Immigration – the next big push?
Immigrants and working families march to demand legalization for all immigrants and to stop deportations and the attacks on workers in Los Angeles, California, on May 1, 2011.
May 9th, 2011
01:51 PM ET

Immigration – the next big push?

WASHINGTON  (CNN) - President Obama heads to El Paso,Texas tomorrow where he is expected to talk about an issue that was near and dear to his heart on the 2008 campaign trail: immigration.

Then candidate Obama frequently promised comprehensive immigration reform, even pledging to La Raza, the Hispanic civil rights advocacy group, that he would “make it a top priority in my first year as president.”

“It’s time for a president who won’t walk away from something as important as comprehensive reform when it becomes politically unpopular,” he told the group in July 2008, adding, “not just because we need to secure our borders and get control of who comes into our country, and not just because we have to crack down on employers abusing undocumented immigrants – but because we have to finally bring those 12 million people out of the shadows.”

Two years later, reform remained but a pledge.

"I want to begin work this year,” Obama declared in May of 2010 at a Cinco de Mayo event at the White House.

A year after that promise – still no action.

Now once again, the president is once again taking steps to make immigration reform a priority. The difference is that this time the issue may have Obama’s full attention since health care reform is now law.

Following a meeting with the Congressional Hispanic Caucus last week, the White House issued a statement declaring Obama “will intensify efforts to lead a civil debate on this issue in the coming weeks and months.”

This refocusing by the White House comes at a time when polls show Obama’s support from Hispanics has slipped over the years. According to a CNN/Opinion Research Poll, Obama’s approval rating has dropped from 76% in the spring and summer of 2009, to 68% in winter and spring of 2011.

While his support in the community may have taken a hit, the numbers are higher than they were last summer, when Obama had just 53% support from Hispanics.

The White House only stands to benefit in terms of support within the community if immigration reform is passed, but the president is keenly aware that the debate will be contentious.

At a speech to students graduating from the ethnically and racially diverseMiami Dade College, Obama voiced his support to fix the broken immigration system and to pass the DREAM Act, giving citizenship to those undocumented young people who graduate college or join the military.

“Like all of this country’s movements towards justice, it will be difficult and it will take time.  I know some here wish that I could just bypass Congress and change the law myself. But that’s not how democracy works.  See, democracy is hard, but it’s right,” he said.

In his regular press briefing Monday, White House spokesman Jay Carney would not predict odds on the passage immigration reform.

“What were the odds that we’d get the tax cut deal that we got? What were the odds that we’d get the kind of deficit reduction that we got in the CR debate? What are the odds that we’d get the kind of agreement that we hope to get out of the negotiations being led by the Vice President? We are congenital optimists and we think we have reason to believe that our optimism is merited,” he said.


Topics: Immigration • President Obama • The Buzz • The News

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  1. Stevie

    Read this whos to blame for our economy, its NOT the POOR MIGRANTS.
    http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6942497n&tag=related;photovideo
    http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/immigration-court-troubled-system-899690.html
    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/market-crash-2011-it-will-hit-by-christmas-2011-02-22
    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/reagan-insider-gop-destroyed-us-economy-2010-08-10
    http://www.cnbc.com/id/42630571
    http://money.cnn.com/2011/04/14/pf/taxes/who_pays_income_taxes/

    I AM NOT SAYING DONT CLOSE THE BORDERS. I AM SAYING STOP THE HATE.

    Before you Scream and show Ignorance and Hate at least read the Immigration Law regarding Undocumented Immigrants.

    1. Myth: Undocumented immigrants are getting government services for free.

    REALITY: They actually give more than they take. Over the past two decades, most studies that have tried to estimate the fiscal impact of immigration in the United States have concluded that the tax revenue generated by immigrants —both legal and undocumented— exceeds the cost of the services they use. Thus, an Economic Report of the President published in 2005 estimated that all immigrants, regardless of status, paid on average US$80,000 per capita more in taxes than the cost of the government services they were expected to use over their lifetime. Stephen C. Goss, the chief actuary of the Social Security Administration, said that by 2007, the Social Security trust fund had received a net benefit of somewhere between US $120 billion and US $240 billion from undocumented immigrants. That represented 5.4% to 10.7% of the trust fund’s total assets of US$2.24 trillion that year. The Social Security Administration estimates that two-thirds of unauthorized immigrant workers (about 5.6 million people) were paying into the system in 2007. Unauthorized immigrants paid a net contribution of US$12 billion in 2007 alone.

    2. Myth: Undocumented workers do not pay taxes.

    Reality: They do, and in several different ways. According to the Internal Revenue Service (IRS), the majority of undocumented immigrants pays income tax using, among other mechanisms, Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers (ITIN’s), while most employers withhold federal, state and local taxes from such workers. In fact, between one-half and three-quarters of undocumented immigrants pay federal and state income taxes, Social Security, and Medicare taxes.Undocumented immigrants pay the same real estate taxes—whether they own homes or taxes are passed on to them through rents—and the same sales and other consumption taxes as everyone else. The majority of state and local costs for schooling and other services is funded by these taxes. Additionally, the U.S. Social Security Administration has estimated that three quarters of undocumented immigrants pay payroll taxes, and that they contribute US$6-7 billion in Social Security funds that they will be unable to claim (Porter 2005). This amount, moreover, keeps accumulating, generating US$6 to US$7 billion in Social Security annual tax revenue, and an additional US$1.5 billion in Medicare taxes. This money, according to the 2008 annual report of the Social Security Board of Trustees, will help reduce the SSA’s projected longterm
    deficit by 15%, which is equivalent to a 0.3% rise in the pay roll tax.

    3. Myth: Undocumented workers are a burden on the U.S. economy.

    Reality: Immigrants not only pay taxes, but they also contribute significantly to the economy.

    In a 2007 report, the White House Council of Economic Advisers concluded that, because immigrants increase the size of the total labor force, they complement the U.S. born workforce, and stimulate capital investment by adding workers to the labor pool. Immigration increases the U.S. Gross Domestic Product (GDP) by roughly US$37 billion each year.9 Given that employment has been the main driver behind undocumented immigration to the U.S. in recent decades, it should come as no surprise that this group is particularly hard working and has a high employment rate (96%).10 Moreover, beyond undocumented immigrants, the Hispanic community as a whole has increasingly contributed to the U.S. economy. According to the U.S. Department of Commerce and the U.S. Census Bureau, Hispanic owned firms increased by nearly 44 percent between 2002 and 2007, growing from 1.6 million businesses to 2.3 million. Employment at Hispanic-owned firms also grew by 26 percent from 1.5 million to 1.9 million workers, a growth rate significantly higher than that of non-minority-owned firms. Hispanic-owned businesses generated US$345.2 billion in sales in 2007, up 55.5 percent compared with 2002. And finally, of all Hispanic-owned firms with multiple employees, approximately 44,000 have revenues of more than US$1 million, representing an increase of more than 51 percent over 2002.

    4. Myth: Undocumented immigrants are taking jobs away from Americans.
    REALITY: Undocumented Immigrants differ from U.S. citizens in their economic sectors and occupation.

    Among unauthorized immigrants in the labor force, 30% are service workers and 21% are construction workers. An additional 15% are production and installation workers. Two-thirds (66%) of unauthorized immigrant workers are employed in these three broad categories; by contrast, only 31% of U.S.-born workers perform those jobs. Unauthorized immigrants provide an important source of manpower in agriculture, construction, food processing, building cleaning and maintenance, and other similar jobs, at a time when the share of low-skilled, U.S.-born individuals in the labor force has fallen dramatically. Not only do unauthorized immigrants provide an important source of low-skilled labor, but they also respond to market conditions in ways that legal immigration presently cannot. Undocumented inflows broadly track economic performance, rising during periods of expansion, and stalling during downturns. Undocumented immigration is sensitive to labor market demand. Immigrants are more likely to work in seasonal activities, such as agriculture, which suffer the largest job losses during downturns. Therefore, the size of the immigrant population changes in response to economic downturns or expansion. Immigration is not the cause of today’s high unemployment rates. In fact, reliable estimates show that immigration levels —both undocumented and applications for H-1B visas for high-skilled professionals— have fallen along with the economic downturn. In the longer term, however, the U.S. economy is also likely to need immigrant labor as the fertility rate in the United States, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, is projected to fall below the replacement level by 2015-2020. The number of workers age 55 and over will likely increase by 49%, compared to projected increases of only 5% among those 25 to 54 and 9% among the 16 to 24 age group, creating a gap in the population pyramid between the economically active population and those in retirement age that is likely to be filled by immigrants.

    5. MYTH: Undocumented immigrants are a burden to the healthcare system.

    REALITY: Quite the contrary, immigrants contribute more than they take.

    Federal, state and local governments spend approximately US$1.1 billion annually on healthcare costs for undocumented immigrants, aged 18-64, or approximately US$11 in taxes for each U.S. household. This compares to the US $88 billion spent on all health care for non-elderly adults in the U.S. in 2000. Foreign-born individuals tend to use fewer health care services because they are relatively healthier than their U.S.- born counterparts. For example, in Los Angeles County, “total medical spending on undocumented immigrants was US$887 million in 2000, 6% of total costs, although undocumented immigrants comprise 12 percent of the region’s residents.” A 2007 study based on data from the 2003 California Health Interview Survey found that “undocumented Mexicans and other undocumented Latinos reported less use of health care services and poorer experiences with care compared with their U.S.-born counterparts.” In 2007, the Oregon Center for Public Policy estimated that undocumented immigrants pay state income, excise, and property taxes, as well as federal Social Security and Medicare taxes, which “total about US$134 million to US$187 million annually.” In addition, “taxes paid by Oregon employers on behalf of undocumented workers total about US$97 million to US$136 million annually.” As the report goes on to note, undocumented workers are ineligible for the Oregon Health Plan, food stamps, and temporary cash assistance. A study by the Iowa Policy Project concluded that “undocumented immigrants pay an estimated aggregate amount of US$40 million to US$62 million in state taxes each year.” Moreover, “undocumented immigrants working on the books in Iowa and their employers also contribute annually an estimated US$50 million to US$77.8 million in federal Social Security and Medicare taxes from which they will never benefit. Rather than draining state resources, undocumented immigrants are in some cases subsidizing services that only documented residents can access.”

    6. MYTH: Undocumented immigrants are responsible for higher crime rates.

    REALITY: Current and historical studies show instead that immigration is associated with lower crime rates and lower incarceration rates.

    Since the early 1990s, as the immigrant population, especially the undocumented one, increased to historic highs, the rates of violent crimes and property crimes in the United States decreased significantly, in some instances to historic lows – as measured both by crimes reported to the police and by national victimization surveys. Moreover, data from the Census and a wide range of other empirical studies show that for every ethnic group without exception, incarceration rates among young men are lowest for immigrants, even for those who are the least educated. This holds true especially for the Mexicans, Salvadorans, and Guatemalans who make up the bulk of the
    undocumented population. These patterns have been observed consistently over the last three decennial censuses, a period that spans the current era of high immigration. One can also recall similar national level findings reported by three major government commissions during the first three decades of the 20th century. The lowest incarceration rates among Latin American immigrants are seen for the groups who account for the majority of the undocumented: the Salvadorans and Guatemalans (0.52 percent), and the Mexicans (0.70 percent).

    THE BOTTOM LINE: Undocumented immigrants are an important component of the U.S. economy. They meet the labor demand in sectors in which they do not directly compete with U.S.-born workers. The great majority of migrant workers are taxpaying, hardworking, and law-abiding people who are integrating into U.S. society.

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    THE UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS ARE PAYING MORE TAXES THAN YOU THINK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    IMMIGRANTS AND TAXES:
    Q: “Is it true that illegal immigrants don’t pay taxes and drain our economy?”
    A: As Ben Franklin said, “Nothing is certain but death and taxes.” Like the rest of us, unauthorized immigrants pay taxes on their property and anything they buy. More than half of them have taxes taken out of their paychecks, but because our immigration system is dysfunctional, these taxes are paid under false Social Security numbers. We need a new regimen in which we know who is paying taxes and can ensure that no one is getting a free ride. The only way to do that is to pull unauthorized immigrants out of the shadows and get them on the right side of the law.
    Three state-level studies have found that unauthorized immigrants pay more in taxes than they use in benefits. In Iowa, unauthorized immigrants pay an estimated $40 to $62 million in state taxes, while they and their employers contribute an additional $50 million to $77.8 million in federal, Social Security, and Medicare taxes from which they will never benefit. In Oregon, unauthorized immigrants—who are not eligible for any state benefits—pay between $134 million and $187 million in taxes each year. Finally, in Texas, the State Comptroller found that, without unauthorized residents, the gross state product in 2005 would have been $17.7 billion less.
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    The economics of immigration, Stephen C. Goss, the chief actuary of the Social Security Administration and someone who enjoys bipartisan support for his straightforwardness, said that by 2007, the Social Security trust fund had received a net benefit of somewhere between $120 billion and $240 billion from unauthorized immigrants.

    That represented an astounding 5.4 percent to 10.7 percent of the trust fund's total assets of $2.24 trillion that year. The cumulative contribution is surely higher now. Unauthorized immigrants paid a net contribution of $12 billion in 2007 alone, Goss said.

    Previous estimates circulating publicly and in Congress had placed the annual contributions at roughly half of Goss's 2007 figure and listed the cumulative benefit on the order of $50 billion.

    The Social Security trust fund faces a solvency crisis that would be even more pressing were it not for these payments.

    Adding to the Social Security irony is that the restrictionists are mostly OLDER AND RETIRED WHITES from longtime American families. The very people, in other words, who benefit most from the Social Security payments by unauthorized immigrants.

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    Comprehensive Immigration Reform Would Boost the Economy & Help ALL American Workers: As opposed to the mass deportation, enforcement-only approach, addressing and fixing the immigration system in a wholesale manner will be a boon to the U.S. economy and all U.S. workers. That is why both the AFL-CIO and Change to Win created The Labor Movement’s Joint Framework for Comprehensive Immigration Reform. Dr. Raúl Hinojosa-Ojeda conducted a 2010 report for the Center for American Progress and the Immigration Policy Center that found that “Unlike the current enforcement-only strategy, comprehensive reform would raise the ‘wage floor’ for the entire U.S. economy—to the benefit of both immigrant and native-born workers.” According to the study, granting legal status to undocumented immigrants and creating flexible legal limits on future immigration flows would generate enough consumer-spending to support 750,000-900,000 jobs. The report also found that the mass deportation approach would reduce GDP by 1.46 percent annually, amounting to a loss of $2.6 trillion over 10 years.

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    The Undocumented Immigrants pay the exact same amount of taxes like you and me when they buy Things, rent a house, fill up gas, drink a beer or wine, buy appliances, play the states lottery and mega millions . Below are the links to just a few sites that will show you exactly how much tax you or the Undocumented Immigrant pays , so you see they are NOT FREELOADERS, THEY PAY TAXES AND TOLLS Exactly the same as you, Now if you take out 10% from your states /city Budget what will your city/state look like financially ?

    Stop your folly thinking , you are wise USE YOUR WISDOM to see the reality. They pay more taxes than you think, Including FEDERAL INCOME TAX using a ITN Number that is given to them by the IRS, Social Security Taxes and State taxes that are withheld form their paychecks automatically.

    Taxes, paid by You & the Undocumented are the same in each state check your state : http://www.taxadmin.org/fta/rate/sales.html

    GAS Taxes paid by you & the Undocumented are the same. Go to and check out your states tax; http://www.gaspricewatch.com/usgastaxes.asp

    Cigarette Taxes paid by you & the Undocumented are the same, check this out in : http://www.taxadmin.org/fta/rate/cigarett.html

    Clothing Sales Taxes, are the same paid by you & the Undocumented Immigrant; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sales_taxes_in_the_United_States

    City Taxes, are the same paid by you or the Undocumented, since he pays rent and the LANDLORD pays the city : http://www.town-usa.com/statetax/statetaxlist.html

    Beer Taxes, are the same paid by you or the Undocumented: http://www.taxadmin.org/fta/rate/beer.html

    TAX DATA : http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/245.html

    Eight million Undocumented immigrants pay Social Security, Medicare and income taxes. Denying public services to people who pay their taxes is an affront to America’s bedrock belief in fairness. But many “pull-up-the-drawbridge” politicians want to do just that when it comes to Undocumented immigrants.

    The fact that Undocumented immigrants pay taxes at all will come as news to many Americans. A stunning two thirds of Undocumented immigrants pay Medicare, Social Security and personal income taxes.

    Yet, nativists like Congressman Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., have popularized the notion that illegal aliens are a colossal drain on the nation’s hospitals, schools and welfare programs — consuming services that they don’t pay for.

    In reality, the 1996 welfare reform bill disqualified Undocumented immigrants from nearly all means tested government programs including food stamps, housing assistance, Medicaid and Medicare-funded hospitalization.

    The only services that illegals can still get are emergency medical care and K-12 education. Nevertheless, Tancredo and his ilk pushed a bill through the House criminalizing all aid to illegal aliens — even private acts of charity by priests, nurses and social workers.

    Potentially, any soup kitchen that offers so much as a free lunch to an illegal could face up to five years in prison and seizure of assets. The Senate bill that recently collapsed would have tempered these draconian measures against private aid.

    But no one — Democrat or Republican — seems to oppose the idea of withholding public services. Earlier this year, Congress passed a law that requires everyone who gets Medicaid — the government-funded health care program for the poor — to offer proof of U.S. citizenship so we can avoid “theft of these benefits by illegal aliens,” as Rep. Charlie Norwood, R-Ga., puts it. But, immigrants aren’t flocking to the United States to mooch off the government.

    According to a study by the Urban Institute, the 1996 welfare reform effort dramatically reduced the use of welfare by undocumented immigrant households, exactly as intended. And another vital thing happened in 1996: the Internal Revenue Service began issuing identification numbers to enable illegal immigrants who don’t have Social Security numbers to file taxes.

    One might have imagined that those fearing deportation or confronting the prospect of paying for their safety net through their own meager wages would take a pass on the IRS’ scheme. Not so. Close to 8 million of the 12 million or so illegal aliens in the country today file personal income taxes using these numbers, contributing billions to federal coffers.

    No doubt they hope that this will one day help them acquire legal status — a plaintive expression of their desire to play by the rules and come out of the shadows. What’s more, aliens who are not self-employed have Social Security and Medicare taxes automatically withheld from their paychecks.

    Since undocumented workers have only fake numbers, they’ll never be able to collect the benefits these taxes are meant to pay for. Last year, the revenues from these fake numbers — that the Social Security administration stashes in the “earnings suspense file” — added up to 10 percent of the Social Security surplus.

    The file is growing, on average, by more than $50 billion a year. Beyond federal taxes, all illegals automatically pay state sales taxes that contribute toward the upkeep of public facilities such as roads that they use, and property taxes through their rent that contribute toward the schooling of their children.

    The non-partisan National Research Council found that when the taxes paid by the children of low-skilled immigrant families — most of whom are illegal — are factored in, they contribute on average $80,000 more to federal coffers than they consume. Yes, many illegal migrants impose a strain on border communities on whose doorstep they first arrive, broke and unemployed.

    To solve this problem equitably, these communities ought to receive the surplus taxes that federal government collects from immigrants. But the real reason border communities are strained is the lack of a guest worker program.

    Such a program would match willing workers with willing employers in advance so that they wouldn’t be stuck for long periods where they disembark while searching for jobs. The cost of undocumented aliens is an issue that immigrant bashers have created to whip up indignation against people they don’t want here in the first place.

    With the Senate having just returned from yet another vacation and promising to revisit the stalled immigration bill, politicians ought to set the record straight: Illegals are not milking the government. If anything, it is the other way around.

    $ 1,000,000,000

    How many zeros in a billion? This is too true to be funny.

    The next time you hear a politician use the
    Word 'billion' in a casual manner, think about
    Whether you want the 'politicians' spending YOUR tax money.

    A billion is a difficult number to comprehend,
    But one advertising agency did a good job of
    Putting that figure into some perspective in
    One of it's releases.

    A.
    A billion seconds ago it was 1959.
    B.
    A billion minutes ago Jesus was alive.
    C.
    A billion hours ago our ancestors were Living in the Stone Age.
    D.
    A billion days ago no-one walked on the earth on two feet.
    E.
    A billion dollars ago was only
    8 hours and 20 minutes,
    At the rate our government
    Is spending it.

    While this thought is still fresh in our brain...
    let's take a look at New Orleans ...
    It's amazing what you can learn with some simple division.

    Louisiana Senator,
    Mary Landrieu (D)
    Is presently asking Congress for
    250 BILLION DOLLARS
    To rebuild New Orleans . Interesting number...
    What does it mean?
    A.
    Well .. If you are one of the 484,674 residents of New Orleans
    (every man, woman, and child)
    You each get $516,528.
    B..
    Or... If you have one of the 188,251 homes in New Orleans , your home gets $1,329,787..
    C.
    Or... If you are a family of four....
    Your family gets $2,066,012.

    Washington , D. C
    HELLO!
    Are all your calculators broken??
    Building Permit Tax
    CDL License Tax
    Cigarette Tax
    Corporate Income Tax
    Dog License Tax
    Federal Income Tax (Fed)
    Federal Unemployment Tax (FU TA)
    Fishing License Tax
    Food License Tax
    Fuel Permit Tax
    Gasoline Tax
    Hunting License Tax
    Inheritance Tax
    Inventory Tax
    IRS Interest Charges (tax on top of tax)
    IRS Penalties(tax on top of tax)
    Liquor Tax
    Luxury Tax
    Marriage License Tax
    Medicare Tax
    Property Tax
    Real Estate Tax
    Service charge taxes
    Social Security Tax
    Road Usage Tax (Truckers)
    Sales Taxes
    Recreational Vehicle Tax
    School Tax
    State Income Tax
    State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
    Telephone Federal Excise Tax
    Telephone Federal Universal Service Fee Tax
    Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Tax
    Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax
    Telephone Recurring and Non-recurring Charges Tax
    Telephone State and Local Tax
    Telephone Usage Charge Tax
    Utility Tax
    Vehicle License Registration Tax
    Vehicle Sales Tax
    Watercraft Registration Tax
    Well Permit Tax
    Workers Compensation Tax
    (And to think, we left British Rule to avoid so many taxes)

    STILL THINK THIS IS FUNNY?

    Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago.....
    And our nation was the most prosperous in the world.
    We had absolutely no national debt....
    We had the largest middle class in the world.....
    And Mom stayed home to raise the kids.

    What happened?
    Can you spell:
    'POLITICIANS!'

    And I still have to
    Press '1'
    For English.

    I hope this goes around
    the U S A
    At least 100 times

    What the hell happened??? Lets BLAME THE FOOD PICKING, , DISHWASHING, LAWN MOWING UNDOCUMENTED MIGRANTS. YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

    May 9, 2011 at 3:26 pm |
    • guest

      It has been some time since I have so much flawed and falsified data. Illegal aliens contribute nothing to society and need to be deported.

      May 10, 2011 at 8:45 am |
      • XWngLady

        The information is not flawed. The sources are right there for you and anyone else to see and research (unlike how anti-immigration folks just post stuff with nothing to back it up, but fear and insults)...The 'Just boot 'em out' approach is a narrow, uninformed and frankly xenophobic mentality that might be good fodder for the Tea Partiers and Fox News, but it does nothing to solve the Immigration issue in a pragmatic, sensible and humane way.

        May 10, 2011 at 1:06 pm |
      • MACK

        For all the tea-partyers, conservatives, minutemen, and the "send them packing NOW!"crowd, who have built up an immunity to facts and cogent arguments, as well as civility, maybe you can trust this:

        http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/economy/illegal-immigration-provides-benefits-states-despite-rhetoric/

        It's from FOX, so it must be fair and balanced! Right?! It cites a government study done by RED STATE TEXAS coming to the regretful conclusion that the state economy PROFITS from illegal immigrants. Turns out they actually pay more in taxes than taxpayer services they consume to the tune of $424 million net to the taxpayers.

        May 10, 2011 at 7:55 pm |
      • Vence

        Obama 2012

        May 12, 2011 at 3:13 pm |
      • Brian

        I enjoy people speaking about dealing with the illegal immigration issue in a humane way. However ask yourself, did those who made a choice to break our laws act in a humane way towards this country and its residents? Did the illegal immigrants respect the land owners whose property they trashed on their way to acting humane? Is there anything humane about the way this administration is willing to ignore the backgrounds of the criminal illegal aliens and their desire to live here among all the legal citizens of this country? I for one am tired of hearing how we should change our immigration laws to suit the needs of those who refuse to follow our laws. The illegal immigrants should be banned from collecting all federal and state benefits for at least a generation. This country should not reward illegal behavior with federal and state benefits. If they really want to become a citizen of this country, then allow it with the understanding that they nor their children can receive any "benefits". They will simply be working for the "benefits" of their grandchildren.

        May 13, 2011 at 8:42 am |
      • stirringthepot

        Please, I am so tired of the dishwashing lawn mowing argument illegal supporters always throw at this issue. Who do you think did these jobs before illegals? American teenagers did these jobs. Have you noticed how hard is is nowadays for a kid to find a summer job to earn the money to use for, I don't know, college expenses? You people want to throw job opportunities away to those who don't legally belong here. What about our new college grads? now you want American kids who have huge tutition expenses to compete with illegals in our tight job market? Sound treasonous and a bit hypocritical, lets help the illegal but the American citizen can go pound sand.

        May 14, 2011 at 11:36 am |
    • John

      In response to all of your rantings. Look up the story of BO's Aunt Zatunie, an illegal who got free everything and has been a burdon on the state of MA for years. I am sure we can find thousands more of these types of stories.
      BTW, it is not hate if you are just stating facts.

      May 11, 2011 at 11:13 am |
      • guest

        One case is not logically equivalent to all cases or even most cases. Data is a good way to back up your ideas, not confirmation bias.

        May 11, 2011 at 12:36 pm |
      • jeff

        It is true that this is only one case, it is being used as an example because it is undeniable. It is also undeniable that thousands, if not millions of illegals are doing the exact same thing. This leeching off the tax-paying, law abiding citizens of the U.S. must stop

        May 14, 2011 at 1:56 am |
    • Cris

      Thank you, for looking and spreading the truth!

      May 11, 2011 at 4:12 pm |
      • deeliv

        The facts: They can't become citizens because they can't afford to pay taxes, legal cost and medical cost for their large families on their salaries here. The only reason they are here is they can live better in their own country on illegal wages paid here. Maybe a work visa would work and photo social security cards would work otherwise it just talk for Obama to get the Hispanic vote.
        We can not advertise to the world that if you come here illegally we will make you a citizen. We would get the criminals of the world.

        May 12, 2011 at 4:29 pm |
      • Dedu

        I believe in both snotrg immigration policies and a snotrg boarder. There’s nothing wrong with filling “jobs Americans don’t want to do” with Mexican immigrants but these immigrants should be legal and accounted for and if they’re not legal they should not receive welfare, social security and other benefits Americans pay into. If you come into this country to get the benefits of our economy, then you should pay taxes just like everyone else. I do support immigration and legal immigration from Mexico because they are a neighboring nation and we should have snotrg ties with our neighbors. I’m sure some will say that Mexicans were here before the Americans and the Southwest was stolen from them or some crazy stuff like that, so, they have the right to come into this country. But they lost a war and signed a treaty giving the USA that territory, so that argument is ridiculous.Immigration is what made this country great but I think a lot of the arguments about our lack of a boarder in the south, and the rampant illegal Mexican immigration is correct and something must be done to stop it. We shouldn’t deport those that are here but we should just create a snotrg boarder with real security. I think immigrants today come for the same reason and we should accept them as we did before but I think the problem with the Mexican immigration problem is a different issue.

        August 1, 2012 at 4:42 am |
    • Edwin

      This is the worst example you could give. All you are saying is they pay tax when they purchase something. Even babies do that when they reach across the counter for a shiny object. If illegals have a business or build all those buildings you are calculating, then they are doing business without a legal permit using false IDs. You Mexican advocate skew everything to the point that you make it harder on yourselves. Try something unfamiliar for your growth, like being honest, it will make you feel better about yourself. Pass the word.

      May 14, 2011 at 10:14 am |
    • stirringthepot

      Sound like this guy has never visited a California prison, or the pre-school that my son attends which is by the way 90% occupied by anchor babies. By the way because I am employed I am billed 600 bucks a month, but because these other parents are illegal they pay nothing, how do I know this? I talk to the parents and they tell me so. When I was recently laid-off I decided to play the game too, I went back to college and now get free preschool for my son. Thanks taxpayers for paying mine and my illegals friends' way.

      May 14, 2011 at 11:43 am |
    • Mary Holt

      Never have I seen so many lies in one place. The bottom line is they broke the law and therefore should never be allowed citizenship. There anchor babies cost billions to educate, even being born is a freebie to them and there parents. When you add the aunts, uncles and cousins that follow the tens of billions of cost is undeniable. If you are here without being legal, you are a CRIMINAL. Anyone hiring you is a CRIMINAL. Anyone helping is aiding a CRIMINAL. We have laws for a reason and there are a multitude of reasons that all countries have laws regarding citizenship. You are not wanted or needed here and we will not give you amnesty. Go back to your country, it must be ok to be a CRIMINAL there. They have a lot of there citizenry with no respect for the legal system.

      June 9, 2012 at 8:26 am |
  2. FAIR

    Read this link, Whos to blame for our economy, its NOT the poor migrnat. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/market-crash-2011-it-will-hit-by-christmas-2011-02-22

    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/reagan-insider-gop-destroyed-us-economy-2010-08-10

    http://www.alternet.org/immigration/149067/investigation_reveals_the_deception_behind_the_anti-immigrant_movement

    http://www.alternet.org/media/149356/top_10_ways_the_white_nationalist_tanton_network_got_busted_in_2010

    [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukeH99GPMhg&w=640&h=360]

    http://finance.yahoo.com/focus-retirement/article/111582/filing-for-bankruptcy-in-retirement-a-good-thing?mod=fidelity-managingwealth&cat=fidelity_2010_managing_wealth

    It’s all about economics! Removing undocumented workers from the U.S. would total a loss of $1.8 trillion in annual spending and $651.5 billion in annual economic output, according to a study by the economic analysis firm The Perryman Group. It would cost about $28 billion per year to apprehend illegal immigrants, $6 billion a year to detain them, $500 million for extra beds, $2 million to judicially process them and $1.6 billion to transport them home. $230 Billion is the estimated amount it would cost over the next five years to enact the scenario of the mass-deportation caucus and deport the undocumented population, according to a report by the Center for American Progress. Legalization of undocumented immigrants would significantly expand the economy—by a cumulative $1.5 trillion in gross domestic product over 10 years. A deportation approach, by contrast, would have the cumulative effect of draining $2.5 trillion over 10 years from the U.S. economy. Illegal immigrants are paying their share of taxes, they pay teh same taxes as you and me when they purchase anything, They dont carry a card that says Undocumenetd Immigrnat, Dont charge taxes.
    Start looking at FACTS & NUMBERS. Not the HATE GROUPS LIES.

    This week, the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) came out with a report entitled, The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on U.S. Taxpayers, which discusses the costs of unauthorized immigration to the United States. As usual, FAIR has put out a highly misleading fiscal snapshot of the costs allegedly imposed on U.S. taxpayers by unauthorized immigrants and completely discounts the economic contributions of unauthorized workers and consumers. Moreover, FAIR inflates their costs in a variety of ways and conveniently ignores any contributions that would offset these costs.

    While the publication is long and deals with a wide range of issues that warrant more dissection by credible economic experts, the trade publication Education Week has already begun the deconstruction with an item that sheds light on their misleading claims about providing English language services in schools.

    Another argument FAIR makes, which makes it hard to glean what their solution would be is the high cost of deporting undocumented workers which FAIR blames on the immigrants themselves. It's a somewhat circular argument to say that the cost of undocumented immigrants includes the cost of failing law enforcement efforts. So, in essence, FAIR is saying that the deport-them-all approach costs too much money and doesn't work. Yet their "solution" is to spend even more money on enforcement.

    FAIR's data is meant only to reinforce their vision of "attrition through enforcement." It is not rooted in an effort to move the immigration debate forward. Therefore, passing comprehensive immigration reform – which would yield a cumulative $1.5 trillion in added U.S. gross domestic product over 10 years – is the only sound economic decision the United States can make.

    SOURCE Immigration Policy Center

    Who’s behind these laws?

    The Immigration Reform Law Institute, or IRLI, the legal arm of the Federation for American Immigration Reform, or FAIR, drafted the Arizona law and most of the copycat bills. The Southern Poverty Law Center designated FAIR a hate group because of its founder’s writings, its repeated participation with white nationalist groups, and its receipt of major funding from a racist organization.

    Copycat laws frequently rely on the work of attorney Kris Kobach, who works for IRLI. Kobach’s lawyering has cost localities who have hired him millions of dollars while the laws have been found unconstitutional.

    May 9, 2011 at 3:29 pm |
    • Bob

      'Hate Group Lies' = anyone who dissagrees with 'LaRaza' translated from spanish – 'The Race'

      May 9, 2011 at 7:42 pm |
    • guest

      Illegal aliens are not immigrants, they are citizens of another country that have no permission to be here. The solution therefore is simple, they need to go back to where they came from. How is that racist?

      May 10, 2011 at 8:47 am |
      • Ellie Light

        INDIANAPOLIS - Immigration officials say five illegal immigrants arrested during a protest at Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels' office won't be deported.

        The U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement said in a statement Wednesday that it had determined it "was not the best use of the agency's resources" to try to deport them. The Indianapolis Star says the five appeared Wednesday in a Marion County court for a hearing on criminal trespass charges. They're all out on bond.

        The five were part of group of protesters who sought to talk to Daniels about two immigration bills the Republican governor signed Tuesday.

        Read more: http://www.wlky.com/news/27864758/detail.html#ixzz1M8eULPYT

        May 12, 2011 at 1:31 pm |
      • Samira

        I feel that this is an interesting deabte. The push-pull factors are not the same as they were decades ago, in my opinion. As time goes on these factors change because of industrialization. When my parents moved to America in the 70 s it was because there were better opportunities here as opposed to their native South American country. Now a days, I feel that people desire to move to America for the American dream . Many other countries offer the same types of good as we have in America. But it is embedded in the media that America is a fabulous place to live and everyone would try to move here. Ironically enough some people have a harder life in American than they do in their native country because of the financial inequalities.I feel that the immigration policies are not as strict as before. My mother tells me stories that in the 70s people needed to carry their I.D. and/or Visa papers with them just in case they were stopped by the police. Now there are many illegal immigrants in the U.S. especially New York and they can stay here for years without getting caught. However as mentioned before, the undocumented immigrants mostly live a hard life working the shitty underpaid jobs that most Americans do not want.

        August 1, 2012 at 5:43 am |
    • Edwin

      The people making these statistical posts are racists and need excuses for being here swindling us. The numbers provided here are trumped up for the sake of Illegal advocates, and so far they have been liars. If we quit pandering to illegals and if Obama would quit promising amnesty and free college, fine people hiring illegals, and follow the laws, they would have no choice to leave. Most of them go back and forth all the time anyway. We owe illegals nothing, they weren't missed before they came, and they won't be missed after they leave because we can then start bringing in LEGAL immigrants, yes, real IMMIGRANTS, not illegals trying to skew words to fit their sneaky ways.

      May 14, 2011 at 9:29 am |
      • Michael

        I believe iamgirmtion is a major issue today that has to be dealt with. Many illegal immigrants come to our country to work and lead a better life for themselves which is the same reason the previous immigrants from other generations came here. But the main difference is that these immigrants are coming here illegally and not paying any taxes while benefitting from our country by taking jobs from other americans. I am not against iamgirmtion, but I am against illegal immigrants coming to our country and benefiting from our policies like public school which are funded by tax payers money. Immigration policy has to be reformed to curb the amount of illegal immigrants here and make sure most immigrants come here legally. Immigration is a good thing and has helped our country tremendously, but illegal iamgirmtion is hurting our country by taking american jobs especially in a time with so much unemployment and not paying taxes and receiving the benefits of the institutions the tax payer's money goes to. I understand that most illegal immigrants coming here are doing so for the betterment of their families and are trying to seek a better life for their families. These are the same reasons why any immigrants enter America both in the past and present. Therefore the reasons why illegal immigrants come here are not malicious, but its up to our government to reform our current system in such a way that would allow more of an influx of legal immigrants, while at the same time curb the amount of illegal immigrants coming into America.

        July 31, 2012 at 12:09 pm |
  3. A REAL AMERICAN

    Do people read comments that could make a small book? I sure don't! Easy and simple – Obama is only pushing this now cuz its campaign time again, so in true form he panders to the illegal cimrinals and racist advocates. He doesn't care that Americans have always been against another amnesty and the DREAM has died many deaths. Its all about votes for him! Legal citizens see through his charade and know he doesn't care about LEGAL citizens. Deport all illegals and their anchors!

    May 9, 2011 at 5:18 pm |
    • MACK

      Yes, because all "REAL AMERICANS" know that fancy book learning is of the devil! As well as cogent arguments and facts. I almost wish that a "REAL AMERICAN LEADER" would deport all illegals just so we can prove once and for all how wrong they were by pointing out the disaster that would befall the economy as a result. But since I am a man of modest means, I cannot afford such pain and nonsense. If folks are willing to proudly pay a bigotry premium out of their own pockets so they don't have to tolerate illegal immigrants who are a boon the overall economy more than they are a burden, fine. Just don't demand that others be as irrational, hateful and inclined to shooting themselves in the foot as the "REAL AMERICANS" are.

      May 10, 2011 at 7:24 pm |
      • Edwin

        We are tired of having to pay for people and events from years back, also the crimes of people who had slaves. The largest majority of us did not fall in that category, and many had family who helped free slaves from people who did. Where's our thanks for having family members killed, losing limbs, getting mangled, losing homes, livelihood and loved ones to try to help you? Instead we get guilt trips, and hate messages from you. Every country has or has had slaves, and their government wouldn't give you the time of day if you tried to guilt them. I feel sad for blacks from the South, I remember Selma and all the rest, it was horrible. It's my hope they all take advantage of what is available to them today. Many are and many are doinq very well. I refuse to carry guilt for the sins of people before me or situations I had nothing to do with. Others probably feel the same way because we are on overload from people who want.

        May 14, 2011 at 9:48 am |
  4. Bob

    wow – the pro-amnesty spammers are out in force, trying to crowd out the voice of the citizen, along with a touch of McCarthyism labeling anyone who doesnt agree with them a 'Racist'

    Citizen, you helped beat this back countless times in the last decade, and now is not the time to drop your guard – had the Amnesty bills of 2006 or 2007 passed, with 400,000 new guest worker visas on tip of amnesty visas for all, think how bad the unemployment and budget figures would be compared to how bad they already are

    Join NumbersUSA today, just google it! – it's free, fast, and you'll never be blindsided by sneaky bills or amendments they try to slide past you, and you'll have faxes ready to go for your reps

    Or, just sit back and watch your counrty bankrupted by more givaways of all kinds

    May 9, 2011 at 7:34 pm |
  5. Bob

    the citizen has answered this issue countless times

    'Enforce Existing Law'

    May 9, 2011 at 7:37 pm |
  6. Tsu

    BOYCOTT this speech!! NO MORE SPEECHES! We Are Tired!

    May 9, 2011 at 9:09 pm |
  7. willard

    Kick out of presdient obama 2012

    May 10, 2011 at 1:51 am |
  8. guest

    Illegal aliens cost the nation 29 Billion per year in direct costs alone. They can be found in all kinds of business, poultry, construction, agriculture and even with big name brands. Coca Cola, Mc Donalds and Burger King have been caught employing illegal aliens. They are a drain on society. Money earned in the US gets shipped to their own country while they spend the minimum possible here. The worst effect they have is on wage scales. Since employers can hire illegals for less than regular workers because they don't have to pay taxes and social benefits over them, they compete unfairly with businesses that do comply with the law, effectively pushing them out of business. Illegal aliens further bankrupt hospitals and schools by demanding benefits they should not even be entitled to. The fact that they are here illegally is a crime in itself. On top of that there is a whole gang structure, making the crime problem even worse. Yet, it is not the illegals themselves that are guilty of all this. It is those that hire or support them that is the issue. Take them out and the problem will resolve itself. The problem can be fixed easily. Have those that employ or support illegal aliens pay for deportation costs and illegally gained profits. This needs to be accompanied by a generous guest worker program. Illegal aliens contribute nothing to the economy. They are criminals and should be treated as such.

    May 10, 2011 at 8:26 am |
    • XWngLady

      Please provide facts and not opinions or tea-party talking points...How much do illegal immigrants MAKE per year, and what percentage or how much of the overall number is actuall remitted back to their countries of origin? How much do local businesses MAKE off of illegal labor and/or off of the goods and services that illegals purchase from them?.... I am not a proponent of blanket amnesty, but I think that this type of throwing around of random, incomplete numbers is not helpful to the conversation and only leads to hate and fear among legal Americans.

      May 10, 2011 at 12:54 pm |
      • Jay in NC

        Where are your facts and figures?

        May 13, 2011 at 9:09 pm |
    • Iris

      You are totally wrong. The people that are working at McDonald's that have all their papers in order is because they are too lazy to study or go to school! Illegal immigrants only take those jobs because they don't have a choice. Although as an illegal immigrant you may have your associates or even your masters, it is hard(almost impossible) to get a job elsewhere such as a hospital even if you are a RN. Yes there are a lot of illegal immigrants that commit crime but the majority of illegal aliens are only here to work and live a normal life.

      And what you say that the illegal immigrants send money back to their country is only because they do not have a promised future here and they do not know if the next day they will be kicked out of the country! If illegal immigrants were able to work and live legally in the US they would buy homes and cars and help the US economy. The majority of illegals don't buy homes because they are afraid of what is to become of their future. Will they be deported? Will they lose their job because they checked their papers? It is impossible to know. The hispanic community is saving their money more than ever because they do not know how bad things will get for them. The laws are only getting harder but no type of reform is being offered-not even for students.

      The bottom line is if illegal aliens were legally allowed to work in the US they would definitely contribute more to the economy.

      And they do pay taxes unlike what everyone thinks! They are not criminals as you say.

      May 10, 2011 at 4:46 pm |
      • guest

        Iris, and XWngLady your logic is flawed. People that come legally to the United States are called immigrants. Illegal aliens are not supposed to be here in the first place, hence the term "illegal." If they were allowed to work in the US legally, they would be called legal immigrants wouldn't they? Guess what? Thousands of legal immigrants already come to the US yearly to build up a new future. They are blocked because illegal aliens are stealing their jobs and benefits. As for the facts, take your head out of your behind and look on serious websites instead of those that cater to illegal aliens. Even a leftist country like the Netherlands states that illegal aliens are a drain on society. The reason for this is that they undercut the wages and keep the lower classes out of work, thereby forcing businesses that operate legally out of business and people that are not highly skilled into welfare. As for your "Tea party" argument, the fiercest opponents of illegal aliens are legal immigrants. Guess what? They are not right wing. Most of them are Hispanics who are sick and tired of seeing the criminals they wanted to get away from being catered to by stupid and shortsighted American lawmakers.

        May 11, 2011 at 7:49 am |
  9. james

    This is becoming old and tiresome. Our county will not do away will illegal aliens. American business owners will not stop hiring them. All of us who are screaming that we do not want criminal mexicans amungst us are wasting our voices. The people in power and the people who own businesses care nothing about our voices. They only want money. They only want votes. Face it, for rich people, illegal aliens are not a problem. They don't live near them. They don't have to deal with them. In their little world, illegal aliens don't exist except as tools to make them more money and to bring them more votes. Our entire social/political/economic system is corrupt. Face it people. This country will not address this problem until we are a breath away from total collapse.

    May 10, 2011 at 11:37 am |
    • Bob

      wrong

      if people like NumbersUSA members had been silent in 2006 and 2007, Amnesty would have passed, period. and you would be subsidizing cheap labor and crime way more than you are now, and we would be hoplessly past the point of no return on the way to becoming a 3rd world dump

      It was barely held back – NumbersUSA members have held back nearly every immigration increase in the last decade, because no matter how sneaky or beligerently they try to shove it down our throats, their members find out about it and shower their reps with phone calls and faxes letting them know the citizen is watching

      "This country will not address this problem until we are a breath away from total collapse."

      you think we arent now?!?!?

      May 10, 2011 at 2:28 pm |
      • wisco

        NumbersUSA CIS and Fair are Front Groups for John Tantons Racist Anti immigration movement. Might as well call them The mainstream version of theKlan

        May 13, 2011 at 6:35 am |
  10. Tomtom Chantchant

    Obama's pro cheap labor, gangs, drugs, smuggling, kidnapping, and Mexican economy bailout speech.

    He should give his speech in front of the Bureau of Land Management signs in Arizona warning people to avoid certain areas because of smuggling and illegal immigration.

    Wonder how many dollars leave the country each year via remittance by illegals.

    Still recall a PBS show from a few years back. Wisconsin dairy farmer supposedly couldn't find any citizen willing to work for $30,000 per year. That's $14.42/hour. So he got workers from Mexico.

    Can't see why anyone who legally emigrated here would want any form of illegality to follow them to their better life. Half of my side emigrated from a country that fell behind the Iron Curtain. They sure as hell wouldn't have wanted communism to follow them to the US.

    May 10, 2011 at 4:43 pm |
  11. Bob Buck

    The DREAM act is a nightmare and the only thing broken about our immigration policy is lack of enforcement. If Democracy is what the President wants than why not let it take it's course. The majority of this country does not want the kind of reform he is talking about, they want border security and enforcement of our current laws. Anything other than that is not going to happen, as his predecessor can tell him.

    May 11, 2011 at 12:41 pm |
    • Ellie Light

      INDIANAPOLIS - Immigration officials say five illegal immigrants arrested during a protest at Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels' office won't be deported.

      The U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement said in a statement Wednesday that it had determined it "was not the best use of the agency's resources" to try to deport them. The Indianapolis Star says the five appeared Wednesday in a Marion County court for a hearing on criminal trespass charges. They're all out on bond.

      The five were part of group of protesters who sought to talk to Daniels about two immigration bills the Republican governor signed Tuesday.

      Read more: http://www.wlky.com/news/27864758/detail.html#ixzz1M8eULPYT

      May 12, 2011 at 1:29 pm |
  12. Dumb American

    The hatred that goes around in these forums are just unbelievable. People are so ignorant and racist. " Deport them" really? How logic and feasible is that? Whos going to cut your lawn? Cook your food? Clea your house? Americans???? good luck with that!! The day that this happens we all are going to be paying $40 for a pound of tomatoes.
    Do you really believe in God? So why you insult his sons and daughters?

    May 11, 2011 at 1:57 pm |
    • tim

      It's about fairness to U.S. citizens. No other nation even talks about making citizens of those who enter a nation illegally and abuse the local citizens. There is nothing to apologize for in defending our citizens jobs, security and political rights.
      You can make it about race if you want, but it's about laws that protect our citizens....something our President doesn't get.

      May 13, 2011 at 4:02 pm |
  13. Uriel

    I am not going to sit here and completely deny everything negative that can be said about the push for the DEAM act, but a few things are just misinformed or just outright silly.

    First of all, the DREAM act does not grant all illegal immigrants with citizenship. Not by a long shot. It applies only to people who immigrated to the US when they were children (ie. not through their own free will). It grants provisional permanent residency (NOT CITIZENSHIP). Anyone who qualifies through age has to either attend an accredited university or join the military for two years in order to qualify (in other words, it will not increase the precious unskilled labor force that is being mentioned so often). If these conditions are not met the residency is revoked. Not only that, but there is essentially a parole period (for lack of a better word) where if the applicant commits a crime or is involved in any other kind of illegal activity the residency is revoked. Even with their residency an applicant has to wait for the parole period to end to even become eligible to apply for citizenship (I believe it's 4 years, but someone will have to check that).

    This bill WILL NOT give legal status to criminals. Anyone with a record will not be granted residency, and anyone that commits a crime will have it revoked.

    This bill WILL NOT destroy the country and everyone in it. I can't even come up with a reason to contradict this other than just to say that people have been immigrating into the US since, well, forever, and we're still here. It's nothing but fear mongering. It is, by far, completely and absolutely, the silliest, just plain insane reason you could have to be against immigration. You think it will raise your taxes? Ok. You think it somehow hurts the healthcare or education system? Ok. You think immigrants are stealing your jobs or your car or waiting to stab you in an ally? Fine, that's a bit of a stretch in itself, but fine. But thinking that the government will collapse and we will have a post-apocalyptic world where a wasteland is populated by criminals and murderers and all hell will break loose... give me a break. Glenn Beck is losing his job next year 'cause even Bill O'reilly thinks that's nonsense.

    This bill does NOT APPLY TO EVERYONE. Just because there are 8-12 million illegal immigrants doesn't mean that you're going to wake up tomorrow morning and all of a sudden have 12 million new legal residents in the US. It is meant only to help immigrant children who can constructively contribute to society. It will help college graduates and soldiers.

    I feel that the DREAM act and the illegal immigrant issue, while similar, are two separate things. Yes, they are still illegal immigrants, but the DREAM makes sure that only contributing members of society are admitted, something which the US has allowed for generations upon generations, and to its benefit!

    Illegal immigration is a problem, but lets not make a mountain out of a mole hill. Regardless of whether you think immigrants contribute to or hurt the economy, Immigrants have nothing to do with the current economic climate. I didn't see any illegal immigrants working for Goldman Sachs or AIG. Illegal immigrants aren't raising your gas prices. I think any numbers you can find anywhere, either for or against immigrant labor will obviously have some margin of error (since you are essentially working with estimates at every step of the way), but I can tell you a few things of which I am 100% sure. Illegals workers have as many taxes removed from their pay check as anybody else. Social security, state and federal income tax, etc. Obviously any sales tax is unavoidable as well. I can't comment as to if that equals the supposed cost they place on their community, but I honestly don't think anyone can with 100% accuracy.

    Even if you happen to disagree with any part of this, really, what is a feasible alternative to help this situation? Anyone that says 'just kick them all out' is incredibly short sighted. You take 12 million people out of any economy and you're going to feel it. Hard. Specially considering that the necessary resources to do that kind of thing aren't exactly readily available in this political climate of severe budget cuts and fiscal reform. Deportations are already at an all time high as it is, so it's not like the government is asleep at the wheel. There is no solve all, magic solution. The DREAM Act is actually part of the solution. It helps those who want to be productive members of society be just that. Unfortunately it is just being thrown under the bus as some kind of vote pandering, crime-friendly open door policy.

    It would be refreshing to see both sides of the argument presented on even ground, with fully informed opinions, and not just shouting matches. There are legitimate concerns on both sides, but the problem is that no one listens to the best most informed opinions, just the loudest ones.

    May 11, 2011 at 8:17 pm |
    • Edwin

      I have never read such crap in my life. Who ever you are it's clear you are a Mexican Advocate. I just watched CNN and the black host did every thing he could to debunk the new Georgia law saying the Governor would be perceived as mean, people wouldn't go to that state, have their conventions there, everything Mexicans tried to do to Az, but, it didn't happen. Then the guest the black host had to debunk the new law, was a Mrs. Brenner, who just sat there and bold faced lied, saying the restauranteurs couldn't find anyone else to work except illegals (lie) they tried (lie) and families will be separated, blah, blah. Then she lied so badly the black guy called her on it and she had to back track.She pulled the same old rhetoric we are so tired of. Your illegal Mexicans and token Asians she threw in at the last second, knew you could be deported when you got here. Your illegals purposely had babies in hopes it would be harder to deport them. Your lies just make everyone more disgusted with Mexicans and bring on hate. The bottom line is you don't belong here and you know it so you lie. We are tired of your "silent take over of America", theft, swindling and lying. Your advocates including Harry Reid, LaRaza and Obama lie and Ms. Brenner. You are a pack of takers and liars. Liars. CNN is your only hope and they have always lied, especially at election time and about threatening politicians.Thats why CNN is never first. Illegals go home and take your anchor babies, we're tired of paying your kids monthly stipend and free schools. We're tired of the diseases you bring here, small pox and whooping cough that killed over 80 children in CA alone. Your elderly stealing from SS, and your people signing into our hospitals for kidney dialysis, end life treatments, cancer treatments. We know exactly what goes on. I have only hated 2 people in my whole live for severe reasons, I don't even like the word, but, you illegal advocates, and the way you act and lie have brought out hate in this country. Liar. Go ahead and sue, after awhile you will go broke because states are writing their laws so they will pass the supreme court.
      Civil rights are for legals not illegals. The title "immigrant" is for legals not illegals. CNN hangs with liars and have become the company they keep. CNN allows it's anchors to twist the truth, slander and poke fun of people like a bunch of teen agers.

      May 14, 2011 at 9:01 am |
      • Uriel

        I would say I'm an 'unwilling child immigrant' advocate, if anything. Nationality has nothing to do with it, but if that matters to you, label it however you want (I'd probably stop referring to the CNN anchorman as 'the black host' though).

        Like I said, both sides have valid points. Your point about any tax drain is obviously valid. As I said, with sales taxes, the labor contribution to industries that rely on unskilled labor (agriculture, mostly), and paycheck deductions that everyone pays I don't think the number is as inflated as some make it out to be, but it's a legitimate concern. I don't mean to defend any adult that makes the conscious decision to come to the US illegally. They know what they are doing, they feel it is something they have to do to survive, and I'm sure they understand the consequences that come with that. It is their choice. However, sometimes children are brought along with their parents, through no fault of their own. Often times it is when they are so young that they have no recollection of their native country. To these children the United States is their home, the place they grew up in and the place where their friends live. These are the people I want to defend, and always will. They are not criminals, they are just children who had no choice, and there has to be a better way to provide restitution for whatever they are being accused of than to be forced to once again leave their homes to go to yet another foreign country (because that is what their country of birth is to them now). That's what the DREAM act is all about. It provides this children with a way to make their perceived home their ACTUAL home. You can research it all you want, it's not a big secret. I'll even give you a link.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DREAM_Act

        Like I said, it's part of the solution, not the problem. It's a separate entity than the outright illegal immigration issue. It WILL HELP.

        I can't say that I am without bias, but it is just so logical. I hate having it be thrown together with other immigration issues that are, quite honestly, just as logical. Should the government require stricter identification standards for workers? Yes, why not? It sounds logical, I have no problem against that. Should the government actively see to it that illegal immigration does not spin out of control? Sure, it's their job. As I mentioned, deportations are already at an all time high, so they're doing it as we speak. Should employers who hire illegal immigrants be fined? Makes sense, get on it. It's all only logical, right? Well, it's only logical that an unwilling participant to any kind of misdemeanor be given a chance to redeem that transgression and make up for it by studying, graduating, working, paying taxes, or serving in the armed forces.

        It is a bill that is unfortunately dragged on with other immigration issues, even by those who support it. Many families have mixed nationalities within immediate family members that are citizens by birth or marriage or other legal pathways to residency, and others that are not. This invariably causes all of them to speak against anything that will hurt part of their family. I think anyone would if in that situation. I find it to be somewhat detrimental to the cause of the DREAM act for supporters to want it to pass while at the same time opposing e-verify cards or employer sanctions, but that's just reality for those type of families. If you want to complain about that, fine, but do not miss my point. The DREAM act is part of the solution, just like any other logical proposed reform. It does not belong in the same category as the amnesty act of the 80s, it is not a free ride, and anyone that says that has not read the bill and is probably just repeating something they heard on some TV news cast (if CNN lies, then by God, I can only assume they got the idea from Fox News).

        And besides, the United States government is not President Obama. The government is every politician in Washington. Even if in some demented dream President Obama wanted to give everyone amnesty (he doesn't, by the way, and anyone that says he does is either delusional or outright lying. He is as much of a politician as anyone else that has been president, and if people could look past the color of his skin, they would see that. He hasn't closed Gitmo, his healthcare reform wasn't all that comprehensive, he hasn't done anything for the gay community that he hasn't been drastically pressured into doing, he continued the Bush tax cuts for the upper 1% of the population despite severe deficits and continued spending, and the financial reform to make sure the banking crisis of two years ago has been minimal at best), there's no way that would pass either the house or the senate, so stop worrying about that. That President Obama has shown support for the DREAM act is more than likely a political ploy on his part. But I don't care. Whatever helps this bill get in the spotlight, so be it. If you hate that particular person in CNN, you are welcomed to, it's your choice. I don't know who that person is, or what they said, but like anybody else, she is her own person with her own opinions. The DREAM act will never pass into legislation unless other provisions are included, like e-verify, employer sanctions, and increased border security, and I am 100% ok with that. I honestly believe that it may end up hurting some aspect of the economy, such as food prices, unless a farm worker program is also established, but we'll have to just wait and see. The issue of adult illegal immigrants is not my battle to wage, and good luck to anyone that wants to. I just want children to stop being referred to as criminals when their opinion on where they wanted to grow up wasn't even taken into consideration.

        May 25, 2011 at 12:01 am |
  14. J. Redfeather

    LoL .... What do the English Pilgrims, African slaves, Chinese, Irish, Italian, German, Polish, Russian, Vietnamese, Koreans, Mexicans, Colombians, Cubans all have in common? They were and ARE immigrants!! 🙂 Is this or was this their native land? No. Did they have a right to be here? No...they stole it from the natives who ruled it....but if you're one of those who "get offended" by anyone saying your great grand folks "stole it" then explain to me and the rest of us why my great grand mother of Cherokee blood was sent to live at a reservation camp away from where our ancestors lived for years before the English or Spanish arrived. True....Hispanic immigrants have no right to be here legally ACCORDING TO THE LAWS CREATED BY FOREIGN DECENDANTS who were born and raised here, but if that's the case and any offspring is nothing better than an "anchor baby" from an illegitimate group of people waiting to reap the benefits of living the American dream then EVERY single generation of people who have come to this country since the 1600 should be deported to their original lands of origin. By the way....to all of those who claim deportation and say that your feelings are not based on racial prejudices.....Really? You wanting to get rid of people from another race because they make your "living space" inconvenient is not racist? How is that not any different than people loyal to the 3rd Reich wanting to get Jews out of Germany? or any different than KKK fanatics wanting for blacks to go back to Africa? or even Southerners who thought Jim Crow laws were needed law to keep the world a better place? Because you are not taking the same extreme measures THOSE people took? Okay....let's put that into perspective... but violence or history aside...think about it for a second ...Now, let's say you move into a rich Spanish neighborhood somewhere in Mexico... you are German-Irish.....blond, blue eye...the whole nine yards…..and besides you there's only already another person from American (could be African American to add to your point of YOU not being a racist).....suddenly....one of your neighbors starts making comments as to how "these people are beginning to move into our 'hood'" and how "this is only going to be a burden"...in fact he and other people from the block agree...they say…“we don't want these people living here because we were here first!” added to that “they should go to wherever they came from because they do not speak the native language & they simply have no legal right to be there.” Then....for the f*cking sake of argument....another American person moves in!....now the neighbors start getting more agitated daily and they star protesting in masses....then when someone asks one of the native Mexican people, "why do you want these people to move out of here so badly?" he or she say, "Is not because we hate them...WE are NOT being racist AT ALL....we just want these Americans to stop moving into our neighborhood!" How is this not racist?.... I think people who take this approach...regardless of being American or not.... are consumed by a combination of ignorance, hate. and fear that was fed to them by their ancestors. Usually, these type of people care only about having a place filled with people of their own. They use phrases like "we build this country!" ....but I say...YOU BUILT NOTHING!!! I think that the rail-roads and the highways were pretty much built up by 1979. I say you people are hypocritical cowards.....you ask for "a stronger border" policy and you say things like 'these people make a mockery out of our legal system!" but you are way too lazy to go to the actual border to do anything about it & they only way to do anything about it is voting for nut bags, blaming the government, praising some pu**y who tells you about taxes, job losses, & the bad economy without any other proof than the issue being a Conservative or Liberal issue ....then, you say "border security is the government's job!….then you b*ch, “boy!…they suck at it!" and at the same time you say "WE WANT LIMITED GOVERMENT!" WHO UNDERSTANDS WHAT YOU WANT???!!!....face it...your only accomplishments are watching five minutes of a news segment in your living room on a daily basis and letting fear of anything take control over you.... YOU ONLY WANT CERTAIN PEOPLE TO BE SUCESSEFUL and you claim ownership rights to a place whose ideals you barely know off. The only ones you know are they right to bear arms and the right of the pursuit of happiness….you right of “all men are created equal” only applies to people you consider can relate to you in a way you find convenient…..& BTW…..I don’t hate you…. I just feel sorry for you…. If these people you dislike being here are actually allowed to state you’re going to feel like an idiot and at the end of the day you would have to follow the routine…smile pretty & pretend nothing happened… so keep claiming how “the government lies” you idiots…ALL GOVERNMENT’S LIE….hey…we all know that….the real question is….are you being honest with yourself? About your hatreds? Your inhibitions? The knowledge behind the things you know you think you do? If you answer yes and say “ I have nothing to prove to you or anyone” ….that’s fine….why bother to even post anything after this….if you do then you’re proving my point & to be quite honest whatever you say I know for a fact it will be an excuse for the twisted person you and many others like you really are 🙂

    May 12, 2011 at 1:17 am |
    • Uriel

      Hah. That was a bit harsh, but one of the most logical things I've read on any of these boards. Sadly, that's probably why it'll go unnoticed. Too damn logical.

      May 13, 2011 at 12:15 am |
      • RD2 in Louisiana

        How is that logical? His analogy doesn't even fit. People are not boycotting mexicans moving into their neighborhoods, they are fighting against ILLEGALS coming here in the first place. As soon as someone enters this country ILLEGALLY, they are breaking the law, and therefore CRIMINALS. No exceptions. They broke the law when they broke into our country.

        May 15, 2011 at 7:17 pm |
    • guest

      What a lot of nonsense. Most legal immigrants came here after the Indians were driven from their home land. This was a crime, committed by the US government of that time. The same goes for the Spanish immigrants in South America. They were even worse, they did not put the local inhabitants in reservations but massacred them. Since then times have changed, new borders have been drawn and new laws have been made. Legal immigrants are welcome in the United States. Illegal aliens however are criminals. Comparing them to immigrants is like comparing a burglar with a welcome house guest. They need to go.

      May 14, 2011 at 9:17 am |
      • SonofMarx

        Amen

        May 14, 2011 at 12:16 pm |
    • Edwin

      I agree it's sad what happened to Indians. I know my Indian neighbors, and we are sad what people did back in those days when they conquered other countries and America, much the same as when one Indian tribe conquered another Indian tribe. It's too sad Indians weren't more developed so they could fight back better, but, that's how it was back then. My Indian neighbors now own 2 nice cabins, and their children got sent to college on money from casinos. They drive nice cars, and their parents have good jobs. Their sister will retire next year at the age of 48 her Indian husband retired early too, at 52, they just bought an old Church to remodel for another cabin in another location. I am not going to feel guilty for what people did 4 hundred years ago, no matter how hard you try. Indians did not set up a government that kept up with the rest of the world. If it weren't us taking over it would be some other country, and if they did, you would be worse off than you are now because it would be a land of a hundred little countries, and the Indians fate would still be the same or worse. This country would be a poor 2nd or 3rd rate country like Mexico. Try some other excuse for illegals to be here.

      May 14, 2011 at 9:20 am |
    • Edwin

      And your point is? Sounds to me that you think we are supposed to just sit idly by and let our country go to Mexico so you will feel better. Your speech is full of spite no matter how intellectually written, but then, you have the right think and feel the way you do, as do those you are preaching too.

      May 14, 2011 at 9:59 am |
  15. Ray E. Georgia

    Well,
    I am sorry for the illegal in this country or whatever you call them. BUT, I didn't invite them in and i'm dammed if I will have them come un invited and then tell me how to run my country. Sorry but the American People are not ging to grant any of you Amnesty. If you want to become a Citizen there is already a process to do that. Otherwise point your nose at the Border and follow it until you are out of the U.S. of A.

    May 12, 2011 at 12:51 pm |
  16. Ellie Light

    we need to ENFORCE our laws and lock down the border –prime example of the current administrations inaction on immigration–Obama just wants the illegals votes he will need in 2012
    INDIANAPOLIS - Immigration officials say five illegal immigrants arrested during a protest at Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels' office won't be deported.

    The U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement said in a statement Wednesday that it had determined it "was not the best use of the agency's resources" to try to deport them. The Indianapolis Star says the five appeared Wednesday in a Marion County court for a hearing on criminal trespass charges. They're all out on bond.

    The five were part of group of protesters who sought to talk to Daniels about two immigration bills the Republican governor signed Tuesday.

    Read more: http://www.wlky.com/news/27864758/detail.html#ixzz1M8eULPYT

    May 12, 2011 at 1:28 pm |
    • Juci

      I think that there are some migrations poelciis that are necessary but I do not agree with all of them. I agree with those poelciis that for example deport illegal immigrants that are criminals and unfortunately come to this country to get so many benefits and do not do much or even nothing for this nation. However, I understand those other illegal immigrants that have to leave their nations because they have no economic opportunities in their countries, and they see the USA as an exit to poverty, but I think they should try to migrate through a legal way so that might make their lives easier in this country and would not affect much this nation. I am pretty sure that immigrants now come to this country for the same reasons as immigrants from previous generations, people come to get better economic opportunities, or because they’re escaping from persecution or want religion freedom etc. and I think in a way this illegal migrations cause certain problems, because people have complained about how illegal immigrant are taking their jobs, however it also cause problems to the illegal immigrants themselves because they are exploded and have to face racism and abuse in their work area.

      August 2, 2012 at 12:28 am |
  17. Rick McDaniel

    Nothing but a campaign issue, and that's all. Obama will do nothing but campaign from this point forward, because he knows he can no longer get any of his wishes through Congress.

    May 12, 2011 at 7:29 pm |
  18. TXTUNES

    PLEDGES....politicians are great at making unfulfilled pledges like Shovel ready jobs, Emergency Stimulus to create jobs, lower healthcare costs & keep your doctor, reduce the defecit by 1/2 in first term, reduce energy dependence, invest in green energy grid, change the view of the USA globally, unite America, no lobbyists or special interests in my administration....
    .....................but the abandon the PLEDGES that matter.
    THE PLEDGE TO UPHOLD THE CONSTITUTION.................THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIENCE

    May 12, 2011 at 11:32 pm |
    • tim

      Ironic that an American President who pledges to uphold the Constitution (defend our nation) actually encourages the invasion of our nation, and the overthrow of our democracy by the mass importation of unknow peoples to become "citizens". Where but in America would this even be debated? It speaks volumes about this President. It's up to citizens to get in this fight and flood their representatives phones with their feelings about this treason.

      May 13, 2011 at 3:44 pm |
  19. tim

    We all know that illegal immigration is wrong and hurts the job opportunities of our poorest citizens, promotes crime, increases local taxes to support the programs needed by those making $7.00/hr, and ultimately, will hi-jack our political system and create a single party welfare state. This is the real DREAM of Obama, Durbin, Schumer and Reid. To see what you can do to prevent this nightmare, go to FAIRUS.org. Get in this fight before it's too late.

    May 13, 2011 at 3:31 pm |
  20. California Conservative

    Obama will lose on this one.

    Secure the border and enforce our laws.

    May 13, 2011 at 8:37 pm |
  21. Liz Carter in Georgia

    @J. Redfeather; I so agree with your post. You really laid it out here. It was so laymanly broken down, that even a fool ought not error! It is totally the TRUTH! I'm an AFRICAN AMERICAN whose paternal grandfather was the son of a full-blooded Cherokee and an African American (freed slave woman); maternally, my great-great grandfather was mixed Cherokee (Creek) with black/white mulatto. We certainly have been tossed, turned, tainted, treated with indignancy, hate and disrespect for centuries! It's denied!!

    May 13, 2011 at 11:40 pm |
    • guest

      How can you be an "African American"? You are either one or the other. There are only Americans in this country. Everybody is supposed to be equal.

      May 14, 2011 at 9:21 am |
      • Jay in NC

        guest, Liz is a known racist. I have called here out on this many many times. She often says that black men work harder than white men. Also she once claimed that the term African-American was given by the white man as a derogatory term. Well the truth is a poem by the name of "I Can" created the term African American in 1987. The poem was written by Johnny Duncan (black man). It appeared in The 1987 Black History Calendar, and all subsequent editions through 1993.

        It has been said before but worth saying again, a hyphenated america is a divided america.

        May 14, 2011 at 9:33 am |
    • PROUDtobeAmerican_and_RED

      LIz get a life. I know this that the whites have done more to correct their ways than any other race. Look at Mexico you dont see many races mixed like you do here. Look at the middle east they never will allow others to live in peace. The Whites fought their own brothers in the Civil war so that good would prevail whites fought the Germans and Japs in WWII so that you could sit by and whine about how a bad we are treated to day. BS. You did know that we redmen held SLAVES or did you want to forget the past in favor or your obvious racial hatred for the White man?

      May 15, 2011 at 4:25 pm |
  22. IllegalsareTURDS

    These turds come here demanding rights they DO NOT HAVE and call use names. They are to cowardly and stupid to make thier homland better even their own country does not want them.

    May 14, 2011 at 9:10 am |
  23. ron

    Obama made jokes at the border the other day ,said border safe as can be. Obama lies,covers up,blames others,as all far left liberals do. they offer nothing to help the country,our country,not mexicos. Obama goes to other places helps them,he helps and wants illegal aliens here. for hes voting base . local law enforcement left to fight drug cartels,being murdered,piles of bodies being found near the border evryday ,yet nothing done about it by the criminal government in mexico,and our Obama on our side. face it obama is a smooth talking ,socialist,communist,far left ,place the blame on others president. he only helps himself ,hes agendas,other countries,never us ,only hes base cool aid drinking stupid voters.He takes credit for anything good,like OBL killing,which he only ok'd the raid,any president would have,but does nothing to help our economy,our people at all

    May 14, 2011 at 9:40 am |
  24. Dalson

    Americans will continue to lose many of their factories and industries to China, India, and Brazil in the next decades. Yet they want to deport the last bit of cheap labor that they have. Those countries will continue to grow massively, faster than the U.S., until their wages are equal everywhere. In the future, professions will earn the same money anywhere in the world.

    Americans don't seem to understand that if they want their desk jobs back, they need to have a massive amount of people in their borders that are willing to compete against the labor force of other countries. Immigration is the only thing that can save America.

    May 14, 2011 at 11:55 am |
  25. como1

    For Stevie above. If entering the US is a crime and 100% of illegal aliens commit that crime how do illegals have reduced crime rates? Seal the borders, create structure that forces illegals to self deport. It can be done and the laws are already on the books. Funds the states to enforce illegal aliens control at their level. It is oxymoronic to say this is a federal problem when state cooperate with the feds in nearly all other areas of law enforcement.

    May 15, 2011 at 11:24 am |
  26. PROUDtobeAmerican_and_RED

    Screw that quilt and all the flags on it EXCEPT THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. The rest are good for wiping your butt.

    May 15, 2011 at 6:01 pm |
    • Abigail

      I find it quite ironic how the same reentnmsets and feelings are given off to a specific immigrant group just as natives resented Irish and then Italians early in our history. Most of those who argue towards immigration reform do it for economic and security reasons, especially now with the escalation of the drug war in Mexico, yet many others feel uncomfortable with this new kind of immigration once again ironic to the discussions in class over the way Americans felt of the new wave of immigrants. Many say immigrants take away jobs yet the jobs they claim the immigrants take, no citizen would ever consider doing the same line of work. The U.S. should think in bigger terms when it comes to immigration, perhaps internationally creating economic programs with Mexico to help Mexico and neighboring countries expand businesses and create better stability in the southern border. There are many things that can be done without trying to exclude a certain immigration class. This country will always to a certain degree attract immigrants from all countries, thats how it started and how it comes to be. Our jobs as Americans is to try our best to welcome new immigrants and assist in assimilating them to this country through educational and economic programs.

      August 1, 2012 at 5:43 am |
  27. Liz Carter in Georgia

    Jay, you're embellishing the truth about me making the mention in a post that I said black men have always had to work harder than the white man. I did say it in the context of comparing that fact right down to even PRESIDENT OBAMA! You said I'd made that mention often; you are lying! I never said the whiteman gave us African-American; I said we gave that designation to ourselves. Whites gave us negro, the N-word, colored and many other degrading names! I'm a known racist to whom? YOU? You cons do lie well!

    May 19, 2011 at 12:39 am |
    • Ilyas

      The factors puhnisg immigrants in to the Untied States for the most part is still the same, especially when talking about Mexico , they are coming here because they want opportunity that they don't have in their current country. I work in a restaurant where there is all immigrants either from Ecuador or Mexico who are working like dogs for little pay, how they survive in this economy is beyond me but there has to be reasons to why they are staying , better and safer future for their children being a primary concern. Some immigrants face many problems because they cannot gain citizenship it has become much harder since the early 1900’s wave of immigration, and these people are left without health care and without any benefits. Recently unmoral Conservatives in Arizona were working against illegal immigrants and trying to detain and deport them of our country. To become a citizen can be costly and a real pain , so it is something that needs to be worked on. Our country is suppose to be a land of equal opportunity and freedom and that’s what has always attracted these immigrant , but unfortunately we are not making it easy for these immigrants , I believe the policy needs to be improved , but I’m not sure how prominent it is to deal with when we think of all the problems America is facing, like health care which is completely unequal in America and also hard to obtain, so although Immigration is an issue and I hope that it improves so we can make it easier and less costly for immigrants but at the same time there are a lot issues that current citizens are facing and needs to be worked on.

      July 31, 2012 at 12:52 pm |
  28. Liz Carter in Georgia

    I'm a barometer so to speak of racists antics, a self-made designator or identifier of racism or the race-based tendencies of the dominant race as it's subtly still thrusted upon American non-whites. I call it out when I see or hear it and if that makes me a racist in anyones eyes, I'm sorry! However, to all of you who've been living in America and watching this perpetual hateful dog & pony show being lodged against this PRESIDENT and even his supporters, and sit in denial about it, are worse than racists!

    May 19, 2011 at 1:00 am |
    • VeniceBeach

      I think that immigration in reenct years brings up the same controversies it did in previous generations. These concerns include taking away job opportunities from Americans who are more adequate for jobs because immigrants work more cheaply, also over population leads to more government spending for financial support of these immigrants who come here with little means to support themselves. They lack the education needed to compete for higher end jobs and unfortunately our government does have to put out money to account for these inequalities. I personally think immigration is fine, I think a lot of countries don't provide people with the same opportunities as we do and a lot of people are oppresses, and America has always built its reputation as being the land of opportunity. However, I think that there should be stricter policies to ensure that these immigrants (at least the capable ones) like so many others don't come here and get jobs off the books so they can continue getting government aid when they're fully capable of working because it depletes our economy. Maybe if there was some sort of better system. Also, I think that if it were made easier for immigrants to acquire citizenship then this could actually help the crisis with illegal immigrants. With a citizenship this would allow people to take advantage of things like free education, and finding work, and taking part in the economy rather than just overpopulating the country.

      August 1, 2012 at 2:38 am |
  29. Liz Carter in Georgia

    PROUDtobeAmerican_and_Red; I know the RED MAN held slaves too, but I also know how you came about them. We were bartered to you for trade; land, horses, oxen, woolens, etc. It wasn't based on the idea of supremacy or malice and we know that. Thank you for caring about AMERICA and it's people. That's why our ancestry includes much of the Native American bloodlines. I have a life! I'm proud to be an American, have a full right to be here; to have every opportunity as anyone else. Work still needed for some!

    May 19, 2011 at 1:45 am |
    • Jay in NC

      Liz, how exactly do you trade and barter another human with out it being based on the idea of supremacy or malice?

      May 19, 2011 at 6:17 am |
  30. Liz Carter in Georgia

    PROUDtobeAmerican_and_Red; I am an AMERICAN, who's decendant of AFRICA, but pretty well mixed with native AMERICAN and European American, so you really have no right to accuse me of flat out hating the whiteman; I may hate what he stood for and still stands for today in many venues and on many issues! I may hate his continous denial that there is no more racism in this country, with the expectation that we are to just sit back and say, 'Oh, I'm sorry, I must be mistaken'! 'Please accept my apology.' NEVER!

    May 19, 2011 at 2:02 am |
    • Jay in NC

      Liz, you are always saying that the white man is at fault. Now you say that you are part white. Does that mean that you are part responsible for the enslaving of blacks 150 years ago? Also is not Japs a derogatory name?

      May 19, 2011 at 7:36 am |
  31. Liz Carter in Georgia

    @PROUDtobeAmerica_and_RED; I do wonder if you knew that blackmen have fought in every war this nation has ever participated in inside and out. You say whitemen fought the Germans and the Japs so I can whine about how bad we were treated?!? I'd just like to let you know my grandmother had 3 sons in WW2 at the same time, Ok? One uncle in France fighting the Germans, and my Father and another uncle in the Pacific fighting the Japs, so don't get it twisted, as you try to show all of your allegiance to the Man!

    May 19, 2011 at 2:20 am |
    • Hotel

      I believe that there sholud be some policies towards immigration today. Many people come to this country for better opportunities and lifestyles. However, I feel that immigration is not as important as it was back when people had to go through Ellis Island and take health exams before they entered the country. Numerous people come here illegally and people aren't checked thoroughly. If they found the slightest indication of a sickness, they were sent back to their home country. They might carry diseases that put our people in this country at stake. As far as mexican immigration is concerned, many that are here legally do go out to look for labor jobs that American citizens don't want to do. They do contribute to society in that aspect. As long as the people who do immigrate to this country contribute to helping America grow and prosper, then there sholud be no reason to deny these people the right to enter our country, as long as our own citizens have job positions first. America is there to help others find a better lifestyle and a better future when it's own citizens are struggling to find their own future bright. In my opinion and not to sound bias, we sholud be helped before immigrants.

      August 1, 2012 at 10:42 pm |
  32. Liz Carter in Georgia

    Jay, talk about expanding! The poster to whom I was talking used that same term! I only used that one back to him/her in my response. If it's derogatory, who made it derogatory? Yes, apart from my African Heritage, I'm decendant of at least those 2 races of people. I'm not alone; many black people are! Is it our fault? No! No one can help where or from whom they decended nor what transpired by their ancestoral family, resulting in them being here! No! I'm not at fault for slavery! I'm just one result of it!

    May 19, 2011 at 11:50 am |
  33. Liz Carter in Georgia

    Jay, the question you asked me this morning at 6:17 am ET, maybe you can come up with more theory, because I don't know of any; especially back in that time. I'm not ashamed to say 'I don't know'. @PROUDtobeAmerican_and_RED; I know many whites have had change of hearts and have rectified their responses to others. Some never had racists hearts or mindsets in the first place. They were just God-Fearing, humanitarian 'brother's keepers', many times silently. I thank you all! We couldn't have made it this far.

    May 19, 2011 at 12:35 pm |
    • Tony

      I think that the government needs to crack down on ilelgal immigration. I think it’s unfair that these people are in this country taking US citizens’ jobs and such. I understand that they want the same thing US citizens do – means to support themselves and their family. They have a right to want those things – we all do. But they aren’t US citizens, and they’re taking jobs that could go to citizens of this country. It can be argued that these are menial tasks that Americans wouldn’t stoop down to take, but one would be surprised how many Americans take those jobs because they need the money. Job displacement by ilelgal immigrants is very real. You could think back to the time when immigrants took jobs from Americans during the Industrial Revolution. Many workers wanted higher wages and shorter hours, which they deserved, but never got because employers never needed to negotiate with them – they had immigrants to work for them. It’s not just job displacement, but also medical care that ilelgal immigrants take from citizens. The US doesn’t turn away people with medical emergencies despite their citizenship, and so immigrants, mostly Mexican immigrants, cross the border to receive free healthcare, when documented paying residents have to wait in line. I think that if people wanted to come to the US so badly, they should at least become citizens and wear the title “American” proudly. More and more people are coming in to the US ilelgally every day from other places, and it’s not only unfair, but against the law.

      July 31, 2012 at 6:35 am |
    • Mairyn

      I do believe that imnairgmts still have the same reasons for coming to the U.S. today as they have in the past. They want a better life for their familes and themselves and they know they have more opportunites in America. I do think that the policies for immigration should still stand because we need to protect and take care of our own people as well. Many imnairgmts come to our country and they take up a lot of jobs that Americans need too. It is a struggle to live in the world we live in and it is good to help others but we need to help our own countryand prevent a ny kind of collapse. Another issue that concerns me is the fact that we dont know for sure if these imnairgmts are carrying over diseases from their own countries or other countries they have been to. That is an important issue that should always be taken into consideration because we do not want any of our people getting sick or catching anything that may be deadly. We want our country to be safe and for everyone to be healthy and happy.

      August 2, 2012 at 1:31 am |
  34. Liz Carter in Georgia

    PROUDtobeAmerican_and_RED; I can appreciate your notation that whites have done more to correct their ways than any other race; but how do you know that? And could that mean it's because they had more correcting to do? True, they fought their own brothers for 'liberty' to prevail which is good, especially since we claimed to be 'one nation under GOD, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all'. Did you know that many blackmen (slaves) lost their lives for their own freedoms in that same war? SEE 'GLORY'!

    May 19, 2011 at 1:01 pm |
  35. Liz Carter in Georgia

    PROUDtobeAmerican_and_RED; I'm sorry you've come to an opinion that I hate 'the whiteman' as I believe some of your conclusion may come from the accusation railed against me by another poster; but it's not true. Those ways that you said he's corrected more than any other race are what I hate! Yes! Some of them have been adjusted; laws on the books, but many of those ways are still with us; just invisible to common eye, hidden, masked, subtle in word, thought and deed. Some mindsets aren't changed by laws.

    May 19, 2011 at 1:38 pm |
  36. Liz Carter in Georgia

    About 'illegal' immigrants, why is it so hard for them to get naturalization and start participating in American society; legally benefitting from American social programs? I know decent hardworking taxpaying immigrants, who've been here for years trying to gain citizenship? Paying money, on time, to I & N, trying to get their legal papers. What's the problem? They aren't all criminals; furthermore, wasn't that the exact type of folk sent here from EUROPE by the QUEEN? Columbus brought criminals here!

    May 19, 2011 at 8:58 pm |
  37. Uziiel

    I believe iagnmrmits today are coming mostly for similar reasons as iagnmrmits have come for in the past: economic (that is not to say that many iagnmrmits do not come for political and religious freedoms as well, I am just focusing on Mexican immigration.). They see America as diversely acceptable and as a huge opportunity for them to better their lives. A lot of Mexican iagnmrmits come as birds of paradise , as they migrate back and forth between Mexico and here. Yet, there are also a lot of Mexican iagnmrmits that come with their entire family ( sometimes living by necessity in homes that are impoverished and can be considered as modern day tenements, as families all live together under one roof). While this is all true, their reasons for coming are completely legitimized, the way they go about doing it is not always so. I do believe we must have strong immigration laws, not that disable those with honest intentions but to disable those who try to come into the country illegally. It is those iagnmrmits who are living off the government and taking jobs that other citizens could use, further keeping our economy and society down. If they want to come in and because citizens and pay taxes like the rest of us, then sure, they should be allowed but until then something serious needs to be done and stronger immigration laws might just be the answer.

    August 1, 2012 at 5:13 am |
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