above, you can not convince someone who has an interest in not being convinced. So just ignore them. Don't argue with an idiot is what mom's teach their kids. There is a reason for that. I heard that you were born of an alligator. Prove you have not!
Jerry, what has the President lied about in your mind? Please, don't cut and paste an internet rumor as your response. Tell me what you've heard the President say (not a FoxNews personality) that you believe is untrue.
The documentation HAS been presented TIME AFTER TIME. There have been 8 or possibly 9 federal cases on this issue and all have been decided with Obama being born in the USA. He who has eyes, let him see!
Are you saying that you believe that Obama was not born in the USA? I'm no Obama fan, but if you truly believe that, you're simply a f'in idiot.
Put your actual birth certificate on the internet. Prove that YOU were born here!!! Go back under your rock!!
While you think you speak for "most Americans", the truth is the birther minority is a tiny portion of the public, sucked into this bizarre attack by Obama haters. Those people have decided that their minds are made up, so don't confuse them with facts. You are easily misled and I have some Florida swampland I would like to sell you. If you buy it Democrats will lose the election.
You're not fit to clean shoes, let alone voting. It's backward idiots like you that have dragged this country into the gutter.
Sometimes, I wonder... I just wonder how gullible people are! There is a saying that "people pass through school, but some people allow the school to pass through them" I am sure you are one of the people that passed through school without allowing the school to pass through them. If you do not understand this saying, I can understand where you are coming from! lol...
It's not "fear". It is a refusal to acknowledge the ridiculousness of the charge by giving you what you are asking for, when he has already complied with what is legally necessary to the extent that every other president before him has had to. Why should Obama have to show it when what he has already shown has been adequate for all those before him? What makes Obama different that he has to do this? Besides, if you really don't think Obama was born here, a original birth certificate is not going to change your mind. You'll just say it is a fake or another conspiracy theory will pile on. It is totally fruitless and he knows it. He has far better things to do with his time than waste it trying to "prove" himself to the unconvincable.
Jerry, why is it so hard to believe that Obama is a U.S. citizen? Oh I bet it's because you can't believe that someone who is not White can be intelligent. As for most American's doubting his citizenship, that is an outright lie.
well Jerry, how do you explain that President Obama's birth certificate has already been verified by multiple entities? You can choose to believe whatever you want, but you can't change the facts. President Obama has no obligation to personally show YOU his certificate of birth.
We understand, your just another B&W person.
Jerry in Florida, did you ask Bush 41 and 43 for their Birth certificates? And, how do you explain the announcements in the local newspapers..You seem to write well but your brain may be soft.... It is people like you that give our beloved USA a bad name...
wouldn't you know. Florida
There are not serious doubts in MOST people's minds. All surveys say that the vast majority of citizens consider this a non-issue. Even O'Reilly and Hannity think the Birthers are nuts. Curious how presidential birth locations were never disbelieved before, eh?
How's it feel to be one of "those" people that we snicker about. Give reality a try!
So exactly what was wrong with THIS document, released back in 2008? http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
For what it is worth, I had a similar document I presented to my employer in order to work on government contracts that may be sensitive.. it was unacceptable and I had to produce what many call the long form that looks nothing like that.
The problem with that is that it was written in 2007, not 1961 .
THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE SAYS AFRICAN AMERICAN. BACK IN THE 60'S IT WAS NEGRO THAT WAS INDICATED AS RACE.
ONE MORE THING I AM NOW CONSIDERED HISPANIC, WHEN MY BIRTH CERTIFICATE SAYS THAT I'M WHITE. SO IN THE 60'S THEY USED WHTE AND NEGRO FOR RACE PERIOD...
You mean beyond the fact that it is a scan of some document which is of no value whatsoever since it is so easy to tamper with a scan? You mean beyond the fact that the document number was blanked out leading to the possibility that it was actually somebody else's document? You mean beyond the signs of obvious forgery found in that scanned document? How about the fact that it proves nothing since the birth could have occurred on Mars, been reported by the grandparents and would look exactly the same as one for a child born in one of the hospitals in Hawaii. How about the fact that dad was a Kenyan national and a British subject which gave Barry dual citizenship AND fails to meet the 'natural born citizen' clause?
i think what's wrong is it makes them look like bigoted morons, and the truth hurts sometimes.
There is NOTHING wrong with it, but no matter what anyone tells these morons, it won't matter. This has absolutely nothing to do with where the president was born, but more with the color of his skin. Pure and Simple.
Aren't you asking the wrong person that question? Shouldn't you be asking Abercrombie what was wrong with it? Obviously, he along with the birthers think something was wrong with it. I thought the birthers were a bunch of loons until the new Hawaiian Governor came out as a birther too....then I decided there must be something to it if the COLB isn't good enough for a Democrat Senator!
Agreed!! why do these morons keep blathering on about this when he has produced what they asked for a long time ago.
First off, Factcheck.org is nothing more than a liberal operation with a phony name. They have been proven wrong too many times to have any validity (except to their brother liberals).
The truth is, Obama's transcripts are released. He claimed non-resident status. Now you have the facts. It will be in the courts soon enough so obviously, a liberal Hawaiian would do anything to attempt to suppress the facts.
Jon, there is NOTHING wrong with the birth certificate as shown on Factcheck.org. Factcheck has researched this thoroughly and concluded that Obama is American. But the birthers will just deny anything that is contrary to what they want the facts to be. Yes, its crazy and frightening that these people are so ignorant. But even after all these years, there are still people who deny the Holocaust, despite all the evidence. I put the birthers in the same camp as the Holocause-deniers.
This document is an attested document. It's not an official copy of the original, which it would have to be to end this debate once and for all. Obama's official academic records have also not been released. Frankly, in a democracy such as ours, it should be mandatory for all candidates in public office to have to sign a release of their birth certificate and academic records and financial records so they can be fully vetted by the media. There has to be reason the president won't release his birth records or his academic records. One possibility is that they're in conflict with one another. As long as they're both shielded, we'll never know. Whatever you think about Sarah Palin and John McCain and George W. Bush, they all released their birth and academic records to public scrutiny, whereas the president did not. The media needs to ask him why he won't authorize that release, certainly if he seeks re-elections. In fact, it should mandatory if he intends to run again in 2012.
Jon, I am sure you probably already realize this, but Obama's birth certificate has been presented to these idiots before.That is irelevant. They are dedicated to perpetuating their sacred lie They refuse to ackowledge it because Glen said that are not allowed to.
This country no longer belong to the poor White people who came over here and stole this country from Indians and Mexicans. So, now we have a half White, half Black man who looks Black that is our president and he's doing good job considering he came behind a bumbling idiot who practically destroyed this country. This birth-er(word is not in the English language) group, a made up word and they are suppose to tell me a truth. Now, that's hilarious. These birth-er's are all from small little a** towns and everybody I mean everybody knows when you were born, time, date and where.
Why would there be birth announcements in the local papers in Hawaii if he was not born there? Oh that's right, the local paper publishes the births of all Kenyan born children, thinking that they may one day become President of the United States. When you deny the obvious you come across as unintelligent.
Jerry NObrain what are you afraid of? Reality it appears.
Jerry, growing up in Florida i can only assume that you are from parts of Florida outside the normal areas like Fort Lauderdale or Miami. I would say please stay in the backwoods part with the rest of the confederate flag waiving, mullet headed people close to Orlando. It confuses the rest of the normal people in the US in thinking we are all country bumkins
Here's a hint: If you insist on referring to the duly-elected President as NObama, you're obviously almost irretrievably partisan and your complaints cannot be taken seriously.
Dellusional idiot. If the FBI and CIA couldn't dig anything up – what makes you think a bimbo (immigrant) from California can get that scoop. What happened to King George the Lessor's military records?
I have proposed that Abercrombie change the Hawaii state laws to allow Obama's birth certificate be released to birthers requesting it for a fair fee which would help improve the Hawaii state budget. I'm thinking #10,000 per request charged to the requester's credit card. That seems adequate to me. What do you think?
I feel ashamed that I have the same name as you, I don't like it when other Jerry's are this stupid, its been proven already, but i guess you dont want to see the actual evidence, because then it makes you look foolish to believe such idiocy, get over it, he was born here, he is an american, you are the one that is not american, you should be shipped to iran or something, you would be right at home there loser
>>>"Because of this there are serious doubts (and rightfully so) in MOST American's minds"
I don't don't think so Jerry. "MOST" Americans don't have any doubts. This is silly stuff. They could produce the actual birth certificate and the doctor and nurses present at his birth and you still wouldn't believe it. You don't speak for MOST Americans Jerry, thank goodness. Silly stuff.
The energy people like you have spent on tryying to disclaim this president is mind bogling to me. You claim he's a liar. Well, all politicians lie to get elected, but he's done nothing but bring respect and decency back to the oval office. Tell me, did you ever once complain about the lies from the Bush years that got us into this mess and has resulted in such loss of life and treasure? You've obviously bought into the LIES of Fox news. I think it's time for your meds.
He has a "Certificate of Live Birth" posted on the internet genius. That's the standard birth paperwork for the state of Hawaii which means that Obama has the exact same proof of birth status as EVERY OTHER PERSON who has been born in the state throughout history. Why is the standard for proof of birth ok for everyone in hawaii, but not Barack Obama? I'll tell you why...the same "conspiratorial conservative, prejdice BS" that infects our discourse and our society...
Not in my mind Jerry and none in any of the people I know as friends , or coworkers. This seems to be a believe of people who believe FOX news is unbiased. And lovers of Sarah white trash Palin
It used to embarrass me that idiots like this were from Florida, but that was before the recent elections, where I learned my state is full of idiots...
I don't understand why there is such consternation over this. The birthers will never accept anything presented as evidence that Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii, thus the U.S. An agenda exist; we all know what it is and we know that it will not change. Let the birthers be themselves. There is no value in an effort to change their intent.
There is no "adequate" facts for a moron!
Jerry, in case you didn't know US geography, Hawaii is a US state. President Obama was born there and he has shown his birth certificate and guess what?! It was legit! Please stop the ignorance and learn all 50 states.
There are NO doubts at all in 99% of Americans. You are a wingnut–and the reason the Repubs are going to get smashed in 2012.
And where did you see the poll that states 99% think the COLB is a-okay?
Maybe you should write Abercromie and tell him to shut his trap since 99% of Americans disagree with him.
Guess again, in an CNN poll 25% of Americans question his birth place!
Which means 75% of people didn't question it!
Jerry, Florida You are an idiot and a racist. Never in my 65 years have I seen so much hate toward a president. Why don't you white people get a life and focus on what's important. It's evident that the majority of the people that voted for him believed that he was born in Hawaii. He is the president of the United States. I don't know why this governor even bother. You people will still not believe it.Just do like the white house, ignore you idiots. I didn't hear any discussions going on about John McCain's birth certificate.
The documentation is out there for all to see. It is too easy to believe otherwise.
I am so embarrassed for you since you don't have the good sense to be embarrassed for yourself. It HAS been proves, there IS a birth certificate, the appropriate people HAVE seen it. Just because you stomp your feet and cross your arms and stick out your lower lip and refuse to believe it doesn't make it not true. You and others of your il are an embarrassment to this nation.
The st. of Hawaii has produced it.
Anderson Cooper showed it on his program 360
Better yet, why don't YOU produce these same documents regarding yourself! Not so easy to do, is it? I'm a native-born American, born to two American citizens, on a U.S. Army Post in Georgia in the year 1950. My state-supplied certified copy of my birth certificate doesn't meet your qualifications. Duh. Does that mean I am not a citizen? Nope, it doesn't.
The question is not if he is just a citizen. Don't know why you had such a hard time. I ordered my long form on line from the state and had it in my hands in less than two weeks.
i think the president of the united states should be held to a higher standard then you or me
@Damien: Then you completely misunderstand the rationale behind our government and the way it works.
No citizen should be held to a higher or lower standard than any other citizen. When the time comes that one citizen is held to a different standard than others, then we have failed the founders and their experiment in democracy.
Pop quiz to all you birthers out there: I was born in Germany, in a military hospital. My parents are both natural-born Americans (Minnesota and Colorado, respectively); my dad was in the Army. My dad was second-generation American; my mom's ancestors were Native Americans.
What's my citizenship status?
@ThinkAgain – If you are born in a foreign country to parents who are both American, then by jus sanguinis you are an American citizen. It's interesting to note that two proposed constitutional amendments were recently introduced to relax the restrictions on who could hold the office of President. One by Representative Jonathan Bingham in 1974, to allow for Secretary of State Henry Kissinger to become eligible, and the Equal Opportunity to Govern Amendment by Senator Orrin Hatch in 2003, to allow eligibility for Governor of California Arnold Schwarzenegger. The Bingham amendment would have also made clear the eligibility of those born abroad to U.S. parents, while the Hatch one would have allowed those who have been naturalized citizens for twenty years to be eligible.
From Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_born_citizen_of_the_United_States
Amazing how the Republicans wanted so badly for Arnold to be eligible that they proposed to amend the Constitution, but they practically pee themselves making up stories to bolster their fanatical misbelief that Obama isn't legit.
I'm not a birther, but I guess I can try. Uhhmmm... You're a German? I'm assuming your country doesn't have a policy that grants dual citizenship.
I agree with you Damien that makes complete sense.....from now on when we issue birth certificates we should print on the back "If you lose this document you are no longer allowed to run for president" I mean what do state documents and birth records really mean anyway.
That people keep focusing on the birth certificate just shows how effective
propaganda is. Why don't we just focus on his mother and her whereabouts
at the time of his birth. Surely there are records indicating whether or not
she went to Kenya. Surely there are people in Hawaii who can vouch for
her being there at the time of his birth as there would be people in Kenya
who could vouch for her not being there at the time of his birth. The fact
that the propagandists have steered clear of this little item tells me they
don't want to lose their success in having people question where he
was born. I wonder how many other misleads are out there.
Transparency – as in, the light that shines through your ears? "There are none so blind as those who will not see". The facts do not matter to you – no matter how many times they are presented you will just wave them aside and find some rationalization as to why they aren't facts. However, it is obvious you are a bigot and are highly uneducated. Sad to see so many Americans that were failed by 'No Child Left Behind'...
Jerry, you are a half-wit. What makes you think you are more clever than the rest of us? Nothing will convince you, of this I am sure. And, unfortunately for you, neither the President or his supporters are afraid of anything you have to say! He/we just know that you birthers are a bunch of idiots that don't deserve anymore of his/our attention. Enough said? God, I hope so.
So list the lies he has told? You can't. Instead, start with the lies the Repubs have been telling for years and the BS lies that come out of Sarah Palin's mouth every time she speaks. Start with lies, distortions and misstatements from Tea Baggers, the dumbest people on the face of the Earth. So be very careful in bringing out the lying cards, they cut both ways.....
How hard do you have to work at being such a moron?
Why are the Obama loyalists so afraid of the question? All that is required is the "long form birth certificate" which includes the name of the attending physician that delivered Obama and the location of the birth, i.e., the hospital. Why did Pelosi word the certification of the candidate (Obama) differently in different states? Why has Obama hidden every shred of his information and paid MILLIONS of dollars to attorneys in order to challenge any court proceeding seeking to get to the real truth and forcing the disclosure of the long form birth certificate? Why did the man overseeing the birth records in Hawaii state unequivocally, that there IS NO LONG FORM birth certificate in Hawaii records for Obama? Why did his paternal grandmother in Kenya state unequivocally that she was PRESENT(meaning SHE WAS THERE) at Obama's birth in MOMBASA? She was silenced after that statement!! Why has no one in Hawaii come forward with information such as attending nurses, pediatricians, etc.? Why has Mr. Obama continued to lie about not only his birth place, but also about his policies? It has been proven and is public knowlede that he has used multiple Social Security numbers. If a person lies about one thing, they are not above lying about ANYTHING else. I am not saying anything more than what has already been in the news. All this is common knowledge. When I comment I am almost always under moderation. Let's see if this is published.
Time and time again, proof that Obama was born in Hawaii. The bithers are either too stupid or too hateful to believe what's right in front of their eyes. I'm very tired of their idiocy. Some of these complete idiots are actually "leaders" in our government.....yikes!
Jerry...i realize you are probably old...you are most likely not a college graduate...and you are from some redneck town in Florida...but whar you are writing is embarrasing. Be a F/n man at least and admit it has nothing to do with where he was born...
I think you were born on the Moon.....because you sure are looney(luna)!!!
I think you were born on the Moon(luna).....because you sure are looney!!
BIRTHER ALERT! BIRTHER ALERT! Everyone don your tin foil hats so we can blend in!
I'm beyond being angry or insulted or astonished at these people who just keep hanging on to this "birther" theory. At this point, I'm really scared that they walk among us without caretakers or keepers to keep them from stepping in front of a bus.
...atleast you call him president. Good for you. you sir, can be redeemed from the jaws of fox. I get mesmerized sometimes too when I watch professor Beck's lectures and the video wizardry of fine boy Hannity. Hang in there. help is on the way.
President Obama has supplied the necessary, legal form that shows he's a natural-born American; why should he jump through hoops to try to satisfy a bunch of people who so obviously won't ever believe any "evidence" produced? You'll all just say that it's a forgery or that it's this huge conspiracy, etc., etc., etc.
If you haven't noticed, the President has more important things to do with his time than to try to placate a bunch of whackos!
Exactly! No matter WHAT he produces, they won't accept it. Why bother?
What evidence has he supplied !?!? No Birth certificate, the fake on fact check is a joke!! He has not provide any school records except from indonesia. No Havard Law School records or writings. A fake Selective Service registration, a Social Security number issued in the state of Conn. He has not explained why his law license was REVOKED in Chicago. This mans father was born a British citizen cannot be an NBC, he could have been born on the White House Lawn and still not be a NBC. When are you people going to get it this man is an unsurper this will not go away until he's gone from White House!!!
Jerry, just shut the f up and let the adults take over, you moron.
No one is afraid and "most americans" don't have serious doubts.
I can believe that Obama was born in Hawaii. The issue is really when he moved to Indonesia with his mother and married Sotaro. By moving there – she relinquished her US Citizenship and that of her child (Obama / Barry Jr.).
This is why and how Obama / Barry was able to received financial aid going through college at Occidental -aid made only available to students whom are foreign. Not US Citizens. This is why close to 7 million dollars was spent on covering up his college information.
Using 3rd grade names to describe our CIC is yet another example of the lack of maturity and intelligence in the birthers.
I did this to make it easy for you to ridicule them.
Jerry from Florida – Do you honestly think that there is some vast conspiracy going on that is preventing everyone from discovering exactly where President Obama was born? Where did you get this information that Obama immediately sealed any records that could reveal his birth place? Would that even be allowed? Haven't two court cases already been dismissed? Do you think the Congress of this Country, The Supreme Court, his Democrat opponents in the Presidential Primary, his Republican opponent in the Presidential Election, all intelligence agencies in this country, the FBI, the NSA, the CIA, etc., none of these agencies or people would have found out by now that Obama was not born in Hawaii, but outside this Country? Do you think his mother conspired 49 years ago to fake a birth certificate because she just KNEW her bi-racial son would some day run for President (and get elected) so she better fake a birth certificate??? You conspiracy theorists are so insane, there is no other way to put it. Either you are insane or totally stupid. Take your pick!
Pretty incredible for a mass of people holding on to hopes of a "wild card." What the heck- some believe
that UFO's landed in their back yards and raided their fridge.
To the birthers of the world no amount of evidence will ever be enough. They aren't the kind of folks that will let facts stand in the way of what they want to believe. If the birth certificate is released their will be talk of a forged document or some other conspiracy ..... face it, they just can't stand the fact that a black man was elected to the presidency. Kinda funny really.
"Conspiratorial theorists are never going to be satisfied."
He's right. Right or Left, Americans love their conspiracies; The man on the grassy knoll, Freemasons, Illuminati, Michael Jordan's "ban" for gambling, 9/11 inside job, etc.. Shame is this junk takes the focus away from real issues.
I've already made up my mind about Obama. Don't try to confuse me with the facts.
Oh, Tam, there's lots of other stuff:
Global warming is a hoax
God created fossils and buried them in the earth for people to find
The moon walks were faked and filmed in studios on earth
Lee Harvey Oswald was framed in a conspiracy
The U.S. government helped plot 9/11
The U.S. government was beyond the Oklahoma City bombing
Masons are an evil cabal
Tax cuts cause tax revenue to rise
The health care plan included death panels so the government would get to decide who lives and who dies
There's a goblin under your bed, waiting for you to fall asleep ...
... "behind" the Oklahoma City bombing ...
LOL- so true. But, while I'm no conspiracy nut, even the most cursory review of what we know of Kennedy's assasination and 9-11 should at least raise some questions, so those ought not to be on your list of ignorant stupidity. The "magic bullet" theory is just asinine and would never have been believed in today's society... but if it wasn't a single bullet, then it had to be more than one shooter and thus, by definition, a conspiracy. As for 9-11, read up on WTC No. 7. Controlled demolition. But, I digress. Personally, I think a fat old man rides a flying sleigh and jumps down chimineys. So, hey, death panels are believable.... ;-)
I never heard the fossils one. That one is priceless!
And you are an intelligent homo erectus.
hahahahahaha... that was great. thanks for the laugh.
You don't undoubtedly keep up with the news. It was just confirmed this weekend that the Death Panels and counseling are in the program. When you reach a certain age you must be counseled on what you health options will be. If on Medicare then they will judge as to how much they will spend on that person. So get real you people are not backing Jesus. He is a plain lying hyprocrite. You cussing Palin was totally uncalled for and only showed what complete idiots you really are. Racism does lie with the white man. I have never seen such hatred in all my 72 years of age that is coming from the blacks these days. YOU WILL REAP WHAT YOU SEW SO BE CAREFUL.
How dare you call Jesus a hypocrite, he was a Jew.
Why don't you just stick with "counseling"? Because that's what it is – end-of-life counseling. Also, it's "reap what you *sow*."
Confirmed by who? Palin? Beck? The only "counseling" that is in the bill is for end of life options. We already have "death panels" and they are called insurance companies. Everything else you talk about is right wing hysteria that is targeting senior citizens, and it your case it appears it has been successful. Try informing yourself, it's not too late.
End of Life Counseling is a Republican idea from the Bush administration, nothing new at all.
The proposal is for Medicare to pay for end of life counseling. It is not required. The counseling can include how to request a directive that every procedure for keeping a person alive is used.
TOTAL FACTS- If you actually read the health care plan which you obviously have not, it’s a discussion about what kind of care you want (something you should do with your doctor). So if you want to be taken off life support if put on it, you will. If you want every possible option taken to prolong your life, that’s what will happen. Its called a living will and the government decides nothing. You make all the decisions, not the hospital, doctors or insurance companies like how it’s done now. Prove me wrong nut jobs. Please, please, pleas show we word for word quotes from the actual bill that shows the government decides if you live or die….
Isn't the Governor of Arizona personally leading a Death Panel of her own? She doesn't need ObamaCare – she's already killing off her seniors and illegals, because she believes in States Rights.
NO it's not MUST be counselled. It's MAY be counselled if YOU REQUEST such services.
In case you do not understand the meaning of MUST and May, MUST means you are REQUIRED to do this; MAY means YOU HAVE the CHOICE of doing this. The health care law requires insurance companies to pay for the counselling services if you request them; otherwise, under current law if you wanted such services, you would have to pay for them out of your pocket.
I remember in 1985 when my mother was dying of lung cancer, these services were only free because they were provided by volunteers, not by professionals. If we had requested professional advice, there would have been charges.
72 years old and still an ignorant, illiterate (BTW, that means you don't comprehend letters and words) moron.....no big surprise..
Yeah, I'd much rather be subject to the death panels that operate with impunity behind the closed boar room doors of the HMOs. you think they haven't been deciding who lives and dies based on their bottom line for decades? Maybe you better look a little more closely at the benefits section of your health insurance policy.
Oh, wait – you're already on Medicare? So how is it you want government to take their hands off your health coverage? Honestly, some people are so clueless.
No, what it says is that when you reach a certain age, counseling sessions with your Doctor (not a "panel") and family will be paid for by Medicare. They are not mandatory, but if you and your family want them, they will be covered. These sessions are intended to let people know what all of their health care options are regarding end-of-life care, not to force them to choose one, nor does it limit how much money will be spent to keep said person alive. Its to make sure people are aware of things like hospice care, and to let them talk to their doctor about living wills, power of attorney, etc.
yes, you will reap what you sow.....There is a end of life service that will be available thru medicare but it is a good thing to have available to you. No one will be forced to do anything..... If that service had been available for Terri Schaivo maybe the government via President Bush would not have had to get involved with she and her husband personal end of life choice.
Every intelligent country provides end of life counseling. It is a way to discuss end of life scenarios with loved ones so everyone is on the same page. It is not a death panel and you are a complete moron.
Wrong again, it only says that a doctor can be paid for the time spent with the patient.
I assume that was "confirmed" by Fox news... It just isn't true. There will be no panels of doctors or health care execs deciding who lives and who dies. It only pays for you to see your doctor to talk about end-of-life issues. If people insist on believing the nonsense spouted by Sarah Palin, well, that says a lot about you, and it isn't good...
"must be counseled on what you health options will be" ism ANOTHER LIE. The law says that on Midicare you are entitled to a wellness exam (usually called an "annual checkup," that Medicare previously didn't cover) and the MD is permitted to tell you that an Advance Health Care Directive–which millions of sensible Americans alrready have created–can be done, if you want it, to clarify who can make health care decisions if you are in a coma (for example) as well as specifying, if you wish, what kinds of life-ecxtending interventions you want or don't want. It's too late for you tob do it, as you are already in a coma and mentally incapacitated.
And Palin don't know $hit except for her T&A show.
So, the FDA taking the breast cancer medication off the market when it was proven to work in a majority of cases is NOT someone else deciding for you? Do you realize women will now have to go to another country to obtain the drug that might help them beat their Cancer.....and you don't think there are Death Panels? Of course, Obama and his cronies are not going to call them Death Panels......the reduction in medical care will come from the FDA and other obscure panels that deem certain tests and medications as inappropriate or ineffective.
I don't know about you, but I think I'd like to make those decisions for myself. I thought we lived in a free country where we were free to choose what we did and didn't want for ourselves. The more Obama wants to expand government and keep the poor and lower classes dependent upon government money, the more it is becoming apparent that America is no longer a free nation.
Total ahem facts: No, death panels are not in the HCR bill. What was there, but taken out, was voluntary end-of-life counseling. This would have allowed us to decide what we are willing to undergo medically as we are dying. It is a very humane thing. This gives you voice to stop the medical assault at the end of your life. You can alternately choose to allow the assault. It's letting you decide. And, guess what, this is already being done. The difference with having it pass with medicare is that it then allows doctors to get paid to meet with patients who want to have this talk instead of doctors having to give up time for free to do this. By the way, have you heard of "hospice?" What do you think that is???
Troll for sure. Can't get his "facts" any more correct than his spelling.
72 years, eh.
Then that explains it – senility.
yeah you and John McCain, what two bumbling morons
Larry, you are correct in saying there will be no doctors or healthcare execs on panels deciding who lives and who dies. Those decisions will be in the hands of the HHS government employees and it will not be exactly who lives and who dies, it is more lile who gets treated and who does not. Different way of saying the same thing. Learn how to think; Death Panels is a euphuism for this process.
I have a friend who is on Medicare and SS. He has major health problems due to cancer treatments (radiation) when he was 21 (he is now 55). He has to regularly go in for medical reviews where they determine if he is eligible for a procedure or not. THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR AT LEAST 10 YEARS for him, and I expect this is just standard operating procedure. They have to determine what the likelihood of success is, what the possible dangers are for him, and decide if they will perform it. The FDA actually has say so in whether the procedure is performed – the less likely the success, the less likely they will approve. They don't want 'risky' procedures to look even more risky by having people die as a result. So they DENY the procedure, and when the person dies 'naturally' they don't count it against the procedure. THIS HAS BEEN HAPPENING FOR YEARS. So, Mr. TOTALFACTS, you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about, and neither do the so-called journalists who don't research anything anymore – just try to get viewers riled up so they'll keep watching.
Ok, once more. Counseling is done for patients who have illness that are not responding to treatment. The only thing the health care bill does is pay doctors for their time doing this. This will in fact help quality of life for people, since they will not be pushed into getting more treatment that isn't working. Can they ask for and receive treatment even if the doctor doesn't think is will help, yes-because that is still part of Medicare services. Please read up on this, there will not be "death panels" there will be thoughful discussions about quality of life over quanity.
Getting counseled for your final options is not a death panel. Oh my god! When will this nightmare end? Are people really so stupid that they believe receiving counseling about a living will and final options is a death panel? Get a grip! It's something everyone will eventually have to face. All we're doing it financing the counseling. This is not rationed health care.
If you have not seen as much racism in 72 years as you have seen from blacks then you must have been living in a long forgotten hidden confederate commune somewhere. Please do us all a favor and leave the computer alone and go spend some time with your mothersisterwife. Well maybe that could be the reason you speak so much ignorance.
Jon, Larry and Hillcrester are concentrating on only one thing and that is the 'counseling' end of it. The "Death Panels" issue is that there will be a bureaucrat deciding if you are worth spending money on for the necessary treatment. If you are of a certain age or your prognosis does not fit their agenda, you WILL NOT BE TREATED. It's plain and simple. You will be left to die from whatever you need the treatment for rather than be accorded the care in order to survive. It is ludicrous to use numbers to decide these life issues. And I deeply resent the fact that some elite far removed from the medical profession that spends his time crunching numbers will decide if I'm not worth the expense of the necessary care.
sow, not SEW... Just saying.
Total facts is totally wrong. All it meant was your Dr. can get reimbursed for the end of life consult after his patient reached a certain age. You are just another misinformed internet idiot. You have no clue what you are talking about.
Dear, putting this in the gentlest possible manner, you've been lied to by prominent Obama-hating Republicans and Fox News (for whom most of them work). There is no provision for any kind of panel, the law allows for Medicare to pay for OPTIONAL counseling if you want it. The only thing mandatory is that Medicare has to pay for it if you DECIDE to have it. And if you FEEL YOU'D LIKE TO take advantage of this service your counseling will include the possibility that if you wish you can be kept alive by every means available to science no matter what your eventual quality of life is. It's YOUR CALL, and strictly between you and your doctor, no government bureaucrats involved beyond cutting the check to your doctor. Please Google "medicare end of life counseling mandatory?" before you propagate this angry, divisive lie any further.
Dear Total Facts: don't you mean "sow" rather than "sew?" Or do you get out your sewing kit when it's time to plow the north forty?
Use spell check people.
The death panel you are referring to is happening in ARIZONA. But if you wanna talk about the death panel brought to you by FOX and Sarah, its called Advanced Directives. I'm not gonna sit here and teach you what that means. You can look it up yourself since you have the puter. Blacks...they are always reaping what they sowed and sometimes don't reap what they sowed. At 70, you should know what I mean.
You need to work on your sentence structure. I think you just called Jesus a "plain lying hypocrite." After THAT, I'm not going to pay attention to anything you say. Well – I wsn't going to to that anyway .....
Heh Heh... what a nit wit (total "facts") is.
(quote) YOU WILL REAP WHAT YOU SEW SO BE CAREFUL. (end quote)
May God have mercy on your soul.
No one has to do the end of life counseling unless they want to. This was in the health care bill so the elderly would not have to pay for a Dr appt. that was not covered under medicare. All responsible people should do this, so when their family member is on their death bed they do not have to worry whether they made the right choice. Insurance Companies are have always been the "death panels" and anyone who believes anything that comes out of Sarah Palin's mouth is a "total moron". You know nothing of facts.........you need to change your screen name asap.
Flouridation is a Communist plot.
At least you nailed two – the current arctic blast of "global warming" and the death panels which are now being formed – which is about par for your level of intelligence.
oops, AND the tax issue. If Obama has a chance to win ini 2012 it is because the Reps will save his hide by turning around the economy with tax cuts and other responsible measures, which Obama will then take credit for...
Obama's been cutting taxes since he took office. Over $250B of the "spending" in the Stimulus bill was tax cuts. And there have been even more business tax cuts since then. And the Payroll tax cut for 2011 came from Obama, not Republicans.
ohhh nooo –the death panels, the death panels are coming. ...
Grow a brain.
hey gozie, are you for real? the GOP saved the economy from tax cuts? wow, you are the reason the US gets laughed at abroad, they make fun of americans like you, not a clue in the world, yeah, keep believing the GOP saved this country, you freaking dipshit
You have to love the people that try to discredit global wrming in the winter when it's cold. Do you realize that global warming is a 3-4 degree increase on the average GLOBAL temp. Which is not very recognizable to humans. So just because it's cold in the winter dosen't mean GW is not happening. You are just making yourself look dumb by commenting on this issue.
@D-Nice – well, that, and the point of global warming isn't necessarily that the weather is going to get warmer. Remember, heat is kinetic energy; because the Earth is retaining more heat, there's more energy in the system. So storms get more severe, winters get colder, and so on. That's why people tend to call it "climate change" more often these days. It's more accurate.
Silly trolls. Global warming is a fact, backed up by tens of thousands of data points worldwide. There might be some questions about how much man-made pollution, etc. is effecting it, but the overall historical trend is based on really really hard data. Only ignorant American Baby-Boomers seem to disbelieve it now, probably because it means they have to face up to yet another way they have screwed up the world for their grandchildren. It is already effecting climate and weather patterns, but perhaps not the temperature outside your kitchen window just yet... so since you can't see it, it must not be real huh? Kinda like harm from smoking cigarettes. Die off already, won't ya? We've got a big mess to fix and you are getting in the way.
just reinforcing previous comments.... as in:
Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen.
Common sense is what tells you the world is flat
H. Lee Kagan
and what was that other one?
remain silent and be considered a fool - or speak, and remove all doubt....
And you know that this fluctuation in temperatures is abnormal how? Because you were around centuries ago, before man started recording temperatures? Yes, weather and temperatures are changing, but that doesn't make it abnormal or man induced.
What arrogance to think that man can have such an effect on Mother Earth.
'That's why people tend to call it "climate change" more often these days. It's more accurate.'
Yeah, they first started calling it climate change over 10 years ago as they recognised that people just heard global warming and assumed it simply meant everywhere would just get warmer, which is not what it suggests.
' If Obama has a chance to win ini 2012 it is because the Reps will save his hide by turning around the economy with tax cuts and other responsible measures, which Obama will then take credit for...'
Except all the experts have said we have gone through the recession and are currently climbing up the other side but its ok, the repubs will claim credit for it now.
It is NOT death panels. It is that Medicare will pay the doctor if you have that conversation with them. Under the law, there are things that get paid for – everything else is not paid for. Wouldn't you want your doctor to get paid if she took the time to explain what your end of life choices are, and helped you fill out an Advanced Directives form? And wouldn't your family be more at ease if they knew you wanted everything possibly done to prolong your life, if that was your wish?
Just beyond ignorant. Comments like this aren't even worth replying to, but I just couldn't help myself. It is hard to believe that there are actually people this stupid who can figure out how to work a computer. Then again, Sarah Palin has a Twitter account, so go figure.
Where are these "death panels" being formed? You make the most outlandish claims without any evidence to back them up (and "I heard it on Fox" does NOT count as evidence)!
Rick52, you just stated the core beliefs of the right wing nut jobs! Don't forget that the federal government WILL take away their guns under the Obama administration. You can't fix stupid!
oh, don't forget santa, the tooth fairy, easter bunny and there's a cure for cancer!
You forgot...FAUX NEWS is 'fair and balanced'... Sarah is brilliant...
its the mainstream media's fault....God loves you, but condemns you to Hell(except for Hitler, who probably asked for forgiveness before pulling the trigger).....the light from the stars was made along with the stars just so we could see them(instead of just making them closer)...women and other races are inferior to white christian men....the list DOES go on and on....
You left out that the Earth is flat. It is - just look with your own eyes if you don't believe me! I don't know about you but my own eyes are all I need and I don't need some elitist egghead to tell me what's true and what isn't! It's all a matrix hoax to keep us all under the mind-control of the evil Vegans!
I agree with all but the part about the JFK assasination. I am from Texas and I remember the day of the assasination. There was a deathbed confession about four years ago by one of the men involved with Watergate. Pardon me but I need to look that up or I would give you the name. The story is on the internet.
Rick 52 please look up E. Howard Hunt. Died in 2007. The first name on his list was LBJ.
I don't think that anyone can show their actual original birth certificate. It is this document that is usually on file with county records. When you request a birth certificate, it is a copy that you receive with a seal showing that it came from the county. Every birth certificate that I have for myself, husband, and each of my children says on it that it is a true copy of the original filed with the county records and has a county seal on it. If you were given the original then there would be no true document from which further copies could be made. The people who are doing this are politically motivated and incredibly stupid. I would challenge any of them to show us their original birth certificate.
Its just yet another variation of the ever whining and complaining people known as Teabaggers. I am glad that the govenor is doing this but of course when does any truth or goodness ever shut a group of old whiners up. good Luck gov..
Jerry in Florida, so how do you explain the two birth announcements in Hawaii newspapers?
People who live other places, but have family or friends in our town, post birth announcements in our local paper all the time. It's an announcement, not a legal notice!
The answer is obvious – some left wing fanatic used his time machine and traveled back to 1961 to plant the articles in the newspaper! :) Sadly, there are some out there that would probably buy this explanation!
These idiots have an answer for everything, each one more convoluted than the next. I'm sure Jerry has a doozy for this one.
Rick he is just simply ignoring them just like the other idiots.
Thank you, rick52. Most people ignore this. A good trial lawyer knows that circumstantial evidence is often the best and most persuasive evidence, far better and much more reliable than direct evidence. We have two independent, contemporaneous Hawai'i newspapers that attest to the president's birth in Honolulu. What part of this don't the birthers understand?
The two newspaper announcements are far easier to explain – they simply used the Area 51 starship in time-travel-mode (it's a well known side effect of the alien superliminal stardrive) to go back and place the ads, anonymously I'm sure. That's how they provide a solid cover story for their Manchurian Candidate, Barak Obama. It's funny how many silly racists think he has some kind of 'muslim' sounding name when anyone with access to the right knowledge can see that it's a common Rigelian name.
What part of this don't the birthers understand?
The part where common sense eclipses a deeply wished-to-be-true belief.
There are people who simply cannot accept the fact that Obama won the 2008 election fair-and-square and will clutch at any thread that will support the idea that his presidency is somehow illegitimate.
There is no hope for most of these folk - they are so wedded to these beliefs that if the Lord Christ descended from the heavens and declared that, yes, Obama is an American, I believe most birthers would declare Jesus to be ye veriest lyar and a liberal tool.
Let these fools continue to make loud and obvious fools of themselve IMHO.
Ummm... yes, I was being sarcastic. This is SUCH a non-issue I can't believe I'm even wasting time writing about it. Everyone who is spending time here; go spend time doing something that actually, tangibly helps someone less fortunate than yourselves. Volunteer to teach someone to read, serve food at a shelter, donate something etc. If nothing else, go read a book.
The part where his father was a British Citizen.
The part where Obama freely admits he was born with dual-citizenship.
The original BC will solve nothing....unless there is a US Citizen father listed there.
There is one question you never should be able to asking POTUS: To which citizenship do you pledge your allegiance?
If you can ask that question, the person isn't eligible to be POTUS, because there is no way they are NBC of either country to which they possess citizenship.
At that time anyone could go into the registrar's office to register a birth. The grandparents could have done it. That does not mean Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii, it just means he was registered there. The certificate of live birth was given to anyone that was registered no matter where they were born and that certificate is different from the long form certificate which includes the name of the attending physician and the hospital in which the child was born and usually a foot print of the baby. There also has been no one coming forward to testify they were the attending nurse or pediatrician. This is not an issue of respecting Mr. Obama's parents. It is an issue of his being legally eligible to be president of the United States, which has yet to be proven. He has spent several million dollars hiding his personal information and only someone with something to hide would go to that length and spend that much money to keep a deep dark secret. He also has been proven to be using a social security number to which he was not entitled because he never resided or worked in Connecticut. He has so many inconsistencies and downright illegal issues to his credit, it indicates an agenda to put him in place no matter what.
"A good trial lawyer knows that circumstantial evidence is often the best and most persuasive evidence, far better and much more reliable than direct evidence."
Please tell me you're joking.
Direct evidence (video footage, eye-witness identifications, confessions, etc.) gains reliability from itself: from the credibility of a witness to whether the evidence actually depicts the facts. Circumstantial evidence is never direct proof. It gains or loses reliability depending on how many inferences you have to make from the evidence itself.
Anyone can call in a birth/death/marriage notice to a newspaper. Pretending a birth notice is somehow more reliable, or amounts to better proof, than a birth certificate is laughably stupid. You don't have to be a liberal or a conservative to understand that. Unless, of course, you're so dogmatic in your beliefs that any evidence, no matter how poor, will stand as proof of any fact to you.
newspaper ads or annoucements are not acceptable as proof of U.S. birth.
Ah ha!!! Of course it was all part of a diabolical plot from the moment he was born! This takeover has been planned for 48 yrs and nis now comming to fruition! Those commies terroists don't miss a single detail do they! OMGoodness!!!
Obama is an ALIEN and he traveled back in time and placed them there! Yeah, that's it! Why do people think we're crazy? hehehe
Plus, the new governor of Hawaii personally knew President Obama's parents and will testify under oath to that effect, if called to do so. And I'm sure there are plenty of other people who could do the same. Birthers just don't like a Black man in the White House ...
Have you considered the fact that newspapers routinely mine information from hospitals and government offices re. births, deaths, real property sales, etc. for publication? Have you considered the possibility (probability?) that the grandparents sent notices to the newspapers to bolster their birth registration to ensure that their daughter's half black, Kenyan born child would be listed as an American citizen? It doesn't matter anyway since Barry's father was a Kenyan national and a British subject making Barry ineligible to be the POTUS.
All the birth announcements say is a baby 'boy' was born. No name. Besides one does not have to be born in Hawaii to have a birth announcement their local papers.
It's obvious... The new world order was plotting this already in 1961 and planted the items so it's hand picked, biologically altered superpresident would have the provenance he needed.
His parents obviously planted those two false newspaper stories, so that forty years later their son would be able to be elected president and fulfill their evil plan to make health care in the United States a right rather than a privilege.
Notice how there are no replies to your comment.
Duh, dotchano Jerry can't read?
Anyone can call in a birth/death/marriage notice to a newspaper. Pretending a birth notice is somehow more reliable, or amounts to better proof, than a birth certificate is laughably stupid. You don't have to be a liberal or a conservative to understand that.
Unless, of course, you're so dogmatic in your beliefs that any evidence, no matter how poor, will stand as proof of any fact to you.
Doesn't matter where obama was born , fact is ,He is a huge failure.
I believe that the earth is flat and that the landing on the moon is a Hollywood episode. Go ahead and convince me! Yea right! By definition you can not convince a conspiracy theorist. Human beings think, Conservatives rationalize. The two are not the same. Rationalization is a mental gymnastics to convince yourself that what you have an interest to believe is justified. Critical thinking is open to persuasion. Open conservative is a contradiction in terms!
Birthers are nothing but ignorant, uneducated Republican racists who cannot accept we have a brilliant black President full of character, integrity, honor, and a true love for America and ALL its people.....something these birthers will never have or achieve. Too bad these idiots can't see what liars and traitors Republicans are. According to their Senate leader, Mitch McConnell, there is nothing Republicans want to accomplish other than have President Obama fail. That is treason for if our President fails, then so does our country. Republicans have already destroyed our economy once under Bush, sent us into a complete lie of a war in Iraq that killed thousands of our soldiers so Cheney could try to steal Iraq's oil for his company Haliburton, lied to Congress, lied to the American People, outted a CIA agent (which is treason) because her husband would not lie to support the Iraq lies and the characterless Republicans refused to hold them accountable for their many impeachable and illegal acts. They destroyed our economy and the current Republican leaders have NO plans for 2011. All they cared about was making sure the super rich, who need nothing, got tax cuts. They caused the current state of our economy but are ridiculously blaming the unemployed for being unemployed. They are calling them lazy and undeserving of any unemployment insurance. EVERY economist agrees the most stimuluative thing you can do for the economy is through unemployment insurance, food stamps, and creating jobs. Republicans are against the first two and have stated they care nothing about jobs or the ecoomy. According to these liars and traitors, America has plenty of jobs, Americans are just too lazy to take them and want to live on that whole $200/week of unemployment insurance. How did these fools ever get elected to Congress? Oh that's right – by the birthers and the lunatic tea baggers. Lord help us.
Go ahead Gov., but you are wasting your time.
Birthers are not interested in the truth or reality and wouldn't recognize either if they were bitten on their ample asses. These clowns just want to get their names/pictures out in the media so they can pretend to be important. I'd suggest they try and read the Consitution all the way through, but the big words would just tax their intellect.
rick52...all of those were on point, except for "Lee Harvey Oswald was framed in a conspiracy." That is in fact the official position of the United States House Select Committee on Assassinations in 1976. There final report stated that there was likely a conspiracy, meaning that Oswald didn't act alone.
The certificate that Obama produced more than two years ago was fully compliant with the laws required to prove citizenship...yet the 'Birthers' ignore the laws and the Constitution.
I don't know why the Governor bothers. These 'birthers' don't have the brains God gave a retarded paramecium among them. They obviously cannot understand the Constitution of the United States, nor can they understand the laws passed pursuant to that Constitution. If they cannot understand the simple terms in the Constitution and laws....the Governor is not going to be able to do anything that would satisfy them. Let them continue with their heads in the mud!!!
It doesn't matter what the governor does, including inventing a time machine and going back in time to watch Obama being born, the birthers will deny that Obama is a US citizen.
Here is how we settle this. Gather 100 of the most prominent Birthers. Have them decide what they will accept as proof of the location of Obama's birth. (Will they be satisfied with the "original birth certificate"?) Doing this before the revelation is to prevent them from trying to argue that the evidence is insufficient. Then have the Birthers and their ilk collect $100. million. which, if Obama proves he was born in the US, will go to the Democratic National Committee. Obama will execute a resignation effective upon his not providing the agreed on evidence. Then, have the evidence released.
I could care less about where he was born, but a real birth certificate and open college transcripts might do a lot to settle this issue – bet you won't hold your breath until we see that! The real issue with me is his "LACK" of experience – of almost any kind. I was initially willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, but he has destroyed any chance for me to view him as a "leader" of anything! Juat because you can father a child doesn't make you qualified to be a parent – and just because money and influence can get you elected doesn't mean you are qualified to be a leader!
Just watch those birthers rant and scream when Pres.Obama gets re-elected for a second term in 2012 !!
Birthers are ignorant fools who will never admit they're wrong – so why bother, Abercrombie?
I hope the governor is successful also. However, I am a birther and some have a wrong view of what many of us stand for. Acceptance has nothing to do with the color of his skin. It has nothing to do with America as a melting pot (which actually stopped being a melting pot some time ago btw). It has everything to do with a document called the Constitution. It is very simple. He has to be a natural born citizen. Period. And quite frankly, most of this mess isn't even his fault. The states and federal government, in my opinion, have a responsibility to verify compliance before a person can have their filing papers approved.
I fully expect to see that he is a citizen, but it needs to be done with legally recognized documents reviewed by the proper people. The new Governor of Hawaii has it wrong when he says this is disrespectful. It is the respect we owe to the office of the President and integrity of the Constitutional process. Following this to a conclusion hurts nobody, disrespects nobody, and legitimizes Mr Obama's holding of the highest office in our Republic.
Even if the birthers tire of this pursuit, they'll find something else to prattle about. They were too enraged by the election of a black man to give up their attempts to remove him from office.
I love how the "Party of Personal Responsibility" refuses to own up to the blatant racism they spread through birtherism and things like the witch doctor "Obamacare" signs... Not that any of this should come as a surprise – these are the same people who created an imaginary political party (the "tea party") to keep from owning up to the failure and fiscal irresponsibility of Dubya and the GOP.
"'You're not going to convince those people because they have a political agenda or they have minds that go in that kind of direction,' he said."
So by his own admission he's fanning the flames, knowing full well that his efforts are ultimately pointless. However much he wants to claim that this about the "Aloha spirit" it's still a political issue. The onus isn't on him to stir the cauldron once again. Even if he does produce a birth certificate, what then? Some Birthers will be satisfied. Others will doubt the authenticity of the document. Some will question how this document wasn't found sooner and cast suspicion on its discovery. So long as there are people who will ceaselessly question Obama's birthplace (and, as above, there always will be), Abercrombie's supposed motivations are clearly not about this family spirit business.
Just think through it logically: if the Certificate of Live Birth is sufficient for him and all Hawaiians, why would he need to find further proof? If he truly believes that the certificate is legitimate proof then he must think the skeptics are off their rockers and nothing more. So this Aloha Spirit is about trying to outwit loonies? Nice try, Governor. Stick to actual worthwhile efforts to bring celebrity and attention to your office.
I understand Abercrombie wants to put this whole "birther" nonsense to rest, but he has to understand that nothing – NOTHING – he can possibly do will accomplish it. If Obama's original "long-form" birth certificate is released, the birthers will howl that it's a fake, and that even if it's real, it doesn't mean he's eligible as his father was not an American citizen. It's a lost cause; the birthers will simply never accept that a black man with a non-Anglo-Saxon name was legitimately elected president. Period. And any attempt to throw them a bone will only validate their craziness.
I could not quailfy my 10 year old son to play little league baseball with that document but we can let obama be president?
Wasting 1 moment thinking about President Obama's citizenship is a joke.
We're 100% sure that George W. Bush was born in AMERICA and look at all the wonderful things he's done for the people of the U.S.A. !!!!!!! ( NOT !!!!)
This issue is really a NON-issue. Any IDIOT who believes he wasn't born in the US is just that an idiot and there is no fixing stupid so we might as well not even try. No one was up in arms over John McCain's birth place and he WASN'T born in the country yet his citizenship isn't questioned...hmm that debate comes froma racist place and we should no longer dignify it with trying to produce evidence that won't change a racist person's mind. Call it what you want but to me its racism and to judge or dislike a person simply based on race is one of the most dispicable things a human being can do no matter WHAT race its directed at.
I wish Gov. Abercrombie all the best, but the birthers have enough lies to carry on no matter what he does.
Have you heard the one about how the President lost his U.S. citizenship when he was adopted in Indonesia? (There's no evidence that he was adopted, and he wouldn't have lost his citizenship anyway...)
Have you heard the one about how he can't be a Natural Born Citizen because his father was a Kenyan/British Citizen? (That's not what the law says, but...)
There are still people who believe the earth is flat. I don't think this one is ever going to disappear entirely.
They could have done that 4 years ago. What took them so long?
The Hawaii dept. of health released the Birth Certificate several times. The govenor's office is not required to do this. This governor has gotten "fed up" with all the BS so he's taking it upon himself to do it. If Obama were not born in the US why hasnt he been impeached?
I am so sick of this as an issue. First of all, evidence about where Obama was born has been out and VERIFIED since this became an issue during the election. Those who do not believe the credible evidence will not believe it because they do not want to. Plain and simple. Arguing that it is not available or that it is forged is not valid. But what also bothers me, is the hypocrisy of this. I think had McCain been elected, this would be not be an issue even though he was born in Panama and possibly not on a base as some conspiracist would argue...but I am convinced that these same birthers would argue that it was a mute point and let the President do his job and fix the economy.
Because no rational person actually believed that the "birthers" could be SO irrational. In a word the idea that people would actually believe this and make a cause celebre of it was simply ludicrous.
Maybe so, but the previous governor of Hawai'i was Linda Lingle, a Republican, who had no reason to end the controversy.
Actually, she was quite vocal against the birthers, and signed a law allowing the Hawaiian state government to ignore repeated requests on the matter.
Wonder just how much persuasion was needed to obtain her silence.
There is no "controversy." There are a bunch of very stupid people who will not believe the truth no matter what you present them with. His birth certificate isn't good enough for them. I mean, seriously, wtf is a person to do when he presents his birth certificate and people say it's fake? You can't convince them otherwise because they don't WANT to be convinced. It's ridiculous.
Jerry in Florida doesn't want the birth announcements to be explained, otherwise he has no "controversy" to rabble about. Some of the "birthers" I've spoken to have readily admitted that Obama was born in Hawaii, then proceeded to use that as evidence that he's a "foreigner" – they don't even realize that Hawaii is part of the US. It takes a small mind to get wrapped up in these conspiracy theories.
What va waste AS LONG AS THERE IS HATRED OF THE BLACKS THERE WILL BE BIRTERS
This is one of the uglier incidents in American politics. Obama has already provided a birth certificate, and the U.S. courts keep dismissing the claims of these birthers.
We took a giant step forward in the fight for equality by electing Barack Obama. It is unfortunate that there are these fringe elements, many who seem delusional, who cannot accept Obama's Presidency.
The racist wing of the GOP is alive and well.
It doesn't matter if they publish the certificate, the birthers will come up with some other excuse to invalidate Obama's presidency. Until Obama took office I didn't realize how racist this country really is. The right wingers are still pissed that they got their arses kicked in '08 and they just can't live with it.
Good for him. President Obama was born in the US. But even if the governor shows definitive proof, the birther's will not believe it because they are racist and idiots. They only want presidents who are White, Rich and bigoted.
Everybody knows that Obama was not born in the USA, but actually a robot assembled by homosexual, Bolshevik, Martian Muslims who was sent to earth to take over the United States in the name of Islam, Communism, Socialism and Marxism, while making Christmas illegal. Don't laugh. I'll be there are people who are nodding their empty heads right now saying "see, I told you!".
Any person born to an American mother is a citizen. Period.
What about army children born off base in Germany? Or the few children born on airliners? Or children born to foreign correspondents and students abroad? You don't have to be born on U. S. soil to be a citizen. One of your parents has to be a citizen.
I'm no fan of Obama whatsoever, but this birther thing is rediculous. Anything to put en end to it is most welcome.
Teh Governor of Hawaii doesn't sound too convincing. Why doesn't Osama Obama just stop all the crap and show his birth certificate? Until then, he's not my president. he'll just stay Osama Obama the moron illegally occupying the people's house. Screw the Hawaiian governor!
Jerry in Florida is one of those racist Palin supporters. He hates that a black man is his leader, thus questions if he is an American.
When the Govenor said, no, no, no meant a lot to me. Either they release a document that was notarized with bonifide signatures on them plus the Doctors signature and can quite obviousely not release another forgery then I will say he was born in Hawaii. When you're President you're not due the privacy that other people might seek. His paperwork must be above board and legal documents. Until they're shown he is a foreignor in all respects.
So remind me what the problem with this document is?
Does YOUR birth certificate look like that? Didn't think so. This form of reconstructed certificate was and is a common work around for people to come in and claim citizenry for their children through "birth", although the birth was actually a few weeks earlier. The announcement is also part of the scheme, which continues today. Why not the real deal? Why no footprint? You know why, but will never admit it.
@GozieBoy – I wasn't born in Hawaii. Also, my turn to ask you a question: if Obama wasn't born in Hawaii, where was he born?
Gozieboy – what backwater swamp were you born in? I find it difficult to believe Hospitals, Cities and States are so free wheeling with their birth certificates that they back date them and put whatever state they want on them. Unless they're writing them in crayon. What color did they use on yours?
The most obviously problem with that document is the father that is listed is NOT a US Citizen; therefore Obama (as he freely admits) was born with dual-citizenship, thus ineligible to be POTUS. That doesn't mean he can't be POTUS, just that he does not possess the qualifications set forth in the Constitution.
There is NO agency, committee, or department charged with checking and verifying the qualifications of Presidential candidates. Obama knew the rules and used them to his advantage. He has a history of doing so. That's how he won previous elections as well. He would find out issues associated with his opponents and get them thrown off the ballot. No one is accusing him of being stupid, just ineligible.
Another problem with the document is that it is abbreviated, and some people want to see the original long-form. It is available, but must be verbally requested. Don't believe Obama followers that tell you it doesn't exist. It exists and is exactly what Abercrombie is seeking to release. Only I'm guessing that he won't be successful as I don't think Obama wants it released.
Actually, Gozieboy, It does. so take that in your pipe and smoke it
@GozieBoy Birth certificates look different from state to state. I was adopted, my birth certificate doesn't have a footprint on it. Besides that it lists my adopted parents as my birth parents and time & place of birth were simply left blank. Honestly, mine does look fake, but that's what they did in my state with adoptions back then. Does that mean I wasn't born in the US? Nope.
'This form of reconstructed certificate was and is a common work around for people to come in and claim citizenry for their children through "birth", although the birth was actually a few weeks earlier.'
Really? A common work around to claim citizenship huh? lol and where did you hear that nonsense?
GozieBoy – yes, the birth certificate that I have looks very much like that. It is the *copy* that I was given when I went to the Hall of Records to get a copy of my birth certificate. It has an official stamp, and is notarized that says it has been verfified. I've never even been *offered* the so-called 'actual' birth certificate, and I have been to get copies several times. This leads me to believe that there is a LEGAL PROCESS involved in somehow getting access to an actual physical document that was created 50+ years ago and stored away somewhere, while a DIGITAL COPY is maintained in computers (you do know what computers are, right)? There is probably some expense associated with digging through old archived records, where MILLIONS and possibly TENS OF MILLIONS of documents are stored. Of course, as soon as someone does this, all you wackos will start wondering why the President is spending his time on this when there are so many other issues to resolve, and will ask why he is spending even more money. You are all bigoted, small-minded wackos that are easily led by the nose by those who have political agendas for personal gain. I am becoming very, very worried about the future of this country...
mine's a copy, too. it's what the state provides when the original is not available...
Factcheck is a part of the Annenberg Foundation out of Chicago which is a far left organization.
I was born in NYC in 1955. I sent away for a new Birth Certificate 5 or 6 years ago. It looks EXACTLY like that form. (With the obvious differences in information, of course. I'm sure if I didn't say that some birther would respond "EXACTLY like that?" You know their methodology.)
I was born in Hawaii and I have a Certificate of Live Birth for my birth certificate, I used that for my pass port and everything else that is needed for a birth certificate. Obama might actually have one or not, but the Hawaii Department of Health does not issue copies of birth certificates, just copies of "Certificate of Live Birth".
Mine certified copy does. Most legal "true copies" are now printed up on a standard computerized form that varies little from state to state. My original was a 5.5×8" miniature typewritten form that only listed my parents' names, my name, city/county/state of birth and has some raised seals. My reprint is laser-printed on an 8.5×11" sheet of paper, still with only the above information. No raised seal this time–instead it had a rubber stamp and a signature. Same with my kid's copies...
Guess what? Those standard copies were quite acceptable for our passports.
Only a _copy_ of a birth certificate is "notorized", so clearly you don't even know what criteria will satisfy you.
The notarized document is the same that is given to all Hawaiians.
What PROOF do you have he was NOT born in Hawaii?
wow, you could be the dumbest human being on this planet, my 7 year old kid could trash you in a debate, the worst part about people like you is that there is no hope for you, you can't be reasoned with, you can't fix stupid, you can hear all the facts and you would still come up with an idiotic response...i feel bad for your parents, they are probably so disappointed they raised such a tard for a child
The birth certificate is irrelevant. Where Barry was born does not matter since his father was not a U.S. citizen.
Funny...my birth certificate looks like that as well (albeit from a different state).
Also, my birth certificate wasn't notarized. Interesting that you would demand to see one that is.
I guess I'm not a citizen of this country, according to YOUR specifications.
GozieBoy, my birth certificate looks pretty damn close to that one, save for saying 'Florida' instead of Hawaii, and the vital stats being different. Same border, same layout, same raised seal – so yes, that is what a birth certificate looks like.
You have to be kidding right? Think about the agencies that the federal government employs for a minute. Do you think the CIA, FBI, Secret Service, NSA, DHS, and many many other national security agencies in the country would allow a foreign national to become President of the United States? Really? These agencies would have spun his head so fast had there been any doubt to the fact he was born in the U.S.
Just sit back and think of what a giant conspiracy theory you are perpetuating. For any of this to be true it would have to be a conspiracy reaching every level of government including the men and women tasked with protecting national security and republican congress members as well as the conservative leaning (when Obama was elected) SCOTUS. This whole birther nonsense is just a lack of common sense and understanding.
You think the federal and state agencies whose job it is to verify citizenship haven't done their due diligence? Do you think that if this were actually true, the Republicans wouldn't have done so in a court of law by now? Think of all of Obama's political enemies who want nothing more than to make him and our country fail ... Limbaugh ... Fox ... Murdoch ... the Koch brothers ... you think they don't have the financial means and lawyers to prove he wasn't born in Hawaii? If you can't accept that the President was born in the U.S. and has every right to be president, then there's no hope for your paranoid self.
Lord I hope someone as ignorant as him wasn't born in the U.S.
One could say the same about you.
@Total Facts: If we believe you are an American citizen, it is clear that someone far more ignorant was born in the U.S., you!
His mother is an American citizen. He is an American citizen no matter where he was born.
yeah certificate of live birth, newspaper articles, blah blah blah. i still want to see the long form birth certificate. why is that a problem? i was born in illinois, i can go get my long form if i want to. why cant barry soetoro? if i can get my long form birth certificate, i would think the president of the united states would have NO problem in getting his. that is all he has to do. get the long form. i cant find the doctors name who delivered him on the internet. the long form would tell me. what is the problem?
He is being kind saying that this ignorance is 'politically motivated'. It is racism, plain and simple.
So if you want to see someones birth certificate that makes you a racist now?? You lefties throw the "racist" word around so much now that it has lost its meaning. Anyone that dares challenge King Obama is a racist now, how dare anyone not like or approve of Obama! You liberals will goose step to anyone that opposes a republican or conservative and all the while you will point your finger at others while trying to appear as if your an open minded liberal thinking person...Can you say "hypocrite"? I knew ya could...
Mostly, I tend to see it as wish fulfillment. Obama doesn't seem to have any of the flaws or the dirt that Clinton did; the right wing is desperate to dig up whatever they can on him. Even if they have to make it up.
It's par for the course: When a Democrat wins, the election is decried as having been rigged and/or his term as somehow illegitimate (comments during the Clinton administration come to mind). However, when a Republican wins, it's the true and infallible will of the people being expressed, no matter how many shenanigans preceded the result (epitomized by the 2000 election).
they have PLENTY on their side of the aisle. why even bother?
Obama has no "flaws"? Are you serious?? He is as weak minded a president as they come. He is so afraid of losing a vote that he panders to anyone willing to listen. He made quite a few campaign promises that he has so far failed to live up to, seems pretty "flawed" to me.
I think you're onto something there, Jon. Seems to me that the American people aren't buying the nonsense the Republicans are trying to peddle, so they (the Republicans) have to go a different route: delegitimize the President.
It's sad, really – and to me, disrespectful.
Very true Jon and exceptionally well-stated. Thanks~
I think you hit the nail on the head! President Obama is a formidable opponent: Intelligent, patient, calm under stress, great family man, not a skirt-chaser, Constitutional scholar, has the American Middle Class's best interest at heart ... All the Republicans have are policies that are proven failures and that only benefit the rich – and a willingness to lie and spread fear, hatred and division, doing great harm to our country, in their attempt to regain power.
Playing off of people's fears is both petty and evil – and something that the Republican Party has perfected as a political strategy.
What's the problem?
Everyone would like to see the ORIGINAL birth certificate. Why is Obama hiding it?
People say "sure he was born in Hawaii, but I'd like to see his birth certificate anyway"!
I've never thought that Obama was not born on U.S. soil; even the Democrats are not stupid enough to make that kind of mistake. Birthers need to get another issue...and there are plenty of factual issues to pin on this excuse of a president. But his birth location is not the question; focus on his wealth redistribution, his incredibly inept economic team, his punishment of those who work and rewards for those who are idle, his inexperience, his incompetence, his inappropriate priorities, his obligations to the puppeteers who put him in office, his lack of energy policy, his lack of foreign policy, his lack of economic policy, his flip-flopping on an incredible number of issues, his abandonment of his political base.
Now that this pitiful excuse of a president has a "Track Record", we are going to take him to task. So the next time that the rest of you who voted for him because you wanted "change you could believe in" (not realizing that GWB was not running against BHO), we'll have a debate on substantive mattes, not emotional guilt, or alignment with the stars, or "time for a black president", or whatever.
Let's vote this guy out handily and bring in anyone who has the country's best interests at heart, no matter what race, religion, sex, height, weight, sexual preference, political party (yes, Democrats, Republicans, etc.), shape of eyes, or physical size. Now that all of the "guilters" have voted for a black president, let you now focus on what's good for the country, not what's good for your guilty feelings.
Jimmy Carter must be laughing! Obama will now be the worst president in American history and Richardson is now the uncontrollable international peacemaker. What a joke these politicians have been...and all at our expense.
These birther idiots are simply move evidence that we need stricter enforcement of our incest laws.
Odumba was born in Kenya then his parents moved to Hawaii when he was four. His parents then applied a birth certificate for him because when they were in Hawaii, and because his mother is an English woman. So, that why it wounded up he picked up the citizenship when he was four not AFTER BIRTH.
Jerry, you are one of those people Brendan's mother told him not to argue with. I think I'll heed her advice, as well. Enjoy your fantasies, and, please, never vote.
Jerry in Florida, did you ask Bush 41 and 43 for their Birth certificates? And, how do you explain the announcements in the local newspapers..You seem to write well but your brain may be soft.... It is people like you that our beloved USA a bad name...
So, this guy just got elected as Governor and this is his top priority? Hawaii must be in great shape if this is how he plans on spending his time in office..
Those folks know our Presiedent was born in the United States,. they just hate the fact we have a Black President.
The parents knew he was going to become the first black president back in 1961, so they lied and sneak him into the U.S. from Kenya, a british colony back then. I mean, I can't believe this is still an issue... I wonder if it will be an issue if Mccain was president, since he was actually born in Panama.. I guess he is a white man after all...
Why are we still on this subject? Let them prove by documentation he was born outside the US. Every challenge has been thrown out of court. I guess if Jesus was still on Earth, he would have to prove he was the son of God and his mother was a virgin.
The governor has Obama cornered now. If we don't see the real birth certificate this time, it will just look worse for him.
Why the big secret? It's just a birth certificate.
You can't fix stupid. Just ignore the birthers.
The fact that GWBush was AWOL from the Air Force for an entire year and never provided an adequate explanation (other than that clearly he was off frying his brain with cocaine) never bothered any of these "birther" types, and facts about Obama's birth will not affect them either.
Prove he was AWOL for a single day, prove it. Your no different than the birthers are, you hear something and go with it. George W, got his flight certification, that is fact and public record. You seem to forget the lefties already went down this road before and got caught doctoring documents to prove their point and as anyone with a brain knows, they were disproven.
Solid Km B. That is funny. I laugh because he is/was a constitutional law professor at Univ of Chicago School of Law yet title was considered Senior Lecturer. The UC School of Law released a statement clarifying the differences between Lecturer, Senior Lecturer, and Full-time Faculty Professors. In effect, Senior Lecturers are considered faculty professors and regarded as such, yet they are not full-time professors because they have other demanding jobs which they may have chosen to forgo full-time tenure tracked positions in order to maintain their employment elsewhere.
Are you saying that since Bush supporters didn't seem to have a problem that Bush had requested and received permission to postpone his service that when the facts about Obama are revealed those same Bush supporters won't care about them?
Pretty amazing, huh? A bunch of chicken hawks lied us into war (Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, etc. – not to mention their cheerleaders, Newt and Limbaugh) and that never bothered all these birther types. Trillions of dollars and thousands of lives lost or irreparably harmed, and not a peep out of these folks who suddenly are so agitated about President Obama. I can only chalk it up to racism. When a Black man was sworn in as our President, these birthers all had a kniption fit – their world was shaken and they just can't deal with it.
They still won't believe it.
No, they won't. The same way that one screaming loony on TV claimed that "the media" fabricated the Hawaiian newspaper birth announcement clippings! I'm sorry, these people are on another planet.
Jerry in Flordia, it's President Obama, and you are one of those people that will find some reason to doubt anything including video of him emerging from his mother's womb. You really should direct your outrage where it is due, such as that nutjob crook medicare embezzler that you elected governor.
Great. Let's have a look at that original birth certificate! And when we don't get to see the original birth certificate, then what will be the excuse?
We arrive in rusty 1964 motorhomes.
We carry our bibles and loaded assault weapons.
We wear ridiculous clothing and carry mispelled signs.
We stomp all over the White House lawn shouting racist slogans.
We are the only ' real ' Americans, we are true patriots.
For us, the earth will always be flat.
We are the birthers. We are the baggers. We are morons.
Does anyone think Mccain didn't check the birth certificate out?
You mean Senator McCain, who was not born in the United States? Yes, he was born to the wife of a military officer serving overseas, so "technically" he meets the requirement of a US born Citizen (provided that birth was in a military hospital). But how come the Birthers didn't have a problem with that?
McCain isn't talking, because he wasn't born "on Base, or American property. That would make him more illegal than Obama's Birth Paper controversary.
And McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone and was a much better case for not being eligible for the presidency. Curiously, there was no hubbub about that . . .
As well as Hilary when she was running for Pres?
I'd like to point out that John McCain was not born in the United States. McCain had to be "declared" a natural born citizen, even though he was born in Colon, Panama (not in the Panama Canal Zone). I don't question McCain's citizenship; rather I believe it would be shameful to question the 'natural born' status of a child born to military personnel sent overseas by presidential order. I also think it's shameful for people to question the legitimacy of our current President because the evidence of his birth in the United States isn't acceptable to a certain segment of society.
Fact is, he's naturally born – in Hawaii.
Fact is, he's legitimately President.
Repubs, you lost the Presidency. Get over it already.
I think McCain was well aware of the eligibility issue. His own ineligibility forced him to keep his mouth shut. Beyond that, it also makes you wonder who is putting on the pressure and pulling the strings?
McCain had his own ineligible issues to deal with, of course he was not going to rock the boat! Silly!!!
My birth certificate looks identical to Obama's and I was born in Indiana in 1938. No cute little footprints, no doctors signature, only a 5×7 piece of paper from the Lake County Court House with a Notorized stamp from the county that I was born there. The birthers can't say, "they hate the black man", so hide their racism behind anything they can think of, including where he was born. In fact McCain wasn't born on American soil either, so what's the screaming about? Racism, plain and simple
Fedup, all this info was released during the 2008 campaign.
Nothing will convince people who refuse to be convinced.
Sorry, Governor, but as long as some of these folks take "the Flintstones" as proof that cave men and dinosaurs coexisted you will never satisfy them, even if you produce sworn testimony under oath administered by a Republican appointes Supreme Court Justice of the doctor who delivered President Obama as to the location and circumstances of his birth!
Between that and the former Governor of Alaska who quit her job to sell a book that she really didn't write (sorry, but I didn't watch her write either one so I don't believe she really did it) talking about "real Americans" – and her definition of who is and who is not, the Tea Partiers and Birthers will be around until President Obama steps down from office (hopefully in January, 2017)!
"ANYONE" can run birth announcements in newspapers, even if the information is not verified/true.
Nobody investigates/verifies the information, it is the same thing as placing engagement/wedding announcements in the newspapers.
The states need to REQUIRE proof of citizenship for anyone that is on the ballot in 2012--no matter what state, no matter who they are, etc.
Jerry in Florida is just repeating what FOX News tell him. It is people like Jerry that is wrong with this country. People who just sit on the sideline and throw bombs are useless. Hey Jerry, why don't you get a clue, get educated somewhere OUTSIDE of Glenn Beck University and stop repeating what FOX NEWS tells you and maybe, just maybe you could be legitmate. I am all for debates on policy but this birthing crap combined with people calling all democrats socialists has to stop. Quit being idiots Jerry from Florida.
Good for you, Governor Abercrombie!
The whole country is waiting to see the outcome of this investigation.
We arrive in rusty 1964 motorhomes.
We carry our bibles and loaded assault weapons.
We wear ridiculous clothing and carry misspelled signs.
We stomp all over the White House lawn shouting racist slogans.
We are the only ' real ' Americans, we are true patriots.
For us, the earth will always be flat.
We are the birthers. We are morons.
This cert of birth is fake ..it lists fathers race as 'African." ..back in 1961 they used negro or black .. AFRICAN IS NOT A RACE !!!! REPEAT " AFRICAN" IS NOT A RACE ....
Secondly it never lists the Hospital or the doctors name as all birth certificates do..so Obama continues to bamboozle the public and spend millions of our money to fight the lawsuits ...You dont spend that kind of money unless you are hiding something big.... He also uses a Connecticut Social Security number given to a dead man ..how is that possible ????
Ok so someone please tell me what the big hairy deal is with them showing a birth certificate. After all this time they still say "He was born here, but we're not going to show you the absolute proof." If it will silence the issue once and for all, why not show the stinkin' thing and get it over with. It makes it look like someone is actually hiding something. The GWB issue is moot in that he is no longer president. Move on, dot org.
Abercrombie is a loon, an outright idiot. You can never trust anything this man says. Nice try at the political spin! Simply show a bona fide certificate – that is ALL you need to do. Very simple! The failure to do so speaks volumes.
Why does the President have to show anyone proof now? Is it a null point now? Will non-believers praise him or hate him more? Funny that people actually are fixated on this issue...sort of shows the mindset of citizens in the Greatest Country in the World. You'd think that all of this should have been an issue when he was a high school basketball star, in Hawaii.
And you'd still say it's a forgery!
Dude...you just asked for the very thing that's been produced and you still don't believe it? Wow...i bet you'd argue that the sky isn't blue and that water is dry....You're obviously not the sharpest tool in the shed...
no matter what is shown some people will never believe it because they dont want to believe it.......some things you can not change no matter what you do......with that you just shake the dust and move on.
Sounds like to me that Abercrombie is a birther loon to me. He wants the exact same thing as the birthers, only he is trying to spin it as being good for Obama. Obama's admin is mum because they don't want it released. LOL This just keeps getting better and better.
GozieBoy: I beg to differ; you are the certifiable looney here. I was born at Tripler Army Hospital, Barber's Point Naval Station in '59. The birth certificate you "claim" to be fake is genuine. The fact that you and the legion of idiots who don't buy that will wonder why in the world the the Army court martialed a decorated doctor for espousing essentially the same erroneous beliefs as you...you really believe that a court martial would stand IF in fact the doctor was telling the truth...or are all of us to suspend belief and reality in the same manner as you have???
Sounds like you have no understanding or respect for the legal process. Sounds about right coming from the neo-con right, though...
Your failure to accept facts speaks volumes. The previous (Republican) governor repeatedly said the issue had been settled – Obama was born in HI. She even got a legal opinion that allowed HI to stop responding to birthers. And yet, like lemmings, they keep dropping over that cliff. Or maybe a better analogy is the Borg – total mind control.
I bet you have more information than the CIA, FBI and other intelligence agencies combined who have verified his birth as a natural born citizen. When it comes to name-calling, empty vessel, you don't have the exclusive right regardless of how high your pitch is, dummy!
@Gozieboy (the moron): If the documentation was not adequate, the opposition (Republicans) would have challenged the election results on that basis. They didn't. You are a passionate, illiterate, enraged, lonely, sexually frustrated moron.
This is more than cynical. Why is the place of his birth such an issue now? For those who think that he may/not be a U.S. born citizen, consider this:
1) Where was Mr. Obama born? If a U.S. hospital, anyone who worked at the hospital still alive?
2) Was either of his parents a U.S. citizen?
3) Where did Mr. Obama attend elementary, middle, and high school?
4) When did he attend Occidental College, Columbia University, and the Harvard School of Law?
5) Was not his birth certificate ever shown during his educational endeavoring years as proof of citizenship?
6) As an Illinois State and later U.S. Senator, was not Mr. Obama required to produce a certificate of birth before holding those posts?
7) When did his citizenship become an issue of concern? And, who initially raised the red flag and WHY NOW?
8) As a past President of the Harvard Law Review, do you think this question was raised or an issue for Mr. Obama?
Amazing (if one thinks the President of the United States is not U.S. born), that everyone let this issue slip until now.
UNTIED STATE AMERCIAN WANT TO KNOW THAT OBAMA MUST APPROVE WITH NAME DOCTOR OR SOMEONE OF HIS BIRTHER CREIFICATE
... what? Are you even conscious?
That's exactly what I was thinking when I read his/her statement.
it would seem not
Actually, that's not bad for a rat.
You just made my day!
I love JON......
Seriously...get a life Birthers! This is a non-issue and as someone here noted, what makes you an expert on birth certificates? Multiple news agencies and government agencies have verified his birth certificate as valid. My birth certificate looks different than my siblings. What does it all mean??? I think the only thing that will satisfy you is a time machine so that you can witness Obama's birth and even then, you will find a reason not to believe your eyes. I am sick of this. I watched Anderson Cooper take on a leader of the birther movement and every piece of evidence that the Birther had was shown to be false/inaccurate.
Is that you Sarah?
I didn't think it was possible to be that stupid.
I think your cap lock button is stuck. Might want to have that checked.
Try changing the font so that your sentences contain even bigger upper case letters. That way you can scream louder.
By far the best post of this article....but pretty much in line with the intelligence level of a birther..lol but thanks for the laugh
said Willard, surrounded by his 750 pet rats.
I hear you can get a twofer memebership this month! Join the Birthers and you get lifetime membership in the Flat Earth Society!!! ACT NOW!!!!
Say what??? Willard that is my line when l am high. Stop stealing....
while a applaud Gov. Abercrombie's efforts, I do not think he will get the desired results. Even if you found the doctor that delivered Obama and gave him a lie detector test and he passed, they will still not believe it. Repunks like to say Obama supporters act like he is Jesus, that is only because Bush was the devil and they supported him. Most people don't know where Bush Sr, Bush Jr, Regan, Nixon or just about any other president was born, and guess what...they never asked because they were white. Mr. Gov. please save yourself the trouble and let the ignorant masses implode with their hate.
To all Birthers, get a load of these facts. The goverment, CIA,NSA, GSA aand many other agencies in this great country have turned every rock on earth to find out everything about our president. Do you Birthers really think that this goverment would allow someone to become president without verifying everything about the person? Birthers have an ideology thats radical and dangerous to all that is great in this country. However, even radicals have *freedom of speech protection*.
Of course, none of the 'birthers' will admit what is plainly obvious, that Sarah Palin was born in Canada. Check it out, there's no evidence left that will confirm this well-known fact, which is all the proof anybody needs.
Of course the the birthers should be ignored. Everyone knows that you don't capitulate to the demands of extremists.
Amen Governor! The birthers are a bunch of sorry bitter Anti American clowns.
How does an "official birth certificate" look like? Does it have an universal look and/or format, like the Federal Income Tax Return form, e.g., 1040? Can the birthers put up a blank "official birth certificate" so I know how it looks?
Does a Sate of New York birth certificate looks EXACTLY the same as the one from the State of Texas State, the State of Florida , or the State of Alaska, or any other state, including Hawaii?
Some of you just will not give it up, will you? I don't care how you try and spin it: the fact remains that a lot of white people in this country just cannot accept a black man as president. Even the previous governor of Hawaii (a Republican, mind you) has verified that Obama was born here. Get over it. If you want to criticize Obama, do it because you don't like his policies.
The hospital I was born in closed and I lost my original birth certificate (I was born in the states). Obviously the Vital Records one looks nothing like the original, but does that mean I wasn't born here? I have a Filipino parent, so does my lack of my original birth certificate and having a parent NOT born in the US mean I wasn't? No. It doesn't.
Barack was born in Hawaii. Lots of people lose their birth certificates. Lots of people have a parent or two that moved here from another country. Lots of people have ethnic names. Just because they don't have an Anglo name or a certain skin color, does not make them any less American.
Thank God for Abercrombie. He will now called the Birther nuts out and hopefully include the call out on the news nation wide. I also hope that Democrats start calling out the Republican devils for holding up our progress because their number one goal is to try an make our president a one termer but they really need prayer and to know that we will bring president Obama back for a 2nd term; and maybe change our constitution to allow a third term. All Republican officials and FIX News must be made front and center on the media for their continous lies about our president and the amazing progress president Obama has done for all Americans. No longer should birthers, Republicans and FIX News be allowed to lie and get away with it because it affects so many native people that trust these nuts.
"Does anyone think McCain didn't check the birth certificate out?" guest.
I do not know which one of the Brothers Grimm originally started this Birther fairy tale, but Panama Jack would have most certainly checked it out.
GozieBoy – Birth certificates look different from state to state. I was born in NY state and my birth certifcate does not have a footprint on it.
No matter what document is produced, the nay sayers will say it's a forgery.
So true. A certification of birth, issued by the appropriate legal custodian of such records in Hawaii, has been given to President Obama. It has been handled by the folks at Fact Check, and photographs of that certificate have been posted there and on the President's personal campaign website. That is all that is legally required to prove his citizenship. Anyone who thinks there is some conspiracy is wearing a tinfoil hat or drinking the Faux News koolaid. Barak Obama is the legitimate President of the United States of America, and he is a citizen born in Hawaii. Period. It has been proven. But the racists and right wing lunatics will still never accept this.
Yeah pretty much. It saddens me how ridiculously stupid this country has become. As people on here are shouting about the birth, you can barely understand what they are saying because of their poor grammar. They want to know who his doctor was and I bet most of them have no idea who delivered them, I sure don't. They make Americans look terrible to the world and I am ashamed of them. I haven't agreed with every piece of legislation Obama has signed, but he is no less American than the IDIOTS that he wants to help in this country that continuously bring up this subject.
There could provide irrefutable videotaped evidence of him emerging from his mother's womb on the steps of the US Capitol and the birthers would still claim it as false. People like "Total Facts" and "GozieBoy" are complete imbeciles and you cannot reason with them.
So are you saying that even if the COLB turns out to be a forgery, that's ok with you. because the birthers won't be happy either?
WOW. I'm certain McCain checked into Obama's birth certificate and he would be required by the US constitution to submit his evidence of being a US citizen in addition to his age. Many states certify births and records them slightly differently, just because Obama is from a state that does things a little differently doesn't mean he is any less of US citizen. I know that's difficult for many of you to understand since you rarely leave your trailer and have a less than adequate education as indicated by the terrible spelling mistakes and grammatical errors. Additionally, John McCain wasn't even born in a US state, he was actually born on a US base in Panama. Get over it people. And are we seriously still on the death panels? I've read the actually health bill and in no where does it discuss death panels. It does however discuss end of life counseling which we should all be entitled to because some doctor decides to prolong our lives which may already fraught with pain from chronic disease.
Illegals are better for America than birthers are.
Total Facts- just to keep you appaised of reality- the only death panel that exist in the US resides in the red state of Arizona in its treatment of transplant patients. Wake up and smell the coffee.
Republican out of office, Democrat in...end of this birther non-sense.
All these "birthers" are really just racist. They don't want a black man in charge, but they don't want to appear racist therefore they go after him on this trash.
Birthers are such bad losers. They simply can't get over their stubbornness. Pres. Obama has nothing to do other than what he did: showing his certificate of live birth just like another native-born U.S. citizen would do.
Birthers are a pack of morons.
There is no coincidence that most of the birthers are in the south. I wonder why. Oh no it can't be race.
Everyone that is asking for the production of Obama's documents. Are you equally asking for Bush I or II to produce these same documents? What about Bill, Regan's Library, Jimmy Carter, Gerald Ford, etc. And if you are not asking for their verification then why not?
President Obama's mother was an American citizen, therefore, he is an American citizen regardless of where he was born. If there was the remotest possibility that the President was not a citizen Hillary Clinton or McCain would have discovered it and blasted it from the top of the highest building they could find.
So, I can only imagine what the birthers would be saying if John McCain had been elected. His birth certificate PROVES he was born in Panama, not the United States. Hmmm......When you research how he was able to run for office you will find that the Senate, where all his cronies are, not the Supreme Court, said it was legal for him to run for President since his father was stationed there with the Navy. However, this has not been challenged legally so if he had been elected, his right to office could have been legally challenged. Do you think anyone would have done so? I doubt it!
There is a very simple solution; release the the original birth certificte as registered with the State of HI.
This should be so simple. Show the birth certificate (non forged) and everyone will be happy. W had a birth certificate, where is Barry's?
Why the Obama has been so difficult to show his birth certificate to the public???? If he did it right at the beginning of the "doubt", he wouldn't have any issue at all with those birthers. Obliviously, he did some calculated decision to withhold the birth certification, fueling more doubt/conspiracy, attentions, publicity for his election drive. Don't blame everything to the birthers, these group of people were being USED..
If he truly was born in Hawaii why did he spend millions of dollars to prevent the "truth" from being told? Something doesn't smell right.
Some Americans are so uneducated it scares the heck out of me. We are down to being 52nd in the world in education in Math and Science. I love the people who dont believe in evolution . And to the kookie guy TAM....... hes right at least in Arizona. That state is no longer paying for transplants for medicaid recipients. They are being left to die. Thats John Mccains state isnt it ? But Palin is still the worse excuse of a human being I have ever seen
If you can tell anyone that you've requested to see these other president's documents, been granted to see those documents and therefore been consistent in your request/demands over the years. Then I will never question anyone like you again. But if you have not asked for, requested or been as zealous for the records of these other presidents. Then I would have to say that you are just a bitter rabble-rouser.
How about if those "Birthers" provide their own proof of birth??? How do we know if "They" are part of the Terrorist Baby conspiracy?? How do we know it's not part of the "plan" to cast doubt so "They" can move in and take over????
The bottom line is, you can't fix stupid. If you actually think Obama was not born here you are stupid, period. If you think John McCain didn't try to exploit the birth issue, once again, you are stupid. The reason he didn't exploit it is because there is no issue. Most sane people accept the documentation that has been presented. Was Obama's mother that sly that she had a birth announcement put intn he Hawaii paper because she knew one day her son would run for president???? Come on, once again that is stupid. I find it comical that I guy who calls himself totalfact is pushing the birther thing. Oh, the irony.
American is dumbing down as a severe rate. Most people dont read the newspaper any more, and get all their news from one group of talking heads. I never forgot watching Jay Leno one night. He was asking folks on the street to point out Iran. One guy pointed at Australia ! I laughed then realized how sad this one that someone could be that dumb
Sadly they want to believe it. What nobody is admitting to is this behavior is nothing more than the white supremacist ghost that still lies, albeit low, on many of the American people. Many white people hate this guy so much because in their mind, it is extraordinarily audacious of a black, even a mixed raced person, to try to run for president. Anything that can tarnish will be flung.
The idiots claim that the birth announcements in the newspapers are fake. If shown his original birth certificate they'll claim it's fake, too.
Governor, don't waste your time. No matter the proof, these nut bags will not believe anything that contradicts their brain-dead ideas. They are afraid of the truth.
Birth Certificate vs. Certificate of Live Birth? Give me a break. Is the Department of Motor Vehicles different from the Motor Vehicle Department?
My birth certificate was lost or destroyed decades ago. When I wrote to the registrar for a copy, what I received was a certified document that showed my name, date of birth, and city of birth. It didn't even show my parents' names!! And nobody has questioned it, not even when I used it to get my passport.
I suggest these birth-baggers try to obtain a copy of their own and see what they get....just in case one of them decides to run for president....LOL
IF I NEEDED MY ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTICATED TO GET A HIGH LEVEL GOVERNMENT JOB... I WOULD PRODUCE IT WITHOUT BEING UPSET.... PRES OBAMA SHOULD JUST GO ON OPRAH... GIVE HER A HUG AND SHOW IT....
This has got to be the most unintelligent country on the face of the planet!!!!! Let's see – the president wasn't born in the US. Hmm...last I checked HI was a state in the union and OFFICIAL DOCUMENTATION presented to clarify that he was born on US SOIL. Yet, there're are still people who doubt that. McCain was born in PANAMA. But that's ok since it was on a US military base. I bet you if the president's name was John Smith, there'd be no question whatsoever. Wonder how many minorities are part of this 'Birther Movement"... And further more – for the rest of you up in arms that the president has spent billions of dollars on bailouts, etc, here's something to ponder – IT'S NO LONGER YOUR MONEY. It's the government's!!!!! You spent it in taxes. Do you think the government just taxes you for no reason? IT'S TO BE PUT TO USE FOR THE GOVERNMENT. And that's exactly what was done to stablize a deteriorating economy. A country is only as good as it's economy....
I do not believe that Sarah Palin graduated from high school. I demand to see her high school diploma.
Seriously, folks, this is ridiculous. Why is it that when critics poked fun at and chastised W, it was un-American to stand against The President; however, when people speak of President Obama, it's with blatant disrespect and malice. Trickle down economics don't work, people. Never have. Never will. That is until those receiving the tax cuts are forced to provide "proof" that they've created new jobs. "W" took the budget surplus, declared an illegal war, and put this nation in the worst position it's ever been in. Before covering posts like this with uninformed critiques, go to factcheck.org and learn a few things.
George Bush was born in Iran. He is secretly a Muslim. He invaded Iraq to strengthen Iran's power in the Middle East.
President Obama, stated with respect for the office, has purposely brought this upon himself. Why not just release the original birth certificate? Why hide all of his school records on top of that. With the press calling people who question his birth place birthers and ridiculing people for wondering only makes things worse. If he would have released it immediately upon the questions surfacing three years ago he could have put all this behind him. But his actions have only made him look small and childish. I think he likes to have this issue for the press to ridicule his opponents by calling them names. And by releasing it moments after a trip to Hawaii only makes things look more suspicious, but then that's what the President wants.
The dems need to learn to fight dirty. That is just what this is. The GOP will look for any technicality to weaken a rival candidate. Dems need to fight back in like kind, after all, they have the evil "liberal media" to help. The GOP will have at least as many skeletons as the christian/moral facade is only public paper thin. All it takes is some gumption.
to 'total facts,' i think Tam was being sarcastic. i hope! but the birthers probably believe that nonsense, too, as well as everything Faux Noise tells them. they just don't feel like facts are something they need to acknowledge. whatever they want to be true is true in their bizarro universe.
You are an ignoramus. We "birthers" are just not as gullible as you Democrats, who are too partisan to let facts get in your way. Obama has refused to produce a birth certificate, which would be very simple to do. If you are not suspicious as to why he is stonewalling against his constitutional eligibility requirement, you must have disposed of the constitution already.
right back at ya Liz.
It's difficult to read these posts and know that these are American citizens who vote. If Obama's name had been John Jones, what else could they have done to disclaim his legitimacy as president? One thing that gives me great pleasure is the fact that he did win the presidency and none of these prejudiced no-life at all people can remove it from history. Four hundred years from now, his name is on that list no matter what they do. It happened. He was elected. He won by almost 9,000,000 votes. George Bush, in two elections added together, won by a little over 2,000,000. That's 7,000,000 people over your war monger. Your short memories of what Bush did to this country just shows why you keep trying to blow Obama out of the water. The louder you yell, the more you think it hides the failures of the Republicans.
As the parent of a dual-national kid, this issue is somewhat close to my heart. Here's the deal. To be an American Citizen by birth you must be:
1) Born in the USA (any part of it, including protectorates, territories, embassy grounds, military bases, American flag ships at sea, etc. (it doesn't matter whether your parents were citizens at that time or not.)
2) Born of at least one American parent. Matters not where and it matters not whether you are raised overseas and carry another passport. Unless or until you formally renounce it, you're entitled to citizenship by birth.
You can become a citizen by naturalization at any time and at any age. But naturalized citizens are not able to become President. (Thus, Henry Kissinger or Arnold Schwarzennegger could not become President unless the Constitution was changed). Even though both are American citizens.
At the very least, Obama's mother was an American citizen. Thus his place of birth, while providing a separate and sufficient basis for citizenship by birth, is unimportant. He has citizenship through birth to an American citizen.
Allow me to introduce myself, I'm one of those birthers that you Democrats know so much about. You have us all wrong. We are not conspiracy theorists. We are not going to remain unsatisfied if the proof comes in. We just have one question that you and your ilk are too afraid to ask: WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE? The governor can't do anything about it; Obama must authorize its release. The fact is, we don't know who Obama is because HE is stonewalling this issue. There is no legitimate reason for Obama to refuse to release his birth certificate. If you are not suspicious that he is hiding something, there is something amiss about you. Obama must be lying about something, otherwise he would expend the 3 calories necessary to put this matter to rest. I have no idea what he's lying about. But I know that rational people don't behave this way unless they are lying about something. All Obama has to do is produce the birth certificate, and we patriotic Americans you call "birthers" will be SATISFIED. WHY HASN'T HE DONE IT?
Truly, I don't think it matters what evidence is released. These birther people are delusional. Delusions, by definition, are a fixed belief in a false idea, which can't be changed with evidence or reason. Other current examples of delusional beliefs include denial of anthropogenic climate change and denial of biological evolution. Undoubtedly, high proportions of "birthers" share these other popular delusional beliefs.
Truly, I don't think it matters what evidence is released. These birther people are delusional. Delusions, by definition, are a fixed belief in a false idea, which can't be changed with evidence or reason. Other current examples of delusional beliefs include denial of anthropogenic climate change and denial of biological evolution. Undoubtedly, high proportions of "birthers" share these other popular delusional beliefs.
A very critical question still goes unanswered from the Birther crowd:
If Obama was NOT born in the U.S., why were there announcements of his birth in Hawaii, not just in one, but TWO newspapers?
Here's the deal, Birthers: you're making the accusation that Obama was born in a foreign country. Since you're making the accusation, it's up to YOU to prove it, not Obama to disprove it.
Abercrombie is in way over his head. he's a local pol with a thin brain.
Axelrod has his reasons for not showing the birth certificate.
Obama was born in Hawaii, it's the parentage or lack of a marriage
document where the mystery deepens. Frank Marshal Davis may
be the daddy.
If Davis, or Malcolm X according to some stories, *is* actually Obama's dad, then there's no question that Obama's an American, is there ...
Silliness all around.
Ah yes, so the 'mystery deepens'! Now you're insinuating, if we hear you correctly, that Obama's parentage is what's in question? My my, I'd take bets that the Prez himself would get a chuckle out of that! Get elected, get called a bastard: natural progression! Come on birthers, we're waiting for your next precious salvo! It's great comic relief and this looks like a LONG winter! Bastard Obama - HAR!
Article II – Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution requires that the President be a natural born citizen. It doesn't matter who the parents are. The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." Further, Title 8 – Section 1401 defines a U.S. citizen as "Anyone born inside the United States." However, the "jurisdiction" clause in the 14th would exempt children of diplomats.
Where are you getting the idea that President Obama's parents have anything to do with this? He was born in Hawaii. He's a citizen of the U.S. and therefore eligible to hold the office of President.
What a pile of road apples! It matters not who his parents are, where they were born, if they are married. He was born in Hawaii ie legal.
Are the "birthers" after John McCain as well? He was not born in the United States. Are they after Palin, Alaska was not part of the United States until shortly before she was born. Maybe her parents were from Alaska and that could mean she is "illegal"? Come on birthers, let's check everyone.
I think Palin is safe from enquiry, as she was born in Idaho (which has been in the union for 120 years), not Alaska.
McCain was born at an American naval air base near the Panama Canal, which is sovergn United States territory. Andy by the way, John McCain revealed his birth certificate, so there would be no reason for the birthers to go after him.
I hope to goodness you are being sarcastic!
Yes, the birthers are after McCain as well. OMG, and he is white...oh well, I'm sure they are racists anyway.
Alaska, like Hawaii were both admitted to the Union PRIOR to either Obama or Palin being born. Close only counts in horseshoes, not in BCs. Even if either were born a month after the state was admitted, then it counts! LOL Anyway, Hawaii was under the sovereign control of the US prior to becoming a State, so Obama would have been fine even if the campaign were lying about his age...since his facebook page makes him 3 or 4 years older than the campaign did.
Your unwavering allegiance to Obama has made your common sense run a muck!
Actually, she was born in Sandpoint, Idaho and her parents moved to Alaska when she was a baby. Also, since she was born in February 1964, Alaska had been a state for five years (January 3, 1959).
Sarah Palin was born in Idaho. Although having grown up there, I have to admit you could mistake it for a foreign planet, let alone a foreign country.
I wish Gov. Abercrombie luck, but I think his efforts are doomed from the start. The birthers, the truthers, the tenthers, and assorted others at both ends of the political spectrum are like small children, fingers in ears yelling "nananananana" every time someone suggests proveable facts.
BTW – writing in all caps is really childish. Does your Mom know you're using her computer?
It's a nobel gesture by Abercrombie, but this gesture will not overcome the racist cancer that is the Tea Party's greatest downfall.
"The president is entitled to the respect of his office." Respect must be earned. He has done nothing to earn it.
John McCain was no more eligible to be the POTUS than was Obama. He was born on foreign soil.
I agree with you that every candidate should be vetted as required by the Constitution. I'd take it a step farther and say that no person should be allowed to take any position within the line of succession (V.P., Speaker of the House, etc.) who had not been properly vetted against constitutional requirements to be the POTUS.
In my earlier post, please insert an 'or' between the two methods of citizenship by birth. Either is sufficient by itself. You don't need both.
Men's greatest quality – asset is : stupidity: indeed its widely displayed on many of the above comments
somebody please tell me why we cant see his long form birth certificate.
I wonder how many of the "birth ers" even know Romney was born in Mexico, because his father wanted to be able to marry multiple women without the U.S. government saying he can't. And for that matter McCain was born in Panama! In addition, does anyone realize Obama's mother was born in Kansas? As long as FOXLIES is allowed to blantantly push their misinformation upon paranoid middle class white Americans, there will always be idiots like the birth ers.
The thing is, it's the fact that some just don't like Obama primarily, and any crazy make-em-up idea that they can come up with secondarily that can get him out of office, they will try to use. The easiest way would be claim that he wasn't born in the US. They just WANT to believe that he wasn't born here and it's those same ones that can not be satisfied, no matter what you do. Funny how this issue never came up while he was in the senate.
well 2 comments are awaiting moderation, or in other words, for the era of censorship to end in america. ill try one more time. search in google for the name of the doctor who delivered barry soetoro. i cant find it and you wont either.
I want to see Sarah Palin's High School Diploma...........
Do the birthers really believe he's not a U.S. citizen? P-leeze! President Obama was a Harvard Professor of Constitutional Law for crying out loud. Do the birthers really believe he would try to pull this kind of stunt after teaching this subject? A previous poster here is sooo right; you can't fix stupid. Nuff said.
I am sick and tired of some of these people especially Southern Confederate Rebels in Texas constantly criticizing and questioning Obama's birth. Enough is enough. Why doesn't Texas and some of it's Southern state pals just leave the Union.They shouldhave never have been re-admitted in the first place as most of its citizens feel that they are really a separate country.
"A person convinced against their will is of that opinion still". Truer words have never been spoken about the "birthers" who have no legitimate claim to question the President's birth status. If we held ALL Americans to the standard of proof of birth that they are asking of President Obama, then the millions of children born without doctors present would all be considered questionable. Those do not have birth certificates signed by doctors. Or the thousands of American children born overseas on US military installations - as was John McCain. The truth is, President Obama had to pass a rigid test of his citizenship to run for President. He had to fulfill a lot of citizenship requirements to get scholarships to his colleges, too. The whole situation is simply a tempest in a teapot (probably quite literally considering how many of the Tea Party are involved in the birther issues) intended to diffuse attention away from the illegal, immoral and unConstitutional acts of the previous Republican Adminstration and to confuse those who do not think for themselves.
And for those who say that "all the President has to do..." and other foolish things: we live in a free country where people are presumed innocent of wrong-doing until proven guilty. The President should be presumed innocent of managing to fool the entire US Government, his various political adversaries both within his party and outside his party, and his mother, father, and other relatives until YOU have concrete evidence that he is intentionally lying! The burden of proof is on YOU, not him!
But it never has been an issue of legality, has it?
"The truth is, President Obama had to pass a rigid test of his citizenship to run for President." Really? Please tell us what the test was? "He had to fulfill a lot of citizenship requirements to get scholarships to his colleges, too." He did? Please tell us what the requirements were. Thanks in advance.
Surely you jest! You think it takes a doctors signature to make a birth unquestionable???? LMAO
Many people are born at home and with the signatures of witnesses of the birth, their birth is unquestionable without a doctor. Where in the world do you people get this stuff?
McCain was NOT born on a military base. McCain was born in Colon, Panama, which isn't even in the Canal Zone! The hospital was a civilian hospital and the land it sits on was NEVER under US control; therefore, McCain – like Obama – was born with dual-citizenship, and therefore he is as ineligible as Obama is.
What rigid test did Obama and McCain pass to run for President?
Who administered this rigid test to them?
Where was this rigid test administered?
You would think – I did too prior to all this – that there would be some agency, committee, or department that is charged with verifying a candidates documentation and certifying that they are eligible to be POTUS, but guess what? THERE IS NONE! There was no rigid test, there is no one checking any documentation! NO ONE!!! If you still think there is, please find out who or what agency checked his documents and then let me know. I know...it's wild to think that no one checked, but LOOK IT UP, RESEARCH IT, and FIND OUT for yourself. NO ONE checked.
Funny that you bring up scholarships....there is speculation that he claimed he was a foreign student from Indonesia in order to get funding and admittance to Columbia. Wouldn't you at least like to know whether he did or not? Well, too bad, because he sealed those records too. Now why would he seal those records? Why indeed?
Illegal, Immoral and unConstitutional acts of the previous administration....what a laugh. Like do you honestly think anything is any different under Obama? Yes, I can see that he has changed so so so much....NOT! He still tortures, only now it's call Rendition, because he doesn't want to get his hands dirty, he sends them to other nations to be tortured – same thing Bush did, only Bush was man enough to take responsibility and own up to his decisions and actions. Obama just wants to blame others for his inability to take responsibility and ineptness.
It's a matter of eligibility. There is one question you should NEVER be able to ask your President:
To which citizenship do you pledge allegiance?
If he/she were born with only one, then there is only one possible allegiance. Obama said he was born with dual-citizenship, thus dual-allegiance. I believe him, apparently you think he is lying.
Let me state from the beginning that I am not a birther.
That being said, the President's identity does not fall under being "presumed innocent of wrong-doing until proven guilty..." If you are stopped by a traffic cop (whether innocent or guilty) you are still required to provide ID (ie a valid driver's license.) The President should be required to prove that he fulfills the short list of requirements for the job. Why he doesn't just either publicize the requested documents or have them privately viewed/verified by a Republican official (Boehner, Palin) is beyond me. Unless he is doing it to tie the Republicans to the Birthers endless screeching...
Obama may be a poor President (in my opinion), but I don't think things would get any better with Biden. The whole Birther movement to me sounds like sour grapes from the 2008 election. For the most part, I doubt it has much to do with race, but rather politics.
But we just witnessed the political resolution to the mistake America made in Nov 2008... Obama is effectively neutered for the next two years as a result of the 2010 midterms. He will not be reelected.
Wrong! Obama has NEVER responded to a legal challenge as to his birth place by presenting the long form birth certificate. Every challenge has been on procedural issues of law. Obama is solely responsible for this insanity. If he would have presented the long form birth certificate at ANY of the courts this would have been over long ago (minus the few whackos). When 25% of Americans question his birth place, there is an issue! Obama has had his college records, long form birth certificate and other records sealed.......WHY? Why has he put the American public through this? Say what you want but trying to label 75,000,000 Americans "whacko" just doesn't cut it!
Why did President Obama petitioned the Court (and was granted) to seal all his personal including school records and bio data records?
The birthers already know oboma was born in hawaii. All they want to do is spread hate and discontent.
And pigs will fly. You will NEVER be able to convince these people
TOTAL FACTS brought the lulz. No one can actually be that stupid.
And so WHAT if Obama is found to be born in another country? Do you think that would make McCain president?
No. It wouldn't. We'd have President Biden.
So this is CLEARLY racism on the part of the Birthers....unless they're so irretrievably stupid w/r/t American History.
Hey, I'm not a birther
but this Abercrombie cat
was born in New York
and went to high school
there. He talks about the
Hawaiian people as if he
I'm not defending the birthers
I'm just saying this cat is
a typical politician claiming
to be something he's not
He's a Haole and always will be.
He needs to retire from politics
along with anyone else who has
been in it for over eight years.
I can't believe how crazy this has become! At least present some solid evidence to show that he was not born in Hawaii. Is that so hard to do?
Dumbama has a kenya attitude so he must have been dropped there.
Another clearly reasoned and well-thought-out response by another shining example of the best the Republican party can find in their ranks. I've heard more intelligent comments from a four-year-old.
And what, pray tell, would a 'kenya attitude' be?
Your prejudice is showing. Maybe you were dropped on your head at birth?
So if You said Bush was a dumb Texan would that mean
that YOU would be showing prejudice ?
When did calling a president dumb become a prejudice remark ?
I've heard people call Nixon dumb, Carter dumb, Eisenhower dumb,
Obama and Bush dumb. Where's the prejudice ?
I think he was. It makes the teapartiers mad that a black man has no criminal record. I know some tea party police sympathizers are wondering how they missed that one.
Why does Sarah Palin continue to be news? She contributes nothing to an intelligent debate. Sarah Palin should follow the advice of many people in her party-read a book!
And cobra where were you born. Your ancestors probably came as stowaways on a junk ship from Europe, looking for a way to escape the plague and other afflictions from that continent. What makes you think you are so smart that you go around calling people dumb? Have a Nobel Laureate sitting in your bathroom/toilet ?
So take a chill pill, check your ancestors records, and make sure they were not criminals escaping from Europe, which is why you were grandfathered into this country, the home of Native Americans. This is from a new immigrant who flew here, went to graduate school, and got my citizenship legally! Eat that!!!
and YOU must've been dropped on your head.
You are an ignorant racist elitist. You don't know your ass from your face.
Cobra...your name fits you well..a racist rattle snake filled with hate.....
Oh, look! ^She made a goofus by confusing Dumb and Obama. Were we supposed to laugh or use that as a marching chant? Save it for the Faux News zombie forum Agatha.
cobra, when you get to jail for robbing that liq. store, you might have to room with Bubba. Bubba be black as the ace off spades, and hard as a......................................... just for you. I think you be singing in the rain.
This article itself admits the plain fact and truth that neither Barack H. Obama nor the state of Hawaii have released the actual birth certificate. Shouldn't anyone who wishes to hold the highest law in the land have to meet the constitutional criteria? How can someone be so partisan as to degrade someone for wanting the unequivocal truth? Yeah some truthers are Palin loving idiots, but Barack Obama is a pawn like her and he's not much smarter. Anyone who believes the mainstream politicians from the machine and the dulled down media are stupid and have been had! Stop being tools for these people and wake up! We should see the bona fide birth certificate. Even liberals should want that essential transparency in government as it benefits us all.
New gov has an easy job since his predecessor has already resolved the issue of Obama's birth. Now resolving the issue of the idiocy of the "birthers" is another matter.
The problem is not about his birth. The problem is that people are still allowing this argument to continue. Of course it is political.
Also, that comment on George W. Bush going AWOL. That argument was as well entertained, and it shouldn't have. Causing the obsessed Dan Rather to get fired. The American people need to let the little insignificant un-factual arguments to continue.
It should be manditory to show your birth certificate when entering into the political arena in order to be 100% certain that the people that are wanting us to vote for are born in America.
If birthers actually wanted to prove/disprove the evidence of Mr. Obama's birth they would simply get someone born in Hawaii to ask for a copy of their birth certificate and see what they get: does it match the published document? You would have to make sure that the person asking wasn't a "native" Hawaiian as, due to treaty obligations, there is a different document used for them. Alternatively, for only slightly more money, you could track down someone who asked for their birth certificate around about 2008 and compare that document to the one produced for Mr. Obama. But, then, that would eliminate the controversy.
I see absolutely nothing wrong with asking him to produce a copy of a birth certificate. If he can shut these people up why won't he? I produce a copy of my birth certificate every time I get a driver's license in a new state, seems like the least thing we could ask somebody to do who is seeking the presidency. And yes, since we are "electing" him (arguably) we deserve to see his qualifications if we ask.
"The Obama campaign released a "certification of live birth," which *is* an official document in Hawaii."
A fact you have to explain to the "Birthers" over and over again.
Total Ffacts you are definitely an idiot. Just admit that you dropped out of school and know not what you are saying. You keep beating a dead horse. Number one Obama is a black/white man and trust me he was vetted completely, due to the fact he is black on the outside.You are jealous because he is more poised than you. You need to worry about why S. Palin is taking all of your money to the bank and why J. Boehner is crying all the time to be a grown man. He has something in his closet that will rock your world completely. Please stop looking at the news and pick up reading material. You will be acting this way when an Asian-American, Native-American or Latino-American is nominated also. There is no more white America. You have mixed all races by running around instilling your rules on other people. You really need to wake up.
Kill the nigger kenyan kkenyan
"The Obama campaign released a "certification of live birth," which is an official document in Hawaii."
All three of my kids have certificates of live birth – it is also the official document that our state gives the parents. To get a "birth certificate," you have to buy one for $50. Babies are expensive, so the last thing I really wanted to spend money on was fancy piece of paper to hang on the wall or stick in a file folder somewhere.
Birthers need to get a less hateful and nasty life!
I tell you what, I'll GIVE Obama the $50 to get his BC since I'm sure he is so strapped for cash.
Get real! If he wanted to release it he would. I'll bet you he doesn't want Abercrombie releasing it either! LOL
At least you admit there exists an original long-form. I'm from Texas. I had to submit my long-form to get a Passport, they wouldn't accept the COLB that looked just like Obamas. I had to verbally request it and pay $24.95 and it was mine! Maybe we can talk Hawaii into giving Obama a discount!!!
I doubt very much if "birthers" really care where Obama was born. They are much more concerned about the birthplace of his ancestors and the color of his skin. The whole birther movement is just good old fashioned racism trying to pass itself off as something else.
...not to mention the newspaper article that recorded the birth. You know, those democrats knew he will run for president when he grew up in 1961 will the live birth was recorded.
The next conspiracy theory is that a time machine will haven been invented in 2013. Robert Gibbs himself will go back to 1961 and place the birth announcements in the newspapers. It will haven been too bad that Gibbs crashed the DeLorean in Mt Kilimonjiro when he also will haven traveled to Britain to haven made sure that Kenyan independence took place so baby Barack diden't have a British birth certificate, but Obama can find a new press secretary. (verb conjugation is a bit difficult when time travel is involved).
Newspapers publish that information from court records, not from our parents telling them.
Just like they print who has been arrested or have passed away.
He was born 8 Aug, and paper was from 13 Aug.
Regardless of whether you want to spend the money or not, the 'long form' birth certificate exists ON RECORD "IF" the person was in fact BORN in Hawaii. There was a gentleman in charge of that office that said there is NO long form birth certificate for Mr.Obama in the Hawaii records office.
Ya know, as an African American, I actually would have a LOT MORE RESPECT for you "birthers" if you would just come out and call Obama a *igga. At least then there wouldn't be any hiding around your true feelings. I mean the only people that don't see the implied racism behind the birther's motivation are the completely life sheltered and gullable citizens of our country.
It's soo blatantly obvious how you guys feel about Pres. Obama that it's actually more insulting to my intelligence that you think I'm dumb enough to buy the fact that you care about the enforcement of the constitution. No one has been questioned about their place of birth that are serving public office, especially POTUS. In fact, if you want to be fair, Sen. McCain wasn't born on actual american soil, he was born around the territory of the Panama Canal. But of course, birthers never discuss that.
You know, racism continues to thrive in this country because citizens of the US states don't speak up when they see what's going on, and try to sweep it under the rug as if "it's really not that bad".
If it were provable in a court of law that President Obama was not born in Hawaii, the Republicans would have done so in 2008 during the presidential campaign. The GOP wanted McCain to win, remember?
The GOP has never taken the issue to court because they know they don't have a case – because there isn't one.
What the GOP also knows is that so many of their base are a bunch of ignorant patsies easily riled up by the most outlandish nonsense – and more than willing to vote against their own self-interest.
When are you GOP-voting fools going to wake up and smell the coffee? YOU ARE BEING USED!
The GOP didn't take Obama to court because their candidate had the exact same eligibility problems. They were both born with dual-citizenships, thus dual-allegiances, hence ineligible to be POTUS.
I think the one being used is you. Obama has you convinced hook, line and sinker that everything he says is 100% true. When have you ever known a politician to be honest?
And for every GOP-voting fool there is at least one matching Democrat voting fool spouting "Bush lied" nonsense – and more than willing to extort what doesn't belong to them via taxes. A pox on both their houses!
The Republicans won't do anything because they are controlled by the same Khazars that control the Democrats, the ones that killed Kennedy for revealing the truth and confronting it. All those who have gone before and after Kennedy are cowards.
The whole "birther" argument was actually brought about by a liberal Democrat, Phillip Berg.
I think most birthers don't have the intellect to formulate a political agenda. They're just repeating what someone else said because it feeds into their personal agenda of racism (Pres. Obama is black and they don't like the idea of a black president of the U.S. Also, he's black with a foreign sounding name so he's a Muslim.) These people will never go away. If this issue is finally put to rest, they'll find some other anti-Obama bandwagon to jump on.
....OOPS....This has got to BE the Childrens Page.....!?!
"Throughout the interview, Abercrombie was dripping with disgust for the birthers"
Yes, because we surely wouldn't ever want to give people something like freedom of speech, would we? Really, what does it hurt to let people have their opinion? Just another arrogant "progressive".
The birthers real problem with President Obama is that he was not born to slave decendents therefore they don't consider him to be an American citizen. These people will never change because they are too hateful and ignorant to accept the law of the land.
Come on people..... If you have ONE American parent it does NOT matter where on earth you are born, you are an American. How do I know? My grandchildren were born in the Bahamas, their father is from the Bahamas and they are considered American even tho they live there. The U.S. Government issued their passports. This has been the law of our land since it began, period.
Of course TEXAS has taken the lead in trying to keep Obama off the 2012 ballot. Too bad Sherman didn't head West after burning Atlanta.
President does not need to do anything beyond what was asked of the other 43 presidents before him. There is a protocol in place for those who seek this office, and if it worked for the other 43 beofre him, it should work for this President as well, regardless of his color of skin!
It would be quite easy to prove whether Obama was born in Hawaii or not. For some reason, he prefers to keep the question alive. It could be as cover for all the other documents about his life that he has spent a couple million dollars to keep from the American voters.
My father was born at home, on a farm in South Dakota in 1929. No doctor present. Grandpa finally got around to telling sombody a month or so later. He had to guess what day that was. My Dad's Birth Certificate is really just a notation in a ledger at the Moody County Courthouse in Flandreau. Good thing he didn't run for President! Of course, he's a white guy, so his citizenship would never have been questioned.
OK, this is getting dumb! What do you (birthers) need to prove "O" is a U.S citizen? Birth certificate? eye witnesses? video? I mean what? did you know john McCain was born in Panama? But who cares! "Birthers for truth" should be "Birthers for the insane crazy people".
The ones who actually believe he is not a citizen don't want to know any different. There is nothing you could do or say because these nut jobs only believe what they want to. It is one of the dumbest issues i have ever seen. When you hear one of these "Birthers,"you realize they live where the buses don't run. This is one of those stupid rumors that Fox entertainment network(beck,Hannity, Palin) loved to spread. They will say or do anything they can to try to dishonor our President. They generally appeal to the mentally challenged who will believe anything that comes out of the Fox entertainers mouths..
His efforts are laudable, but the fruit loops who continue to claim that Obama was born in Kenya will continue to insist that regardless. Facts don't matter to many on the right and the Fox "News" crowd. Better to just ignore this and move on.
It really doesn't matter if he has a birth certificate or not....he was born to an American citizen, his mother. Doesn't matter where he was born, he's a citizen if his mother was. Is this really such a hard thing to understand? It's really quite simple.
Why is it that these "birthers" are sooooo convinced that President Obama was not born in American (Honolulu Hawaii to be exact)? To this very day I still haven't seen a legitimate proof from these "birthers" to back up there argument. Well, the bottomline
wow I just read Jerry, Florida's comment I thought the buses ran in Florida but eveidently they don't run where he lives.Lives where the busues don't run is an expression just like two sandwiches short of a picnic basket '
I don't see why Obama can't produce and show his own birth certificate in the first place, why does a Governor have do it ?
Obama is a liar, a con, a chameleon, a fraud, a deceiver. The real problem with America is that most Americans don't care because they are just like Obama, takers and users.
Why waist taxpayers' money on this? The "birthers" will not be convinced of his birth if Jesus Christ Himself came from heaven and showed them the president’s birth certificate. If Obama was of another race, this would not even be an issue. They know he was born in the USA but this is the only excuse they have to delegitimize his position. I say, let the ignorant bask in their stupidity. If they want to keep this nonsense going for another four years, by all means, let them continue to show their narrow mindedness.
Why is it that these "birthers" are sooooo convinced that President Obama was not born in American (Honolulu Hawaii to be exact)? To this very day I still haven't seen a legitimate proof from these "birthers" to back up there argument. Well, the bottomline is that, President Obama got elected into the highest office, he legitimately out right won the Presidential seat
Hmmm, Hawaii is his 'home-state' – then why the heck was he a Senator from ILLINOIS????? Seems this bozo will go whichever way the wind blows & now it's winter so off to the 'Aloha Stae' – home sweet home, NOT!!!
So I guess you must be pretty steamed at GWB for pretending to be from Texas when he's really from Connecticut, right?
yep. no black people alowwed to move between.... right, white supremicist?
i've lived in 8 states. i'm white. bush lived in several. so is he. that makes us illegitimate - or you a reprehensible, racist @sshoile? back to you, sc#mbag.
'Hmmm, Hawaii is his 'home-state' – then why the heck was he a Senator from ILLINOIS????? Seems this bozo will go whichever way the wind blows & now it's winter so off to the 'Aloha Stae"
Because he has lived in Chicago since mid 1980's you bozo.
Perhaps another try in grade school is in order? There is a difference between home and residence. I, for example, was rased in Utah but have lived in California for the past 15 years. My residence is in California, my home in Utah.
Uhhh, because he later moved to and worked in Illinois maybe? You know, they do have things now called cars and airplanes to transport you from point a to point b. Is EVERYONE still living and working in the state that they were born at in the US? No, I don't think so. But of course as far as you're concerned, there has to be an alternative motive when it comes to Pres. Obama, right?
They said it was his home state because of his origin of birth, meaning what he calls home. Plenty of people do that, nothing unusual at all. Bet you can't name where Sen. McCain's birth origin is, but of course you don't question his citizenship, do you?
George W. was born in Connecticut, but passed himself off as a cowboy from Texas. Steve, will you find any reason to find fault with Obama, who as far as I can tell has kept us from a depression?
This country is filled with "Steves", ignorami who are generally ignored.
I think I'd rather have a 'depression'(if we don't have one already) than all this Socialist BS that's being rammed down our throats!! For being a 'Representative' of the People of the United States, I'm sorry, but he's not what I had imagined he would be – using some 'Palin-ese' – How's that Hopey Changey thing working out for ya??? LOL
@Steve: The president is NOT the people's representative. Learn how the government works and then come back and talk with the grown-ups.
@Steve: I think the diagnosis (for you) is worse (and more depressing) than depression. It's hebephrenic schizoprenia, a degenerative disorder of personality and reasoning ability. The prognosis (already realized) is grim.
Steve...you either have no clue what the word 'socialist' actually means, or no clue how our government is being run. I guess that's what you get for just repeating the talking points of others rather than do any bona fide research to see if the drivel coming out of your mouth is true. Furthermore, if you prefer we had a depression, you really are an American-hating moron.
@Steve – Save the Faux news talking points for somebody who actually cares and buys into that bull.
So? That proves NOTHING.
I'm from Kansas, but I live in California. Does that mean if I run for office, I have get elected in Kansas to represent Kansans? Your logic is stupefying.
You don't necessarily have to represent the state you were born in, but you do have to represent the state you officially reside in. Elizabeth Dole is a great example. Even though she hadn't actually lived in North Carolina for over 40 years, she transferred her residency back to North Carolina from the District of Columbia, just to run for Jesse Helms's seat. She won, served her time, then in her reelection bid tried to paint Kay Hagan as an atheist. We voted her out of office for breaking the commandment that says "do not bear false witness against your neighbor" – and really, who needs a neighbor like Dole?
Wow! This is typical of some of the idiotic posts I'm seeing here. Ronald Reagan was born in Illinois and Arnold Schwarzenegger was born in Austria, yet both were governor of California. That must drive you crazy.
Steve: you do realize that McCain wasn't born in Arizona and didn't move there until he married his mistress, right? You do realize that politicians all over the country are representing states where they weren't born, right?
Steve, George W. Bush was born in Connecticut, but he was Governor of Texas. Just because you were born and lived most of your life there, does not mean you can not run for office in another state after you have met residency requirements for that office. Heck Ronald Regan was born in Tampico, Illinois. I guess he should not have been Governor of California.
Right on, Steve! And McCain was born in Panama and now he's the senator from ARIZONA????? What's up with that?
I guess you never moved out of your tree, Steve???
What a dumb thing to say!!! You really don't know that you can move anywhere in the U.S. that you want????
I wonder why you don't have the same quesitive mind when it comes to the Bush's . Dubya was born in New Haven, Connecticut, why was he governor of Texas, Jebb Bush was born in Texas, why was he governor of Florida, and why don't you have same wonderment of those two?....But let me help you feeble FOXLIES induced bigotries, ITS BECAUSE WE ARE A FREE COUNTRY, and believe it or not people can change their residency from state to state...weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee........maybe turn off the FOXLIES indoctrination just for a few days, you will start to return to normal eventually.
President Obama was a Senator from Illinois because he moved there and established residency. Just like when you move to another state, you establish residency, get a new driver's license, register to vote, etc., etc., etc.
PLEASE do just a teensy bit of thinking before you post!
Not just W being born in Connecticut, Reagan was born in Illinois. Since you are so dumb I'll explain-Reagan moved as was his right, he later became governor of California and then President. Bush, Reagan and Obama moved. Some people never go anywhere, live in the same house and then post incorrect information like Steve.
What "Socialist BS"? Supporting public education, trying to make Social Security solvent, funding VA hospitals, supporting Medicare, investing in infrastructure like roads and highways and bridges? Or is it health care reform you don't like; you know, where insurance companies can't drop you if you get sick or deny coverage for pre-existing conditions or your child happens to be born with disabilities or making health insurance companies spend more on actual health care and less on CEO's salaries (who make an AVERAGE of $14 MILLION a year)?
Be specific in your complaints – and stop parroting the stooges at Fox!
or being FORCED to buy something I may not want. That's being rammed down our throats. No, No Fox News here. Just someone who wants the Gov't to saty out of my decisions & life.
Guess you haven't noticed people move. Go to school in different states, get jobs in different states etc. You're obvioulsy on the internet but yet living in the 1800's......very perplexing indeed! Just let me assure you President Obama is NOT the first person to do that nor his he the first politicican to do that. Even those much more moral and partiotic Republicans have done that! YIKES!!!! Scary but true!!!! Now, onto those horesless buggies! They're what's made this moving thing so common place.....we'lll get you into the 21st century yet!
So wait, if you want to be president you should be sure, from birth, to never let your parents move you out of the state in which you were born? Is that right?
Try and keep up. He was born in Hawaii, his home state.
Anyone who thinks that a non American can run for and win the American presidency is unwise. None of the previous Presidents had to deal with this much scrutiny, and none have been forced to disprove what is essentially a rumor. I forgo Bush bashing, but my God, he used bad info to start two wars, and you hatemongers want to see a birth certificate? Its veiled racism yet again.
To All birthers, only God knows what motivates you and what your true agenda is, but from my point of view you will be respected a whole lot more if you if you just be brave and say you are a racist rate.
It wouldnt matter if Jesus came and and declared to them that Obama is a citizen the birthers wouldnt believe it. It should be enough that the then Republican govenor released Obamas Certificate of Live Birth which is equal to a birth cirtificate in Hawaii and declared that he IS a legal Citizen.
President Obama's home state is Hawaii, became a Senator of Illinois to expand his political career...last I remember there are a handful of politicians who were born from another state that they are representing...its called political footsteps...
People move, you know.
I guess his mother wasn't a citizen either. If he was born in another country it would only take 2 signatures on one form to make him eligible to be President. Just notice how this birther movement is coming from the South and just ignore it.
Cut to the chase. The birther idiots are upset for one reason and one reason only. A BLACK MAN is in the WHITE HOUSE!!!!!
These are the same people that gripe about government spending and then go home and cash their goverment disability check riding on the scooter paid for with Medicaid/Medicare. We need 2nd Amendment remedies for these morons. And it would actually raise our national IQ once we rid ourselves of these idiots.
It is about time we got a politician with enough spine to simply publish the President's official government recorded Birth Certificate.
There have been several from the state of Hawaii that have shown it. But how can you please someone like yourself that would question whether or not water is really wet? I mean what's the point of trying to defend yourself against people that refuse to accept the verified and proven truth.
You can't, you'll always be wrong even if Jesus Christ walked up to you and handed you Obama's birth certificate, you would still question Jesus, simply because it's Pres. Obama! What's the point?
Obama did, you are lost, get over it already dear God, funny how the birthers are the same ones who claim Obama is not a Christian and a Muslim, I just wonder why they just all don't go all the way and join the KKK
Or a citizen with enough spine to gracefully accept the truth and stop beating that poor, dead horse.
It has been widely available in the mainstream press for over three and one half years at this point.
Multiple high resolution photos are available at:
But sadly, I assume that you feel that anyone who doesn't believe in your conspiracy theory is part of the cover-up.
That is what crazy or hate driven people think.
Legally, that cannot be done. Birth certificates are considered confidential documents and not for public viewing. What we call a "birth certificate" is actually a "certification of live birth" as mentioned all over this discussion.
Ever heard of "I won't dignify that with a response"? Why should President Obama go above and beyond to try to prove his citizenship to a bunch of yahoos who won't believe him anyway? If it's good enough for all the federal investigative agencies that have already confirmed that President Obama was born in Hawaii, then it's good enough for me.
And if it's not good enough for you, why don't you just get the heck out of my country?
This is the same thing Karl Rove did to destroy John McCain in S.C. Rove said that McCain had a halfblack daughter and he lost S.C. This is nothing more than a racist talking point. They'll never say it in public because they know they'll get laughed at. This conversation usually takes place in the woods over a dead deer.
The birthers are no different than those who deny the Holocaust. No amount of evidence will convince them of the truth. But I do hope the new Governer is successful in enlightening the Americans who still believe this birther hogwash.
One word from Obama and the Long Form Birth Certificate could be released. Any other talk is smoke and mirrors. Abercrombie doesn't need to talk to his attorney general or the state's Health Department director. He needs to call Obama and get his authorization to release the Long Form Birth Certificate... 'nuf said.
I remember when I were born a white docter slape.me... and said you are a cau.baby I said look again doc. I made two track and the third were a black dot and he said you got me this time. With that said we have to except the record as it stand.
Birthers and irrational Obama haters are just a bunch of racists in disguise. Enough said.
Steve, your bitterness is showing. Americans are people who move around quite bit and therefore they have different homes at different times. Home state is where one is born, brilliant one. I don't know how many Americans would rather be shoveling snow back East this past week or would rather be in Hawaii at this time of year. All the Presidents visit outside of DC during the holiday season during our lifetime and no one complained before. Their work follows them too, so they are all entitled to some joy,
Get a life birthers. You're efforts will amount to nothing. Use your time wisely, like gardening.
I can't be believe I'm actually asking this question, but if the President produces a genuine birth certificate that passes even the riduculously impossible standards the Birthers have set, will you stop wasting your lives on this and get a move on with some other issue, like the Free Mason/One-World Government/ global-warming/ Trilateral Commission/Jewish/Islamic/Nazi/Socialist/Communist/fluoridation-in-our-drinking-water conspiracy that even now is threatening to destroy our precious bodily fluids? I mean, at our meeting last week we had 3 people there: we would have had more, but Tom is moving from his parents' garage to the basement since he spent his allowance on a thermal imager to go ghost hunting.
In all seriousness, get a life: you all demean our liberties and freedoms with this bull, and cheapen the sacrifice our military and all our public servants make with their service. Take the tinfoil hats off: there are no UN helicopters spying on your worhtless butts: you're just not that important.
The way Obama acts he is extra terrestrial. He doesn't have any values. He lies and misleads. He has a socialist agenda. He is using race to divide us. Ken Krieger Cape Coral, Florida
You are watching way too much FOX News.
And long as FOX/FAUX News tells you so, as far as you're considered it must be true! Because they're the only ones that talk the way you do. You make absolutely no sense to any rationale person living. Except to a person that follows FOX news 24/7, which you certainly sound the part.
How is he using "race to divide us"???? It's colossally ignorant tools like yourself that can't stomach the fact a black man is President. Socialist agenda...as opposed to the blatant Nazi agenda of the previous administration. Some people's kids...
Look who is calling Obama names!
Gee Kenneth, where have we heard all that before, hmm? You can invariably tell a tea-bagger post; they're all repetitions of the same tired talking points. Do you feel better Kenneth, now that you've exposed your own ignorance?
At least get some NEW wrong information, OK? You're a waste of time!
Tea Partiers are not haters. We are just old people who want a conservative America. We should rename our group the Constitutionist party. Dont be so mean
Catie, you would be considered a left-wing radical if you were a true Constitutionalist. When our Founding Fathers decided to revolt against the Crown, they had specific ideas about how a country should be run. Their ideas were considered beyond radical for the time and other countries considered our new-born nation dangerous in the extreme.
Besides, you show your ignorance when you think the Constitution is a static, conservative document. It was designed to be adjusted with the times (amendments, court rulings, Congress having the power to make laws, etc.). But if you claim to be a member of the Tea Party, that shows that you will never let the facts get in the way.
@Catie – 'Constitutionalists'? Riiight. Suuure. Actions speak so much louder than words.
Not only that, they can't spell or write grammatically correct English! Sheesh!
What year were you born in Kenneth? And are you teaching your children to be as hateful as yourself?
and why isn't it about race..never seen a WHITE PRESIDENT... have to prove his place of birth...and I am white so with me it's not about race..it's about giving this president the respect we give all WHITE presidents
Ken–Do you receive Medicare or Social Security? If not, are you planning on it? Did you have a public education? If you answer yes to any of these questions, you better rethink your distaste for socialist agendas. On lies and misleads: did the Bush administration provide honest info about why we had to invade Iraq? Weapons of mass destruction, and 9/11 ties to Iraq were lies meant to mislead the American people. A lot of lies came from the Bush administraiton that were meant to mislead the Americans into a state of fear so they could push their agendas thru with ease.
You are one misguided sperm your mother should have aborted. The Pope would have supported flushing you down the drain where microbes like you should live.
There, there, kenneth. Don't get yourself wound up – should be pill time in a few hours. Put the Kenny G on and make yourself a little cup of hot cocoa in the meantime. If Obama was really an alien, he would have had you transported to the mothership by now anyway.
Someone likes Fox News...
Adding to that, obama is also a coward. He blames housing crisis on bush, bush and bush.
In reality, if you dig even CNN archives, barney frank and chris dodd and democrats were responsible for this with their
socialist agenda for providing affordable housing to those who cant afford at all.
Democrats want to maintain middle class vote and they want america to be more third world like. Its in their interest, they can then promise free health car, unlimited employment benefits to get all the votes and at the same time , they will ruin america from within b their corrupt practices.
It is amazing, you and other tea partiers, we never heard a word from your kind during the 8 years of George Bush. He lied almost every time he opened his mouth. Please do this one thing; Pray for President Barack Obama, thank you!
Kenny, I bet you have a middle name of Kerns or Kase. Then you would have the most interesting initials, KKK.
Why do you think extraterrestrials have no values? Do you know any? Are they intra, or extra-solar? Have they abducted you? Do you carry a grudge? How do they overcome the light-speed barrier, or have they journeyed at horrific expense at sub-light speed? Are they disappointed at what they have found?
Kenneth Krieger – Yes, President Obama is bi-racial, but he definitely looks black. Granted. But that is how he happens to look. He isn't doing it on purpose to "divide" us. You people who cannot accept the fact that he isn't white are who is dividing this Country. You are constantly fomenting hatred, prejudice, bigotry and mistrust towards this man. I don't see any black people rioting in the streets because you tbagger types and hate-mongers are creating all this fear and anger towards Obama because he looks black. Most of America is okay with it, you are the unhappy bunch who just won't accept it. You really should, because he has done a good job considering the mess he was left with and he is going to be our President for the next 6 years. Get used to it!!!
Election of a black President shows you how far this country has come; Irrational hatred of a black President shows you how far this country has yet to go.
1. Barack H. Obama is the current President of America.
2. President Obama's homestate is Hawaii.
3. President Obama has a Kenyan heritage.
With all due respect, I disagree when the governor says this isn't up to the president. I'm not a birther, but I can see very plainly how Obama's refusal to end the controversy once and for all is only fueling the fire. Show irrefutable proof and these people go to the fringe where they belong. Keep acting like you're trying to hide something, and you reap what you sow. Obama should respect the office himself by proving his eligibility for the office beyond doubt...not have a family friend cover his butt.
1. Barack H. Obama is the current President of America.
2. President Obama's homestate is Hawaii.
3. Served as a Senator of the state of Illinois.
4. Got elected into the highest office in America.
That socialist agenda stuff always give me the giggles. He's so far from being a socialist it's not funny. Social Security? Medicare? Medicaid? All socialist programs from Obama??
I wish the new governor wouldn't do this. I would he just ignore these idiots and not dignify their insanity.
Gov. Abercrombie your heart is in the right place and you're doing the Right Thing, but confronting the "birthers" with the hard fact of Obama's origin in Hawaii is a waste of time; these people simply do not respect facts that negate their bigoted beliefs. Birthers: maintain your death-grip on your guns and your religion; you've proved you're too stupid to contribute to society so that's probably what will keep you out of jail!
This was kinda my attitude as I was reading this, but these people don't understand that they've been manipulated by propaganda. The only thing left we can do is to shut them up so they'll stop annoying reasonable, logical people.
I'll keep my death grip on my guns and religion as long as the Constitution remains in effect. If you would like to abolish the 1st and 2nd amendment then you should just say so.
There seems to be something in the original birth certificate that they do not want released.
The plot thickens!
just wondering if the organization that says, the truth matters, is censoring everything i write.
No way he'll put an end to this. All he can do is what's been done repeatedly: state the demonstrable facts. But he's dealing with a social psychosis. A proportion of the population–not very large, thank God–is intent upon believing something that embodies one of its worst phobias, an alien other within the sacred precinct of home territory. The birthers, apart from a few who know the notion is inane but are exploiting it cynically–have medieval mind sets. Facts as such can't sway their sort of certainty, because facts challenge an entire way of dealing with actuality via sheer fiction.
You people are demonstrably dense. Abercrombie has NO facts that change anything. What Abercrombie will prove is one of two things – that Obama, Sr. was Barry's father or that he wasn't. That's it. Barry is either ineligible to be the POTUS or is a liar who falsified his documentation to become the POTUS. Either way, he should NOT retain possession of the Oval Office.
Good point! Ignorance is an evil but exploiting that ignorance the way the wing-nuts do is cynicism at a criminal level. Your term 'social psychosis' goes right to the heart of it!
Stating facts just makes us all 'elite'.....They hate smart people and the 'elite'.....because they are inbred.....
For myself... I WANT the elite(the best and brightest) running my country.That will give us the best chance of success..sure don't want a toothless hillbilly trying!!!!
Yes, Obama is Japanese...Hawaii is part Japan...and American belongs to the native indians. We are all immigrants, we should be ruled by native indians forced out of politics and not rednecks.
whoever is moderating my comment, why doesnt cnn report on world trade center 7, or bilderberg, or the fact that the federal reserve is not federal, it is a private bank. did you know that walmart is going to put in telescreens that encourage people to spy on their neighbors, which is flatout big brother? why are you not reporting these facts?
@ Total Facts: my son had a claim denied by a privately-funded death panel based upon a pre-existing condition: does that make you feel better, knowing that that the denail was from someone exercising the freedom of the marketplace? What did a 12 year-old do to deserve that?
Your screaming about the death panels is something that has been proven to be about end-of-life planning: however, prior to health reform insurance companies were making decisions based on funding, not a quality-of-life issues which do fall within the pervue of the medical profession. Its amazing that the side that prattles on about the snctity of life the most will side with a worthless bean-counter over the doctor and the patient. By the way, I did read the bill, and there was never any moves to kill Grandma: I'm sure you never read the bill, but I'm sure you have your DVR set to record all the episodes of "Sarah Palin's Alaska" so you can play them at your conspiracy meetings.
These poor, ignorant, bigoted birthers... their minds are made up, don't confuse them with the facts and the truth. Just a bunch of ignorant Rethuglicans. They believe any swill coming from the mouth of Palin and the other loser Repubs. They can't think for themselves. Just like ignorant sheep.
Bottom Line, Obama does no that the same color of skin that the birthers have, therefore, any document to prove Obama's citizenship will never be good enough.
Shameful that after all of this time, this once great nation has reverted back to the 1950s, because of a few bad apples.
"The earth began 6,000 years ago, the Bible is “fact” as is, the earth is flat, the sun revolves around the earth, uh….can’t remember the other stuff." How wrong you are the bible dose say that the world is round and never states that the sun revolves around the sun please read the bible before you try to tell others what it says. Job 26:10, prov 8:27, isaiah 40:22, amos 9:6
HEY "STEVE", You can be a Senator from any state you are a resident of. You don't need to be born in that state to represent it. Check your facts... bonehead!!! So full of hate.
I am a white person...all I see is this being a racist move..cause he's black?..hmmm...never asked to see george bush's birth certificate...
Yeah, let's find out once and for all. I'm surprised no hospital has come forward and bragged about being the birthplace of the first african-american president. He should of been honest about his situation from the start, now he's caught in a web of uncertainties.
For the countriy's sake, i hope he was really born here, if it's proven otherwise, it could get ugly, especially for the media. They seemed to want to not address this issue at all. this could of been solved along time ago
never seen a white president have to prove....his place of birth...these brithers..are racist people who can't stand the fact we have a black president
I cannot believe that this a being rehashed again. The birthers get the story repeated, those who do not like the President weigh in if you can call it that, and we get some quoted form the Bible.
With so many people in so many parts of the world facing huge problems, unemployment, recession and more I think we can all agree to disagree and move on. Someone with influence needs to stop this nonsense.
The paranoia and sense of victimhood that drives that the Tea Party and the Glenn Beckites won't allow the birther idea to be put to rest. How else can they fight the fact that a "brown other," a person "not like them" was elected democratically to our nation's highest office? Simple: by denying the legitimacy of his claim to that office. You cannot set the record straight with the delusional because they won't accept the record itself.
White trash can't be reasoned with. That's Birthers.
Unless Abercrombie makes Obama as white as John McCAin, NONE of the idiotic birthers will believe or should I say accept his citizenship.
It is folley to think the idiots just want proof of citizenship, it is nothing less than a ploy the racists are using.
Racist opinion noted – and rejected.
Your name becomes you. Please try to at least appear intelligent and you can start by refraining from the terms "idiot and racist." Unless and until Mr. Obama's eligibility is proven by a "long form" birth certificate, which includes the name of the attending physician and the hospital of his birth, along with his footprint and is notarized and not a digitally generated certificate of live birth which anyone can get, he Is NOT proven eligible.
A point in fact, McCain was thoroughly vetted for the presidency even though he was born of two American citizens at a U. S. Naval base in Panama while his father was on duty there. There was no valid question of his citizenship, however the far left went to great lengths to try to make it sound as if his eligibility was in question. How soon we forget, although we can fault the main stream media for not doing there journalistic duty to inform rather than influence the public. Oh for the days of honest reporting.
Rudedog, with all due respect. Mr Obama doesnt even recognize the half white side of himself. He forgot all about his white half when he became elected. I pray for him everyday and I respect the office of the president but I dont respect him as the President and I dont trust him at all. The hairs on the back of my neck stand up when he talks, like he is always fibbing. And by the way, I dont like him because I dont like him it has nothing to do with him being black, what a cheap shot
If your distrust and distaste for him had nothing to do with his ethnicity or race, then WHY was his ethnicity your OPENING sentence? Careful- your ROOTS are showing...
catie, the teabaggers don't recognize that half of him either.
Catie, you are the "hater" here as you call others that name. The President plays up his blackness because he wants minorities to know that they can achieve the same things as "whites" have achieved. That does involved educating oneself, among other things. Irish Americans, who maybe only have a small portion of Irish blood in them are very proud people of playing up that aspect. I bet you won't equate that with what the President may be doing???? And this smart thoughtful man has become the first person in this respect so therefore that is definitely going to make the history books.
Catie – you may not realize it, but you have a deep-seated hatred of black people, just as Glenn Beck has accused Obama of having a deep-seated hatred of white people. Obama's mother was white, his grandparents that helped raise him were white, his advisors in the Administration are mostly white. HIs Cabinet is mostly white, he has many white friends, both from college and his career. Where do you get the idea he favors black people? They have a higher unemployment rate in this Country than white people current do. How is that favoritism. Is he giving them jobs we don't know about? Did he let them all out of prison and keep only the white people behind bars? Did he kick white people out of their homes and put black people in them? Give us some facts that supports your comment that he "favors" black people. You are delusional just like your friends at Fox, Beck, Palin, Huckabee, Hinnsanity, and let's not forget about Limpbag. You are very gullible and obviously swallow all the propaganda they spew out each and every day. Stop listening to them. Clear your head, if that is at all possible!
You call us racists because we don't agree with Obama. I personally don't care where he was born. I do care how you people badmouth Sarah Palin who has done nothing to you. First let me say I was a Democrat 6 months into Obama's term. Meaning I voted for him. So call me a racist if you will. But the biggest haters I've seen on here is not white but they are black. HATRED of a nature I do not understand. Slavery has been overwith for 150 years. Everyone has a chance to lead, follow or get the hell out of the way. Palin has her rights just as Obama had his. He has not led us in a path of a better future. OH I know you will say Bush, War, and anything you can drum up to change a fact. The fact is he has us in tremendous debt and is taking outlandish vacations at costs of billions to taxpayers. He spends money like no tomorrow. Michele with 23 aides. $3,500,000 in slaries. No time in history has a first lady required more than three and that was Hillary. Some even paid for thir own aides. OH No not the Obamas. they think they have it coming. You will if you'll slow down enough to think because your livilhood depends on it. Obama is taking America down the road to destruction. WHY is he doing this? I remember the words, 'G.. D...! AMERICA. DO YOU NOT. No wonder the whites are suspicious of everything this man does. And you people set idly by thinking everything he is doing is quite alright. Well a year from now remember my words. AMERICA WILL HAVE NO MIDDLE CLASS. ONLY THE POOREST OF THE POOR WITH NO GOVERNMENT HELP.
Sorry about it "Total Facts" but your name is WRONG. Millions of us whites, who are not poor, appreciate this President.
If you don't care where he was born, then why do you care so much about where he was born?
The 2008 White House Office (www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/opinions/graphics/2008stafflistsalary_title.html) Staff List, issued during the final year of President George W. Bush's tenure in office, includes sixteen different staffers with the words "First Lady" in their position titles — exactly the same number as that listed for Michelle Obama in 2009.
Could you PLEASE stop posting these silly Internet rumors and do a little honest research before you post?
I don't get your rantings about a person's race and how they feel about President Obama ... I'm white and I strongly support him. I DO NOT support Palin ... you say she's done nothing to harm me ... what about being an example to every female as to exactly what NOT to be? Namely, a quitter, a liar and a mooch. Not to mention a hypocritical so-called Christian who inspires unthinking hatred in her followers? For someone who supposedly hates the media, she certainly has no qualms putting her face in the news every day.
And finally, and this is the kicker for me: What is it about her son Trig that she can't stand to be around him? She went back to work 5 days after he was born and only brings him out these days to use as a political prop. I just can't stomach a woman abandoning her child like that!
I'm white, and I’m not suspicious at all of President Obama.
You've said in one of your posts "Also I WILL ADVISE YOU THE COST OF SPENDING IN A BUDGET IS DONE YEAR TO YEAR." Actually, it's not. There's no way it could be. Earmarks for instance, are budgeted years in advance. So is infrastructure, defense, education, etc. That's why we have so many "supplemental spending bills." The supplementals are for emergency spending in the year in which they are approved by congress.
I'm not going to call you names and I believe that you were in the military (kind of odd that you don't reference your unit(s) though), so thank you for your service. I will say that you are a tremendously inarticulate spokesperson for Palin. If you are indicative of the typical Palin supporter, I’m feeling much better about President Obama’s re-election in 2012. Please keep posting your enthusiasm for Palin and your hatred for President Obama. After reading your posts, I think the best course of action for David Plouffe is to simply brand your rambling incoherent utterances as mainstream republican.
TOTAL FACTS=The irony of this is killing me. So Total Facts are believing everything you hear because it suits your political agenda? yeah that's cute, must be your first run in politics, specifically if your changing isles that easy. Please kid, grow up and read some books and get back to us. Lose the idiotic SN by the way, maybe something relevant to your situation. Like...LEFT BEHIND.
i wish the birthers were just man enough to say its not about his birthplace..they just dont like a black guy in the office. Most of the birthers are sort of uneducated rednecks. He has done all he is required to to prove his birthplace. I dont remember any birther asking McCain to see his birth certificate...and he never has. Hmm I wonder why....yee haw rednecks
birthers = bonafide racists that cant get over the fact that we have a (Black, Bi-Racial, Mixed) man with a funny sounding name as the President of the USA...
Good luck Governor !
Obama! The most impressive president in my time....52 years old...Obama 2012 !
Of course Obama has a "legal" birth certificate showing he was born in Hawaii. Just like all of those 12 year old Chinese gymnasts had "legal" birth certificates showing that they were 14.
Every birther I know is over 70, heavily medicated, and is an avid viewer of Faux News. What were the demographics of the high scoring birther polls, anyway, and how were they funded?
You can have first-person eye-witnesses to see Obama's birth and it STILL won't satisfy the obvious white racist "birthers" that infest this country. Face it, they are vindictive, obnoxious, minority-hating pests that need to be called out on. Really, they need to get over themselves. Obama IS the President of the United States. If they want this so-called "REAL" certificate, I want to see the missing W.M.D.'s that George W. Bush said were in Iraq. Nukes for a birth certificate. How about it, "birthers?" You got those missing Iraqi W.M.D.'s on ya?
1) Present the frigging thing. Quit saying we won't believe it even if we see it. It hasn't been produced. What is the respect issue? How is it disrespectful to ask for absolute proof of his birth.
2) Someone also wrote that his mother wouldn't have made it up thinking that some day he may become president. No, but she might have realized that that may be the way he could qualify for handouts if he didn't want to find a real job. Maybe she recognized that he would probably be a free-loader; which bye the way, he has turned out to be!
They have presented it to all the people who count. As far as him being a freeloader I would be willing to bet he has more money then you. As well as intelligence.
umm, didn't Pres. Obama's aunt say he was not born in Hawaii?
p.s. not the illtegal aunt running around the country who now miraculously can stay here legally...but the other aunt.
@ jerry, florida.............Are you really that out of touch with current events or are you just a natural a$$hole who doesn't know sh*t about sh*t, but enjoys running his mouth on blogs to garner attention.........Then again seeing that you're one of those racist sh*theads from florida pretty much tells me all I need to know about you.........They grow stupidity and ignorance like fruit in Florida and your moronic post proves it..........GET A CLUE!!!!!!!
Hey now! I live in Florida...and my name is Jerry! We're not ALL morons! Promise. :)
Should listen to the radio down there, its like looney tunes but 10x worse.
...and what about Newt Gingrich?? Nobody bothers when he boasts that he's not a global citizen. So where's he from? Some frozen turd in the asteroid belt? And what do they do over there for birth certificates.
Come on guys, this is all completely moronic and embarassing. People back on that Earth where the other known countries are are just laughing their butts off at these birther clowns. Though, armed to the teeth as they are, they're more like an army of John Wayne Gacys...
He'll go out of his way to do what ever Obama tells him.
For all the Willy Browns, it is easy to find out about the President' s birth on the Internet. The President does not want to waste his valuable time debating a nonsense issue. Your stubbornness against the truth is amazing. I guess that really was a space ship you saw last night! Gosh, I guess your teachers really struggled as you would probably argue with them about everything.
Bottomline is that the "birthers" argument does NOT hold any grounds in Judicial Court System. That's why high profile and influential Republicans with common sense have not jumped into the "birthers" band wagon...
admitting that you'll do "whatever it takes" won't do much to end any controversy
This whole argument in a nutshell tells us what's wrong with the political discourse in this country. Technology and the information that it puts at the fingertips of every individual does at least three things. It provides those who are smart and have common sense the information they need to expand their knowledge base. It also provides those who are manipulators and power hungry freaks the ability to twist information to their benefit and then disseminate it to a mass audience. Technology then provides those who are most gullible and ignorant in our society with the "facts" they need to spew the ignorant drivel that these birthers put forth. Your president is a black man, get over it. Once you do you will realize that regardless of his color he's actually a good president who has made some very difficult and courageous decisions in office.
You are smart! Hillary is from I'll, she was the 1st lady of AR, and she is a senator from NY. Clark are naturally stupid or did take years. Teabag, birther, fox news, rush,racists all! Nice to have a voice, but could all u right wing, consciousless, whack jobs exercise the right to be SILENT!
A couple of hours ago, I posted two replies to this "SOUND OFF". Both were innocuous and I did not call anyone an asshole, or any other name. The "moderator" didn't print them. I guess they weren't entertaining enough. which is what counts on this website.
years later and this is still an issue? dont these people think if there was so much as an ounce of truth to this birther nonsense the GOP would have already found it or maybe the conspiracy covers the GOP too yup maybe obama is using his mind control on the whole political party!
Do any of you so called historians know where teddy roosevelt was born? Oh that's right he wouldn't Be the only president officially born in all places germany! OMG
you need to study the constitution more, where mccain was born as compared with obama are 2 separate distinct issues. the question of birthers ONLY has to do with parents are not american citizens and because of this, for the most part only occurs on american soil, mccain was born on an american military installation in panama, to american parents, completely different situation, regarding being president, you are supposed to be only a "natural born citizen" however, since obama was elected and not mccain, again a moot point....troll
That is patently false. To be a natural born citizen, a child must be born on the soil AND of parentS who were citizenS. Both are required and since McCain was NOT born on a military base, he is ineligible to be the POTUS no matter what the idiot Congress said in their unconstitutional proclamation.
On a Positive note, "birthers" argument will actually give President Obama a boost on the 2012 Presidential Race...win or lose on the 2012 Presidential Race, unequivocally President Obama has set his footprint in American history....TRUE FACT! Oh shucks, I should get a copy of the 2008 Presidential Result to back up my statement.
Funny, I was born (and raised) in Hawai'i, and all I have in my possession is a "Certificate of Live Birth" from the state. And it has always been accepted as the equivalent of a birth certificate. Why is this so hard for the birthers to accept? Oh, right, because they're racists!
If Abercrombie can get this done, I don't believe it would do 'the birthers' any good! It won't change their sick minds; they've locked that lie into their biased psyches! No matter what proof is presented or the 'laws of the land' says, OBAMA was not born in AMERICA! The people on this blog who're still thinking the same way are STUPID! EVIDENTLY, proof of the truth, nor facts represent 'a hill of beans' to them and @TOTAL FACTS! I've questioned his nasty stance against OBAMA before! HE LIES AND HE'S EVIL!
HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA; Yo bett'r believ' it bones.
Soooo..... you did lie! Thank you for implicating yourself.
@ LIZ -and Jessy TOTALFACTS lies, is evil, and is a dirty old man who has the hots for Sarah Palin.
This governor wants to pursue the documentation of the genuine and actual birth certificate of President Obama – and yet unsure what he can legally do, this is so bogus. All he has to do is hire his staff to go to the hospital where Obama was born and asked for the records of all medical staff who attended to the delivery, what is so hard about this? It took the federal government, six months, to document my citizenship, my education, my job experiences, my references before they hired me. Obama is President, his birth records should be open. What is he hiding, having all his personal and bio data records, court ordered sealed? Obama has no one to blame for the doubting voters as to his U.S. birth, he caused it himself. Where there is smoke, there is fire, or simply, Obama's actions stink, and the voters wants this issue proven and cleared.
Last word I have to say about the FOXLIES cultist crowd, they remind me of what my grandpappy told me once: Never underestimate stupid and misinformed people in mass numbers......!!!
Obama is a liar and a blot on the spirit of america!
I dont care where he was born but he is a total moron with excellent ability to speak good english.
Ummm... Governor? You'd have more success trying to convince amoebas. Can you really believe anybody in the “birther” group even knows how to use any of their neurons?
It's funny how all you liberals are so full of hatred. Calling anyone you don't like racists or stupid or as*es or any other number of insulting names. You are the unpaid foot soldiers of your political party. Easily prodded into battle by your masters. It is exactly the same on the Fox comments pages; just the roles are reversed so the conservatives do the insulting. This site seems somewhat more juvenile, however. Facts are facts. Obama has never allowed his birth certificate to be seen. I would think he does this to provoke anger on both sides to keep his base involved.
Governor don't waste time, effort, or money on this one. The birthers don't deserve any more of our national attention! Really don't care what they think!
He's wasting his time. Just having an announced intent jeopardizes his status as a truth-seeker.
They'll just say he's part of the plot. (of course, they'd say that in any case. They're not really interested in the truth.)
Here is some advice to the newley elected Democrat...
jsut air a nationally syndicated broadcast on the History channel or the Discovery channel about the document, Obama's legacy in Hawaii, and the nature of conspiracy theories surrounding the whole "birther" phenomenon in one great episode to finally kill the notion that our President is the anti-Christ.
Remember this: You cannot fix stupid! The fact: The President of the United States of America is Barack Hussein Obama, Amen!
First of all , Obama is NOT "entitled to the respect of the office" he had better earn that respect like every other office holder. However, wouldn't it be horrifying if he released the birth registration showing he was actually born in Kenya instead? Oops. And all things considered why is this guy so anxious to "prove" Obama was born in Hawaii at all?
Obama is a Fraud, a Traitor, and a tyrant. what more could the democrats ask for?
Obama, the great fake.
And Obama is a well spoken liberal. Intelligence has NOTHING to do with how well you speak. Intelligence would determine if someone was able to speak without a billion teleprompters...
A Liberal outspoken is the way stupidity hides.
Question: Those "birther" supporters, did they actually do their own research or just went along with what the crowd?
The Gov. doesn't get it – no amount of proof will convince the "skeptics" of Obama's citizenship. Mother Theresa herself could've video taped the event, and they'd still call her a liar.
obama should just release his birth certificate.
Done! That was easy.
There are only two jobs you need to be a "natural born citizen" for, President and Vice President. Since Obama's mother was a US Citizen, he would have been a US Citizen too. But clearly, in August of 1961, his mother realized that while blacks couldn't use the same restroom or eat at the lunch counter as whites, that her son was likely to grow up to become President of the United States, and that is why, after he was accidentally born in Kenya while she was on vacation, she spent large sums of money sending birth announcements to the Honolulu Advertiser and The Honolulu Star-Bulletin via Western Union. Because she was probably very concerned that without an elaborate plot to fake his Hawaii birth, he would end up a normal citizen and stuck in a dead end US Senator job. I don't know why people can't see this.
So many haters on here. People people people. Debate, dont hate.
Catie, from your earlier comments in this blog, you don't recognize yourself. You are one of the "haters."
Problem is, in a debate there is an understanding typically that both sides have atleast a slight clue just a different opinion. Here we have opinions simply not letting in the facts, their problem, not ours. In 2010 they will be doing this still, that is the scary part. It never ends, and its such a tool to keep us off of the important subjects. Sad sad sad, for all their conspiracies they can't see their way through a paper bag. Smoke another one!
@Pat-San Jose Ca, @D-Nice, @ThinkAgain, @Dina, @hillcrester, @JackieInDallas, @rick52, @Paul and to everyone else, who seems to actually see through this vendictive, twisted, charade of an ongoing smokecreen, I just want to say, I personally thank you for taking the time to post your SANE thoughts on this INSANE ISSUE! There are many of us but, we don't always speak up! PRESIDENT OBAMA WAS BORN IN HAWAII! That's exactly why the GOP left it alone; but they're willing to let the LIE drag on with the STUPID!
You're welcome! And what I don't get is how people can't see how they're being used by the GOP to get them to vote against their own self-interest. With friends like that ...
Isn't it ironic that the newly elected Democrat criticizes birthers for having political motives while he spends taxpayers dollars to refute something that he doesn't even think is a legitimation concern. Hypocrisy.
Somebody brought up Palin's "How's all that hopey-changey..." again so again I gotta take up the cudgel. Hope. Remember it? It's that basic little concept that keeps us all going, right? I mean if you don't hold out hope that there's light at the end of the tunnel then why bother continuing the voyage at all? So "hope" is about as serious a concept as there is and we pooh-pooh it at our peril. So for all you self-proclaimed cynics out there, if hope plays no part in your life please have the courage of your convictions by killing yourselves and get out of the way of folks for whom it does!
Wow, you started out so well, but ending your sincere discripition of hope with requesting all who don't agree with you to commit mass suicide, well thats just Palinisticly morbid!...God I HOPE Palin wins the republican nomination, it will be such fun watching, laughing, and in the end, President Obama wins.....that would be grand, well, at least I hope.
My father was born at home and did not have a birth certificate until he enlisted in the navy in WWII. I guess he could never have served as president, at least not as a democrat. This whole controversy surrounding President Obama's birth is just nonsense.
If you are a birther, you are a racist. It's just that simple
After all this time the answer is not clear?
Anything now would only seem fabricated.
What more could be validated? Parent's mailing addresses, rental/owner records, phone/utility records, ....?
Wow, talk about a non-issue....seriously, there are NO Right-Wing Pundits, Theorists, Bloggers, etc. who even still THINKS of entertaining "Birther" thoughts.
Right-Wing Mean-Queen Ann Coulter herself has come right out and called Birthers a bunch of morons
"In a sign of how politically radioactive the issue is..."
CNN editors should tell their reporters to keep their nimrod opinions to themselves and stick to reporting the news. This is not a "politically radioactive issue." This is what slack-jawed GOP supporters do because their brains can't handle anything more complex than a braindead conspiracy theory. End of story.
Who cares what slack-jawed birthers think. Pfft. This is a non-story.
To whoever wrote this article, it might have been helpful if you would have explained what a certification of live birth actually is. I've worked in compliance for a financial services firm, specializing in validating new accounts for Patriot Act compliance, and we were frequently required to request copies of birth certification for clients whose identity we were unable to identify with a background check. We would sometimes get copies of the actual birth certificate, but most of the time, what we would get is a certification of live birth. This is a state-issued document that verifies that a copy of the original birth certificate is on file, and lists relevant personal information that would be sufficient to satisfy the requirements of just about any entity requesting it for identification purposes. From a legal standpoint, there is no substantial difference between a CLB and an actual birth certificate as long as it is stamped with a raised state seal. Obama's CLB was stamped by the state of Hawaii, and there is no legitimate reason to think that it's a fake. So in order to believe that the CLB Obama produced during the campaign is bogus, you would have to believe that there is a vast conspiracy involving numerous employees of the state of Hawaii. And then, you'd still have to explain the existence of birth announcements appearing in two separate Hawaii newspapers shortly after Obama's birth.
The only people who are claiming that there is any doubt about the validity of Obama's citizenship are (1) those who know better, and are trying to dupe low-information voters; and (2) those who don't know better, and who are thus demonstrably unfit to responsibly exercise their right to vote. The birthers, to a man and to a woman, are crooks and fools.
being born on a military base overseas still qualifies a person to run for presidency because it is land the US gov is borrowing from the host country. if Obama hadn't dragged his feet about showing his birth certificate and not waited for this issue to grow, i think it wouldn't be as big of a deal as it has grown to be. of course you will have nay sayers but you cant please everyone. i didnt vote for him and im curious about it, but it's not the end of the world if i don't see it.
My wife, son, and I crossed the border, and back, to Canada to celebrate with relatives on Christmas Eve. I couldn't help but notice: My son's birth certificate clearly states "Certification of Live Birth." In fact, looking at mine from 1973, it states the same thing.
I do have a "birth certificate," which is a big, framable document from the State of Texas and is completely unusable as a legal document... but the actual "birth certificate" is, indeed, a "Certification of Live Birth" for me and my son. And I suspect my parents have told me the truth as to where I was born, and I know for a fact where my son was born.
The birthers need to, simply, shut up when they haven't a clue as to what they are talking about.
A signed and certified Certificate of Live Birth proves who your parents were but does not prove that you are natural born – especially if you were born in Hawaii in 1961 because Hawaii allowed verbal testimony re. the birth rather than requiring hospital or attending doctor's/midwife's sworn statements. In addition, you would need proof that your parents are citizens (passports, birth certificates, naturalization papers, etc.) and that you were born in Hawaii (hospital birth certificate, notarized, sworn statement from those present at the time). A Birth Certificate covers all bases since it includes parent's citizenship info as well as doctors/witnesses signatures attesting to time, date and place of birth.
Our kids need an education, we are working on it, as soon as we get the needles out of their arms. It is what it is.
Gee I guess the governor doesn't have anything better to do than disprove birthers. Either the state of hawaii can function well enough without a governor or abercrombie wants to get in the national media that badly.
Do we really believe that there is more to make this clearer after all this time?
Any further efforts to prove citizenship would invite a conspiracy of fabricating it. Any omissions of records of residency such as rental or ownership, utility billing, etc ... would be demanded.
Doesn't matter any way the people who are out to destroy this President will continue to do so!!! Sad to say!
It's good that this site has mostly intelligent people posting on it – but some of you should go check out the Fox site and post some intelligent comments there to offset the crazies on that site! It's unbelievable!
This issue is for the weak minded simpletons who need to be rounded up and sterilized. Paranoid Glenn Beck morons who can not spell or think for themselves. Glenn Beck is a profiteer who plays you like children. Read about Mormonism and their founder. They are hucksters and liars(at the top level). There are quite a few things I dislike about Obama but I will never align myself with a treasonist tea party fool.
Karl Rove and the Republican Machine who created the "birther" fantasy have no interest in facts.
Facts are just an impediment to them seizing and keeping power.
Power is what this has been about from the beginning to the present.
In the Republican world, the President is not White, so he cannot be an American.
Hate, Greed, Fear, and Intolerance are the only glue that holds the Republicans together.
When that hate dies, their grip on power dies with it.
Liz the First - Thank you! You got it! Phew, a few did. This is so entertaining. But still, not as entertaining as reading a post and discussion/comments on Sarah. Now that's fun. And scary. Boy, are we in trouble with the rest of the civilized world - if some of these people and their "leaders" think they can lead the US!! HELP!
Respect is earned president obama should be respected in your post here because he has earned It.period!
This issue is like "beating a dead horse" "O" is a fucking American citizen!
WOW! I'll take that bet. You people have had your day. Glorify in it if you can. For it will be many, many, many years before America ever makes this mistake again. We thought you had growed up. WRONG> But that's what you get for thinking one ready when they still have an eternity to go. Dumb is dumb and nothing will change that.
Rather than ranting and posting statements that are incredible why not spend your time learning how to spell and how to write a proper English sentence. You may also wish to remember the old saying, "better to be thought a fool, than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt."
"Dumb is dumb and nothing will change that"... so we see.
Boy it's just you-against-the-world eh, Tote? Must be lonely being the last remaining taxpayer; I bet you have to put in some looong hours to support us all. Bet you don't have much time for keeping current, huh? Well, you've got all us welfare cheats to support so we know you don't have time to read up on things; we understand if you need to have your information spoon-fed. Just keep payin' those taxes though dude; Amerika needs you!
(quote) Dumb is dumb and nothing will change that. (end quote)
You're right. Dumb people like you never change. I hope God goes easy on you in the afterlife (*wispers* – I heard he can be rather nasty to liars).
"We thought you had growed up". Yes and we my friend, thought you had gotten an education after the embarrassment that was the last administration. Go figure.
Sounds like you caught a look of yourself in the mirror.
Birthers must have a certain mental defect, they just can't let go of a belief that is proved wrong or incorrect. Since that is the case, I submit that all birthers report to their state's mental health services tonight, and allow full electro shock therapy to begin.
Really, truly, I wish there would be death panels and that they would give immediate judgments on the likes of TOTAL FACTS. He claims to have read the entire health care law though he obviously is barely literate.
Birthers voted for the witch O"Donnell. You can see the connection.
What's my citizenship status?
You're a natural born citizen. You were born of citizen parents and on U.S. soil which means you have no attachment to Germany and Germany has no legal attachment to you (they can't issue a birth certificate and claim you a citizen). Neither Obama or McCain can meet both tests.
I first remember Rush Limbaugh starting this kind of spin. You show the extremes of the other party and make it seem mainstream. The fact CNN is constantly bringing this up is just them showing their left leaning colors. I really don't think the birther movement holds any more sway than the belief that GW Bush orchastrated 911.
Funny how CNN won't let anyone comment on the Michael Vick/Barack Obama story. Very telling about the liberal bias in media.
All politicians are liars.
President Obama is a politician.
Therefore, President Obama is a liar.
Therefore, any assertion without sufficient physical evidence submitted by President Obama will always be met with skepticism.
If he doesn't like it, he should have selected a more trusted profession. Like prostitute or used car salesman.
I just have to ask after 8 yrs of Maniac Manor (aka Bush Admin) do you truly believe this man can do much of anything? Even Hitler asked 4 yrs from the German people! And maybe you would want that result, but most Americans don't involve trivial points that make up less than 1 percent of DNA all humans share
I was born in washington dc. Hey you ignorant birthers and teabaggers does that make me an illegal alien?. I recently got a copy of my birth certificate and yes it was digitized; just like the president.
Oh you recognized yourself, "Dumb is dumb."
Vital statictics in every state began digitizing birth certificates; when the State Dept. require it for passports.
Im don't belived that obama was not born in hawaii
And yet despite YOUR belief, he is my and your President, when will the FOXLIES cult followers realize their heads are being feed a pack of evil lies? If you don't BELIEVE me, then just take my simple FOXLIES challenge, simply stop watching FOXLIES for 30 days and then see if you still believe in their idiocracy, because you see when your in a cult like the FOXLIES followers you have to have a constant daily dose to keep walking in line, like sheep blindly walking into the cave of wolves....
I don't believe it's not butter.
I'm still don't believe you can formulate an intelligent sentence. Go right down the line with these idiots. Hahaha. I love doing it.
You and thinkagain can use that dogma to bring about rahowa, destroy ZOG, and decimate the mud races! Get out of your suburban cave!
As a Canadian, the mess your USA is in but getting better I think, had it been left to McCain or Bush you all would be on the streets. Be thankful for the Pres you have now. You could have done a lot worse especially after looking at the education of these 3 dummies. McCain,Palin and Bush. Wow, glad they are not Canadian or exported them to UK to educate them.
Vital statictics in every state began digitizing birth certificates; when the State Dept. require it for passports. Now that birth certicficates are digitize, the vital statictics in my state does not issue wallet size. They are no longer acceptable.
Sarah Palin on 60 minutes was full of intrique. But, I couldn't help but feel for her win asked if she could run against the President and answered yes with much conviction. But, so did Michael Jackson when asked was ok for children to slEep with me at his age. Irony
Hawaii became a state in 1959. George bush was born in Connecticut, not in Texas. He's just a texan in name only.
why some of you worry about death panel, you are not going to use the health plan so don.t get upset over it. I hope you.ll get to live long and drop dead without any complications
Clearly, many of the brain-dead FAUX NEWS droolers posting on here couldn't produce a certificate of live birth for themselves. What a bunch of morons!
This is still relevant!?
You mean to tell me that of all the state employees in Hawaii, not one of them is a nit wit like these birthers who could have found the real truth in the state records?
Forget it, Guv. The Fox Tea Nuts live in a fact free zone. You couldn't convince them that the earth was round if Beck said it was flat.
Certainly a heated issue. And it is true... these repub idiots will never let it go away. They can't stand Obama. It's even a more heated hatred level than we dems had for Dubya... and he was a complete idiot. The repubs have long sense proven to be small little people with nothing but a divisive agenda. For that reason alone I didn't vote for any repubs last election. And will continue that agenda. Skee-roo those jerks.
Does anyone else suspect that Obama's birth certificate says "WHITE" ?
@ThinkAgain; YOU GO! BEAUTIFUL! BEAUTIFUL! BEAUTIFUL! KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK! You laid the national economical problems right out there at the feet of the people who caused the downward spiral! @TOTAL FACTS is really a TOTAL FOOL! It's like talking to a sign board; he doesn't want to remember where OBAMA started from! He uses his military background as a 'BOO!' TACTIC, to scare people into believing what he says is true! I had breakdown and let him know my familys' military background too! He wasn't UNIQUE!
OB caused this whole birther issue himself. People are naturally skeptical because he has not produced it. WHAT IS SO FU>>>>G hard about producing it and put a FU>>>>g end to the whole FU>>>>G issue?????????? Also, why is he hiding everything from his past?????? HE IS CREATING SKEPTICISM BECAUSE OF THAT ALSO – WHAT IS HE FU>>>>G HIDING????? The people have a right to know-especially because he is appearing untrustworthy by hiding his background. BLAME OB, NOT THE PEOPLE!!!
If the birthers continue to push their goofey accusations into the 2012 election they will be doing Obama a favor. The vast majority of Americans (Dems and Repubs) realize these people are lunatics. Every time this topic comes up it reminds the American electorate of just how wacky the right fringe is. As an independent voter, I certainly hesitate to vote for a party that includes these nuts. I don't think Obama's PR men are all that upset about the birthers hanging around.
@TOTAL FACTS, Where was all of your military knowledge and advice to the BUSH ADMINISTRATION, MR 30 YEAR MAN, when they were LYING and SCHEMING to send us to war in the middle east, IN THE FIRST PLACE? You all have the AUDACITY to call OBAMA a LIAR! THE WHOLE BUSH ERA WAS A TOTAL LIE! HE WASN'T EVEN HONESTLY 'ELECTED'; HE WAS 'SELECTED', BOTH TIMES! You don't have the RIGHT nor ROOM to even think of calling OBAMA a LIAR nor DUMB! Were YOU born here? If yes, that leaves a GREAT CHANCE that he was born here!
OB caused this whole birther issue himself. People are naturally skeptical because he has not produced it. What is so hard about producing the original certificate signed by the doctor and put an end to the whole issue? Also, why is he hiding EVERYTHING from his past? He is creating skepticism because of that also.The people have a right to know-especially because he is appearing untrustworthy by hiding his background. BLAME OB, NOT THE PEOPLE!!!
@total facts. republican equals old dog no new tricks lol. did you read the bill? I'm sure none of the congressman did! lol see u when the end of your corruption spells the end of the country. ps read idiot or is that too hard for u old conservatives?
Abercrombie, a newly-elected Democrat, told CNN that he will do WHATEVER IT TAKES to prove once and for all that Obama was born in Hawaii.
",,, Abercrombie, a newly-elected Democrat, told CNN that he will do whatever it takes to prove once and for all that Obama was born in Hawaii. ..."
I'm sure he will being the governor and all.
"... Asked if one option is to ask Obama to waive his privacy rights so that a copy of his actual birth certificate can be released publicly, Abercrombie cut off a reporter's question. ..."
On second though, maybe not...
I'm totally with the Hawaiian governor on this...just release Obama's original birth certificate showing that President Obama was born in Hawaii (with the President's permission) and this whole issue will go away, case closed. Now if President Obama refuses to disclose his original birth certificate, then what has he got to hide?
Birthers will never believe the truth. They talk of the truth but do not recognize it when its right before them. They spend 8 yrs believing the THE BIGGETST LIES from any Whitehouse, but will not accept proof of our current President's birth. Do these idiots realize they then put into question EVERYONE born in Hawaii citizenship? But the most astounding thing is that they have to buy into the absurd myth that his mother planned this from the moment he was born-all part of the great socialist/facisist/commie takeover of our Great Country.....Seiously, God save us from our own willful, pitiful ignorance.
Totalflack. you are a total lost cost.
So if I am married to a foreigner and we have a child in another country, that childl is a US citizen or atleast has the option of dual citizenship. That is what happened with me and I hold a US passport and have never considered myself anything but an American. So why does it matter where he was born?
*Wait a minute!...*break check*...did someone actually state that the "birthers" are questioning the citizenship of President Obama's biological parent? Granted yes President Obama's biological father was from Kenya but the fact of the matter is that Ann Dunham (President Obama's biological mother) was born and raised in the state of Kansas so, does it not make President Obama a natural citizen?...and the fact that he was born in Honolulu Hawaii (Kapiolani Hospital Medical Center for Women and Children)...
Why is it that 99.5% of these "birthers" and their supporters are from Southern States? (ie...Arizona, Texas, etc...)
Obama's Birth Certificate probably says "WHITE". His Mom and Grandparents were at the hospital, and they are all white. His Dad was not there. Black babies are born looking white. It is impossible to believe that, in that context, somebody would have listed anything except "WHITE" on the birth certificate.
I wish someone would analyze the deeper issue of this being a fairly archaic and frankly undemocratic rule. We the people should be trusted to vote for whoever we like, regardless of the circumstances of their birth (which they have no control over), such as race, class, sex, -and- location thereof.
What are we afraid of, there are no English monarchs who can swoop in and steal the seat, unless you count Prince Charles... in which case, heavens to betsy...that's the worst case senario? We might of our own volition vote in ol' Chuck?
"birthers" and birther supporters: Don't be surprise but, just to let all you folks know, President Obama's original birth certificate will have the same pertinent information (ie...place of birth of President Obama as well as his biological parent's place of birth) as seen on the birth certificate that was published. Oh and can I reiterate that Ann Dunham (President Obama's biological mother) was born amd raised in the state Kansas (Yes, "birthers" its the great State of Kansas in the good old U.S. of A.)
Birthers should be required to produce proof that they were born in the US and are legitimate US citizens, if they demand that level of proof of the President.
He'll prove Obama's really from Hawaii just about the time when Obama's first and last term is over and it won't matter anymore.
They are just modern day witch hunters... No intelligence... Damn what are they going to do if our next president is mexican or asian or goodness not christian... They are the blind leading the blind... Monkey see monkey do..etc... And why are we giving these idiots any credit..
Hey Neil, you have more important issues to address. Who cares what those mainland nut jobs think. Even if they know we're a state, they don't think we should be one anyway. They can't accept the fact that someone from our great state is the president. their pilikia will be bachi for them in 2012. Imua keiki o ka aina!
obama is an idiot from kenya, we all know that so fess up you other idiots
I hear a big baby. Wah.
Where did Obama come from? IT DOESN'T MATTER WHERE HE CAME FROM!! What should matter to all of us is Obama's POLITICAL PHILOSOPHY which is decidedly anti-American, since he blames Americans for everything that happens in the world and everything that is made up. Obama also kneels before world leaders who wish to see the US wiped off the map. What is clear is that Obama is not a Natural Born Citizen in his heart, or lack there of.
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Why is it now that we have a black president we want to all of a sudden want to require all presidents to show their birth certificates??? He's PRESIDENT so get over it and yes he's black!!! WHO CARES, HE'S AMERICAN AND AN HONEST CITIZEN. And to everyone who is gonna say "this guy must be black..." Im a white man and yes, I voted for OBAMA. Bush put the country in the position its in, catering to the rich and the republicans in congress now continue to support that ideal.
It's a big leap from running into Obama's father on campus and knowing details of this birth. Especially since Barack's father was the first papolo "black" person in the 60 year history of UH Manoa to attend grad school at Manoa. Hence would have attracted attention on campus. You Neil, being a lifelong self promoter and attention seeker, would naturally have gravitated to Mr. Obama.
This comment "I was here when he was born" is worthless as you were not present at Mr. Obama's birth. I doubt also that you can swear under oath that you had ever visited the house Mrs. Obama supposedly lived in on Kalaniana`ole Hwy near Hawai`i Kai.
The other comment "It's an insult to his mother and father," I follow with, that's too bad. For I place the United States far ahead in terms of priorities and sanctities to that of any of Mr. Obama's relatives.
This statement "Two separate birth announcements appeared in the local newspapers, The Honolulu Advertiser and The Honolulu Star-Bulletin, in 1961." needing further clarification. That the two newspapers were operating out of the same building on King St. That more than likely, the State Department of Health, in 1961 was not prepared to deal with a birth where validity was in question. The list of babies being sent to the same location for printing prior to being amended with Barak's named stricken from the list. The only public recorded contemporaneous to the time being offered to the public.
Who were the doctor(s) and nurse(s) at Kapi`Olani that delivered Barack? My ex-wife worked at the hospital and I understand the records at Kapi'Olani are impeccable. Where are the foot prints? What public records exist that can even demonstrate that Mrs. Obama was even at Kapi'Olani on the day of Barack's birth?
How did his mother get to the campus living so far from Manoa? An acquaintance of mine lived only 1.5 blocks from where Obama's mother supposedly live on Kalaniana`ole Hwy near Hawai`i Kai. An expensive neighborhood behind Paiko lagoon and odd location for an impoverished mother and supposed UH student to live.
A fiancé of mine, father built the subdivision in Niu Valley, and nieli "nosey" mother would have known in 1961-1962 if a black child lived in the area. A black child not associated with the military. Barack's birth more than likely the first hapa black/white to be born in the state that year off base, if not the first ever recorded.
In low density Hawai`ian neighborhoods, the birth of a child is as much a neighborhood event as it is family. Curiosity held by the "local" ladies would have been insatiable. All would have made or gave gifts for the new baby, if for no other reason than to see this new born, regionally unique child. I haven't heard a single sorry about how someone gave this gift or that gift to the new mom or baby. Who were his local "aunties" that cared for the newborn?
Who were these mystery people in Honolulu whose identities and kindness still have yet to be revealed and openly appreciated by Mr. Obama? Let's be honest, a real and salacious story of this nature would not have been missed by a local Honolulu production team, Hollywood or the Discovery Channel. Yet to date, nothing of substance, detail and evidence like some sort of immaculate birth. The loudest Obama supporters like Mr. Abercrombie calling for the whole sale dilution of the Presidential vetting process.
Mr. Obama perpetrating the single greatest fraud ever enacted upon this country since the signing of the Declaration of Independence. A product of the people on the mainland knowing little of the unique culture, demographics in Hawai`i and absurd nature of Mr. Obama's claim backed by unscrupulous and or naive people. Hence, the only possible fraud remaining, that Mr. Obama could do at this point, greater in magnitude and scale, would be to try and have a team reenact this supposed birth at Kapi'Olani Medical Center. For to do so would definitely fall under the RICO Act, if not so already.
In closing I would be glad to challenge in public Neil Abercrombie regarding Mr. Obama's Honolulu birth claim.
Who were the doctor(s) and nurse(s) at Kapi`Olani that delivered Barack? My ex-wife worked at the hospital and I understand the records at Kapi'Olani are impeccable. Where are the foot prints? What public records exist that can even demonstrate that Mrs. Obama was even at Kapi'Olani on the day of Barack's birth?
Funny how the same wingnuts who claim President Obama wasn't born in the US are the same ones who:
Accused him of "advancing alcoholism" by buying a round of drinks for reporters.
Claimed he wasn't fit to be President because he was addicted to cigarettes.
Claimed he wasn't fit because he was a member of Reverend Wright's church.
Claimed he was an Islamic terrorist. (See above.)
Claimed he's "worse than Hitler".
Claimed the census was a way to put citizens into concentration camps. (Not hearing it now, since the red states benefited.)
Claimed Obama preempted the Charlie Brown Christmas Special in order to "indoctrinate" children into communism.
Kept their children away from school for the same ridiculous reason.
Accused him of spying on citizens thru "cash-for-clunkers".
Accused him of "death panels".
And on and on...
This isn't about Obama. It's about destroying democracy be de-legitimizing any non-Republican Presidency. The same was true with Clinton.
Clinton, and all "liberals" are immoral. Even though way more of his Republican counterparts were also cheating on their wives.
Clinton was "obsessed" with Bin Laden. Who?
Clinton was "wagging the dog" and will start a war just to divert attention. Who invaded Iraq on false pretenses?
It's plain to see.
Fundamentalists are to Christianity as paint by numbers is to art
Total Facts is to intelligence as Nostradamous is to science
Palin is to competence as chickens are to intelligence
Birthers are so misled they think global warming is caused by the AIDS quilt
Homophobes are afraid that three gays might take the plastic off their sofas and redecorate.
Death Panels, Birthers, Teabaggers = a whole bunch of snake oil sold to fools by shysters.
Why is it if you disagree with Obama or the democraps you are a racist? And all you people can say is "illegal war" Bush lied GOP this GOP that. Go back to world war 1 and look at the political party of the presidents who sent us to fight in all the wars of the 20th century. I have seen socialism up close look at the things he wants to do. You democraps believe in what he says. Each according to his needs from each according to abilities. Karl Marx wrote that Obama lives it. No one called him names except what he deserves to be called SOCIALIST!
It's a big leap from running into Obama's father on campus and knowing details of this birth. Especially since Barack's father was the first papolo "black" person in the 60 year history of UH Manoa to attend grad school at Manoa. Hence would have attracted attention on campus. Neil being a lifelong self promoter and attention seeker would have naturally gravitated to Mr. Obama Sr.
This statement "Two separate birth announcements appeared in the local newspapers, The Honolulu Advertiser and The Honolulu Star-Bulletin, in 1961." needing further clarification. That the two newspapers were operating out of the same building at 605 Kapi`Olani St. That more than likely, the State Department of Health, in 1961 was not prepared to deal with a birth where validity was in question. The list of babies being sent to the same location for printing prior to being amended with Barak's named stricken from the list. The only public recorded contemporaneous to the time being offered to the public.
Probability being that Mr. Obama is perpetrating the single greatest fraud ever enacted upon this country since the signing of the Declaration of Independence. A product of the people on the mainland knowing little of the unique culture, demographics in Hawai`i and absurd nature of Mr. Obama's claim backed by unscrupulous and or naive people. The only possible fraud remaining, that Mr. Obama could do at this point, greater in magnitude and scale, would be to try and have a team reenact this supposed birth at Kapi'Olani Medical Center. For to do so would definitely fall under the RICO Act, if not so already.
I have news for you Governor: God Himself could descend on the White House roof and declare that Obama was born in Hawaii and the "Birthers" would not believe it. That's because they HATE HIM. Hello? Anyone home? They're also racist because they are disgusted that the President of the United States is bi-racial.
The so-called 'controversy' will never end because the people at the heart of it and who are foolish enough to believe in it are not people who live in reality, but in a fairy tale land where a black man could never legitimately be president. Kind of odd considering these are the same clowns who had to steal an election to get Bush in. Fortunately, they really don't have any credibility, so who cares what they think?
I can't believe this issue is coming up again. Time for all the idiot birther trogs to come out from under their rocks to spread their ignorance. There is nothing the governor of Hawaii can do that will satisfy them. President Obama's citizenship has been proven and no matter how many times it is, they will always find some fault with the evidence that is shown. Ultimately what they think doesn't matter because the majority of Americans are not idiots on this issue. We can ignore the retards.
The birth certificate, or long form, is the result of the original certificate of live birth prepared by the hospital in which the baby was born. It includes the baby's name, the names of the parents, the doctors names, the name of the hospital, the sex and date of birth. The information on the long form is taken and entered into a database that produces a certification of live birth, which is what can be produced if the original birth certificate is lost.
Certificate of Live Birth
The certificate of live birth is the original document that is completed by the hospital staff after the baby was born alive. It contains the names of the parents, their education and race, medical and health information about the pregnancy and the delivery, and also the information on the newborn, such as the Apgar score. The certificate of live birth, which is certified by a hospital attendant, is then sent to the Office of Vital Statistics to produce the birth certificate.
Read more: Difference Between Birth Certificate and Certificate of Live Birth | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/facts_5849855_difference-certificate-certificate-live-birth.html#ixzz19PSHOtHR
read post and get over it.
As i read most of the posts listed here i am reminded of something i learned long ago " YOU JUST CANT FIX STUPID"
Hey all you white scum bags out there I guess you are really afraid that someone is actually smarter then you and you can't get your pin head brain around that lets get real you are racist and the fact is that you are stupid and when someone does better then you you get upset and when they are a minority it even goes up your butt where your head is even more maybe if your parents were a little smarter and never had you this world would be a lot better off
I think Total Facts and Think Again are just arguing so they can have make up sex. I shall illuminate all of you with the facts some day...about the President, the economy, the state of this country, and other issues of which I have profound and enlightened knowledge. Happy New Year to all.
I'm not a "birther", but doesn't Obama's paternal grandmother say that she was present at his birth in Kenya? Is she a liar? Is that story not true?
America there is no excuse for you being this stupid. I read many books during the election of this man, to make sure I new the man himself, and I'll tell you right now, some of these people are so far behind its disgusting. Here we are discussing serious intelligent issues like taxes, war strategy, the future role of government, you name it. Now, what are these Republican kids busy doing? well, still searching for Obama's birth certificate.........seriously let it sink in. GO BACK TO TAPS!!! where you can pass high school and not do a single shred of paperwork. Losers. Chalk one up for the new political party in America, the Tea Party, the Republicans idea of a political pothead. Fantastic, as if the liberals weren't enough trouble at times. People are cute in 2010, they try.
All you birthers really have NO IDEA what is in the constitution concerning how to be a natural born citizen...being born in the United States is only ONE WAY!
Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in the gaps left by the Constitution. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"
•Anyone born inside the United States *
•Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
•Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
•Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
•Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
Gee, even if Obama was born in Kenya, HIS MOTHER WAS A US CITIZEN!! My birth certificate does not have my foot prints on it, does not have the MD who delivered me, and most of the stuff all you birthers claim is on a birth certificate. But, you can't fix stupid!!!
He's spent over $800,000 in legal fees to keep from having to release a long form birth certificate. What makes this new Governor expect that he can succeed where every one else has failed. And who paid those legal bills for him? He certainly could not have paid them himself!
A long form birth certificate shows where he was delivered (what hospital), what time, and who the MD was who did the delivery. Even his dog has that! Why has he kept his own secret? We assume because his grand mom told the truth, which was that she was present when he was born...IN KENYA.
Ed Henry still has not recovered from the shellacking he took from the first white house news conference and is still trying to knock Obama down a few notches to elevate himself. That's right, Ed, cover the birther angle in detail. Couldn't hurt your reputation, right?
My, my how the Pigs they do fly...
Where is not the question and comparing the birth of John McCain in Panama (at a military base) to a United States military couple of United State citizenry is quite ludicrous. Obama's mother was a minor when Barry was born, whether it be in Hawaii or Kenya, his father was a Kenyan citizen, as I understood it from the Phil Berg argument, Barry would legally assume his father's citizenry as his mother was a minor and would not have legal standing to usurp her citizenship to the baby. On top of that, upon moving to Indonesia Barry obtained Indonesian citizenship as a minor, yes I know a minor cannot give up their rights of citizenry, however the question then becomes, did Obama apply for student loans as a foreign student or apply for passports with a duality of citizenship and only decide he was a Naturalized citizen and not a Nationalized citizen when the opportunity presented itself in his best interest? Researching his mothers passport would be a very simple way to determine where the birth took place, Abercrombies argument of respecting his parents is stupid, this man is the President of the United States and American citizens have every right to know every aspect of his life, something wreaks about this and it will eventually float to the top. As far as Clinton's surplus and Obama's spending...you can't sugar coat a turd and you all should delve a little deeper into what Clinton brought us with his front end loaded trade deals and deregulation of banking and where Obama and the 111th Congress has spent us.
Birthers should be required to present documentation of legitimate US citizenship at the same level being requested.
African word in America Jamassee,Tallahassee,mende Mandanka. Astex center around Kenya. Said enough.
those would be native american, at least the first two. bored? try reading. anything. really.
Think again and Liz – You do realize that Clinton balanced the budget kicking and screaming at the beckoning of a Republican Congress and that his balancing of the budget came at the cost to National Security. WARS does Bosnia and Serbia ring a bell, does air strikes on Iraq no fly zones ring a bell, how about Somalia or Sudan? That cost in National Security evidenced itself on September 11th during the Bush Administration, so let's quit looking at Washington politics through rose colored glasses and in more of a macroscopic scenario of two failed parties that care for little more than their own elitist standing and benefits of holding a position of high political power.
Sighs. It will only be a lie on top of another lie.
Please for petes sake do you people not recognize the bad loser/ playground bullies that these people and the GOP are. The proof has been given, for you (gop and tea party)to try to put forth such crap, is in fact an act of treason. I put it forth to all Americans that treasion proceedings should and will be brought against all who seek to destroy the fabric of america due only to their small minded prejudice. For gods sake it is only a little skin pigmentation who cares. Barak has proven that again and again he is what the country needs a smart good president who is a former Havard law school graduate and not like the bumbling cheeleader that cost us worldwide respect and alot of lost money
Now lets start the proeceedings and see how long people are going to continue to commit Treason
Birthers, does the birth certificate show Obama as a Muslim, which he now denies? If so he is marked for death (apostacy). I am polically opposed to our courrent president, but do not wich harm on him-PERIOD. I see comments about the bible and bush's policies, and the UN- why take such extremes? You do us a great service by not being so whacked out strange. The comments are really useless. Don't call my president an idiot! Don't speak disrespectfully about our last president. He was fed lies from the midles East, and the CIA could not verify too well, the same CIA under Clinton, based on what we now know, Iraq may not have been such a good idea. BUT the words spoken are hardly useful, they reek of hatred and contempt. Facts that we could all agree upon are ignored, fringe facts come out, which further polarize. The Bible is the MOST accurate piece of ancient literature, more documents support it than any other piece of literature, what you choose to do with the facts and statements within is your choice. RESPECT is lacking, why? - There has to be better way to disagree, the facts lean strongly in one direction, name calling shows that your position is weak, verify, thank about the facts, then either change your mind or be quiet. The rantings insult many who read these words. I sure hope you read this, if the shoe fits put it on-if not why be concerned. As you can see I have an opinion or two about what is stated above, but I have tried to be respectful. Try it yourself.
Wish the yahd a good spell chaeck!!!
When I went to the Social Security office those many years ago to apply for Medicare and Social Security, I took my original birth certificate and also my Certificate of Live Birth that I got from my county recorder a few years before. The clerks really liked my original birth certificate! Passed it around the office with comments like, "wow, this is really neat, to see your baby footprints" and"nice gold seal there, not many people save stuff for sixty five years". As it turns out the only legal document was the photocopy of the Certificate of Live Birth!! My original birth certificate, with footprints, doctors signature and Los Angeles County clerks signature from 1939 was only a nice souvenir. The Birthers are just a bunch of nuts!!!!
Conspiracy nuts of all types should be ignored, not argued with. If the evidence presented thus far does not convince them, nothing will. The birther conspiracy theory is motivated by racist hatred for Obama, not a quest for truth. The 9-11 "truther" conspiracy theory is motivated by hatred for GWB administration, not a quest for truth. Holocaust deniers conspiracy theory is motivated by a hatred of Jews, not a quest for truth. Moon landing conspiracy theories are motivated by a hatred for the USA, not a quest for truth. Do you see the pattern? Some people simply believe what they want to believe.
How long has this topic been quite? Funny how it gets reborn while Obama happens to be in Hawaii, Mmmmm surely the two of them didn't meet to discuss this prior to the Governor calling the press.
Obama might have been born in Kenya. 100% of all birth certificates aren't registered the same day, they are issued. Birth certificates are registered up to 5 days after the actual birth. If Obama was actually born in Kenya, his parents had 5 days to record his birth in Hawaii. Since there are two birth certificates, one doesn't necessarily over ride the other. The key here is: was Obama's mom of legal age to claim US citizenship? She married a Kenyan, lived in Kenya, & was 17 years old at Obama's birth. I ( think) 21 is the legal age of citizenship. Therefore draw your own conclusions. My birth certificate says I was born in August, but It wasn't issued until 5 days later, along with witness signatures.
Total Facts the First Lady and The President need extra protection because of the ignoramus thinking of people who want to kill them at every turn of the way. That is why she has more protection. When did you every see people at a presidential gathering carrying guns, besides the secret service detail. Never, until Obama was elected. Please get a grip and see that people who hate him so muchwill us whatever chance they have to harm President Obama and his family will. You can try to defend your ignorant way of thinking, but the truth is racism is still alive. Quit hiding under a rock. As far as slavery is concerned you will not let people forget it. The terrible deed has been forgiven, but not forgotten and it will not happen again. Your backward ways of thinking is pathetic. Please go read books. It is easy to sya the things that you do because you have not been there, Maybe you should see how it feels to be whipped for trying to gain your freedom, but I guess it was the slaves fault for being bought and sold like animals. You really are dispicable.
What I find truly astounding is that the birther issue first surfaced through a Philadelphia Democratic strategist by the name of Phil Berg. He is an attorney and was a major Hillary Clinton supporter in the primaries....so all you Democrat conspiracy theorists...WTFU...if he were clean his records would be made public to reflect that. My theory is that he used his dual citizenship to benefit him financially through student loan and grant programs, when it became burdensome to his political effort he changed gears...Berg's synopsis was truly to the point and to the law, it made complete sense and after all he is a DEMOCRAT.
@ThinkAgain; Thank you, my WHITE SOLDIER and COMRADE for your honest truthfulness and thorough analysis of the realization what's REALLY happening to perpetuate these ongoing controversies against PRESIDENT OBAMA! You are dead on; the birthers, the teapartyers, the blogging haters, and I'm sad to have to say, even many of his counterparts and co-workers in WASHINGTON, DC, can't stand the idea that a BLACK MAN is in the WHITEHOUSE; and will stop at NOTHING to get him out of there, if they can! GOD BLESS YOU!
The problem with a certificate of live birth in Hawaii is that the State issued them to children born out of the State thereby impugning their credibility, just saying. Hey, listen, if you do not believe me look it up, it is all there. Phillip Berg, Attorney at Law, specializing in Immigration cases...Democratic strategist for HILLARY CLINTON.
"Think Again" you have won today's blogged debate you presented facts with a common sense approach and "Total facts" just dont get it! This is what it comes down to, President Obama have presented a legal BIRTH CERTIFICATE the same as JOHN, W, BILL, ETC.....but it is not good enough for the "BIRTHERS FOR THRUTH" it has been proven over and over again that he is a American citizen, I want to ask the birthers what else (documentation) do you need to nip this in the bud?
Abercrombie, a newly-elected Democrat, told CNN that he will do WHATEVER IT TAKES to prove once and for all that Obama was born in Hawaii. WHATEVER IT TAKES? Whatever that means.
Howard, well, what else could it possibly mean? He'll lie, steal, cheat, WHATEVER IT TAKES! Of course, it has to mean something nefarious. He couldn't possibly mean he will research the archives of the Department of Vital Statistics in the State of Hawaii to come up with a Certificate of Live Birth that might be on microfacie and produce the document with names of attending physicians or nurses, or whatever is usually on those certificates to finally put this matter to rest with you crazy birthers. NO! He must mean something sinister. After all, he is Governor of Hawaii and no one will be watching what he does and he can manipulate all kinds of people and conspire to cover up the truth!!!! We know what he is up to. Of course we do, right Howard!!!!
My thoughts on this (as someone who doesn't particularly like a lot of the President's policies):
He was born in Hawaii. There's no reason to believe he wasn't, and it wouldn't even be an issue if some partisan hack nobody hadn't thought it up and presented it to the fringe on a silver platter.
He's not very principled. He campaigns on certain promises, and signs bills that continue the same policies as he campaigned against. The ACA debacle was a rehash of Republican policy initiatives in the 90's. If it didn't have the clause in it that mandates buying insurance, there wouldn't be any backlash at all against it, because every sane, caring person agrees that it's wrong to deny on pre-existing conditions, and it's wrong to drop coverage when you just get too expensive.
Some posters here are trolls. Some are apologists. Some are just Type A a$$wipes who like to see their own brilliant verbage in print. Myself probably included. But at least I'm not getting my blood pressure up trying to defend my positions. Chill out people.
I'm afraid this is a waste of time. The brithers will never be convinced. You could time travel them back to the OR room and birth registry office and they'd still not believe. Without their conspiracy they'd have little in their lives. You have birthers and you have creationists saying the world, in spite of all the scientific evidence, is on 5,000 or so years old and believe Adam & Eve rode dinosaurs for fun, like the Flintstones. Whaddya gonna do? Stupid as stupid does.
Obama / The State Department...Neither will come clean about the issue–But–This nimrod gov is going to put an end to the controversy ?
And just how pray tell does he think he can change peoples minds ?...Oh that's right, he doesn't have too, he'll just Outlaw the topic alltogether with Cass Sunsteins help
God help us
I was born in IL. I joined the army at 17, attended college and university, and have had all my children in IL. The only form of "proof" I was born here or that my family was born here that I have seen is my "certificate of live birth", which IS my birth certificate. It's what I used to enter school with as a child. It's what I used to get my driver's license. It's what I used to enter college and university with. It's what I used when I gave birth to my children.
Guess what? They also took a "certificate of live birth" when my kids went through the same things. It IS a legal document. The birthers can get over it. Otherwise how was I authorized security clearance in the army based off a non-legal document.
Why would it take many trips to Hawaii and almost 2 years to finally bring up the truth. If I have nothing to hide I would bring the facts to the table when questioned. Only people that lie or have something to hide wait a few years and god know how much money. All I'm saying is even if the President has nothing to hide his action show him to be entrust worthy
Obama went to school I believe in Indonesia. You have to be a citizen to go to school there. When you have had citizenship in another country your loyalty could be with them even if you get USA Citizenship.back. That is the issue.
Couldnt they just get the birth certificate, and test the paper to see if it is 49 years old?
it's quiet amazing that my 12year old niece was motivated to conduct her own research when she first heard about the "birthers" argument about President Obama's legitimacy. She actually made it as her school project. She spent a week long conducting her research. Her final conclusion was that President Obama is rightfully and legitimately our America's President. The birth certificate that was published and shown to the public was a legitimate and legal document in the state of Hawaii. So if my 12year old niece, who cares little about politics or is easily swayed, logically concluded (in her own view) that President Obama's U.S. citizenship is legitimate what does that say about the "birthers" and birthers supporters argument? Oh in closing, she also conducted a research on the "birthers" agenda and she concluded that their argument is baseless, judgmental, and undignified. She also commented that she could not imagine why these "birthers" resort to juvenile antics such "name calling"; how civilize is that?! I had to laugh on one other comment which was, "Uncle, these birther's argument is like watching a mentally retarded adult trying to drown a fish!"...I have to apologize but, her comment was just hilarious...Atleast I know education actually works in Hawaii.
...oh and one more thing, my 12-year old niece also commented that if it only took her a week to fully conduct her research, why don't these "birthers" and their supporters actually take time and conduct their own individual research instead of using what they hear from Sarah Palin or the FOX news?!
*it's quiet amazing that my 12year old niece was motivated to conduct her own research when she first heard about the "birthers" argument about President Obama's legitimacy. She actually made it as her school project. She spent a week long conducting her research. Her final conclusion was that President Obama is rightfully and legitimately our America's President. The birth certificate that was published and shown to the public was a legitimate and legal document in the state of Hawaii. So if my 12year old niece, who cares little about politics or isn't easily swayed, logically concluded (in her own view) that President Obama's U.S. citizenship is legitimate what does that say about the "birthers" and birthers supporters argument? Oh in closing, she also conducted a research on the "birthers" agenda and she concluded that their argument is baseless, judgmental, and undignified. She also commented that she could not imagine why these "birthers" resort to juvenile antics such "name calling"; how civilize is that?! I had to laugh on one other comment which was, "Uncle, these birther's argument is like watching a mentally retarded adult trying to drown a fish!"...I have to apologize but, her comment was just hilarious...Atleast I know education actually works in Hawaii.
The birthers are such idiots...they wouldn't believe it if God himself wrote it across the sky.
If Obama allows his long form Birth Certificate to be promulgated he is insane. Forget those crazies and especially that slimy ignorant Russian/Jew that pushed for this so much. She is not even a citizen and any fool her would believe her
deserves Palin for President. Another one who makes me embarrassed to be a woman.
Abercrombie is a family friend of Obama's grandparents who raised him Hawaii. Just sayin...
Wow, such a simple way to put it to rest, produce a birth certificate Obama. END OF STORY...
@fayse, you go!
Amazing the limited intelligence in this thread. What does this story have to do with the bible or if the earth is round or flat? Obama needs to release his birth certificate, and his school records. The records are sealed because he was registered as a foreign student. There would be no other reason to seal them. On the bible issue, it says circle and no where says flat. Further more a spinning circle creates a sphere. A sphere is round and a circle is round. And what do you know the earth is also round. You can never prove the bible wrong, nor can you prove it right. You can have a personal opinion about it but that in no way makes you right. So being picky about the term a circle, which by the way may not be a pure translation shows your ignorance. The FACT of the mater is, you can't know, no one can. And what right do you have to discount someone's beliefs our faith. You have none! Believe what you want, but other's can and will do the same.
I used to despise Barry until I searched "obama teleprompter" on youtube. Now I feel sorry for him because he's an idiot... I still despise the person who is typing into the teleprompter.
*Ok, first off I have to apologize to those who know or have siblings or kids who have mental retardation...but I have to repost one of the many comments that my 12-year old niece (who actually conducted a week long research on her own for her school project) said about the "birthers" argument about the legitimacy of President Obama's citizenship. This is what she said, "Uncle, these birther's argument is like watching a mentally retarded adult trying to drown a fish!"...and another analogy she said, "It's like watching a gorilla having uncontrollable spasm; do you point and laugh at it or put it out of its misery?!"...Again, NO offense to those who have siblings or parents who have kids with mental retardation and not to mention animal lovers but, I had to share my niece's "not so" politically correct view.
Your niece is cute. Like your post, she is Ignorant but cute.
Wow, you are an idiot.
Hey Real American. Many care about the parents. Respect is part of American is. Something you seem to be missing. I am not exactly pro Obama but he doesn't need senseless rumors to muddy his name. I hope they hurry up because I am sick of the spam.
My gut feeling is it will shut some but not all of the gossipy old goats up but not all.
The ones that continue will be people that like to cause trouble and thrive on chaos.
obama should show his birth certificate if i have to show mine to get a license. some of you guys should read more and check his speeches on him talking up fractio nal reserve banking and more power to the federal reserve,hes just a new world order puppet. he is also heading up the united nations when its his turn too. which is also illegal under the constitution
No political agenda. I actually campaigned and voted for the man. But I WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH. PERIOD.
The passport services official says in the cover letter that the some earlier passport application records noted in subsequent filings could not be found. Any possible 1960/1961 passport application paper work information that has been postulated by researchers studying Obama's early life narrative is missing from this released information. The link to a passport application in the early 60s would be to see the passport application filed in 1965. The application paper work for a known passport issued on July 19, 1965 is missing. How convenient that key pieces of information about Obama and his family's early life always turns up missing!
Gee go figure!
Announcing a "birther" convention at sarah palin's house in AK. To identify birthers, you must wear an antler hat to identify each other with. Then, run around palin's house a few times, jumping from time to time. I understand she's a good shot.
Sarah, cameras are running. Lock and load honey.
despite evidence showing that he was.
not born in the USA
Asked if one option is to ask Obama to waive his privacy rights so that a copy of his actual birth certificate can be released publicly, Abercrombie cut off a reporter's question. ?
When I was born over 50 years ago, my birth state wasn't the same one that my parents resided in........So they were given a certificate of a LIVE BIRTH. On the bottom of this registration, was the statement: THIS IS NOT A BIRTH CERTIFICATE................ Later on in my life I got a copy of my birth certificate from the state that I was born in. All I did was send a letter stating that I needed a copy of it and sent the amount of money required for the cost of my birth certificate...............IT wasn't very hard to do. Of course I had nothing to hide.
Naw, Obama won't allow it to be released. It would show who his real daddy was.
He won't release his school records either as they would show he was a c student at best.
He's the biggest media created fraud.....ever!
Just brought my 16 yr old to get her permit she needed her birth cert just sayin I do think B.O. was born here, he is just not qualified, just look at him
Dr. Chiyome Fukino, the former director of Hawaii's Department of Health, says she has personally viewed the president's original vital records and verified that he was born in Hawaii.
Just show the original, case closed.
Wonderful article, I am going to bookmark this.