The White House didn’t quite get the reaction it was hoping for at the season-finale NASCAR event Sunday that featured a special appearance by first lady Michelle Obama and Jill Biden.
Obama and Biden were honorary grand marshals at the event in an effort to highlight their Joining Forces campaign – a cause that spotlights veteran issues and seeks to provide assistance to service members and their families.
But while the effort has drawn bipartisan support and praise, Obama and Biden were greeted by loud boos from several in the massive crowd when they were introduced on stage to officially begin the race. Obama and Biden did not appear to react to the boos and they were soon drowned out by loud jets flying over head.
Kristina Schake, the first lady’s communication’s director, did not respond directly to the booing crowd members but said, “Mrs. Obama and Dr. Biden were proud to stand with a true American hero and join NASCAR to honor all the men and woman who serve our country and the families who support them.”
Meanwhile, the two reportedly received a standing ovation at a private reception before the race with NASCAR drivers.
Less-than polite fans are hardly out of the ordinary when politicians appear at a sporting event. President Obama was greeted with a mixture of boos and cheers himself when he threw out the first pitch at a Washington Nationals game last year. The same goes for Sarah Palin, who received an unenthusiastic reception while dropping first puck at Philadelphia Flyers-New York Rangers hockey game in 2008.
A black woman at a NASCAR event? Am I surprised? Not in the least.
Are you kidding me? Really, are you kidding? What a hillbilly racist comment that is. I suppose you think only whites can like racing.
Jill-IN...it's called sarcasm
The main sport for the liberals, is to accuse everyone who disagrees with them of racism.
There is a part of that crowd that mirrors the old south. Ever wonder why there aren't more minorities at these events?
Howard: Not everyone..... just the blatant racists
That was not the point, i have gone to races and been stared at and not in a friendly inviting way. I felt that I had entered a club where I was not welcome. That is real.
But is Jill wrong?
Really Jill, are YOU kidding? I suppose YOU think calling someone a “hillbilly” isn’t racism?
And just what was it about Excuse me?’s remarks did you find offensive? What he or she said was that he or she was not surprised to see a black woman at a NASCAR event.
Looks pretty innocuous to me. Stop reading between the lines Jill and just read the lines. Sometime a cigar is just a cigar.
No Jill-IN, only Hillbillies can enjoy NASCAR whether they are black or white. But the white one's certainly dislike black people. Welcome to the South!! I use the Confederate flag to clean my bathroom, its perfect for it.
@ Arkius "A black woman at a NASCAR event? Am I surprised? Not in the least." Actually what he or she is saying, based on the context as it relates to this article is he or she was not surprised that a Black woman was booed at a NASCAR event. There wasn't much wrong with the statement. There was plenty wrong with the people that did it because she was Black, though not everyone booed based on Race. Some booed out of stupidity and ignorance!
alrtr6, you suffer from the same liberal/socialist political mental disorder as Jill, you’re reading between the lines and imagining something that isn’t there. Simply put, Excuse me? would not at all be surprised to see a black woman at a NASCAR event. This tells me that to him or her, seeing a black woman at a NASCAR event is rather mundane. Just what is it about this that is troubling you? Black women go to NASCAR events, get over yourself.
You wrote: “Actually what he or she is saying, based on the context as it relates to this article is he or she was not surprised that a Black woman was booed at a NASCAR event.”
No, sorry, no, not even close. You’re reading into this your own prejudices, and it doesn’t make very much sense to any human being with a normal mind. In fact, it’s one of the dumbest claims amongst all the arguments made for this article.
In essence what you’re saying is: Every time the crowd at a NASCAR event sees a black woman, they boo her, like Donald Sutherland pointing to a non-alien in The Body Snatchers. Dude or dudette, I want to smoke the sh!t you’re smoking, because you seem to be experiencing something “otherworldly”. When you consider that NASCAR racing fans are mostly males….the black men in the crowd seeing their women booed, would go absolutely ballistic, and the mother of all riots would ensue. Since this has not happened, then I think it is safe to say that your argument has no truth value.
You also wrote: “There was plenty wrong with the people that did it because she was Black, though not everyone booed based on Race. Some booed out of stupidity and ignorance!”
Are you a seer? Do you have a crystal phallus? No? Then how can you say any of these things with any certainty? The fact of the matter is you can’t. You don’t know why those women were booed. Russian President Medvedev was booed a few days ago at some local event. It was attributed to the people’s dissatisfaction with his policymaking. Maybe the folks at the NASCAR event were just doing the same thing; voicing their discontent with the President and Vice president, vis-à-vis their wives. But, we’ll never know for sure; we can only guess. Therefore, our arguments should be constructed as propositions, not facts. Now, if we all can do that we won’t look stupid, like you.
The irony is that the soldier standing next to the first lady, took two bullets in the war so those people could enjoy the race while getting drunk. They should at least respect that.
I know, that Matthews from MSDNC talking bad about BO and Michelle – what a racist he is...
JS, you're so right. I saw Matthews at CBGB's a few years ago, and his behavior was appalling. BTW, I didn't know Michelle had BO; you'd think with all her money she could afford to shower more often.
Is Mrs. Biden a black person? Could it be that the country is simply fed up with this administration?
@ John The problem is that far too many Americans can only see 2 feet in front of them! Why are people fed up with this administration? The last administration got us into this muddled mess! It took nearly 8 years for us to start to see the effects of what that administration did! Why the hell would anyone think after such a disasterous blow to the economy, that anyone could make any sort of relevant change in 3 years! BIG PICTURE.COM!
Yeah.... They are rednecks!!
The NASCAR fans represent the hard working, patriotic Americans who built this great country. Since NASCAR has millions of fans, the obama's are trying to associate themselves, for an implied endorsement, in hopes of more votes, in an effort to get this horrible President reelected. Giving the appearance of supporting our troops is another deception they are trying to exploit. I'm glad they were not able to fool the NASCAR crowd, like they have fooled the brain dead liberals. Obama is a con ... the mainstream media are his shills ... and, the American people are his marks !!!
There's no excuse for that kind of rudeness. What a bunch of redneck low-life asswipe racist pigs.
I am so tired of this "hardworking American" crap. All Americans are hard working and the Nascar crowd didn't have any more to do with building this country than the immigrants and African Americans who where enslaved in order to "build this country" This reaction was rude, unpatriotic and heaven forbid the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE FIRST LADY should try to reach out to all walks of life. We know a T/Republican president would have no interest in talking to anybody other than the Nascar and evangelicals. The Right wing hate and disrespect for everyone is shameful, and terribly detrimental to American society.
just who are you to say who a NASCAR fan is? I'm a NASCAR fan and find your ideas and outlook repulsive. Gee, I wonder if the "Patriots" who were booing had been drinking any "moonshine".....yah think?
Hey Howard..........you're supposed to keep the garage door open when you have your car running. Now, relax and get some fresh air.
"NASCAR fans represent the hard working, patriotic Americans who built this great country." NASCAR sprang from booze-running bootleggers, if you think they built this country, guess that explains why you are a NASCAR fan.
If only I were poor and retarded enough to enjoy NASCAR...I'mma gonna drive really fast....than I'mma gonna turn left. OHHH YEAH!
Man, I couldn't even get through a single sentence in that reply without laughing...
You mean the the southern, blue collar folks that move out of the neighborhood when minorities move in correct?
The NASCAR fans are mostly working and middle class people making less than $100,000. I guess they support cutting taxes for millionaires. I guess they support cheap labor. If anything, these people should be Democrats. It's the Dems who want to help the avereage Patriotic American. Dems do not like the wealthy who make their money off of foreign cheap labor. The NASCAR people must be stupid if they prefer the Donald Trumps fo the world over the Bidens. I guess they are, like some other Americans, under the illusion that millionaires create jobs here in tne US. They don't. The Republicans have sold this bill of goods to these people and they bought it. And by the way, when Bush and company showed up at events with liberals in the audience they were respected. Liberals have manners.
and you are a close minded bigot.
And by the way, when Bush and company showed up at events with liberals in the audience they were respected. Liberals have manners
Nowhere close to the truth. Bush was booed at the 2005 State of the Union address, was booed in 2009 when Obama took office! Just Google and/or Bing it!
Too bad they are NOT hard THINKING!!!!!
You sir are in desperate need of a glimpse into the real world...get out of your bubble! People like you are part of the problem, not the solution.
I hate to tell you this but we are all working class people, I wouldn't boo the bush ladies if they showed up at an event i was at, its called class and it looks like a lot of people at that NASCAR event don't have any
No NASCAR fans represent the bottom of the American people in education, common sense, tolerance, and most definitely class – or the lack there of....... NASCAR racing is for brainless fools like yourself. I really wish we had let the south become their own country instead of carrying them (the majority of southern states have to relay on the "hard-working" Americnas from other states taxes – ignorant, welfare, caste society all their own.
@ Jack – I'm a democrat that makes more tha $100,00 per year – but everyone does in California. The only people I know that are still on unemployment after 4 years are republicans.
Howard it wasn't the hardworking, patriotic, all-american fans who were booing. It was the lazy, confederate flag waving fans who were booing.
Right on, Lynda!
I can not believe sometimes the trash that comes out of some people "Michelle was trying to get votes" Michell Obama is no uninformed person she know Nascar for the most part is a racist event attended for the most part by ignorant racist folks she was the for military families a cause shes worked long and hard for not for any votes because that not going to happen I truely appauld Michelle Obama she knew waht she was walking into and had the class(unlike the attendees) to rise above the way she was greeted and show class and dignity thats the difference in education and low informed folks that live there lives fighting and voting against there interest for racial spite
@ Howard They are NASCAR fans acting like uneducated hillbilly trash when they boo at people who are there showing support for our troops.
So they work. So what! That has not made them patriotic....just dumb. I guarantee you the contributions to our great society by those who booed are not that great, and they pale in comparison to the contributions of President, Mrs. Obama; VicePresident Biden and Dr. Biden.
A great many people work in this country and most have the respect to behave in a dignified manner.
I guess mental midget that you are; you think booing is okay?
You are a seriously deranged idiot! "the appearance of supporting our troops?????" This president HAS supported our troops you freaking dimwit... That's how we got Osama Bin Laden and the many other Al Qaeda top brass... Because our President Barack Obama supported them in their goals and efforts to rid the World of that evil Man. My Brother is in the Military and HE is a firm believer in what Obama HAS done and IS doing to help get the troops back home and in facilitating their ability to do their jobs.
YOU are a damn DISGRACE to this country; you and all the other undereducated fools that refuse to see even ONE solitary piece of good in our President; of course, I am sure it's not because you are "racist" or anything and it has nothing to do with the fact that you probably think he's a Muslim, Kenyan Socialist, despite the fact that he's been a member of the SAME CHRISTIAN CHURCH for the last 20+ years and that TWO REPUBLICAN Governors of Hawaii have specifically stated that Obama WAS born in Hawaii and that you wouldn't know what a real Socialist was if you were sent back to remedial school to get the education that you so obviously missed out on the first time through school.
Your level of putrid hate and ignorance is astounding; do us all a favor and freaking read something and educate yourself about REALITY instead of sucking on Fox News and their lies and propaganda.
No, Nascar fans represent hill-billy rednecks that are too stupid to make their own decisions, but just know it's "not cool" to be a Democrat. So they boo them, even though they were there to honor the military. Idiots.
Howard, be honest, how many teeth do you have?
You have an axe to grind, don’t you? Apparently, you’re also having a hard time understanding the written word.
Howard wrote: “The NASCAR fans represent the hard working, patriotic Americans who built this great country.”
Let me spell this out for you. NASCAR fans are representative of ALL Americans, who are patriotic and hard working and who participated in building America. Get the picture? Howard’s claim didn’t discriminate between freemen and slaves, so I don’t understand why you felt it was necessary to make that distinction. Unless of course you have some personal prejudice you need to get off your chest.
You wrote: “This reaction was rude, unpatriotic and heaven forbid the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE FIRST LADY should try to reach out to all walks of life.”
Lynda, perhaps you haven’t been in America long, but it is customary for Americans to voice their opinions, political and otherwise, in a variety of ways. It is what our founding fathers envisioned when they drafted the constitution. The right of every American to FREEDOM OF SPEECH to criticize their national leaders (or their wives). To assemble, in order to criticize their national leaders (or their wives). It is not rude or unpatriotic, it is the American way. Our grandfathers, fathers, uncles and brothers fought and died to preserve that freedom; some of us don’t take it lightly.
You also wrote: “We know a T/Republican president would have no interest in talking to anybody other than the Nascar and evangelicals. The Right wing hate and disrespect for everyone is shameful, and terribly detrimental to American society.”
Lynda, I know what a Republican is, but what the hell is a “T/Republican”? And why would they limit themselves to talking to such a small constituency? Wouldn’t that make it difficult to get elected? You’re not making much sense Lynda. Furthermore, do you really believe that the Left wing is completely bereft of hate groups? Lynda, what color is the sun in your world?
Lynda here’s a suggestion: Don’t believe anything you read, and only half of what you see. In other words, don’t let your heart rule your mind.
You’re so full of………hate.
Howard, go back to school and get an education. You sound like the child who got left behind...........
Dave, take your head out of your ass. You sound like a child who's been breathing sh!t fumes for too long.
@80shillings....Thanks I needed that!
Howard, I support the fans' right to respond with a hoorahhhhh or a boohhhhhh. We're Americans . . .we have that right. And since someone introduced race, it's relevant that I identify myself as an African American female with a graduate degree and I Love NASCAR!!! I'm not a "Liberal" and I am not a "Conservative". I vote for the best candidate periord. FYI... The majority of yesterday's Nascar crowd was not African American; so while your "the hard working, patriotic Americans who built . . ." sounds good, it is not supported by history. You should refresh your American History because our beloved America was built on the hard working FREE LABOR of African Slaves. The majority of yesterday's NASCAR crowd was not African American; One of my much loved ancestors is an Irishman who came over in the late 1700's and bought my much loved African ancestors for Free Labor and Non-Consensual Sex. African Americans were not met at Ellis Island with a Welcoming Party. They had been here for hundreds of years builiding our country for free. For hundreds of years,our European ancestors left their native countries to pursue the American Dream. And that dream came with the priviledge of buying an African slave as soon as their feet hit the soil. There's nothing honorable or hardworking about my European ancestors apporach .......... That's fact not debateable no matter how bad it makes you and I feel about OUR ancestors. Now if you have a different account of our American history, please educate me. The NASCAR fans' response is about Freedom of Speech; not race, hillbilly, liberal, conservative, work ethic or patriotism..........
Brett, thank you for reading my post, and thank you for the paraphrase. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
http://www.hlglicensing.com/nascar.htm Here are some demographics. Yes, the statistics are that NASCAR fans are mostly white and mostly from the South, both groups that tend to vote Republican/Tea Party. These are also geographic areas that depend more on the government dole. It would be justice for those in the South and for those booing NASCAR fans if a Tea Party or Republican president came into office. It would be fair play if all those benefits, that the so-called socialist Democrats like Obama give to Southerners, were no longer available. http://griperblade.blogspot.com/2011/08/red-state-welfare-queens-revisited.html I can't wait to see the South suffer if the Koch brothers get their shill into the White House and there are no more handouts for Dixie.
1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.
2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!
5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.
No wonder the world laughs at Americans........from the south.
This is the family of the President and Vice President of the United States. Even if you hate their policies, you have to respect the office. Bottom line.
@Howard, I guess you're not familiar with history. This country was built on the back of those oppressed. Honestly, I've never been too proud of this country either. But having a first lady who is actually out "doing something" besides sitting in the white house pouring drinks is definately an improvement in my book. You would have though that after all these years, this racist attitude would have dissolved. But I guess that's what you can expect from inbreeding.
@Howard, Jay, right-wingers et. al. I love the attacks of terminology: redneck, hillbilly, etc. that try to flip the race card. The true patriots of this country are livid at the decline of our greatness due to greedy pocket-liners of today. You can't take it with you, but you can do away with the inheritance tax and leave it untaxed to your kids. The attacks on Obama's policies are force-fed to an already convinced choir. Please get a statistic that does not come from fox news(no capital on purpose). On Bush's travesty of a presidency, history will bear out the truth, it always does. We'll see who was the worst president in history as the truth continues to come out about Enron, Halliburton, etc.: the posse round-up is not finished.
Finally, the race behavior was atrocious! I was incenced when a ME reporter threw a shoe at our sitting president, no matter what I think of his politics. I am more outraged now because these are not the office-holders, I could understand that. It was blatant, outright disrespect and very telling. I will not attack the perpetrators, their ignorance speaks for itself. I vehemently agree with all posters that alluded to the fact that all less than million dollar earners should check their political alliances and see who is really fighting for them. Lastly, I would not have room on this page to list all of the failed, misrepresented, and agregious(sp?) acts committed by GWB in office@Jay.
It just shows how uneducated and low class the Nascar fans really are....
waa, waa waa- somebody call the Wambulance for Howard. All NASCAR fans DO NOT represent the hard working- w/e the flub u said ppl of america. Get off the nut sack.
Horrible president? I guess you would agree with the policies of the previous president. NASCAR fans respected GWB but they did not give these ladies the respect they deserved. These ladies are on a continued journey for the working class – not the rich.
Petena, you wrote: “Horrible president? I guess you would agree with the policies of the previous president.” Petena you’re clueless; thinking that Obama is a horrible president is not a necessary condition of agreeing with the policies of George W. Bush.
You also wrote: “NASCAR fans respected GWB but they did not give these ladies the respect they deserved.” You don’t know what in hell you’re talking about do you. How do you know all NASCAR fans respected George Bush? The fact is you don’t know with certainty, so making a blanket statement like that only serves to make you look foolish. I get the feeling that that’s something that happens often. And as far as how much respect those ladies deserved? That’s anybodies guess.
What is the standard respect level for the wives of the president and vice president? Is it written down somewhere? Is it taught in schools? I don’t think so. You know why? Because as Americans, we have a constitutionally protected right to boo the sh!t out of the wives of the president and vice president if we feel like it, and out of their husbands too, and out of anyone we please, for any bleepin’ reason. God bless America.
Petena, you also wrote: “These ladies are on a continued journey for the working class – not the rich.” Really? Are you 14 years old, or what? Those two women are not on a “continued journey” for that cause, or any other cause, guaranteed. You have not heard of them making any other appearances on behalf of the troops since this incident, have you? No. And you will not hear of them making any in the future either. They were not at the Homestead NASCAR race for the benefit of the troops, you naïve dolt. They are, however, making intermittent campaign appearances for the re-election of their husbands. Petena, grow up, and take your head out of your ass.
WOW, WHAT A MORON YOU ARE, THAT IS LIKE SAYING, HEY WHITE PEOPLE @ A BASKETBALL GAME OR A FOOTBALL GAME WHICH THERE ARE MORE BLACKS AND NON-WHITE PLAYERS THAT TAKE UP THE MAJORITY.
What the hell did they expect? NASCAR races is the pit for these racists vipers. I stand to that and you can call me anything you want. The truth is un the boo's
Yes they are racist booing Jill Biden like that....They hate white people.
Whoosh, what part of Eastern Europe are you from? You speak English like Bela Lugosi.
What for in hell they expect? NASCAR is for armpits of capitalist snakes. I am for you calling me anything you want. Never mind the sock in my pants, the truth is in my boots.
You are as racist as those toothless, redneck, inbred ignorant dipsticks who were booing.
Why are there still people in the USA that are suprised to see an African-Americans at a public event? Yes you may live in the south, but you are an American just like the rest of us. Get with the times, it is 2011 not 1950. This is the first time, that I am aware of, that there has been such disrepect towards our President and First Lady. Get off their backs and grow up!!
Hey wake up everyone here...Joe Biden was booed and heckled during the Army-Navy game early and often this past Saturday....can 69,000 people be silenced ...no....this crowd (and I was there) especially let Biden have it as he crossed the field at half time....this last election was hardly a mandate and obviously the crowd at the ARMY V. NAVY expressed their sentiment...kind of scary when you think about it....an entire crowd of pro miltary people booing the VP of the US....Obama I guess let Joe take one for the team! He knew better than to show for this game.
I know it comes with the territory, but that was just rude; especially given the cause they were there to promote and given that they were standing with children. Personally, I just think it is rude to behave that way. I was no fan of President Bush but there is no way in hell I would have booed him or his wife at any public event. There is a responsibility with freedom of speech. Try showing some class people. Obviously, the First Lady and Dr. Biden have more class than some in the audience.
Exactly my words!
NASCAR fans at their finest. Basically a crowd of "Joe Wilson"s. They managed to "Boo" our first lady and our attempts to help veterans in one act. Very classy, folks.
I completely agree, Dan! Totally disrespectful; they should be ashamed of themselves...
Surprised this crowd didn't do more than that! Booing – sounds pretty childish and immature to me no matter who it is.
Actually, we boo'ed a corrupt lady who was only pretending to help the veterans in an effort to get four more years of that 757 and the big white mansion. Remember this is the same lady who said she was never proud of her country (or the troops) until she was nearly in said house. Also, the same lady who tries to tell us how and what to eat and how to live. And the lady who has to take her own 757 on vacations four hours ahead of her husband when they're going to the same place, something no other first lady had ever done. Oh, and she's married to the man who made fun of Americans clinging to their Bibles and guns, and that public officials who attend NASCAR races are just doing it for stagecraft. Like Michelle was. So, is it REALLY that hard to see why anyone would boo this woman?
Why are you posting on CNN? It's so obvious you only listen to Fox. What a moron!!
@FLIndependent Sooo, you had nothing else to refute what I said, except to make a claim about what news source I listen to? Which isn't even true, I don't listen to Fox at all.
So, I ask you. Michelle Obama said in 2008 that she was proud of her country for the first time in her life. She wasn't proud when our troops liberated Kuwait. She wasn't proud when we fought for Bosnia or tried to help Somalia. She wasn't proud of our efforts in the second world war. Nor the first world war. She wasn't brought of our humanitarian responses for Indonesia. And she still isn't. And it's a year before the election, why wasn't she doing anything for this cause in 2009 or 2010? Why should we believe this is ANYTHING more then a ploy to get re-elected based on her own words? That has nothing to do with listening to a news source, that's listening to HER.
Nick, thank you for reading my post, and thank you for the paraphrase. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
Right on, Mr. Morris. The fools who disagree with you, are either corrupt liberals, who shudder at the thought of giving up their welfare checks, unemployment checks, and food stamps ... and will always defend their corrupt messiah, no matter what ... or, they are too stupid to see through the staged pro obama photo ops, P.R., liberal progaganda, and media bias.
sick...if SORRY BUSH was there would they be booing?
Wow I feel really sorry for you. Try reading something. A book. Not the ticker at the bottom of the screen on Fox News. I usually don't comment but I had to respond since yours was especially disgusting and ignorant
MsSmart, perhaps you should try reading something like a daily newspaper, or MSNBC, or CNN, or watching your local evening news program, and then you might learn something useful. And the reason why you don’t comment more often is clear to anyone who has read your post; you don’t have anything informed or intelligent to bring to the table.
Did you know that while she worked for The University of Chicago Medical Center, Michelle Obama created a patient-dumping scheme? Do you know what that means? It means that Michelle Obama steered poor black and white people away from U O C M C, and to far away, smaller urban hospitals. This means that U O C M C got to keep the wealthier patients with the high-end insurance, and the smaller urban hospitals got the poorer patients on Medicare and Medicaid. President Ronald Reagan made this practice illegal in the 1980’s, but that didn’t matter to Michelle Obama, because she doesn’t give a damn about poor people or veterans, black, white, brown or yellow.
Now, which do you find more disgusting and ignorant; Nick Morris’ comments or Michelle Obama’s behavior?
How is it ignorant? I can find you the exact audio of Michelle Obama saying that, cite the page where Obama mocks public figures attending NASCAR events in his book (I read quite a few-and don't watch Fox News), and find the audio of Obama making fun of middle America. Sounds like you're ignorant by not paying attention to how the current first family behaves...
There were loud cheers to the retired Sergeant sniper when he was introduced.
What would you expect from tea baggers, NASCAR fans: low class, no less.
Yes, there are African American women at NASCAR events. But, Michelle and Biden's wife represent their husbands and that was the cause of both getting boos.
The women were there to promote better care for our veterans and their families. The only conclusion is that NASCAR fans hate the troops.
Which is why the soldier with them got a standing ovation, along with the flyover.
NASCAR sucks A** !!
I guess this story confirms the stereotype about NASCAR fans.
Nice goin' you "pro-American" NASCAR fans...booing efforts to support our military vets while also disrespecting the First Lady of OUR country. Stay classy!
Maybe the people who booed just don't like Mrs. Biden and Mrs. Obama. It could be as simple as that. No racism, no drunkenness, no cultural retardation, no disrespect for the troops. Just something simple and basic as a dislike for two women by a few hundred people out of a crowd of thousands. Let's not get carried away.
You should spend a little more time learning English, before you correct someone else.
apparently your medication hasn’t kicked in yet. Nowhere in my post do I attempt to “correct” anything Steph wrote. Her grammar and spelling seem to be just fine.
My three line post proposes a simple concept. It is a pity that your simple mind was unable to pick up on it. Go back and r e r e a d i t s l o o o w l y.
I was responding to your comment about another person sounding like Bela Lugosi. This is a multi-cultural society, it is ill mannered, and in poor taste to correct another person's English.
FYI-I do not take meds.
And for starters, maybe you should get your facts straight by checking what the first lady actually said. When quoting someone do it accurately, include all words, and think of what was said in context with the rest of what was said. Don't just blow words out your butt making them up.
"People in this country are ready for change and hungry for a different kind of politics and...for the first time in my adult life I am proud of my country, because it feels like hope is finally making a comeback."-Michelle Obama
Let me get this straight, you’re responding to a comment on another thread on this thread, and you claim you don’t take meds? Ah……..oooooookaaaaayyyy. If you say so.
Jeanie, you have that typical liberal, school marm attitude, i.e., you tell everyone how to think, how to talk and how to behave, and you haven’t got a clue about how people interact. Do you have any friends who don’t talk about you behind your back for acting like a total jerk? And as far as Bela is concerned….Jeanie, this is a multi-humor society, and it is in poor taste to not recognize sarcasm when you see it, or understand how it works. Get a life.
Jeanie, maybe you should learn how to read a quote. Let’s start with quotation marks. I put Bryan’s statement in quotes, not Mrs. Obama’s statement. Therefore, if any words are missing from what Mrs. Obama said that day, then Bryan omitted them, not me. That’s grammar 101, but it seems to have slipped by you while you were whining away like a sixth grader with a load in her pants.
What ever words were omitted from Bryans quote are irrelevant to my argument; her feelings remain clear, and that is: for most of her adult life she was not proud of her country and for that fact alone, she should be ashamed of herself.
".for the first time in my adult life I am proud of my country,"
I don't think the context helps lessen the hoarseness of this quote.
BTW, when does hope make a comeback? 2012.
Dan from Tx, that had nothing to do with veterans, but everything to do with votes, apparently now the need the votes from those who cling to their guns and religion ( as they decribed the nascar crowd) and the veterans, for the last 3 years they could have cared less.
That is no excuse and you know it. There's no justification for what happened there, absolutely none...
Yes Maam!! You are so right!
I totally agree. Do you think either of these ladies would have been at this event had Obama had double digit leads in the polls over any of the potential Republican candidates? Doubtful.
They're trying to draw themselves as being pro NASCAR when I'm sure neither has ever watched an event.
And to say this is about the troops? BS
If they want to do something positive for the troops then why a NASCAR event?
Maybe because a lot of the military watches NASCAR? Sure but these two ladies surely don't.
Them being there is in poor taste and stinks of desperation.
It is like seeing Sarah Palin at a Rhode's scholar luncheon. Laughable.
Why would anyone try to win over the NASCAR crowd for politcal support? I'd be surprised of half of them knew how to read, much less how to cast a vote.
No matter what the reason for the two ladies were at the event for. And, yes I fully believe there is always a political motive for any politician or politician's spouse's appearance. However, the boos are an indictment of boorish and rude fans. Whether you agree or disagree with this administration it is not too much to ask for some semblance of class. Even from the most right leaning NASCAR fans. Man up southern gentlemen.
Yeah, I guess maybe they should just hang around their own kinds, ya know. Kinda like you.
What's laughable, is that the NASCAR crowds are the very ones that should be supporting what Pesident Obama is trying to accomplish. More jobs, affordable healthcare. Most of them except the owners and the drivers are too darn poor to be rebublicans! Silly, ignorant people!
@Chris...my father was a southern gentleman...these racist fools however are not gentlemen, not patriotic, and most are nothing more than beer guzzling bullies.
I'd say at least half the comments here decrying the booing also include some element of stereotyping of the typical NASCAR fan as a "beer guzzling," "overweight," "stupid," "redneck."
Yet, they're the racists.
But, I suppose given that they don't seem to see the "fairness" in taking Donald Trump's money at the point of a government gun and giving it to them, they may actually be quite dumb.
Oh yeah Lizzie...like when a politician looks at you dead in the eye and tells you that he is looking out for your best interests...I bet you believe that too?
OF COURSE it is for votes...that is what politicians do and that is what campaigning is. Stop acting like its the first time its happened.
The difference here is that the booed the First Lady of the United States and the VP's wife...oh yeah...and veterans and a great cause.
Are you saying that the 1st lady does not care about veterans?
Great time to decide to take a stand on the sincerity of a politician. Pathetic.
I'll say it. The First Lady doesn't care about veterans.
If she did, she would have been proud of all the things they did for their country, and it wouldn't have taken Barack Obama winning the Democratic nomination to make her proud of her country for the first time.
So you want to overlook the fact that in March of 2010 President Obama gave the largest portion of his Nobel Peace Prize money to Fisher House for wounded veterans. He divided the $1.4 million prize money he received among 10 charities, the largest grant of $250,000 went to Fisher House.
Obama Donates Nobel Prize to 10 Charities http://www.cbsnews.com Political Hotsheet March 11, 2010.
Knowing that makes me think you are a bunch of wasted wind.
But it had everything to do with being disrespectful. I don't care what you think of their politics, to boo a First Lady is downright rude. Shame on you for justifying a bunch of ignorant louts.
First off, Tony Stewart should be cheering the most since the Obama Administration used better judgement than GOP leadership and saved the big 3. Not sure if a Subaru, Kia, or Nissan would have produced the same results. Now cling to that.
You are aware that Toyota races in NASCAR, aren't you??
Are you also aware that Chrysler has largely pulled its factory support because of the recession?
NASCAR has been fortunate that Ford and GM have remained in racing, but both have severely curtailed their support for race teams since 2008.
Lizzie43, You better double check the facts. For the last 3 years they have been meeting with veterans– my uncle is one of them and my next door neighbor (wife of vet) got a personal rsponse to a an email in 2010. Yes, it was a real response from Mrs Obama. They may be helping their husbands but they really are meeting with and listening to military families. In fact, Mrs Biden and Mrs Obama have supported veterans since before their husbands were elected. Don't believe me? Google it.
Don't get me wrong, I do not support all the policies of the Obama admistsration but those women are helping our military families. As a NASCAR fan, I was ashamed by the boos and do not think the loud/rude people represent most NASCAR fans.
I took your Google challenge, and interestingly, on her bio on the White House website, there is NO mention of her doing ANYTHING with military families until 2011, when "Mrs. Obama and Dr. Jill Biden together launched Joining Forces." 10 pages into Google search results, and nothing on Michelle and military families that predates January 2009. So, that exactly was she doing prior to Barack's rise?
On her wikipedia entry, there is NO mention of any work with the military at all until after Obama was elected president.
So, I'm happy that's joined the cause, but, whereas the Biden's actually have a serving son, and some skin in the game, I'd posit that the driving force in this initiative is Jill Biden, and not Michelle Obama, who is along for the political ride.
Read my post above.
Don't you think when President Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize he didn't ask for Mrs. Obama's input about where it should be donated? His donation to Fisher House predates your date since he won Nobel Prize in October 2009.
Also, I see you are still saying President Obama passed the stimulus bill that was passed and signed by George W. Bush in October 2008.HR-5140 Economic Stimulus Act of 2008. Trying to rewrite history to suit what you want it to be.... not truthfully what it is.
@Jay....might I say you didn't google hard enough.
Honey, you said the Michelle was supporting the military prior to Barack being president. That would be January 2009. Last I checked, his Novel prize was in 2010. Her work with Jill Biden started in 2011.
I'd like you to find ONE SINGLE REFERENCE where Michelle Obama was doing anything with the troops prior to 1/20/2009.
As for the Stimulus, I am referring to Obama's $800B stimulus package of 2009, not previous Bush failures.
I'll let the other posters here draw conclusions on who's short on facts.
Did you stop to think of how many veterans were a benefit of her aid when she worked for the Mayor of Chicago? I would suggest reading her biography at the First Ladies Library -www.firstladies.org/biographies.
From reading her biography I would say not only a lot of veterans but a lot of people were helped by her work.
Assistant Commissioner of Planning and Development in the office of the Mayor.
Executive Director of community affairs at the University of Chicago Hospital.
Executive Vice President for community and external affairs.
One thing is for sure she has spent her life better the lives of others.
Jay what other than whine have you done?
I don't have to brag about my accomplishments.
"Did you stop to think of how many veterans were a benefit of her aid when she worked for the Mayor of Chicago?"
That's pretty weak, relying on some ancillary impact to justify your arguably incorrect statement that she has always been interested in helping veterans. I appreciate her service for them today, I do. I happen to think that this particular effort is probably more Jill Biden's than Michelle Obama's, but, her imprimatur on it is appreciated.
What I don't appreciate from the Obamanauts and sycophants is the diefication of Barack Obama and Michelle Obama as though they are really anything other than a political couple, from the mean streets of Chicago, no less.
Michelle Obama showed no special concern about veterans before Barack Obama was a senator (perhaps before he was president), and working for the mayor of Chicago doesn't cut it.
This is the sum total of that experience on the site YOU linked to:
"She took a position in this line of professional work as an assistant in the office of Chicago Mayor Richard Daley, where she was employed for a year before moving to another position within the city government. Drawing on her business experience from the law firm, she was charged with serving as a liaison between the city and fledgling businesses, seeking to help encourage Chicago economic development."
Maybe some vets owned businesses she helped, and maybe some were employed by them, but, there is no special focus on vets. To claim helping vets has been a focus of her work from anytime prior to 2009, well, it's either wishful thinking, or lying.
I'll let objective readers make their own judgement.
Let me add that while Michelle Obama was "helping others" as the Executive Director of community affairs at the University of Chicago Hospital, she was pulling down a healthy $300,000/year salary.
I don't begrudge the Obama's their place in the 1%, but, let's be serious, she wasn't hired at the U of Chicago Hospital for her altruism. But, she may have been worth her weight in gold there (as one U of C executive said) since she engineered a patient dumping scheme that may have been illegal, but that saved the hospital millions.
Anyway, keep your rose colored glasses on.
JAY, I need to know more about Mrs. Obama and the illegal patient dumping scheme at U of C Hospital. I mean, I really need to know more about this.
Thank you in advance.
Here's a good jumping off point on Michelle Obama's time at U of C hospital, how she engaged David Axelrod (he seems to be the brains behind the Obama machine), and the dumping scheme, which was marginally legal, but infinitely immoral.
Link would help, http://michellemalkin.com/2009/06/19/the-obamacare-horror-story-you-won%E2%80%99t-hear/
Jay, thanks a million. Btw, it's Ark, not Arky.
@Jay and Arky
Accord to Fact Check...Michelle Obama's salary at the University of Chicago Hospital was $103,633; not the inflated $300,000 you picked up from some goon-ball right-wing viral email Try: www factcheck.org/Michelle Obamas salary
So, for starters it looks like Jay is again trying to rewrite history.... wouldn't know the truth if it bit him.
I think many sources has laid to rest your inaccurate quote about Michelle Obama not being proud of her country...with the correct and full quote.
I will put out this quote: "And in my own life, in my own small way,I've tried to give back to this country which has given me so much. That's why I left I left a job at law firm for a career in public service, working to empower young people to volunteer in their communities. Because I believe each of us-no matter what our age or background or walk of life-each of us has something to contribute to the life of this nation."- Michelle Obama
University Hospitals treat veterans, as a matter of fact a lot of them.
My father was a veteran when he was terminally ill he was treated at a University hospital.
My husband is a veteran when he was diagnosed with MS he was at a University hospital
My brothers-in-law and some sisters-in-laws are veterans and they have been treated at University hospitals.
Some of my neices and nephews are veterans, and some have been treated at University hospitals.
I have two sons who are veterans. The world is made up of a lot of veterans of all ages....who use hospitals and univesities.
Such as Ohio State University Hospital and the Cleveland Clinic which is part of a university.
So very likely, when Michelle Obama was Executive Director of the University of Chicago Medical Service Center she dealt often with, and helped veterans. As she would have in her job with students at the University. Her term of employment with the University; started in 1996 and lasted 11 years, in various positions.
I figured you'd go there with your argument, and I looked over the factcheck site before I posted.
Turns out you may not have read what factcheck wrote:
"She received a sizable pay raise that year . She went from earning $121,910 in 2004 as an executive director at the hospital to making $316,962 in 2005 as a vice president, according to tax returns filed by the Obamas for those years."
In the same FACTCHECK article:
""As she reduced her hours, beginning early in 2007, her salary decreased proportionately," Easton told us in an e-mail. "She switched to half time shortly before her husband formally announced his campaign, then to 20% later that year and to 0% in 2008."
In fact, Mrs. Obama’s income in 2006, a year after her promotion, had decreased to $273,618. And for 2007 (the year she actually started working part-time), her income was $103,633, according to the couple’s tax return for that year. She took an "unpaid leave of absence to work on her husband’s presidential campaign" in 2008, but still received $62,709 from the hospital. However, Easton noted that her final reported salary "consists of accumulated but unused vacation time plus the final payout from a supplemental executive retirement plan."
"Easton said the nearly $317,000 figure is "misleading" anyway because it includes more than just her salary. He said the figure "also includes a performance bonus, a one-time signing bonus (she had other, competing offers at the time), and a one-time mandatory payout from a terminated retirement plan." This is reflected in the fact that her 2006 earnings were less than in 2005."
I will quibble with Mr Easton, as I get a performance bonus, too, and I consider it part of my salary as does the IRS. So, Michelle got a promotion in 2005, made over $300k in 2005 (in straight salary plus bonus), then cut her hours back in 2006-2007, still taking home over $200k as a part timer in 2006, and over $100k in 2007, while getting over $60k in 2008 (while not working at all).
Nothing illegal, or immoral about her pay, but for you to quote an article that supposedly proves I'm wrong when it's written RIGHT THERE that I am right, even from your own source...well, I don't know if you're just trying to ignore the facts or what, but, jeez, get with the program honey.
Let me add to this that your attempts to tangentially attach some love of veterans to Michelle's time at U of C is laughable. She has shown no special effort to help vets until after her husband became president, and you have not met the original challenge, which was to prove that she had been involved in any special cause in support of veterans before January 2009. The U of C job doesn't cut it. Hey, I work for a big corporation and I am sure we have vets as customers, that doesn't mean I'm doing anything special to help them in that position.
I have said that I applaud her efforts today along with Jill Biden's. They are appreciated by me (BTW, Jean, I am a veteran), and I would not have booed her, but would have politely applauded.
Still, I fully understand the animosity of those opposed to her husband (and her) agenda, and he comments about when she was first proud of this country are not easily brushed aside or forgotten, and they shouldn't be.
Jean, once again you are either being hypocritical or you’re completely clueless. Jay’s description of Mrs. Obama’s salary was accurate, your reply, however, was not. Did you purposely omit the complete Fact check article? Here it is in its entirety:
The anonymous author of this chain e-mail expands upon an opinion piece from the conservative National Review and gets the facts wrong in the process.
On Jan. 9, 2009, the University of Chicago Medical Center officially announced that Michelle Obama had resigned from her post as vice president for community and external affairs to join her husband, then-President-elect Barack Obama, in the White House as the new first lady of the United States.
Michelle Obama had been promoted in 2005 to vice president for community and external affairs after three years as the executive director for community affairs. It’s true, as the e-mail (and National Review column) says, that she received a sizable pay raise that year. She went from earning $121,910 in 2004 as an executive director at the hospital to making $316,962 in 2005 as a vice president, according to tax returns filed by the Obamas for those years. But the suggestion made by the email’s author – and not made by the National Review – that she was being paid more than $300,000 for a "20 hour a week job" is not true.
As anyone can plainly see….Mrs. Obama “went from earning $121,910 in 2004 as an executive director at the hospital to making $316,962 in 2005 as a vice president”. Jay was telling the truth. He was talking about her salary in general, i.e. $300,000 for full time work. The discrepancy was for her part time salary, which Jay never alluded to. Jean, there is no excuse for not including the whole article.
And please Jean, if you have any self respect, and would like to continue this discussion in a mature manner, I prefer to be called Ark or Arkius (it is my given name and not a user name), and not Arky.
Jay says she does not need to brag boy her accomplishments. She sounds like she has not accomplish anything other than make out with tea partiers who do nothing but blame others. Was Laura Bush booed at any event even when people did not agree on her husband's policies? I think not. How low class can Jay be to justify these actions?
Anna, is English your second language?
The First Lady and Mrs. Biden have worked relentlessly to help veterans and their families...where have you been? This is just pure hate and it's disgusting. Our President, no matter who it is and what party he (she) belongs to should be able to go anywhere in the Country they lead and be shown respect. I can't imagine what other countries think of us...it is just so shameful!
The pro-obama, liberal bloggers posting here, are outraged because michelle was treated like a cow ... instead of like a sacred cow.
No, it has nothing to do with pro-Obama, it is about demonstrating simple etiquette and general respect. The first ladies of our country (whether you like it or not right-winged, radical, irrrational Republican) were not in a political forum that warranted them being booed. They were at an event where they joined forces to try and do something good for veterans. I dont care what end of the political spectrum you are on, the action was just despicable and uncalled for.
I am a NASCAR Fan and lean to the right. We all know the fan base of NASCAR reaches into the dregs of our society and that was on full display Sunday. I feel bad for the fans who so proudly displayed their ignorance in booing a visiting First Lady whose attendance was to support the troops and who was NOT elected as the President of the country but is merely married to him.
Why were they there in the first place? I think that your lucky that all they did was Boo....
When you ask, 'why were they there in the first place?' – are you saying that they shouldnt be allowed at a NASCAR event? Because of their husbands' politics?
Then when you say, 'I think your lucky all they did was Boo' – what exactly do you mean? That the NASCAR fans would be expected to threaten the safety of the first lady? REALLY? Is that what Nascar is all about?
Let me translate your half-hidden logic into something more clear:
"Those uppity liberal women ought to keep their noses out of the fun we REAL patriots are having, or we're likley to hurt them."
You are an ignorant and narrow-minded pig.
Voice of reason ... you flatter yourself with that self descritpion ... more like the voice of a brainwashed, blindly devoted cult follower, who is a stooge for obama.
The crowd's behavior was disrespectful. Neither First Lady Obama nor Dr. Biden are elected officials.
Only people dumb enough to think driving cars really fast around a big loop as entertainment are classy enough to boo two ladies that were there to promote support to veterans and their families. Way to go NACAR fans, your retardedness knows no bounds
They were out of their element at a NASCAR event. Also this administration's policies are out of step with South Florida/
Ha. Look around you, White Guy.
What policies, the Republicians hasn't let anything through the house since the budget screw up. It is so easy to say the policies is screwing things up, without mentioning exactly what policies their are.
Dennis, the world is changing. It is you and your kind that will mostly be effected by that change. Get you head out of your butt dude. This is not your grand pappy's America and you can't stop the rain.
speak for yourself. I'm in South Florida and you don't speak for me. What has this administration done that is out of step with South Florida...
Remember, South FL is Miami (blue), Fort Lauderdale (blue), Palm Beach (blue)
So speak for yourself.
The obama's are shameless self serving hypocrites, who are disingenuous, and will pander to any group for votes. The obama's are out of step with our constitution, and what's best for America. Hopefully after November of 2012, they will be gone, so that America can once again become the greatest country on the face of the earth !!!
How can you get down on the first Lady? I mean, really? A lot of people who didnt like GWB called him all sorts of names, and made all kinds of cracks about his IQ... But No one poured this kind of hating on Laura Bush.
NASCAR fans: Grow up a little, and show a little class. Or you'll be seen by the world as a bunch of loud-mouthed beer-swilling dirty ignorant rednecks.
That's because Laura Bush didn't show up at events to try and bolster her husband's likability with a group of people who predominantly won't vote for him anyway.
Were you in a cave during Dubyah's administration? Both Bush First Ladies were very publicly active–unlike Mrs. Reagan. And more power to them. I'm not going to paste a hate on anyone who's trying to help someone.
Just how mean (and uninformed) are you? Is this it, or do you get worse?
I guess it's ok for first ladies to show up at events so long as they aren't pushing for any vet support.
I'm a white Midwestern girl and I personally think most NASCA fans ARE beer swilling rednecks.
Well Tina, I must say you don't know shit about Nascar fans in general. Pull your head out of your asshole this is not the 1970s era of Nascar. It just so happens that this even was indeed held in a redneck infested swamp (Homestead) full of openly racist people. PLEASE do not associate ALL Nascar fans with these low life inbreds in Homestead.
YOUR RIGHT ABOUT GWB, HE WAS NOT VERY BRIGHT BUT LAURA IS A VERY INTELLIGENT, CLASSY WOMAN AND NO ONE GOT DOWN ON HER FOR BEING MARRIED TO SUCH A "NOT SO BRIGHT" PERSON
Voice of Reason,
Your point was good but stick with decriptions like "ignorant" and avoid mean spiirited language. Do you know where the term "redneck" originated? It simply refers to sun burn on the neck - and frequenty used by white collar or non-laborers to describe (and discredit) farmers or laborers. "Redneck" is not a very fun term now that you know what it means, huh?
I mean no disrespect to hardworking people who spend their time in the sun. Nor do I want to get down on the good clean fun of racing cars. I'm just pointing out where these fans are living up to the ignorant stereotypes. If they had a little class, or decided to behave a ltitle better, they'd at least be respectful – but maybe that's asking a bit much of ANY sporting crowd? But it seems to me that this would be a group of people who would choose to rally behind their returning Vets (and just maybe the first lady who's introducing them, too... ).
amen finally the truth
IT'S SEEMS YOU HAVE MORE THAN A PASSING INTEREST IN "DIRTY" UNDOUBTEDY THE SHOE FITS SO PUT IT ON AND SHUT THE HELL UP !!
I'm trying to decide what your rant is about... Are you offended because the word 'dirty' hits too close to home, and you cannot afford bathwater? Or are you just angry because you dont know how to turn 'Caps Lock' off?
That's because Laura Bush deserved respect. She didn't stick her neck into politics like My Belle or Hillary.
If introducing a returning Vet from a foreign war qualifies as 'sticking their necks into politics', then so does every initiative from every first lady in generations. Literacy campaigns, health awareness, get fit campaigns, etc etc. What, exactly SHOULD the first lady do? Be seen and not heard? Stay cloistered in the white house and make sure to not say anything in public? Attend to her husband's elbow at parties and state dinners? Hey – the 19th century called and they want their suppression of women back.
Most misogynistic comment I've heard all day.
Every First Lady champions a cause of some sort – where have you been? It is highly honorable that this First Lady's cause is helping veterans and their families. Only pure hatred would cause you to see this as something more than what it is.
Aren't you overlooking the fact, that Mrs. Bush was the first First Lady to appear before a Senate Education Committee suggesting ways schools could help children dealing with the attacks of 9/11 that was in early 2002. She again appeared before the Senate Education Committee in 2002 calling for higher teachers salaries, and funding for better training of Head Start and day school workers. (I love that considering the Rethugliklans in most states now want to cut teacher's salaries. )
She was very active during both of George W. Bush's campaigns.
I would suggest reading:National First Ladies Library
First Lady Biography: Laura Bush ... at http://www.firstladies.org.biography
Obviously, either her biographer has written a bunch of baloney; or you know less than you thought you did.
Ah, yes, the "Rethuglikans." Those dastardly devils just can't wait to cut the salaries of all our hard working teachers and make them eat dog food. As a matter of fact, as one of those jerks, I'd like to cut teacher's salaries just enough that they don't qualify for food stamps, forcing them to decide between paying their heating bill, getting their meds, or eating.
You see, like all other Rethuglikans, I HATE teachers. I also HATE firefighters, policemen, crossing guards, and cats.
Seriously, I guess you're referring to states where teachers and their unions are being asked to contribute more than the pennies they do their healthcare costs and pensions, just like most of private industry. I guess in an era where states and the federal government are in massive debt, with gigantic pension obligations, you'd rather see the raises and generous benefits for public workers continue, so we can have rioting in the street like in Greece (and soon Italy, Portugal, and Ireland). I guess that's what you're referring to.
Until adults are running the country, there will be no fiscal sanity, and we're doomed, but, at least we'll know that we held off the Rethuglikans.
Jay, and why you are not against the very generous pensions and health insurance benefits our congressman receive? You should no be against school teachers, firefighters, and teachers only, should we? What are you doing about it besides whining about President Obama?
I mean what did they expect to happen?
Sad that those pieces of trash could not put their hatred for the President aside for a moment and cheer and obviously great cause.
Ridiculous...and these are the people that claim to be Patriots.
Stay classy rednecks...
I wouldn't expect any less from people that like to watch a car go around in circles for hours on end and think the confederate flag is a symbol of freedom or pride.
for Lizzie...my son is in the military and this admin has done way more for him (multiple tours) than the previous.
Well, what did you expect from a gathering of America's pond-scum? NASCAR fans are basically the bottom-feeders of sports and society. In general, they're poorly educated morons who like to watch things go round and round until there's a crash. A pathetic sport for pinheads who drink cheap beer, have too many kids, and not enough intelligence.
Cheers to that dude, Bravo!
Now, THAT is insightful analysis. CNN's producers should contact you for your deep insights into the NASCAR crowd.
Republican rule: You can boo the first lady but when you criticize Michelle Bachman at an event you are disrespectful Do as we say, not as we do.
What makes anyone think they can disrespect anyone!
What do you expect from a bunch of ignorant, drunk hillbillies? These 'people,' provided you consider mouth-breathing numbskulls people, still think Jim Crow laws should be in effect.
And these rednecks actually believe that going round and round in a big loud, noxious, gas wasting circle is a sport!
A sport!!!! Can you believe it?
Boogity, boogity boogity...you bunch of boobs.
Get real. Nobody in the Obama camp thinks they're going to get the bubba vote. As for the veterans, it would be hard to match the Bush Jr. record of apathy towards their well-being.
Not suprised that the first lady would get booed at a nascar event by southern hillbillies with a beer in one hand and gun in the other. Typical southern teapublicans....
And they want nothing to do with you or your politics.
These NASCAR folk watch Fox News all day. Of course they were going to be booed.
I was at Daytona in '03 when dubbya was there, and let me tell you it was a PAIN in the ARSE until he left. Every entrance/exit had airport-like security, and the lines were so long it took 15-20 minutes just to get another beer or go to the bathroom. Once he left, I could take a leak and get another beer in less than one lap! I don't think these guys think about the major inconvenience they cause when they show up to support something. STAY AWAY!!
Bad form NASCAR fans. Very impolite and improper. NASCAR themselves were good to have Mrs. Obama and Dr. Biden there to promote an exremely worth while endeavor and the fans choose to show their rudeness. Just goes to show that the sterotype about NASCAR fans isn't completely without merit.
George W Bush gets booed at Obama's inauguration and at a Nationals game means what? I'll tell you, it means he was unpopular, and so it Obama, and when your send 2 surrogates to a NASCAR race, in what will be a red state again in 2012, they are going to get boos, which were pretty gentle boos, given how their clueless husbands have screwed the economy up so much.
Look, Michelle Obama is a hypocrite and a nanny-state loving Liberal. She deserves the boos all on her own, but her husband's single-handed wrecking of the nation means she's a target, too. Guess what, it's politics, grow a pair.
@Lizzie43: Riiigghht. Mrs Biden and Mrs Obama are trying to get re-elected. Did you check who was in the President's chair lately? That aside, they have been deeply committed to helping vets since the November election, even before the Obamas entered the White House. Contrast that with the Bush Administration's repeated efforts to cut funding for veterans' care. Do you read? CAN you read? Or do you just prefer to sit on your butt with a beer and made stupid, uninformed comments? 'Cause you sure ain't interested in veterans. In fact, if you met one, I bet your first (appalling) question would be, "Did you kill anyone over there?"
Your an i..... but when you send your wifes to garner votes, thats what you get, you sm.... don't know nothing about me, but then I am not surprized for attacking me, do you know anything about veterans, probably nothing, nadda and zilch, did you know that the veterans part of their healthcare payment has gone up drastically under the Obama administration. I guess not, why don't you get informed talk to veterans or don't you know any. NASCAR has supported Veterans long before it became fashionable. And yes I do like beer and a good glas of wine.
@lizz+ I know something about Vets; 30 years, three wars and if you buy into that sh*t you are talking then you are dumber than dumb. In the service there is a penalty for stupid, and you know what that is. So don't go talking that "I am a vet and they support vets talk". They are still racists, hateful, poor, uneducated dogs, (Sorry Dogs) that eats their own vomit. If they had their choice, Blacks would be on the back of the plane on the way home from Iraq. Don't even try to protect these people,
don't even try it, don't even try it. They all should be boiled.
Lizzie43: Thank you for your response. I am teaching an ELL (English Language Learners) class this quarter and used your email response as an activity. The students were to rewrite your post to edit your grammar, punctuation, and sentence level errors. They were, however, not to alter the context.
You are the one that needs to get informed. I happen to be a veteran, and my son leaves for his 2nd tour in Afghanistan this Jan. Never forget – Walter Reid and Dover AFB burial scandals happened on the watch of Bush/Cheney, while Obama finally did something to bring the GI Bill into the modern day. Worried about paying rising health care costs for vets? Tell Republican representatives and their puppeteer , Grover Norquist, to repeal the Bush tax cuts :P
Are these the same veteran loving NASCAR fans that booed a gay soldier live on TV? A veteran is a veteran no matter what one does in their private life. When you boo one soldier you boo all soldiers and for that you should all be ashamed!
Dear Lizzie: I am a veteran. I served while Richard Nixon was in office. Not exactly what you would call an honorable man. But I did not think poorly of Pat Nixon when she showed up at our naval base to honor fallen sailors.
I think it dishonorable of you to criticize these women. Not everyone thinks like you do. There are genuine people in the world that have genuine feelings. How many veterans of how many wars do you think these women have met. Please allow that time and experience may affect a persons true feelings. You should be ashamed of your comments.
Thank you, Tim in MN, for both your service and wisdom. If Liz is at least 43 as it appears, watch out for her offspring.
@lizzie43–I don't know exactly what you enjoying a beer and a glass of Thunderbird have to do with supporting veterans, but I am a veteran from a family with veterans since the time of WW1, and the behavior of these people who booed is childish and without excuse. The Obama administration is doing a lot more for soldiers and veterans than the previous administration.
Michelle Obama and Jill Biden have been working tirelessly for veteran's families since before their husbands were elected. Of course, if you only listen to Rush L and Fox News you may not have known that. They sure don't publize anything positive about either the President or his family. Facts really don't seem to have much relevance for these guys.
The people booing might as well have been booing the veterans and their families directly. Disgusting!
They are rednecks period and also they do not have any class. This is the second time that these ill-mannered people have booed our military. I am not worried about the first lady and Mrs. Biden. They are not as thin-skinned as Palin and Bachmann. They keep right on moving forward.
Two quick thoughts here:
1. Manners? Nope! 1st amendment rights? Yep!
2. Some of you who are chastising the NASCAR fans are tossing in all types of racist terminologies too! Just an observation!
Are you saying only white people can be rednecks? Although other races know they are absolutely NOT welcomed at those events, I'm sure there are a few Herman Cains who decide to be the token in the crowd.
It is what it is steve. By his own croak the frog is betrayed.
Nice anology! I appreciate it.
Chastising is free speech as well Steveo. You boo, I chatise for booing, both protected.
Sorry Greg Smith,
I don't boo! You are correct chastising is protected speech. That however, was not my point. My point is the use of racist termologies to correct what you all have deemed to be "racist" behaviors!
How disrespectful but can't say I'm surprised I mean really who goes to NASCAR eventsother than southern white trash Republicans.
Classless, ill mannered morons.
People booing the FLOTUS while she was representing veterans issues? Hicks.
These two women were the wives of politicians, not the politicians themselves. Booing them showed zero class and was completely inappropriate, especially given the reason that the women were at the event.
I agree with u
What do you expect from a bunch of red necks
Who cares about what Nascar inbreds say or do
Rednecks huh... racist prick..
I laughed when I saw these two were scheduled to attend NASCAR. What kind of reaction did they expect. I agree this was about votes and nothing about Veterans. We can get down on the first lady because she is an elitist like her husband and has no idea what her place in society is. They are both so far disconnected from society they will never see daylight. This was another failed ploy to say "see we are just like you". They. Both have their elitist degrees thanks to the tax payer. Neither have worked a day in their lives and have had to surrender the law license. Ever owner about that. Stop spending my tax money strumming at events where clearly you are unwanted and out of your element. Talk about getting some class. These two could use some class. NASCAR is too classy for them.
Honestly, this is so out of the realm of reality I don't know where to begin. Both of these distinguished women have had careers and Mrs. Biden still teaches. I really can't stand all of the lies that have been spread about our President and First Lady but I guess racism in this country is still very much alive and well in some parts.
Stars and Bars...NASCAR fans...can't have one without the other.
Obvious mistake by the White House staff to send two classy Ladies to appear in the midst of a bunch of uneducated REDNECKS. They might have as well showed up at a meeting of the KKK.
I'm sure its exactly what they expected from a red-neck, unsophisticated, backwoods, slack jawed crowd drunk on beer and exhaust fumes. If you go to the zoo, u expect to see lower forms of animal life.
Can we really expect any more from a crowd that enjoys watching loud, gas guzzling cars go round and round an oval track? NASCAR has been losing audience because it's a dying sport watched by a (hopefully) dying breed of people – the uneducated.
Flotus.... She's still ugly doesn't matter how you cut it.... Have another McDonalds french fries while you're at it Michelle!!!!
I take it from your posting that this is article is about you and what you did this weekend.
I guess you had to be there to hear the boos. I didn't hear it. Oh yeah, the first Lady and Mrs. Biden WERE there and didn't hear them. Why is this inadequately supported story being documented again? lol
Maybe they were booed because they both married idiots, who are destroying the country.
What a bunch of idiots.
Crawl back under your rock, inbreed.
I'm so sick of this "destroying the country" crap with no specifics on what they think President Obama and VP Biden are doing to commit that act. It is just so ridiculous. If there was any chance of our country being destroyed it was greatest during the Bush/Cheney years yet we survived.
destroying the country is by spending three times more money than anyone in history that we dont have or maybe no budget in three years or maybe giveing our tax money to companies that support them or maybe many other things wrongly done with our money under the obama admin
@harry fuller AKA Harry FOS!!
Let's be truthful about this whole debt thing; Pres. Obama inherited this debt crisis from GWB. You do remember GWB and Cheney....right? You should formulate your own opinions and stop allowing others to feed you tainted information. Sounds like you're a republican to me....right? One other thing, how about that $90 Billion Bush gave to Iraq?? Sounds like a plan to me; go to war and destroy someone, then rebuild their country. Makes perfect sense. Think about where Americans could be if that $90 Billion was given to the people. People meaning citizens!!!!
If marrying an idiot was a crime, most of the country would be incarcerated...
In that case, all those who were booing should in turn be booing themselves for the same reason!
Yeah – NASCAR is a sport. Right.
Hardly surprising response.
no surprise she was booed. This is what christian inbreeds do.
i am an atheist and would boo those two. married to an idiot and a moron that just made bush look like a genius
An atheist at a NASCAR event? I suspect you'd get more than boo's from that crowd.
Such hate is not found in any of the Four Gospels.
There's a simple explanation. Michelle Obama's favorite project is reducing obesity and at a NASCAR rally, a lot of people take it personnally. Not as many as ten years ago, but that's because not as many NASCAR fans can squeeze into the stands as before. And as for the troops, Obama just finished up a war in Libya where we did not lose a single trooper by having British and French forces take the lead-sounds like a great way to support the troops instead of the normal right-wing way which is saying "support the troops"-and nothing more.
Howard said it best with the most accurate representation...anything for a vote and "the shows not over yet, folks".
Aren't these the same type of people who sent boos at a solder? Shouldn't suprise you if they'll also boo about people supporting vets.
Sad but true
NASCAR fans have the IQ of a house plant. In the past I have attended 2 events. That was more then enough for me. If ignorance is bliss then they are blissful indeed! Also, rude, crude, vulgar and uneducated. Unless you are conservative dirt baggers, religious zealots and NRA ravers, stay away from them! I guess that may be why attendance has dropped like a rock the past 10 years. Very nasty people.
Let's face it, NASCAR's roots are in bootlegging & booze-running, which at least required more skills than driving in circles. It's a red-neck sport & a waste of gas, favored by the IQ-challenged. So perhaps this sorry display might have been expected. Booing these women, who have done more to promote the well-being of our troops/families, than the the chicken-hawk politicians who initiated these wars, proves what phoney patriots these so-called NASCAR 'Americans' are. Bush/Cheney cared nothing for the soldiers fighting, as evidenced by the Walter Reid and Dover AFB burial scandals. Who finally did something to improve the GI Bill? Obama.
what goes around comes around...should the republican candidate win the general, I just hope the Dems don't forget how we were treated by the pukes and give em a heavy dose of their own medicine.
Already happened with Bush 43! That is the main problem with politics today! The Dems have done it in the past and will do it in the future and vice versa and all the while America fades! That is the problem with politics. It reminds me of an elementary school playground at recess!
True steveo, but there is a difference....with Bush there were plenty of valid and legitimate reasons for it – with Obama, it has been and always will be about only one thing – that he's Obama.
"with Bush there were plenty of valid and legitimate reasons for it – with Obama, it has been and always will be about only one thing"
I guess that really depends on where you sit. I posted elsewhere on this thread 10 items where reasonable people could disagree (vehemently) with Obama, and find him to be an abject failure.
Sure, you could list some for Bush, too, but to sit there and act like Americans don't have some valid reasons for finding the Obama presidency pretty disappointing, is to stick your head in the sand and completely ignore reality.
Some (I mean, most) on the Left have made racism a cottage industry. Disagree with them, you're a racist, despite substantive policy differences, and the demonstrably incompetent handling of the economy for 2.5 years now, you're still chalking up the opposition to racism.
It's generally what arguments with Leftists come down to. There is nothing you can say substantive, since the empirical evidence all supports your opponent, you resort to the race card.
Barack Obama is not incompetent and a rotten leader because he's black. He just happens to be a black president who is incompetent. My guess is the percentage of incompetent people is about equal between the races.
I agree with both of you. Either way, Obama will be re-elected. None of the current clueless elements can stand with him. I guarantee that if Bush had overhauled Healthcare the way Obama did; he would be celebrated!! The republicans would not have been against it.
Correction...I agree with steveo and PatNY!
Civility and manners have disappeared from American culture. We are devolving.
I would vote for a spatula before I voted for Obama.
Funny...but I don't think most people will get that you're calling the republican nominee a spatula!
Figures......... coming from the inbreed, BUBBA'S who have nothing better to do with their time....heheheeeee isn't this fun watching all them dadgum cars going round and round.
I find it amazing and appalling that those people who embrace the sport of auto racing and are obvious fans of American rights and liberties would go out of their way to disrespect the Office of the President. I find it shameful and disrespectful, and those same people are most likely the ones who support respect of the American Flag, support our respect for the Pledge of Allegiance, and support the rights of the Constitution. It is shameful that someone would show not only disrespect for the Office of the President and vice-President, they would also attempt to embarrass their wives who honorably serve their husbands and our country in traditional capacity. It is disgusting, and everyone who boo'd should be shamed for such terrible report.
This was just bad planning. Of course NASCAR fans would boo them. If Bush showed up at a Dave Mathews concert he would get booed as well. You have to know you audience and whoever planned this assumed that the NASCAR fans would behave, but I'm sure as soon as one person started booing, the herd mentality kicked in. If you were NOT booing in the stands, I"m sure people would have taken notice and looked at you kind of funny.
This hateful, unpatriotic act speaks for itself. Had the same thing happened when Laura Bush and Lynn Cheney appeared, folks like Howard would be calliing for an FBI investigation. The right has gone fascist, the antithesis of American values. We don't always live up to those values, but at least we should know what they are, and acknowledge when we fall short. For now, the future of true democracy is very much in doubt.
And all the rubes that did 'boo' showed exactly why they're rubes.
Stay classy rednecks!
Here is how you handle these yokels. Excuse them from paying any federal taxes. THEN, yank all of the federal dollars that go to the state, which amounts to $1.78 for ever dollar in tax revenue collected. Let them drown in their own poverty and stupidity.
I'd like to agree, but it just seems like if I do I am no better than a conservative since I'd essentially be supporting something they would probably love!
What state are you referring to? Looking at 2010' data, Florida is a net giver to the Federal trough. Florida residents receive $0.97 of benefit for every dollar paid.
Stay classy, Ricky Bobby.
Your right Bro ,
NASCAR brings out the true American hard working Viagra eating , guns , god and gasoline patriots that made this county the wonder of the world !
Why are we surprised that redneck NASCAR fans booed? This group would rather cheer for the idiot Half Gov. Palin, she is at their intelligence level, or maybe the other way around. Actually I'm a little surprised that these fans even knew who these two ladies were.
Typical Liberal response, call someone an idiot.
I don't know why we'd expect a gracious reception from people that only know how to turn left.
Nobody ever accused NASCAR fans of having "class".......or Hockey fans either for that matter. If someone wants to boo the president and/or the VP, then have at it. But to boo their wives is uncalled for......rude and crude.
When they announced her, they grouped her name with the name of the Nascar official.
If they would have announced her name separately, there would have been even more/louder boos.
The officials probably knew this, which is why they announded her name in that way.
Sorry.......There is not going to be much support for the 1st lady of the worst President in the history of our country!!
Hey....coming from someone, who likes to sit and watch cars drive in a circle, like watching paint dry......saying that President Obama is the worst president in history....is like saying gw bush was/is on the same level as a functional literate. Typical rightwingers and that low IQ thing.
Uhh.....sorry, you are confused....It wasn't Laura Bush!!!
Worst President? You must have been in a coma when Bush held office. Started the Iraq War with lies. Took a surplus budget and turned it into a recession. Ignored Colin Powell and planned for no exit strategy in Iraq. Walked away from the Taliban and let them regroup. Was in bed with Enron. Was in bed with Haliburton. Was in bed with the Pharmaceutical and Healthcare industry. Was in bed with the banking industry when they trashed America. My favorite: Tried to give the German Chancellor a neck rub while she sat in front if international television cameras – and she recoiled and at "W" like an ignorant hick improperly touching a world leader. Did you miss that entire era?
Right you are Larry........and you just scratched the surface on all of the damage Bush did to this country. He wins the "worst" award hands down.
W. also quit looking for bin Laden by March of 2002.
Have you ever given any time to studying a little bit of American history? If you had you would understand how utterly ignorant your comment sounds to those of us with some understanding of what has gone on in our country. How about William Howard Taft, or Herbert Hoover, but you probably are unaware that these men were ever president.
Sue, I'll lay odds you couldn't list five former presidents or their accomplishments without googling it first.
You must have been born yesterday if you think President Obama is the worst in history. Would you please give us specifics on what he's done to earn that label? I swear, you people can't see the forest through the trees and will NEVER acknowledge the accomplishments of this president so far. He's saved us from another Depression, saved the auto industry, got Bin Laden and other top terrorists, got Ghaddafi and is protecting us. If Bush had done all of this, you would want him on Mt. Rushmore!
"Would you please give us specifics on what he's done to earn that label?"
Ok, i'll take the challenge:
1) Passed stimulus which promised to PREVENT unemployment from crossing OVER 8%.
2) Automaker bailouts that now will cost taxpayers over $40B. In the process, restructuring put unsecured loans ahead of secured loans (in other words, gave unions preferential treatment, in a slap at what would have happened in a real bankruptcy court)
3) Solyndra loan that costs taxpayers $500M, and that put private investors ahead of taxpayers in recouping losses from Solyndra's bankruptcy.
4) see 2&3 – Practices crony-capitalism with the best of them
5) Spent a year of his administration passing Obamacare, a major part of which (the CLASS Act) has already been deemed impossible to implement (and accrue the cost savings from) and another part of which is about to be ruled unConstitutional.
6) Hired Eric Holder to oversee the most political DoJ in history – failing to prosecute the Black Panthers for voter intimidation and allowing guns to walk to Mexico in the Fast and Furious program
7) Likely will allow Iran to obtain a nuclear weapon, and Islamists to take over in Egypt, Libya, and Algeria.
8) Spent a good portion of a year on his apology tour, bowing to every foreign ruler he could find, except the Brits, for whom he managed to insult by sending back their loan of Churchill's bust with his iPod full of his own speeches for the Queen.
9) Wasted the intelligence value from the bin Laden take down by making sure he took credit for it within hours, before we could benefit from much of the intelligence recovered.
10) Still hasn't visited all 57 states
BUT, he did:
1) Give permission for Seal Team 6 to take down bin Laden (despite what many Liberals believe, Obama was not actually there to fire the kill shot)
2) Lead from behind and prove the uselessness of other NATO countries by supporting the rebels against Qaddafi
3) Relent on trying KSM in Manhattan and kept Gitmo open
4) Allow targeted drone strikes and the killing of American citizens fighting on the side of the enemy
So, I guess he's not ALL bad.
As a retired 20 year veteran I am disgusted that "so-called" patriots would boo the First Lady and Mrs. Biden when the event they are sponsoring is totally about veterans, their families and the REAL PATRIOTS of this country.
All NASCAR fans do not agree with how a few throwbacks in that crowd were acting!
Tony, you are correct I hope you're right about the fans.......To me I'm hard pressed to find ANY first lady that did not deserve respect! They all are for one, ladies, and two, they are all very dignified in my opinion.
WE SHOULD ALL FEEL SORRY FOR" HOWARD"! THIS IS A LITTLE BOY WHO NEVER REALLY GREW UP... HE'S JUST FEELING SORRY FOR HIMSELF SO HE HAS TO THROW MUD AT EVERYONE ELSE. ...NO ONE WITH CLASS OR DIGNITY WOULD BOO THESE TWO WOMEN. WHETHER YOU AGREE WITH THEIR POLITICS OR NOT....THEY REPRESENT OUR GOVERNMENT AND SHOULD BE ACCORDED RESPECT... I DON'T REMEMBER OTHER PRESIDENTIAL WIVES BEING BOOED AT PUBLIC EVENTS. ..........SHAME ON THEM ALL......
"THEY REPRESENT OUR GOVERNMENT AND SHOULD BE ACCORDED RESPECT"
Really? Since when does being a representative of the government accord respect? I suppose the good thing about that rule is that when we're ALL employed by the government, we'll ALL get the respect we so richly deserve.
Not surprised. What has 1,000 eyes and 30 teeth? The front row at a NASCAR race.
Haha! Do you think the first lady expected anything less from a NASCAR event in Florida? Lol. She was probably wearing skin-tight body armor from the moment she stepped off the plane.
Michelle had to find something to do, being that she can no longer get away with using tax payers' money to pay for her vacations!!
How disgusting the redneck clans are.....cannot even afford normal decency to the First Lady!!!! This type of disrespect would never happen to the 'red' side!!! This proves that the hate from talk radio and Faux news IS foxwashing the weak-minded!!!
That's not a booing crowd CMM, it was a tiny fringes from the entire crowd. Get your fact straight. don't make it seem like the majority or entire crowd was booing
I'm a HUGE fan of the President's, the First Lady, the VP, and Dr Biden, but what the heck, it's a sporting event, and they represent politicians. I think the real headline would have been if they didn't get booed. Besides, I'm sure there were a lot of fans who applauded too. I remember seeing Palin get booed at the hockey game. I laughed. It is what it is.
That's not a booing crowd CMM, it was a tiny fringes from the entire crowd. Get your fact straight. don't make it seem like the majority or entire crowd was booing. slow news day I guess
I don't watch NASCAR, but know a few people who do. Some are what may be termed "rednecks," and some are extremely intelligent, decent people.
With that said, the bottom line is that to "boo" the First Lady, regardless of her race or husband's political party, is rude, inconsiderate, and classless. One doesn't have to agree with the politics of the day to be civil and cordial – especially at a public event.
Good lord! Have we sunk so low that we boo two women who were at this event to support vets (and who received a standing ovation from the drivers earlier). I do not think it is racist or ignorant, I think it is completely classless. You can hate the President and his policies, but for goodness sakes show some civility.
Didn't we have a President from Arkansas named Bubba? Is the South or NASCAR that the haters don't like? And while we are hating lets bring in the VETs, Race (White Guy–like that one), Bush, Gender, fans, rednecks and I am sure that I have missed some.
Considering this is a hostile environment for any Dems to begin with, I'm unfortunately not surprised. It's truly dispicable but it's the same "crowd" that would cheer for executions, boo a gay soldier, and cheer for the repeal of the Affordable Healthcare Act.
The Dems. are just doing what the Repubs. have mastered; Attaching themselves to the Noble Military.
It's a shame a few idiots in the crowd turned an event about supporting our troops into something nasty and political. Boo the President or VP all you want but leave their wives and kids alone.
I haven't read one comment that has acknowledged there were 4 children on that stage that got boo'd as well. The boy standing in front of the First Lady, his eyes and facial expression responding immediately to the crowd. Look at the faces of all the children as the crowd start to boo. The looks of bewilderment are heart-breaking.
And what a classy move by the First Lady to instantly empathize and understand how the boy might be responding to the crowd, rub his shoulder and tell him to get ready to start the race.
How disrespectful. I hated GW Bush but would've never booed Laura Bush
How do we know they weren't Afican-American NASCAR fans that were doing the boooing the First Lady........ oh....never mind.
What was really funny is Kurt Busch flipping the bird at the Secret Service truck which was blocking his way into the garage after his transmission blew up.
I guess when you openly express that you were never proud of the counrtry you reside in, until your husband wins the primary, than i guess you should expect to get booed at by American Loving individuals... Sucks to have your bitter words used against you ay michelle... ?
Maybe if you haters would stop twisting what was actually said you would have a better grip on reality. The FLOTUS said that "she was never as proud of her country", meaning that the election of her husband showed that Americans have progressed and were willing to look beyond his skin color.
Maybe you need to get your facts straight before you go off at the mouth.
On several occasions in 2008, Michelle Obama said very clearly that for the majority of her life, she was NOT proud of America (http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2008/02/michelle-obam-1-2/).
A person named Bryan says it all in a message posted to Hotair.com, on February 18, 2008:
“For the first time in my adult life, I am proud of my country,” she told a Milwaukee crowd today, “because it feels like hope is making a comeback.(Michelle Obama)”
“Only her husband’s run for president has made her proud of America? That’s…extremely narcissistic and self-centered.
Nothing America has done in Michelle Obama’s adult life, which at 44 goes back 26 years to 1982, has made her proud of her country? Nothing? Not winning the Cold War? Not our regular and orderly transitions of power based on the rule of law? Not the fact that we feed and defend the world, not that we lead in science and technology research, not that we elected the first black president in 1992…nothing? Not the fact that she and her husband were able to go to Ivy League schools before embarking on extremely lucrative careers? Not the fact that we help out in disasters wherever they strike in the world? Nothing has made Michelle Obama proud of her country in her entire adult life?
How sad. I certainly don’t want such a vain pessimist as First Lady(Bryan)”.
Ryche was right….it must suck to have your words thrown back in face with such accuracy and velocity.
Wow! As I read through the replies for this article, I am reminded that racism and bigotry are still alive in this country. I sincerely hope none of you people are my neighbors. Class warfare and party hatred are all I see on this page. Everyone of you should seriously think about what you are saying to one another. Just because you can hide behind a user name doesn't make this okay. Just once I would like to see people posting about real methods of fixing what is wrong with this country, instead of just bickering.
Dave, here's a Band-Aid, put it on your heart (it’s bleeding), and then get a life.
They weren't booing, they were yelling to the concession guy, "BOOZE".
C'mon, they're NASCAR fans – its not like they knew who these two ladies even were.
Right-wing NASCAR people are ignorant trash. They BOO military families and wives of politicians? Wow.
It was most assuredly racist. It's complete BS for anyone to claim that the vast majority of angry people in the US are not angry at the color of our president and his family. It disgusts me the lack of respect shown to our elected leader. Even at the height of the Bush/Clinton messes no one would have DARED yell "liar" at the State of the Union or Boo a first lady who is honoring veterans. It is because they are black that the vast majority of the GOP base, who really only benefit from liberal policies but are perpetually kept in a moral, religious frenzy to actually realize this, even has the B*lls to be so disrespectful. The poor, stupid, white trash of this country are so blind they don't realize that without the liberals in office their kids would not have free and reduced lunch, state provided dental care, after school activities, food stamps, scholarships and pell grants. How can people be so blind? But go on....keep waving your confederate flags, driving your gas guzzling trucks and collecting unemployment while bitching about the economy that the GOP gifted the Obama administration and that he then RESCUED. And make sure you spend what little is left of your disability check (after you buy beer and smokes) to buy your Nascar commemorative plates. Keep feeding the machine that keeps you in your place......broke and ignorant. Do what they tell you and blame EVERYTHING on the black man in office. After all...he's a muslim antichrist right? Not an educated, middle leaning, brilliant Christian husband and father who has spent his life serving our country and has to endure watching his beautiful, intelligent and loving wife be boo'd by the very people he is working hardest for. Well done.... "real Americans".
I was going to add more to your comment but you got the bases cover. When Pres Obama was elected I told people around me "you just watch....Reps are going to BLAME EVERYTHING ON OBAMA AND THEY WILL WHIPE THEIR HANDS FROM ALL THE DISASTERS THEY CAUSED TO THIS COUNTRY! EVERYTHING WILL BE BLAME ON OBAMA!!" and just look what is happening.
After what they did to Clinton I was also betting that they would do the same or worse to Obama. This is always their strategy but now with President Obama they can attach all those "labels" to him because of his skin color...pathetic!
Yes, absolutely, there are all lily-white racists. They're probably super mad that he's 1/2 white. And, I am sure they get ultra mad when they compare him to Herman Cain, who had the sense to be born all black and poor, and not into privilege, and had to get his education from Morehouse (vice Occidental and Harvard), then had to actually work in the, gasp, private sector! OMG, those racists just want to keep the black man down.
Yes, the "poor, stupid, white trash" just don't realize how good they have it on food stamps, with their government dental care (dental care? seriously?), scholarships and pell grants (all government provided).
Sweet, you also seem omniscient, since not only do you know exactly what these people are doing with their "disability checks" but you also know that Michelle Obama is loving and intelligent. As for beautiful, that's subjective, but, we are all so, in our own way.
BTW, they didn't yell "liar", but Dems in Congress did boo Bush at his 2005 SOU address, http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/09/10/flashback_democrats_boo_bush_at_2005_state_of_the_union.html
I am so tired of this "hardworking American" crap.
Lynda.............we are tired of your "not so hardworking crap from California". After all it was the illegal immigrants that built this country (at least in your mind). If Obama was booed get over it, there was a reason for it so live with it.
Keep in mind this crowd is made up of a lot of military, their friends and families, if they choose to boo Obama they have the right to do so! They have earned it!
Michelle was not proud of this country until he husband was nominated, that speaks volumes about who is in the white house. Her words not mind.
Also if/when California goes down the financial tubes don't come crying to the rest of us, we will not allow our politicians to bail out a state that is completely out of financial control and out of touch with reality!
Her royal majesty and her first lady-in-waiting benevolently went to mingle with smelly peasants. The peasants were not rejoicing, obviously peasants are at fault here and not the clusterf*** that is US currently.
I don't doubt some of the boos were prompted by racism however ordinary working people have a lot of reasons to boo and spit on politicians and their families, especially since the later are obviously hunting for votes.
Democrats & Republicans – two wings of the same incompetent gang.
You americans are so funny; ignorant, petty and vicious, but FUNNY too.
President Obama today signed the “VOW to Hire Heroes Act,” which provides tax credits to business that hire veterans.
President Bush sent soldiers into Iraq in Humvees that weren't properly armored because "you go to war with the army you have." Countless soldiers were wounded and killed because of this and soldiers had to resort to creating make-shift armor from scrap to protect themselves.
And the NASCAR folks boo the First Lady and Dr. Biden?
What a bunch of classless jerks!
So why now...it's been almost 3 years...is it because an election is coming up??? Plus this is just smoke and mirrors to fool people like you...because they are trying to reduce veteran benefits...Take your own advice and "think again".
ThinkAgain, once again you’ve succeeded in making a first class fool of yourself. Next time, try doing a little research before you start foaming at the mouth.
Every President since Harry Truman has signed legislation that gives tax credits to businesses that hire veterans. Thus, Barry Obama isn’t half the hero you’re making him out to be, but you’re welcome to fall to your knees and kiss his ass if you’d like.
You wrote: “President Bush sent soldiers into Iraq in Humvees that weren't properly armored because "you go to war with the army you have." Countless soldiers were wounded and killed because of this and soldiers had to resort to creating make-shift armor from scrap to protect themselves.”
Did you ever hear of “World War Two”? Well, FDR sent a quarter of a million American soldiers to war in Ronsons. Do you know what a Ronson was? A Ronson was the name the GI’s gave to the M4 Sherman tank. It had thin armor, and was equipped with a gasoline engine, and when it was hit by a round from a German 88, it went up in flames every time, reliable, like a Ronson cigarette lighter. American soldiers are creative, they welded extra armor over the areas where their tanks were the most vulnerable, but it didn’t do any good. The German Tiger and King Tiger tanks were the cream of WWII tanks, and the Sherman was the sh!t of WWII tanks, but the American soldier was stuck with it for five years, because President Roosevelt was told that a better tank would take up too much space on a transport ship and he agreed. The Humvee, however, is a different story.
The majority of the Humvees that were damaged or destroyed were hit by roadside IEDs (improvised explosive devices) or by RPGs (rocket-propelled grenades). Humvees were not designed to withstand that type of attack, in fact they weren’t designed withstand any kind of attack. They were designed to replace the Jeep; unfortunately they were in the wrong place at the wrong time. But, unlike the M4 Sherman, the President (GWB) ordered them to be systematically taken out of combat and up graded.
The moral of the story: President Bush (The Conservative Republican) acted in order to save the lives of American soldiers. President Roosevelt (The closet Socialist) didn’t act in order to save space; he cost the lives of American soldiers (Maybe over 40,000 in M4 Shermans alone).
FYI: The NASCAR folks booed Mrs. Obama and Mrs. Biden because they have a First Amendment right to do so; it’s called Freedom of Speech you classless moron, look into it.
NASCAR and Washington DC what's the connection ?
Something is going on here it doesn't pass the smell test !
Note the race was in Florida;not exactly what one would call 'the deep South'.Using a broad brush on all Nascar fans shows a lack of logical thought..." All XYZs are...." " All ABCs are....".
Um, Anne, in case you didn't know, Homestead, FL is a small, inbred, confederate flag waving hee hah town about 30 miles south of Miami. As a former resident of Homestead, I can honestly say that place is openly racist, and yes Florida it IS the DEEP SOUTH.
They got all the respect they deserved...no one shot at them!
Early in President Obama's first term, the GOP, lead by Rush Limbaugh, gave everyone permission to disrespect our president. They've done everything to delegitimize him and have known no bounds in their disgusting, base treatment.
And yet these same people think they are the "real" Americans.
They are nothing but trash. The sad part is the joke's on them in how they are letting themselves be used as pawns by the rich and powerful Koch brothers/400 wealthiest in this country who wouldn't let you within 1,000 yards of their country club because they agree that you are nothing but trash.
ThinkAgain, your name implies that you’ve thought before, but after reading your post, I’m convinced this is your initial effort.
Anyone who thinks that Rush Limbaugh speaks for the GOP is a fool of monumental proportions. And anyone who would print such stupidity is just a shill for the socialist left. So tell us, O monumental fool how does anyone but congress or the electorate delegitimize a sitting president? And who is the joke really on? Is it the Republican voters whose candidate lost, or the Democratic voters whose candidate is a loser?
You and everyone like you are just pissed off because people like Limbaugh and other Republicans knew that Barry Obama would be an abysmal failure. He had no experience of any kind; doing anything. He never held a job in the private sector. He was never elected to govern anything on even the most fundamental level. He is nothing more than a closet socialist, and his private agenda is to fool morons like you. And you have the nerve to try and demonize the Koch brothers. You don’t know anything about them first hand, so maybe you should stfu.
If a crowd of overweight undereducated hillbillies booed me, I'd take it as a compliment.
I'm a NASCAR fan. And, while I would not have booed, I haven't forgotten the 1st Lady saying, "For the 1st time in my adult life I'm proud to be an American". I'm sure that remark has stuck in the craw of many Americans. It was ill-advised to invite her to be a grand-marshal at this particular championship race to honor our veterans.
NASCAR got this ethanol gasoline additive thing started because their cars run on ethanol.
NASCAR should be working on and developing cars that run on hydrogen carbon free fuel that will never run out.
Soooo I take it that all this "patriots" at the NASCAR race are not veterans right?! You know those veterans who are send to fight for the U.S right?! Who many paid the greatest sacrifice for their love of their country right?! So none of these "patriots" have nothing to do with veterans, so they happily booed this two ladies who were there for Joining Forces campaign that deals with veterans issues right. Oh "patriots!"
ItsAMirage, you write with an Eastern European accent:
Hello, my name is Peggy; I am for Patriots fan right? Soooo, I go for Homestead Florida and Dolphins-Patriots game and find NASCAR race instead, right? Who many paid for Dolphins-Patriots tickets got a big one in keester right? None of these Patriots fans have for nothing to do with NASCAR veterans, right? Sooo, they for happily grabbed the boobs of this two ladies who were there for Joining Occupy NASCAR. We are wild and crazy guys. Go Patriots.
I've attended an event where former First Lady Laura Bush gave a speech and presented teacher's awards. I'm a Democrat and I found Mrs. Bush to be an eloquent speaker and a lovely woman, regardless of her husband's politics. I would expect the same respect for First Lady Michelle Obama.
I say give California to China as payment on the national debt......of course I know it won't even put a dent in the debt, but at least we will be rid of all those 60's Rejects.
Stay classy, NASCAR fans.
Wow, I wonder why a bunch of bitter clingers to their guns and religion would boo a woman who freely and ingraciously spends their tax money on lavish personal vacations? Maybe if the Obamas tried not insulting the American people's character and intelligence on a daily basis they might be more popular.
They should boo her.. She doesn't promote anything for the military.. The present administration are looking to increase health care benifits for our veterans. These are benifits we were promised to be free! I have only one word for Obuma's and biteme's wife.... BOOOOOO!!!!
Benefits that were promise???!! But who promise them? And why have other ex presidents not done anything about them? And if no one has done nothing BUT OBAMA IS DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT.....why are you booing him??!!
First Lady's are not policy makers. In fact, every First Lady I know on any political level is for the most part for helping charities or educational campaigns. Booing them is inappropriate and uncalled for.
Hmmmm, were you born after 1993? As I remember, Hillary Clinton led a very large effort to radicalize the health care industry in 1993. It failed.
Perhaps the memory is selective.
President Bush was booed so that makes this alright. It's further proof that the republicans are no better than the democrats. They both act like inconsiderate and disrespectful idiots.
What a bunch nitwits.
They are not always booed, whenever GW Bush attends TX Ranger games the crowd goes wild with applause when the cameras put him on the scoreboard screen.
First someone had to explain to the crowd just who these women were. Some thought Mamie Eisenhower was still the first lady. THEN they booed.
Honestly, if they thought it was Mamie Eisenhower, they would have cheered. Eleanor Roosevelt, however....
I am a NASCAR fan and I am embarrassed. First, Steward, Harvick and Edwards (all of whom I used to like) disrespected the President of the United States when he invited them to the White House – to honor their achievements. Then this – booing the 1st and 2nd ladies who are there to honor a cause that the right-wingers supposedly support. Those people showed very poor taste.
I think they should take that final race away from Homestead as punishment. Give it to Dover or Chicagoland, instead. :D
Better yet, give the final race to Las Vegas. LVMS does not have two races in a single season and it is most certainly deserves two. Homestead is a low class, redneck dump that certainly DOES NOT deserve to be put on the Nascar schedule for next season for that matter. By all means, Nascar should definitely remove HMS from the 2012 schedule. Give em the death penalty!
Just a sign of low class, low culture. What can you expect. Like it or not there are sports and groups that will forever be linked to racism. You'd think we would be over this already.
What's ironic is that the NASCAR folk are the ones who need this president and democratic policies the most, too bad most of them are too dumb to know it...and in case you're wondering that includes a few in my own family!
That's the problem, a lot of people rely too much on the Gov't to help them.
Reading these post are discouraging. I'm not a fan of the Commander and Chief and I disagree with a lot of his policies. Mrs. Obama and Mrs Biden are supporting a vetern's program that supports 'our', America's Warriors, that that is great. Yes they were also supporting their husbands trying to connect with NASCAR fans to get votes for the President and Vice President. So what. Republican candidates do the same thing, I know that I would ask my wife to support me in that situation. The discouraging thing is to see how we as American's are so fast to attack each other for our political ideas. While we often claim to be Republicans or Democrats, it turns out that the issues that truely impact us all are in the middle. Many of us who are so upet by the booing at this event or even the attendance of these ladies, know little about the issues other than what we see on TV. We the people, need to come together, tell our elected leaders to get off their political fences and find solutions. The political leaders are the ones who should be booed and critized, not the First Lady and not our fellow Americans. After 26 years of defending this nation it sucks to watch us fight each other from within.
so much for southern hospitality. Totally disrepectful. Some of the people that wrote in are pretty stupid too. The first lady did not spend public money for her vacation and the Obama family has nowhere near the money of Cain,Romney or ol newt. Stupid remarks. The first lady and second lady have been working to inprove and draw attention to vets and their familys. But what can you expect from a crowd of people that spend hours watching cars go round and round and round. Not exactly a bunch of intellectuals. You repos are a real unpatriotic bunch of idiots. vote all repos out
George, what the hell is a “repos”? What office do they hold? And why should we vote them out? And tell me something Einstein, were you born yesterday? Prior to the Homestead NASCAR race, did you ever hear or read anything about these two women doing any work for this particular veterans group? Do you think we’ll hear or read about them doing any more work for this group in the near future? No? Me either. Do you think there’s something screwy about that? I do.
I think they were primarily there to promote their husbands re-election campaigns. Furthermore, I think they were purposely sent into hostile territory, knowing full well the kind of reception they would get. And as far as being disrespectful is concerned, you have got a lot to learn about being an American.
The men who drafted our Constitution thought that Freedom of Speech was so important, that they put it in the first Article of The Bill of Rights. Do you even know what the Bill of Rights is, you babbling leftist moron.
George, I suggest that next time, before you post, you do a little research, so you don’t make yourself look like a bigger fool than you already have. Or not.
Let's forget color and party right now, does anyone care where our country is headed?
People need to wake up. I thought we sent these people to the White House to represent us? They are there on their own agenda and do not care anymore who they hurt to get what they want. We need to vote them all out. Put people in there that care about the United States and where we are headed.
You see light. That is good. The rest don't want to see light. Everyone is so afraid to be without a seat, when the music stops that they have forgotten that they will believe any music and look for any chair. We are in the era of the Big Lie.
The Ignorant have their right to speak out and have spoken.
Bet y'all want GWB back so he can suck more money out of your pockets for his crony contractors. Now many y'all lost family in the lied into Iraq War.
Yeah Bush bring it on some more no more liberals. Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Sock it to me, I love abuse and hate liberals.
Thi sis not surprising considering this is same type crowd that cheer executions, boo gay soldiers, support repealing the Affordable Heathcare Act, etc. But, I forgot, these are the "real" Americans!!
Lumping repealing the Affordable Healthcare (I guess Heathcare failed) Act in with booing gay soldiers and cheering executions is really a stretch. But, for many on the Left, taking over the healthcare industry is a religious experience for them.
It's not a health care takeover – but even if it were – wouldn't that be worth it to save the 45,000 lives per year that are lost due to lack of health insurance? Or are the current profiteers in that industry more important than the ordinary citizens lives?
If only the government would take over the healthcare and give us a public option then we might move into the 21st century and join the ranks of all the other civilized countries in the world. I just don't get people that are so against this. You say you love your country yet don't care that we are slipping into 3rd world status, you say your Christians but don't care about people losing their lives because they don't have health insurance or go bankrupt because of same.
As I said, taking over healthcare is a religious experience for the Left.
If I hadn't read some of your other posts, FLIndependent (yeah, right), I would say this is satire, sadly, I think you actually believe what you say.
It's funny how libs call repubs racist because Michelle was booed all while calling people rednecks and hillbillies. Maybe this has nothing to do with race or even Barack. Maybe this has to do whith Michelle's own hatred of Amerian and what it stands for. Just maybe people don't like her personally because of her "for the first time in my life I'm proud to be an American" comment. So when you say things like "well we never booed Laura Bush" that's because people are not looking at the husbands here. I think many American's truely don't like Michelle. Especially when she tries to control what we eat while she chows down on burgers, ribs and fries.
Seems like most people on this comments page are accusing the fans of NASCAR of hate and racism, yet they show their dissatisfaction for their actions with more of the same behavior. So...how much smarter did you say you were than the fans of NASCAR? Fools.
RSS, tsk, tsk, tsk, you were doing soooo good...right up to the fools part, then you lost it and became human......like the rest of us.
And this just in, "6 year old child touches the stove and finds out that it is hot!"
By booing these women you are booing our troops. They were only there to promote helping the families of our troops. All the BS that is done before the race with soldiers, flags and fly overs is just that "BS". Shame on you all.
Sonshe, are you an American? In America we have something called Freedom of Speech. If we don’t like the way our national leaders are doing their jobs, we have the right to let them know about it. If they send their wives as proxies, than we can boo THEM as proxies for their husbands. Get the picture?
You wrote: “They were only there to promote helping the families of our troops.”
Sonshe, do you know naïve means? If you think that those two women were there only to help our troops, then the shame is on you. If you think, for one minute that the Whitehouse brain trust sent them into the Homestead, Florida area without knowing in advance what kind of reception they’d get, than you’re living in fantasyland.
That place must have been crawling with Secret Service agents, and snipers and every type of protection imaginable for those two women; much more than normal. Homestead, Florida is hostile territory, and the Secret Service must have been prepared for the worst case scenario.
What the hell was the first lady thinking going to a NASCAR event? NASCAR is a sport whose main fan base is white blue-collar males. This was a big misstep on her part and whoever advised her to go to this event needs to be fired.
They were all busy trying to put their teeth in.
I find it hilarious that so many people jump to the conclusion that all Nascar fans are hardcore GOP supporters. Um, 30 percent of Nascar fans identify themselves as GOP supporters while 29 percent identify as Dems. It just so happens that this race was held in Homestead, Florida. If anyone does not know about this disgusting, low-class redneck dump, educate yourselves. Homestead is a small town about 30 miles south of Miami, FL. This town is infested with confederate flag waving low life scum of the earth who are openly racist. I dare you to compare EVERY other race track in Nascar's circuit to HMS. The level of class in South Florida is very premature and racism/bigotry/ignorance is terrible. Please do not compare these low class fans to EVERY Nascar fan. I so happen to support our President and I consider myself a Nascar fan. It would be Nascar's honor to REMOVE Homestead-Miami Speedway from the 2012 season as punishment. Kind of like the death penalty in college football.
I'm as anti-big "gubment", as they come, and think BHO and his henchmen are clueless in the best case scenario....and out to literally destroy the economy so that they can retool society into a series of "gubment" programs for the lazy, incompetent, and ignorant in exchange for their votes in the worst case.
That said however, I think the behavior exhibited toward Mrs Obsma and Biden at the NASCAR race was crass and uncalled for. It does however, bring a smile to my face to realize that in any "unscripted" event that the mainstream liberal media can't twist to reflect positively on the president or Dems, the public seems to always "accidentally" let their REAL feelings out. Not that anyone in the administration or it's closely controlled mainstream media cares– as these people are witheringly arrogant and are convinced that "they know best". Hopefully working America will set them straight in 2012...or else we are doomed to repeat Europe's failed socialist experiment.
If you don't like President Obama, don't vote for him, but show respect for our First Lady and our troops,
Anna, you wrote: “If you don't like President Obama, don't vote for him, but show respect for our First Lady and our troops,” (BTW..Sentences end with a period, not a comma)
Your post is so uninformed that that I won’t bother to compose a completely new response. Instead, I’ll just quote myself from another post to another uninformed contributor.
“What is the standard respect level for the wives of the president and vice president? Is it written down somewhere? Is it taught in schools? I don’t think so. You know why? Because as Americans, we have a constitutionally protected right to boo the sh!t out of the wives of the president and vice president if we feel like it, and out of their husbands too, and out of anyone we please, for any bleepin’ reason. God bless America.” FYI, the soldiers were raucously cheered.
Obviously, you’re not an American, because if you were an American, you’d already know about Free Speech. Anna, as a foreigner, you have my pity.
In all fairness the nascar fans just thought she was some black women that showed up in the wrong place
Any sport that grew out of moonshine running will attract a few cross burners. The actions of the few should not reflect on the many, unless the many cheer the few.
Its sad really if it was done for racial reasons but if it was just an expression of overzealous stupidity then perhaps it is tolerable.
I'm not saying all are racist; however, you can't say that alot of them are not. It has nothing to do with the support, just the areas of its popularity. You can say that it is a minority nationwide, only in fringe rural areas, but what exactly does that rural area comprise of this country? 70% of its land mass? You see my point? 30% of America is tolerant.
@Jay – So, you don't believe that other countries that have socialized medicine are ahead of us in longevity, don't have citizens that go bankrupt due to medical expenses, and that healthcare expenses are not dragging down their budgets? And, yes, I am an Independent..are you also under the belief that all Independents are right leaning?? I also find it amusing that you didn't respond to the what I actually said about the US slipping into 3rd world status.
I am glad you are easily amused. That will carry you far in life. The US's debt is 3rd world, not our medical system (unless Obama gets his way, then it will be, too).
I'm amused, because the one place in America where we really do enjoy the closest thing to socialized medicine is at the end of life, with the government run Medicare program. So, how come we have this wonderful government run program, and still have lower life expectancies than other countries? Quite honestly, using YOUR rationale for what makes a great health care system, shouldn't we be running grandma and granpa away from Medicare? I mean, it's obvious it is not doing its job.
Of course, your example is a non sequitur, and my response above is tongue-in-cheek.
There are contributing factors to lower life expectancies than other countries that makes it an imperfect yardstick. Sometimes it is due to just the way the statistic is counted. In much of Europe, for example, some infant deaths are not counted in their mortality numbers that go into life expectancy, thus increasing their average. We lose more young men to violent crime than many other Western countries, thus driving our average down. Auto accidents drive our rates down. It's a nice talking point, but, it's just one of many measures to use when discussing what makes an exceptional health care system.
You might read this treatise (http://www.city-journal.org/html/17_3_canadian_healthcare.html) on privatization efforts in Britain, Canada, Sweden to address issues with their socialized systems, or, you might consider studies that Americans who are not killed in accidents or murdered live longer than people in other Western nation. Or, you might consider that our statistics include American Indians, who in some cases have life expectancies as low as 58 years (yet have access to the socialized Indian Health Service).
Yes, healthcare is expensive in this country. We spend more on it than any other nation in the world. Yet fully one half (Medicare, Medicaid, and state-sun programs) of it already is government run or managed, and your solution is to take that half, and make it a whole? The inability to see the problem as already TOO MUCH government involvement in the system boggles me, but, I realize there isa portion of the populace who sees the government as all-knowing, and the source of all the answers.
I reject that, FLIndependent, and I didn't say all indepedents were right-leaning, I said YOU were left leaning.
Excuse me, but I lived in Canada as an ex-pat and "socialized" medicine aka universal health care DOES work. My family was paying $180 a month for health care. In the United States, we are paying twice that for four people. Granted, the health care did not cover dental and vision but it was a lot better than not having care when I needed to have surgery. As for wait times, I could not give a good one to one comparison to the United States because I lived on an island and therefore services were geographically limited. Morbidity and mortality rates are lower in Canada because of universal health care. An example is that Canada has less premature births than the United States.http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db23.htm
Dear FLIndependent –
I am happy to debate you on healthcare anytime, but that's far afield on this topic.
I disagree with your characterization of my presentment of facts as diatribe. Going to be very hard to have an honest discussion when you take that approach.
Where I will agree with you (and I did agree already) is that our system is too expensive. Broken? That's subjective. I'd still say it is the best in the world. Does it need fixes? Absolutely. Is Obamacare the prescription. Absolutely not. I also don't understand why you insist on the constant denigration of Republicans (and me) as not interested in the people's interest. We happen to think that a market based solution is more fair, economical, and ultimately will provide better outcomes than either a state-run, or (gasp!) the insurance-run situation we have today. I find it incredible that most on the Left hate the insurers who largely run the system as is, but their solution is to replace the multiple insurers (where at least there's a competitive pressure) with a single insurer (Uncle Sam) who makes rules based on 1)who provides them campaign cash and 2)how many votes they can buy.
That's a system you want to live with?
I'm happy to continue to discuss this issue, but this isn't really the place. I have posted on health care many times, so feel free to take it here, http://sleepyeyedwhiners.blogspot.com/2009/09/lies-distortions-and-misrepresentations.html, or choose a more health-care related post.
Jay, you questioned my Independent status so I clarified that, yes, I am left leaning but also vote for the best person, not the party. By questioning my affiliation you implied that because I'm an Independent I should adhere to right wing policies. Also, thank you for the long diatribe on our healthcare system but you did not dispute the fact that our system is very broken and needs to be repaired and, at least, President Obama tried to do something about it. The Affordable Healthcare Act can always be modified and improved and should NOT be repealed as this will hurt many that are now benefiiting from some of the laws that are now in place. You need to look at the reality of what's happened in the country and also realize that everyone is paying for those that do not have insurance – that is why the Repubs in the past agreed that there needs to be a mandate that everyone has insurance but because It is Obama that enacted that, now it's no good!! The Repubs are not working for our best interests and, for the life of me, can't understand why people like you are so blind to the fact.
Thanks for the post, but you obviously did not link to the article written by a Canadian doctor who has authored several books on the subject of the Canadian healthcare system.
I am glad it worked for your time as an expat in Canada. Socialized medicine does work for many people, and works well, but I suggest you expand your horizons from personal experience and read some of the writings of people who have been deeply involved in systems such as Canada's and the NHS. You'll find that these systems do some things well, and do others unconscionably poorly. It's because the things they do poorly, they do so poorly, that they should not be adopted.
Your experience, and sharing of it, is appreciated, but it is anecdotal.
Dear Jay, apparently you are basing your opinions on a Canadian Doctor but noy on Canadian patients who more closely resemble what American patients go through every day. who is more credible? It looks like your arguments are anectodal to me.
What did you expect from a bunch of racist tootless inbreds....their still crying about gettin their arses wooped in the civil war...the south shall rize agane...yeehaaaaa..come on maaaw, lets go have sex
joe d, you really should not have sex with your maaaw
Too bad their mama's didn't teach them respect, or is respect no longer a conservative family value.
I don't mind perpetuating the stereotype of a "toothless inbred hillbilly" as long as it keeps you pantywaste liberal yankees out. When the sht hits the fan, you'll all die out anyway cause there will be no starbucks and you can't stand guns.
They were not booing, they were yelling boo-ty boo-ty when they saw all that junk in the trunk.
How in the world Mrs.Obama was able to stand the smell all those wet dogs at Nascar is amazing. It's a redneck sport for a bovine race of people.
Marc, you're just pissed because Michelle Obama was treated like a cow, instead of a sacred cow.
@FLIndependent; thank you for your comments. @joe d; I think you hit the nail on the head...LOL! You go! That's the bottomline or the root of the mindsets of FOLKS like old Bubba J and his brother Junior Jr. Bubba visits with us on the Comedy Station with Jeff Dunham all the time. Oh yeah; Bubba loves his 'TRAYLOR', 'NASSCAWR' and 'BURR'! LOL! He told us he met his 'WIEF' at the State 'Fayre' at the family reunion! LOL! He talks to us about Nasscawr, his wief, and burr all the time! LOL! Yep that's them!
I have to dispute that our beloved America was built on the free labor of African slaves.
Since slaves made up a relatively small portion of the population, and none in the free Northern states, how do you explain the success of those states?
You paint a picture where every white family in America owned a slave, and apparently, was waiting at Ellis Island to buy one (even though the slave trade was illegal in New York by 1788). The truth is that by 1860, only about 5% of wealthy Southern landowners owned slaves, and of course, all the Northern states had abolished slavery.
Finally, your European ancestors did not have to come to America to purchase a slave. The slave trade was alive and well in much of Europe, particularly Spain and Portugal, while Britain took until 1833 to outlaw slavery entirely.
Of course, this doesn't even touch the fact that someone had to sell those slaves in the first place, and that dubious distinction usually fell to blacks themselves in Africa, where tribal wars often led to the capture of opponents and their subsequent dispersion into the slave trade.
I don't want to minimize the shame that this country should have for our participation in the slave trade, but, we were by no means doing anything much different than was the accepted norm for the times. Clearly a sorry chapter for the country, but, the country was only partially built on slave labor.
I don't know where you get your info but Mrs Biden has always worked, even today. It is admirable they spend their time time volunteering on military causes unlike you who spends time criticizing without doing anything for them. Why don't you do something productive and help our military who have done so much for our country?
RESPECT is not deserved..It is EARNED....
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Look how these americans greet their own first lady hahahaha. Are they doing that because they believe she is an illegal alien that tries to take over the US in the name of black muslims so she could establish a communist-fascist dictator regime? Or are they doing this because they believe she is supporting international terrorism trying to destroy democracy in every country so she could steal all the money the world has to offer? No, the reason is because she is black and because president Obama is black. They would have shown respect if the first lady and the president where white.