Washington (CNN) - An extraordinary House committee hearing began considering a contempt measure against Attorney General Eric Holder on Wednesday even though President Barack Obama asserted executive privilege over documents sought by the panel investigating the botched Fast and Furious gun-running sting.
Committee chairman Rep. Darrell Issa, R-California, said the White House assertion of executive privilege "falls short" of any reason to delay the hearing.
However, the committee's top Democrat, Rep. Elijah Cummings of Maryland, accused Issa of setting an "impossible standard" for Holder by demanding documents the attorney general was legally prohibited from providing.
Issa has "no interest in resolving" the dispute with Holder, Cummings said.
Wednesday's development further heightened the drama of a high-profile showdown between Issa and Holder over the committee's demand for the Department of Justice to turn over more documents about the Fast and Furious program.
The White House move means the Department of Justice can withhold the documents from the House Oversight Committee, which was scheduled to consider a contempt measure Wednesday against Holder.
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I like how CNN is not showing this article on their frontpage.
Clear protection of Obama and his coverup of Fast and Furious.
Worse than Bush!
Obama the senator meet Obama the president.., not at all what you said you would be..
Obama and Holder should both be convicted as accessories to the murder of Brian Terry, and the 300 + innocent Mexicans, who were slaughtered as a result of Fast and Furious. Now, Obama is using his position to cover up his guilt.
NOBODY is above the law. Obama and Holder should both be thrown in prison !!!
What!?..., but, but, Ruben say Obama repects latinos and would NEVER be an accessory to violence against them or withhold evidence to support such a dasterly thing. Right Ruben??
THESE TWO ARE GOING TO GO TO JAIL..ROMNEY WILL UNSEAL THESE PAPERS AND THEN WE WILL KNOW THE TRUTH..THEN THEY WILL GO WHERE THEY BELONG IN JAIL..
I WOULD BE YOU WOULD SOONER END UP GETTING DEPORTED BY ROMNEY THAN ANYONE GOING TO JAIL OVER THIS. GET REAL.
obama if reelected (and a small chance of that) would not complete the second term...as would have been the case with JFK due to his personality disorder. One of the problems we have today in politics is these scum bags cover for each other...as they alllowed clinton to remain in office...I hope we have learned our lesson and demand moral leadership...if you lie and get caught (like Nixon) you are out....and remember Nixon was reelected by the biggest land slide in history...but back then it did not save him. I sense the media begining to turn on obama as they have in the past with other presidents (LBJ for one) and its going to get nasty.
Oh come now, is there any president who hasn't pulled the EP card? This is why Nixon once said "it';s not a crime when the president does it", because the POTUS is in practice somewhere between a president and a king. Governors are the same way. Ever wonder why these are the only people in our country who can pardon a crminal, even one on death row, with no obligation to explain anything? Why give a power that clearly implies one is above the law? This can and does breed a dangerous arrogance. The founding fathers screwed this one up.
Name ONE that pulled it related to people being dead. If a regular citizen gave a gun to a suspected criminal they would get 30 years for it (if people didn't die as a result of it).
Get Hussein Obama's crackberry records.
Forget that, let's fly drones over them. If it's good enough for the people, it's good enough for them.
Sounds good to me, let's do it.
We already have people on this site switching the blame from Bush to Romney. Isn't that right Malory Archer?
Under President Ronald Reagan America not only increased its involvement in the Middle East by supplying arms to both Iraq and Iran in their war against each other, but America stepped up its involvement in conflicts around the world, especially South America.In 1998 the CIA finally admitted to its involvement in drug trafficking in the United States after years of federal investigation by the Kerry Congressional Committee. What the CIA admitted to was allowing cocaine trafficking to take place by Contras who were being supported by the CIA, using facilities and resources supplied by the US government, and preventing investigation into these activities by other agencies. This was done because funds for the support of militant groups in South America had been withdrawn by Congress so the CIA allowed the Contras to engage in the drug trade in the United States in order to make money to fund their military operations. If you are wondering why this was not covered more widely in the news during the Clinton Administration it may be because Arkansas was one of the major trafficking centers for the operations
Oh I see- and Bush and Cheney should not be held in comtempt for WMD and that mess in IRAQ that we have had to clean up? I think Obama should use EP as much and as many times as is neccessary to STAVE off these Rabid GOP idiots in CONGRESS. Sick of their hypocrisy. SICK OF IT SICK OF IT SICK OF IT- and also DISCLOSE all this GOP PAC money that Carl F'ing Rove is collecting. Let our people be free. GO OBAMA!!! GET TOUGH with these teabaggers!
What about all that transparency we were promised? Obama was going to be the most open President in history, right? Now he just lies, finger points and does cover ups?
Mr. O said ....
2008: “Let me say as simply as I can, transparency and the rule of law will be the touchstones of this presidency. I will also hold myself as president to a new standard of openness…But the mere fact that you have the legal power to keep something secret does not mean you should always use it.”
From a 2009 memo: “The government should not keep information confidential merely because public officials might be embarrassed by disclosure. because errors or failures might be revealed or because of speculative or abstract fears.”
2011: “There may be a situation here in which a serious mistake was made and if that’s the case we will find out and hold someone accountable,” Obama said about Fast and Furious.
What does he do if the accountable person is Mr. Bush?
Its all President Bushes fault...hahaha moron!
Blaming Bush onlt ticks people off now. People are opening their eyes.
Silly boys and girls, don't you realize that Emperors and Dicktators aren't bound by rules of democracy? (And yes, I do know how to spell)
How many liberals/independents are out there who voted for Obuma before, but don't plan to this time around? It's ok, you can speak freely, we won't judge, although, you may end up on CNN's "Watch List".
The President has every right to use executive privilege. I would say stand pat to the president, don't endanger lives just for some moronic congressman who shouldn't be wasting our time on this nonsense, when he and the rest of congress should be working on jobs
Lives were not only put in danger but a life was lost in a direct relation to Holders and possibly Hissein Obama's actions.
Prosecute all the way.
He's already endangered lives...two U.S. Border Patrol and dozens of Mexicans have been killed because of this. Holder needs to be removed from office at the very least...Obama, too.
Jean ... maybe if YOUR son had been murdered by the guns sold to the cartels, you would be more interested in getting justice, than in protecting Obama and Holder, just because they happen to be African Americans ... but, then on the other hand, you are so brainwashed, you'd probably still defend these two traitors.
A congressional subpeona is only valid if the president was "personally involved in making decisions regarding the case".
It is very possible the gun in question was one of the 650 that was walked across the border in 2007.
just remember Nixon lost his presidency after the biggest reelection win in history...because he lied. Could be obama and mob did too...dont you want to find out?
CNN obviously doesn't want to know..,
Yes Jean it is likely–or not really. If that was the case, why in the world would he be withholding records, especially this late in the game? He had Holder reviewing this for months to determine if it was going to expose him, and NOW that he knows it will, he is pulling this card?
On a separate note, I believe the administration is using this as a distraction from the real issues (as you have pointed out) to turn focus from his other records as pres. It'll drag out for a couple weeks (month), the administration will lead the Holder Lamb to slaughter as a scapegoat, provide a relatively plausible explination for the fiasco that will pacify the generally uninformed and they have bought 30 days of misdirected focus. Don't know if it happened from convenience or by design, but you can "never let a good crisis go to waste."
And just remember Bush's A.G. Roberto Gonzales resigned; but yet he defended Eric Holder in his Dec. 14, 2011 FOX News interview with Megyn Kelly...the video for that interview can still be watched online.
And yes...Operation Gunwalker and Fast & Furious were the same operation just different administrations.
Seems the GOP wants everyone to develop amnesia...so they can have a do-over.
First–wide receiver and F&F were not the same–they were similar (and F&F may be the b@st@rdized son of wide reciever) but the differences are comperable to hitting a jaywalker at night vs.hitting someone while you are drinking and driving–look up the specifics in the difference between the programs.
Second–if we accept your premise that they are the same program: you all HATED every Bush policy, but now defend one that this administration's botching of it? A few hundred guns under Bush, with a handful "lost" vs. over 2000 with F&F with more than 1400 unaccounted for...If this was such a great program, then give Bush credit for it, if it was such a terrible program, then why did this administration not only maintain it, but expand it?
Last–If you are going to blame Bush for a failed program that Obama–3 years later–had continued, then where is the admiration for Bush's program of searching for bin Laden that just happened to conclude under Obama? The specifc Pakistani intelligence gathering for OBL had been started during Bush's term. So "Thank you President Bush for enacting the intelligence gathering that eventually brought an end to OBL." Or is that too tough of a pill to swallow?
Now THAT, jean, is how HYPOCRACY is defined.
WHAT A WASTE OF TAX PAYER MONEY. THE CONTEMPTIBLE CONGRESS IS AT IT AGAIN, WITH THE REPUBLITARDS TRYING TO BRING DOWN OBAMA BY LYNCHING HOLDER BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEY CAN'T BEAT HIM IN AN ELECTION. THIS THING IS GOING TO BLOW OVER IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS EFFECTIVELY WASTING EVERYONE'S TIME.
Thats what you would tell the family of Brian Terry? Move on with your life, nothing to see here? You Obamunists will support Obama no matter what apparently. People died here. I know you care less about the Mexicans who died with these guns. It appears you also don't care that an American died.
You do not have a clue of the involvement of Obama and this administration. Obviously it is much bigger than what Holder and Obama would have had us think it was. And it is bigger than Watergate. Nobody died at Watergate.
What's your favorite line, "HAHAHAHAHA?"
It's not the Republicans hanging Holder out to dry, it the Adminstration who will use him as the fall guy for the fiasco to shield Obama from the heat. It's the administration using this as a diversion from all the other issues that will prevent reelection.
My least favorite line about F+F is "United States Border Patrol Shot, Killed Near U.S. Mexico Border".
Will Congressman Issa ask former AG Alberto Gonzales what he knew about ATF Operation Gunwalker...or would he rather the GOP teapotty be allowed to indulge in collective amnesia?
Jean, Gonzalez resigned. Holder should do the same. People actually died here Jean and you libs want it covered up (as Obama and Holder have tried to do for the last year). The cat is out of the bag and the American people are waking up.
It is comical that the "main stream media" hasn't talked about this issue until now. It is also comical how the "no stream media i.e. MSDNC" is trying to blame Bush and the repubs.
THIS IS NOT ABOUT A DEAD PATROL AGENT WHICH I WOULD BET MANY REPUBLITARDS CAN'T EVEN NAME. THIS IS POLITICS PLAIN AND SIMPLE. BRIAN TERRY DESERVES BETTER THAN BEING USED AS A TOOL FOR THE REPUBLITARD'S VENDETTA ON OBAMA. IT IS BEYOND TRAGIC.
The repubs and the family of the killed agent have been waiting for a year for Holder and this administration to provide information about why this was done, who ordered it done and who approved it.
You libs would love it to be swept under the rug, but people died – and ignorant libs like you want it to just go away.
A YEAR OF POLITICAL GRANDSTANDING, MEANINGLESS CONGRESSIONAL HEARINGS, AND WHAT DO WE GET? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. THANKS REPUBLITARDS, THANKS FOR WASTING OUR TIME AND MONEY.
And you're a waste of air, food and water!
SAYS THE CLOWN WITH THE WORD 'KOOL-AID' IN HIS HANDLE. REAL CONVINCING.
The real scandle here is the reason behind this gun running of obama and holder...it was political activism and hundreds of people lost their lives because of it...a comunity organizer and civil rights attorney administration...we got what we bought here...now we need to take out the garbage, and we will in November!
YOU MEAN THAT POLITICAL ACTIVIST GEORGE DUBYA BUSH? THAT'S WHEN THIS WHOLE GUNWALKING STARTED OR ARE YOU SIMPLY CLUELESS LIKE ALWAYS?
OF COURSE, GUNWALKING HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS POLITICAL STUNT. THEY COULD CARE LESS ABOUT THE DEAD BORDER PATROL AGENTS. THE REPUBLITARDS JUST WANT TO SMEAR OBAMA AND PEOPLE LIKE JERRY COULD CARE LESS ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE.
it was obamas administration who turned this gun walking thing into an unsupervised mess...they did not follow the guns...since they let some 2,000 of them walk...another obama administration inept event.
LET"S CALL IN HOW MANY GUNS WALKED DURING THE BUSH YEARS. WHO HAS THOSE DOCUMENTS? WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE THERE? WHAT A BUNCH OF HYPOCRITES. YOU GOT NOTHING ON HOLDER AND YOU NEVER WILL. THE REPUBLITARDS WILL CAVE BECAUSE THEY GOT NOTHING BUT USELESS OUTRAGE.
Americans died because of this. Obama and Holder are supposed to be in charge. They are responsible.
I know you libs think Obama isn't responsible for anything bad, but he is obviously responsible for this – and they made fools out of people like you who trust them and their "transparency"...
YEAH OK. SO HOW MANY AMERICAN DIED BECAUSE OF BUSH? WHEN IS HE GOING TO JAIL? LET'S NOT EVEN GET INTO THE FACT THAT CONGRESS HAS NOTHING ON HOLDER AND OBAMA. YOU REPUBLITARDS ARE BEYOND DELUSIONAL.
First of all DEcember, it is obvious that you are a tried and true liberal, just by your putting everything in caps. This is a classic ploy of liberals, in that they believe that "he who is loudest, is rightest". As far as Dubya, the president cannot send our troops into battle without the approval of congress. A lot of Democrats, including I believe Pelosi, voted to send our troops over there. The difference is, when war gets tough, as it inevitably does, the spineless democrats start abandoning ship, and conveniently forgetting their own contributions. Dubya is gone, and has been for 31/2 years. Did your boy pull us out as he promised? NO. He ordered the surge, a move that I actually agreed with, even he was going back on his promise. Did he close Guantanamo? NO. He realized that it was a needed commodity, as disgusting as it may seem. Did he come through on that promise of transparency? NO. He has created more czars than any previous president. He has repeatedly refused to cooperate with congressional investigators. He has authorized the military to use drones to spy on YOU. What if Bush had done that? There would have been open revolt, but because he is Obama, you seem to be just fine with that. He has done nothing for three years except blame Bush for his own shortcomings. But as long as he keeps pandering to your particular special interests with you. Tell me, what is he buying your loyalty with? Welfare. Gay rights?
Throbbing member. Are you talking about sending Americans to war that was voted on by congress, both dems and repubs.
This is why people think what they think of you libs. You think an act of congress under Bush is the same as skirting the law by Obama. It is like Obama thinking that governmnet jobs are the same as private sector jobs.
The whole country is beginning to see what libs are all about.
APPROVED BY CONGRESS BASED ON A LIE? THEN HAS THE GALL TO SAY 'MISSION ACCOMPLISHED?'
OH YEAH, COMPARED TO ANYONE ELSE IN PRESIDENTIAL HISTORY, LET ALONE OBAMA, HE NEEDS TO GO TO SUPERMAX. BETTER YET, DEPORT HIM TO MEXICO. HE MIGHT ACTUALLY LIKE THAT.
Don't forget it Bush started Fast and Furious another disaster Obama inherited.
Actually, that is what Obama and Holder said at the beginning of this mess. Since then they have "walked back" and admitted they mis-spoke when they tried to blame Bush.
Blaming Bush is really starting to tick people off. The cluless administration needs to take responsibility for what they have done here. They are not above the law (as much as you libs think you are)...
IT ONLY HURTS BECAUSE IT IS TRUE. GUNWALKING STARTED WITH BUSH. STOP TRYING TO DENY IT.
They've all done it so big deal. It's politics with the exception of Nixon who was a crook. What I find ironic is that Issa chairs the committee and yet he stole cars as a youth. I guess crime does pay. Steal cars and end up in Congress. If Holder is guilty then he just needs to follow Issa's lead. Do wrong and you get elected to Congress and then head up investigative committiee's.
He Deb, so anyone who makes a mistake in their youth is automatically eliminated from public service? So the fact that your Democratic president Clinton smoked dope should have eliminated him, not to mention the Monica thing. And I bet Obuma doesn't have a spotless record either. You liberal Obamites are resorting to the oldest political trick in history. If you can't run on your record, (and he can't) then you simply attack your opposition. The scary part is that all you liberals are perfectly content to let Obama step all over the constitution, as long as he is pandering to the appropriate groups. I suspect that all of the people defending this idiot are beneficiaries of one of his entitlement programs. Otherwise known as TAKERS.
Clinton claimed Exec Priv 41 times, no one else is even close.
It is about time someone put their foot on holder...he has a record of slimy activist games...including letting terrorist out of jail in the clinton era and lying about his knowledge and involvement... He is dirty and he fits into the obama style of doing things...dirt follows dirt.
SUCK IT REPUBLITARDS. I GOT A BIG ONE TOO! – ERIC HOLDER
That what you tell the family of the agent who died? Suck it up? You are a complete moron. But, as a lib, you are "average".
YOU REALLY THINK THIS IS ABOUT THAT AGENT? YOU ARE DELUSIONAL! THIS IS A POLITICAL GAME PLAIN AND SIMPLE. I WOULD BET YOU THE REPUBLITARDS DON'T EVEN KNOW HIS NAME ANYMORE.
Aw man! They are making another one of those "Fast and the Furious" movies?!?
According to liberal news sources this story is fading away. Wow!!! Now they want to drag Nixon back for an article. How cool is that?
Right, Maddow was blaming the repubs last night. It is difficult for these news networks to tell this story now because they have ignored it for a year.
The people playing politics here are the dems who want to sweep this under the rug. Americans have a right to know what really happened and who, other than Obama and Holder, are responsible.
Yes, Bush used "exec priv"; but it was over federal judges being fired. In Obama/Holder, people have been killed and the US government is IMPLICATED................BIG DIFFERENCE. So much for "transparency. If these two aren't at fault, then releasing the documents will prove their innocence.
OBama & Holder have stated they were just continuing Bushs policy....well then release the documents, and OBama can blame Bush for the umpteenth time.
Bush fired several Dem lawyers from the Justice Dept. when he took office and the dems went crazy so he used Ex Priv. Clinton fired EVERY REPUB LAWYER when he took office – guess what, the repubs didn't make an issue out of it and most of the same dems didn't have a problem with it? Funny how that works...
i would suggest reading the full article....then quit living in the world of myth you like to hang out in.
Jean, you seem to want to take Holder at his word. He has already been caught in "non-truths" related to this issue.
When Bush used "exec priviledge", Obama the senator, said "that's an affront to congresses right to have the necessary information and the president should quit stalling and come clean and not invoke exec priv". (this is not quite verbatim, sematically correct)
If someone still thinks Obama & Holder walk on water, then they too should read the Constitution...
Fast and Felonious is transparency at its finest. Somewhere in Kenya there is a village missing its idiot.
About a week ago I would have called you out for this type of post. Now, after the "illegal decision" by Obama – I totally agree... After his first year in office, I did not support him, but I gave him the benefit of the doubt. Now, given how he is runing this country by ignoring rules of law, it is no holds barred. For the first time in my life I will take to the streets and work against a candidate.
So what's new John...isn't that what you have been doing for months?
At times I have noted when Obama has done presidential things like visit vets. I won't be fooled again. Everything Obama does is political and for Obama. He could not care less about the country he is supposed to be leading. He even threw his wife under the bus to get a laugh.
His recent action here tells me he was involved. He would not do this just to protect Holder – given that he throws everyone under the bus to try make himself look good. He is without a doubt the worst president this country has even seen.
Another mess started by the GOP/Bush clan that Obama has to clean up.
Stop listening to the lies – or at least catch up. Obama and Holder said Bush started F+F initially, but they have since admitted they "mis-spoke and were mistaken" and they own it.
It shouldn't surprise you that they blame Bush – it is what Obama does best...
Drink water rather than kool-aid mike, you're completely deluded.
Not one comment considered national security or undercover agents for the reason for the executive privilege
What? This order was most likely to protect Holder (at least) and maybe Obama. We do not know because this administration first said they didn't know anything, then they send a memo saying they were not involved, then they retracted that memo, then they said there was nothing to see, now we get this "executive order" and they still have not released pertinent documents. Anyone could provide thousands of pages of stuff that is not pertinent and hold back documents that will show who knew what, when then say "I gave you thousands of documents". There are an estimated 140,000 pages that did not get turned over.
Given the trail of the coverup, anyone would think they are hiding something.
its really funny how some of these left wing nut cases are trying to blame this one on President Bush. When all you need to do is read a little to understand obama and obama appointees let this thing go off the cliff and are now are desperately trying to hide their ineptness....good luck obama, your ineptness is impossible to hide domestically/legally and in foreign policy. We have a lame duck presidency now and we would have the same if obama by some real stroke of luck were releected...so the obvious solution is clean house and elect a real adult with a real resume'.
This is exactly why I watch MSDNC. Nobody makes me laugh like Schultz, maddow, Sharpton and the gang. Maddow was classic last night. These moon bats don't have a clue at this point. The anointed one has failed them.
It's better than the comedy channel. Sad thing is though that most lefties believe 100% what this trash network spews out.
What Obama has learned is that it is real easy to sit on the outside, fat, happy, and ignorant, (emphasis on the ignorant) and make accusations and promises, but it is a whole world different when you are the one on the hot-seat. He got elected by an electorate of liberal dreamers, and was wholly un-prepared for the job, and his performance has shown it. He wanted the position solely for the right to be the "first black president", and to feed his tremendous ego, and the media, and a lot of young voters, and older confused voters got caught up in the fervor to be "the generation that elected the first black president" made it happen. Now, he feels like he is untouchable, and should this country be stupid enough to re-elect him, his ego and boldness will know no bounds. I predict that within 60 days of his being re-elected (God forbid) the stock market will crash, as the money people of this country throw up their hands in disgust and pull out en masse.
SO WHEN IS THE NEXT CONGRESSIONAL HEARING ABOUT MEANINGLESS STUFF? HOW ABOUT THE CORRUPTION ON BOXING! IT IS STARTING TO RIVAL THE CORRUPTION IN CONGRESS! IT MUST BE STOPPED!!!!
DEcember 2012, I agree that congress has no business wasting time on that issue, or Roger Clemens, or any other sports related issue, but there is no comparison between them, and the investigation(s) into the abuses of power being carried out by Obuma. Yes, It is a very serious issue when the president covers up his and his cronies in an investigation involving multiple murders, or bypasses the legislative process to impose his own brand of law, or leaks National Security secrets just to inflate his own image. As far as corrupt congressman and congresswomen, neither party has a patent on that. The best policy is to vote all of the old guard out, and keep a high turnover rate so that they do not have time to build fiefdoms.
you make sense...thanks for the posts. I hope we have come to the end of the line with the current politics of division in this country...obama brought the awareness of these politics to new prominence. We need to demand more of our representation and yes, it is time to get rid of the career politicians. We need REAL American citizens, with American brains representing real Americans.
You ought to be dancing in the streets if you think this is a waste of congressional effort and will come up empty. Then it is only serving as a distraction from the real issues that Obama has muffed.
WHAT ABUSES OF POWER? DO YOU HONESTLY BELIEVE THIS IS AN AGENDA OF OBAMA? GUNWALKING? REALLY? ARE YOU HIGH????
THIS PROGRAM WAS STARTED BY BUSH AND STOPPED BY HOLDER. WHAT IS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND HERE? THERE REALLY IS NOTHING MORE TO SAY HERE BECAUSE THE MORE THE REPUBLITARDS GO ON WITH THIS, THE MORE THEY WILL GET IMPLICATED.
Holder probably has enough on Obama as leverage to make him do this. Holder doesn't want to be the fall guy.
OOOOH, DID YOU COME UP WITH THAT ON YOUR OWN OR DID RUSH LIMBAUGH THINK IT FOR YOU?
As a devoted environmentalist, I weep for the wasted bounty of our beautiful Mother Earth.
In particular; the wasted resources that give you sustenance, as well as the air wasted when you breathe.
Good day, sir.
To cut through the lies about F&F being "Bush's program";
"actually Operation Wide Receiver was shut down right after guns were lost track of in 2007. It was investigated, documents were publicly released and that was the end of gun walking programs. It was an acknowledged failure and was stopped by the admin due to losing guns. Mexican authorities were also involved and aware of the program and the guns."
The two programs are similar, but completely separate. This one is all on Obama & Co.