A television ad by Priorities USA Action, the main super PAC backing President Obama, linking Mitt Romney to a woman's death continues to dog the Obama campaign.
For the third day in a row, reporters peppered the White House and Obama campaign about the new ad, which CNN fact-checked Tuesday and found to be inaccurate.
The ad features Joe Soptic, a steelworker who was laid off from his job at a Kansas City, Missouri steel plant in 2001 after the plant was taken over and eventually shut down by Bain Capital, Romney's former company.
The campaign has not endorsed the claims in the ad, but it also has not denounced the impression the ad gives, that if Soptic had not been laid off by Bain Capital perhaps his wife might not have died from cancer.
"We had nothing to do with the ad," Obama campaign spokeswoman Jen Psaki said Thursday. "We can't speak to what they were trying to convey by the ad or communicate."
But Psaki did not repeat the claim she made Wednesday that members of the campaign "don’t have any knowledge of the story of the family," after it came to light that Soptic appeared on an Obama campaign conference call in May, detailing the very story he recounts in the ad. That call was hosted by deputy campaign manager Stephanie Cutter.
On Wednesday morning Cutter told CNN's John Berman, "I don't know the facts about when Mr. Soptic's wife got sick or the facts about his health insurance."
Soptic also appeared in an ad produced by the Obama campaign around the time of the conference call. He told CNN the campaign has asked him to attend campaign-sponsored events in support of President Obama – who he voted for in 2008 and says he will support again in November – but he has been unable to comply because of a family illness.
"No one is denying that he was in a campaign - one of our campaign ads," Psaki told reporters Thursday. "He was on a conference call telling his story, which speaks to what many, many people in this country have gone through as there have been layoffs and they've had their benefits reduced."
The Obama campaign is not responsible for the ad since campaigns, which are subject to strict disclosure guidelines under campaign finance laws, are prohibited from coordinating with super PACs, which can collect money with much less transparency. But the Romney campaign is trying to hold Obama's campaign accountable.
“The Obama campaign acknowledged today that it ran a television ad and hosted a conference call that promoted the same despicable attack that was used in a discredited ad run by President Obama’s Super PAC," Romney campaign spokesman Ryan Williams said in a statement. "The Obama campaign has now admitted that it lied to the media and the American people in a disgraceful attempt to conceal their connection to this shameful smear. Americans deserve better – they deserve a president who’s willing to run an honest campaign and be honest about his own record. Clearly, President Obama is not that person."
While the ad has received a tremendous amount of media attention it has yet to air as part of a $20 million ad buy in battleground states by Priorities USA Action. Bill Burton, founder of the super PAC and a former Obama White House aide, told CNN Thursday the plan is still for the spot to air, but would not give particulars on where and when.
What kind of a man uses his dead wife for political gain? And what kind of administration would LET him? Birds of a feather...
This man is not running for office., so no political gain for him. These are merely his opinions or feelings. Had it not been the greediness of Bain things could have been different. She might have got it earlier, and therefore treatable.
Fact: GT Steel shut down all but one furnace area when Bain invested in them and was down to less hen 450 employees from a high of over 1000. Chinese steel mills dumped steel products in the US in 1999 undercutting US producers and put GT out of business after Bain had tried to keep them open for 3 plus years. Romney left Bain in 1999 on a 2 year paid sabatical to run a non profit, Salt Lake City Olympics. Soptic lost his job, but his wife had a job with healthcare benefits into about 2004. Mrs. Soptic was injured and lost that job. By then Mr. Soptic had a janitorial job but said he could not afford to include his wife on the benefit plan. She was diagnosed with cancer and died 22 days later, his words. Do the math, by now it is 2006. IN CAPS SO YOU CAN READ IT ROMNEY WAS GONE FROM BAIN FOR NEARLY 8 YEARS BEFORE MRS. SOPTIC WAS DIAGNOSED WITH CANCER AND DIED. This entire ad is an Obama PAC lie. The facts are plan and simple and dated. I don't care what Mr. Soptic feels, he should still tell the truth and you sir are dead wrong for believing in the lies.
This guy mad the big bucks from the obama front to sit there and tell a sad story to blame Mitt for his wife's death and the obama campain thought they struck gold. But the fan turn the manure into their faces and all they can say is I don't know anything and it was not us who put this stupid ad out. This one is the bottom of the pit when it comes having no truth or bearing on Mitt. What a low life this liberal campain for potus has become for the liberals.
Oh yes Iamnotfooled, except for the fact that her primary insurance was from her own job, which she continued to hold for years later. He is not just sharing his feelings, he is either exaggerating his story or letting the pac distort his story without speaking up. How about instead of pointing fingers for his wife's unfortunate passing, hoe about trying to find acceptance and inner peace with a sickness that is like that, surprising and unfortunate? Romney did not give this man's wife cancer. And if she died so soon after what stops us from speculating that even with care she still would have died? It's a story with no fact, just wild speculation, which is pathetic.
OH and Obama needs to distance himself from this ad, or he makes himself an accomplice by not disowning it.
You are a moron.....blind faith in Barry....unbelievable.
lamnnotfollwed – you name is opposite of what you are. ....... all the statements given by Soptic are false, Wife had insurance from another company and was laid off by them, Soptic had refused insurance from his employer after the steel company, Romney was gone for years when Soptic was laid off, the commercial was actually produced from payments of the Bain Excutive that did lay Soptic off. Also there is collusion with the Obama Admin and this commercial and Obama commerciail shared the same studio, camera's, production resources, this collussion is illegal.
The real point is...and you know this so that makes YOU a liar...is that Romney wasn't with them at this time...years apart...and more importantly...the woman wasn't with this company...and her medical insurance wasn't with this company...she worked for somebody else and had her own medical insurance. But you know this and you don't mind lying. Why don't you mind lying? Well, a recent poll showed that Democrats were more likely to support lying during an election. So you like lying because you're a democrat. You support lies. I don't. That's the true difference. And even if you'll never admit it...liars never do...you know it and I know it and we all know it.
O BA MA
OOOO BAAA MAAA
I am sold,,,
Obama has the answer!
You go OBAMA!!!!
YOU JUST GO AWAY!
I hope the Federal Elections looks at this seriously. Cutter said they new nothing of the details of this man, yet the tape recording shows he was telling his story and then hand the conservation back to her. It is a lie.It shows coordination between the two and a violation of the law – which this president continually tries to skirt around. No the man in the commercial is not running for office, however, it clearly shows the continued lack of integrity from the the office of the White House to be silent even after this has been revealed. If the president didn't know, he has surrounded himself with people of the absolute lowest moral character.
You're SO PROUD of your JUMBO-SIZED, homemade-swastIka tatoo. Your Bircher friends don't have the heart to tell you that IT LOOKS LIKE A GIANT SEAHORSE.
Hey Cynthia L.
Have you ever seen the guy salute the flag or say in God we Trust?
Do you like Rap? R&B? Dancing with Blacks?
I really like NDAA folks,,,
How 'bout You?
OBAMA's got to go y'all... obama's GOT TO GO!
Obamas's got to GO! Y'all,,,
Obama's got to go!
ET Willams, http://www.whateverhappenedtocommensence.com
What kind of person puts his dog in a carrier on his car, only stopping when the poop sliding down the window gets noticed by his kids? Or who "believes" in America so much, he hides his money in overseas accounts so he doesn't have to pay taxes? Or flip flops on so many issues it makes your head spin? You can't man up to release 12 years of tax records like his dad?
Nice try, at changing the subject, just like all of Obama's Stepford wives and guys. can't handle the truth, so you try to put out irrelevant stories to redirect what a lousy job Obama and his administration has done for the USA. The economy still stinks! Unemployment actually went up last month! Obama thinks he's a Hollywood celebrity, and takes off to play golf and go on vacations at American tax payers' expense. The guy has had no real job in society, and yet somehow he won the election with some good slogans. He's had his chance, and he failed. Time for him to leave the White House.
Mitt Romney held a key role as Chairman of the Board of Marriott's Audit Committee, from 1993 -1998, presiding over a MAFIA-STYLE TAX SHELTER called, 'SON OF BOSS'. The Tax-Shelter was condemned by Senator John McCain, who called it. "CORRUPT" leading to changes in the structure. But, not before the IRS found out that Marriott was running afoul of the CORPORATE TAX-COMPLIANCE FRAUDULENT CLAIMS ACT during ROMNEY"S TENURE and where he had responsibility to personally oversee and approve the firms reporting of FICTIONAL TAX LOSSES EXCEEDING $70 MILLION DOLLARS to the IRS. Found to be quilty, they had to pay the IRS $29 Million Dollars in fines.
BEING REPORTED ON TODAY'S NEWS is Mitt Romney's already known endorsement of the Marketing Machine of WHOLESALE UNIVERSITIES RUN BY MITT"S CAMPAIGN CO-CHAIRMAN.
Which, Mitt touts as a 'FREE MARKET SOLUTION' to FIX our Education system. But it's other more common name is 'FOR PROFIT SCHOOLS.' Wholesale University actually used the name G.I.BILL.COM until the government noticed and trademarked the name under a gov't program for Vets. But, not before quite a number of Veterans found the school under G.I.BILL.COM thinking it was an accredited school under the governments listing.
The sleazy part – They market to Veterans of the U.S. Military and have rec'd 32 BILLION IN GOV'T FUNDS under Veterans Beneifts. These types of Wholesale Universities charge exorbant fees – $81,000.00 for a 21 month course.
Having only a 38% GRADUATION RATE, inferior education and higher student loan default rates on loans that have been taken out through the University to supplement the money over the amount that Veterans Benefits cover.
Leaving our Veterans with high $$ student loans to pay off. Is this fair to them??
JUST THE KIND OF INVESTMENT MITT SEEMS TO LIKE. What's next, finding out that he has secret investments in Private Prisons where they get TAXPAYER FUNDS leading to people who never see the end of jail time??? And more judges sentencing our youth and others while receiving money under the table to sentence people so, their buddies have bodies to stuff in their FREE MARKET money machines from hell?? That has already happened not too long ago so, it's not a far-fetched idea.
I don't like Mitt more and more everyday I read about him. And, am disgusted that he is associated with misrepresenting a program that takes advantage of our military members who just want the educational opportunities they were promised without getting taken advantage of.
hey puppet, arent you full enuf of your nobama coolaide, i guess 'the chosen one" isnt hiding anything from his past that you want to bring up, so i guess you're ok with dopeheads,being friends and neighbors with terrorists, and the chicago style thuggery polotics
Oh and what about Obama and his selling guns to the Drug Cartels in Mexico, seems pretty criminal to me. Considering some of that money made its way into his campaign funds
Another moron. You should be more concerned with with Barry is doing with your money than what Romney is doing with his.
Romney said todat he would releease his taxes if Obama released all his llege records, including the contriversial application at listed him as a foreign student.
Who is more important a dog or a human being? You sound like you would your dog before your own children.
It is just another way that Slick WIllie (Clinton and His Husband)
You may want to see it!
If I were a woman, I would pull that man's CHAIN!
He may be the best reason to vote for sumbody different!,,,
I mean if you were a woman,,,
Wait,,, Bite Me is with Slick Willy,,,
CHAINS for everybody, and
All y'all in Chains!
Even the Little Ladies that want Free Birth Control
(the proper woman that wants to cut off Clinton's Willy,,, Sandy FLUKE)
After all the unsubstantiated accusations and insults ... the bottom line still comes down to who can save America ... bring us out of the 15+ Trillion dollar debt ... and restore America to her former greatness ... #1, the person who over the past 4 years put us in debt, and dragged America down to the depths we're in now ... or #2, A man with a lifetime record of achievement and success. It's a no brainer ... Mitt Romney for President in November !!!
@Howard Larry Moe CurlyJoe WELFARE QUEEN
It's a good thing we aren't depending on you to save the country, AFTER you tripped and took a header into the circular file running through your dented shipping-container you call an (cough) office CHASING after the melodious music coming from an ice cream truck passing by.
BBs for brains AND THAT AIN'T A COMPLIEMENT decided he couldn't free you from the can AND JUST LEFT to borrow a JACK-HAMMER. (Don't think he could be depended on to save the country either.) So, we'll pass on you and your advice.
@1freeworld WHO WEARS A HELMET AROUND HIS HOUSE
'Once upon a time there was a little boy who NEVER-NEVER-NEVER wanted to grow-up and face the BIG-GGGG Bad World,..so he didn't.
I am thinking that Cynthia L is associated with SOLYNDRA and THE GM UNIONS!
Anybody here know any of the elites?
you are a useful IDIOT!
USED by COMMIES!
Cynthia L is a USED
as a useful IDIOT!
Cynthia,,, you are such a beautiful Martyr!
Why believe your own experience of paying more for everything, layoffs, inflation, and a shrinking economy ... when Obama and the main stream media keep telling you everything is getting better ... oh that's right, you believes what Obama tells you over your own eyes and ears. Conclusion ... you deserve to be lied to ... and, you deserve the coming economic melt down, and accompanying hardships ... but, don't worry about the Obama's, George Clooney or Anna Winter ... they will still be able to afford their lives of luxury.
You and your Survivalist Bircher buddies like to go out on Saturday afternoons, each jumping into bushes to practice your bird calls. Only thing is, is that YOU can't get the Hoo-Hoos, and the Coo-Coos down and just try to whistle through your missing front teeth WHILE you're buddies are laughing behind your back 'cause they think YOU SOUND LIKE A MOUSE PLAYING A HARMONICA!!
You did check to see if one of them planted a micro-phone in your backpack,.......didn't you??
IMAGINE THAT ... SPENDING OVER 100 MILLION DOLLARS TO TRASH YOUR OPPONENT ... ALONG WITH USING TAX DOLLARS TO CAMPAIGN ... ALONG WITH HAVING THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA IN YOUR BACK POCKET ... ALONG WITH USING TAX DOLLARS TO BUY VOTES ... ALONG WITH TELLING BLATANT LIES IN YOUR T.V. ADS ... CAN ACTUALLY MOVE YOU UP IN THE POLLS ... WHAT A SURPRISE !!!
American people are so fickle. They would rather believe lies than the truth and that is why our country is suffering so much. We tend to look up to the corrupt people of our country rather than to the good people. That is why we will suffer even more if Obama is re-elected. I hope you Obama supporters will not complain when you lose your jobs and homes.
You talk about this man using his dead wife. In most homes across American the wife and the husband both have some version of health insurance. Usually the one with the larger salary will have the better benefits. The smaller one will have dental or whatever is cheaper or not covered in the larger policy.
Since most of Congress is clueless about what the American people have or do not have they do not know this. But, in this man's case he more than likely carried the larger policy with his Union Dues and it was more affordable at his salary.
Once he lost his job and at their ages it was harder for them to increase the wife's insurance and that is if her employer would allow her to do so. Yes, employers will restrict just how much insurance you can carry because it will depend on what they will pay for. In most cases they will not cover your family. Also do not forget she lost her job also. More then likely right after she tried to put her family on her work insurance back then.
That a side, the Romney company was not in the habit of figuring this out. It was in the business of making a profit, period. They gutted the company, did away with the health care and retirement plans that these people worked and saved for. Took their profits and were on their way,
In my eyes Romney and that company are just as much responsible for her death as the cancer that took her.
Then you are simply wearing blinders.... you havenot looked at the facts.... even the news has reportd that the facts and the time lines don't match up... and that is the subject of this article ...that even the democrats are backin away from this one.
The ad is harsh, but not incorrect. Soptic and his family suffered substantially at the hands of Bain Capital: Lost job, lost secondary insurance, worsened standard of living. Did Mitt Romney kill Mrs. Soptic, absolutely not. Did the actions of his firm hurt them substantially, absolutely.
Soptic is disgusting. Using his wife's death for complete lie of a political ad.
And Obama is worse. He know's it's a lie, but still won't say a word against it.
The ad has not even run. The media are the only ones showing it.
The ad has run in 1 battleground state and Burton said today it will run in all of them. PAC or not it is an Obama supporter and therefore Obama is responsible for the tone this ad sets. Obama needs to publically request the ad be pulled and apologize for his overzealous supporters. Obama's silence on this means he wants to let he lie run and is therefore an accomplice to that lie. Romney ran harsh ads against Gingrish and Santorum but nothing that accused them of murder. Your moral equivalency is pathetic.
Cut the histrionics. This ad doesn't accuse Romney – or anybody else – of "murder." It doesn't even explicitly say that Romney's own actions led to this man losing his job. But this ad does make two points: (1) this is the kind of thing which Bain Capital's outsourcing led to, and (2) this won't happen now with the Affordable Care Act. Those are both totally valid points.
No,No sir you are wrong the law forbids the DNC or RNC or Romney or obama direct campaigns from any influence or approval or non approval of, Super pac ads. That is the fundamental essence of Citizens united and they are not permitted to say we are Democratic or Republican supporters directly or indirectly especially candidates in ADs; but we can tell, and the media very quickly defines thier political " leaning".
Re Soptic it is his view of how Bain affected his life and his wifes and in many respects is factually OK. When you add in debate of when Mitt finished Bain in 1999 or 2002 as part of your fact check this is opinion/ irrelevant. The plant closed in 2001, and romney was CEO 100 % owner Bain legally like it or not. QED he takes the buck till 2002!!
The media is blowing this up out of all proportion... its one mans freedom of speech and opinion which he emotionally but therefore reasonably in a sense overstates.... that's the bottom line... and the PAC should save money and withdraw it. They wont because that means the media wins. Viscious circle of Citizens United.
Repeal Ctizens United!!
Yeah ... and, the media are already criticizing the movie 2016: Obama's America ... and, it hasn't even come out yet.
The AD states that plants closing as they happened by Bain's activities in these communities have an enormous and catastropic affect on peoples lives. That's a true statement. I heard Brianna's investigative report yesterday, but her premise starts with the idea that this Ad is stating that Romney caused the death of a woman and THAT IS NOT THE MESSAGE (so the premise is false at the start). Brianna and Wolf need to view it from a different moral prespective; not the usual "business" perspective. Can you do that?
It's still despicable.
Obama will not apologize for this false advertisement. He is not that good of a man. He would rather lie and cheat.
HILARIOUS. YOU REPUBLITARD'S HYPOCRISY KNOWS NO END.
1. THE AD HAS NOT EVEN RUN, AND MOST LIKELY WON'T.
2. THE AD IS DONE BY A SUPERPAC SO WHY WOULD OBAMA EVEN TOUCH THIS? EVEN MITT ROMNEY KNOWS THIS, BECAUSE HE HAS NEVER APOLOGIZED FOR ALL THE LIES FROM HIS OWN SUPERPAC.
CONTRAST THIS WITH THE LIES ROMNEY'S OWN ADS PRODUCED ABOUT OBAMA'S "WELFARE REFORM" WHICH HIS OWN ATTACK PUPPY NEWT GINGRICH SAID ARE NOT TRUE BUT THEY'RE JUST SPECULATIONS.
MITT ROMNEY ONCE AGAIN WON'T STOOP TO LYING EVEN WHEN IT BECOMES SO STUPID THAT EVEN NEWT GINGRICH CANNOT LIE ABOUT IT. PATHETIC.
Goto Dick Morris web site (the Dick Morris that was the Clinton advisor that help write the welfare reform) He will tell you on his site that what Obama did was redefine the work requirement.
Put the question to Clinton himself, I would love to see his answer..
I wish this ad would have ran in every market.
The Obama campaign lied. What is it you do not understand? Ths time they got caught and had to come clean. It dies pose the question as to whether anything they say is true. Surely you see that..
That last line...???? Draw me a picture as it makes no sense to your argument. Take another hit!
1. As mentioned before, the ad has had a limited run. It's stated in the article that it's planned to run all over when the ad blitz by the PAC starts.
2. The campaign itself has already run essentially the same ad, with Soptic in the same shirt, suggesting that it may have been produced at the same time. That's some damning circumstantial evidence for coordination between the PAC and campaign, which is specifically illegal.. Adding to the suspicion, is that the campaign denied any knowledge of the story when asked about it, despite having used it themselves in the past, and also despite, as stated in the article, having asked Mr. Soptic to attend campaign-sponsored events. It seems to me that the denial of a story that they've pushed themselves likely has more to do with trying avoid accusations of collusion with a PAC than a problem with the story itself.
I think that you may want to go back and look more closely at what Gingrich actually said. He said that the change in the welfare program giving the state more flexibility "could" result in liberal states returning to the same" loose" work requirements that had been adopted by some states in the past. He said this change will probably result in a law suit because Congress specifically wrote the law to prohibit such administrative modification of the welfare reform act.
Also the Obama folks are trying to make a "moral equivalency" arguments with the two ad's.
Lets say for example in 1999 you are walking near a bank that has the alarm going off. You are wearing a red jacket, as it turns out the bank robber was wearing a red jacket. The police stop you but determine you were not the bank robber. In 2012 you decide to run for Mayor of your town. You are shocked to open the paper to find your opponent has run a full page add stating "candidate for Mayor was suspected of bank robbery". Technically the ad is true, but the people that would run such an ad are morally bankrupt.
per 1freeworld: Now The WORD IS OUT! HARRY REID IS A PEDOPHILE! HARRY REID HATES COWBOY POETS! AND WE CAN'T EVEN SAY WHAT HE DOES TO YOUNG CHILDREN!!! DESPICABLE HARRY REID! Show us Harry, that it isn't true!
1. How can you say that the ad most likely won't air, when " Bill Burton, founder of the super PAC and a former Obama White House aide, told CNN Thursday the plan is still for the spot to air"? What will your argument be when it actually does?
2. Obama, by not calling the ad out is pretty much saying that he does not disagree with it. So he is ok with his supporters spreading lies about his opponent, claiming that he is responsible for somebodys DEATH. Add this to the claim that Romney hasn't paid taxes in ten years, and it seems like Romney should be behind bars for life right? As much as you want to argue that Romney is doing the same thing, at least he isn't calling Obama a criminal.
Oh and by the way, name calling like "Republitard" makes everything that you say less credible, and just shows your immaturity.
Your bigotry and imbecilic hatred of anyone right of center from you makes your argument seem rather lame.
Democrap, fact is Reid back tracked this morning on his vulger lies, keep your head in the sand if you want. Oblunder has done every thing he can to destroy this country if u havent figured that out than u r just plain stupid
DEcember 2012 ... and the other obama stooges, don't care if obama and his spokespeople lie ... they don't care if they are inept, or cheat ... they don't care if the American economy is destroyed .. all they care about is winning. Honesty and integrity have become unfashionable under Obama. Apparently, 1984 just got here 28 years late.
I don't think the president should apologize for another man's feelings. The Bain Capital acquisition and disposition process set this man's life on the course that also is a process over time. The venture capital process that rolled out in 90s has been brutal to American business and has left venture capitalists very very rich. In this case, the process for Soptic and his family was completely downward course over the period of 60 or more months. Soptic is entitled to his feelings. Citizens United ensures that he can have an add and express his thoughts, just like Rove, the Koch Brothers or others.
Romney and the Repubs want to repeal the Affordable Healthcare Act. How many will die because of that? How many with pre-existing conditions will not get treated? How many will go without because they can't afford it? How namy will hold off going to a doctor cause they could not afford it when they now have free wellnwess check-ups that can detect something early?
Obamacare amounts to nothing more than bandaids an aspirin. Yeah, I'm sure this woman would have survived Obama's plan.
NICE ONE DOOGIE HAUSER. DON'T QUIT YOUR DAYJOB.
According to Romney's campaign person she would have under Romney Care.
@Dan J---That would be the Republican Plan. They have nothing to replace it with.
All that you state is happening every day and has been for years. The Affordable Care Act will correct this.
It will also correct the fact that this is a prosperous nation as well
Whats to say a repeal and replace healthcare would not have a pre-existing condition mandate in it.
I work in healthcare and will tell you, If you think under Obamacare healthcare will remain the same, only how you pay will differ, you are wrong.
wait unitl you feel something inside and call and get an appointment with your nurse practicioner(not doctor) in 2 months, then she it's nothing, but come back in 2 months if it still bothers you. Months later when you see a real doctor and find out it's too late....
This happened to my cousins husband in the great healthcare system of Canada. BTW his visits were free. Saved her a couple hundred in copays though.
How embarassing for you guys that The London Olympic Games Opening Ceremony gave cudos for 11 minutes to their Healthcare System. Reporters went to the hospitals to interview patients who seemed pleased to have the wonderful care England provides. Didn't hear any bitching there when given a chance to do it. So you just FLOPPED on your,'YOU SAID -THEY SAID' with nothing to prove what you said – WAS WHAT ANYBODY SAID.
Hey Cynthia .... didyou hear theone about hewoman in England that went to their healthcare system and asked for a procedure, experimental of course, that might save here life???
She was denied that procedure... but in a fit of ividual bravery, she some how managed to get the money to pa for that procedure in the USA... It save her life... Now she is no longer eligable to take part in theat wonderfull healtcaresystem in the UK...
hilarious aint it?
Bill,.....have you had a little too many nips of that stuff you hide behind the toilet?
I have worked in healthcare for 30 years. this whole idea of people not getting treated (with no healthcare) is a blatant falsehood. For the past 30 years, if you needed urgent medical attention, the hospital emergency room was always open. The ONLY place you would have not been able to receive treatment would have been at a "private" hospital – owned privately- and they are few. Even in an emergency situation, by law, they would have to stablize you before transporting you to one of the county hospitals. Welfare people would routinely bring in all their kids to the ER for checkups! You really think that is going to change. It's convenience and history. I dont believe the government should force private insurance to have them pay for pre-existing conditions or to for your "adult" not child, to be covered under your insurance until 24 or 26. Not a kid folks! Also, the only people who will benefit from Obamacare are the people who have NOTHING right now. If your working, you will still be paying premiums, your employer will be paying credits to the government. When the insurance is continually forced to pay for "additional" service – they will recoup their money through premiums. Working people who have insurance are the ones who will be hit the hardest...hmmmm, I think this is the middle class!
How many were dying before the act was passed? I'm sick of hearing how the repeal will take us back to the 50s. Especially since the bulk of Obama care starts in 2014. So really it will be like now only less uncertainty. Also, the repeal doesn't mean it won't be replaced by something. There has to be some good things they will pass as new legislation in the 2700 pages of the act and over 13,000 pages of regulation already written. Also, as the government sells providers sort for services, you may have coverage, but have to wait in a long line for a doctor. I accept Medicaid where I work, but not many around me do, and I can't say I blame them.
For 40 years i have listened to Dems howl about any adjustment or improvement of any of our social programs as killing old people and leaving kids on the streets. It hasnt happened. To a Dem, you throw money at something until it votes for you then leave them wallowing in ghettos on welfare.
My insurance has gone up 13% due to Oblunder care so i can pay for democraps like you. Colleges are canceling thier ins policies. Drs are quiting private practice, just another great move by Oblunder. Close gitmo=ooops!!! unemp under 6% or i wont run again ooops!!, eric holder=big ooops!!! u didnt build it-ooops there are just too many to account
my favorite ill cut the deficet in half WHAT A JOKE OBLUNDER IS
@BBs for brains AND THAT AIN'T A COMPLIEMENT
The Affordable Healthcare Act does not come into full force until 2014.
If your insurance rates have gone up – it's because your own insurance company has decided they want F*ck you up. You don't pay for squat for anyone but your own money grubbing insurance company. Why don't you give them a call and stop bitching on here?
P.S. How's the job for your "TAX -EXEMPT' gig with Karl Rove's GPS CROSSROADS WELFARE PROGRAM going? Still cleaning the 'CIRCULAR FILES'???
Somebody has to pay for all that free stuff....
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The AD states that plants closing as they happened by Bain's activities in these communities have an enormous and catastropic affect on peoples lives. That's a true statement.
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The AD states that plants closing as they happened by Bain's activities in these communities have an enormous and catastropic affect on peoples lives. That's a true statement.
"Shameless smear"? How so? Did Bain Capital not take over Mr. Soptic's place of employment? Did Mitt Romney not profit from it's being shut down? Did Mr. Soptic not lose his job, and his family's health insurance coverage? Did his wife not die of a cancer that went undetected until it was much too late?
You may not agree with how these facts might be put together, but I have yet to hear Mitt Romney dispute a single one of them, or prove any of them to be untrue. He just doesn't much like the guy that's reflected in them, and to tell the truth neither do I. Romney's mudslinging changes nothing; he's still a guy who refuses to take any responsibility for the consequences of his actions. In a President that's a recipe for disaster.
OMG CNN. This ad has not aired and was put out by a Super Pac, not the campaign. The ad by Romney about welfare is his own campaign ad, they are paying to air it and he uses the same rhetoric on the stump. Can't you see the huge difference in the two ads? Romney is complaining about negative ads and says "Where is the hope and change?" Well, the Democrats watched Romney crush Gingrich and Santorum with far worse ads during the primaries. Do you think they were really going to sit back and let him do it to them without retaliation? He can dish it out but he can't take it. I am sick of hearing about the comparison of the two ads. That is just made up by the media to fill air time.
You must be kidding. This is huge. They got caught lying and somehow you believe is ok. Not only they lied, they tried to accuse their opponent of being responsible for someone's death. Take a deep breadth and think about it.
The media loves to make false equivalencies. Romney can lie through his teeth and make up all kinds of facts, but a Super PAC supporting Obama has an ad which makes an erroneous implication, and the media treats these as the same thing. Ridiculous.
A mentally ailin' Palin??
Are you calling Mitt Romney's spokesperson ANDREA SAUL a liar when she shared with the country that, "The man's
family would have had health insurance if they had lived in Mass"? Or, gonna blame the lame-stream media you work for at FOX and the Conservative Radio Station that carries Rush Limbaugh for giving her the face and voice time to express her feelings she was proud to have for her candidate. Which they then -SHOUTED FOR HER HEAD!!
I don't believe for one nanosecond that Burton's super PAC does not not communicate with the White House. Especially progressives – they're a very small family. They all know each other. They all go to each other's houses. Jarrett would love to have sex with Van Jones if she could. Axelrod has put his own money into many of these PACs. Burton was in the White House for about two years. And, Cutter is all over the place within the family. Let's say that they really do not communicate with each other – they're still all ideologs! They all think alike. And, especially Burton, he has absolutely no morals in his DNA. He's a paid thug, just like Axelrod. They're paid to destroy a good man, and the can sleep well each night knowing the BS they're spreading each and every day. That's why I dislike Obama – not only because he believes in a utopian statist nation, but the people he surrounds himself with are the darkest thugs money can buy. And I don't think these guys really care about Obama either – I think they just enjoy what they do and get paid for it.
Does the guy in the ad really say that his wife would not have died if he had not been laid off or is he referring to the fact that he could no longer afford insurance benefits or afford hospital care and therefore his wife's death was much more painful and stressful for everyone concerned? Maybe if everyone could get affordable insurance and health care??
Obama's campaign is so ugly and meanspirited. Spreading hate....
All this over an add that has not aired? I seem to recall Romney arguing that he can't control what the PAC puts in their ads during the primary. Isn't sauce for the goose sauce for the gander?
Seems to me tat politifact has checked this ad and found it partially true … NOW, politifact has NEVER found a candidate MORE DISHONEST THAT MITTENS … so tea-publicons … when will you apologize for your chronic liar ??
You sir are either blind or a worse liar than this super pac. Politifact found this ad FALSE. Its right there on the front page! How can you lie that easily with no remorse?
Mittens, I like that. I don't like deficit spending followed by calls to increase taxes, even if it is on rich people. Rich people are becoming increasing rare during this very sluggish recovery anyway, and the tax hikes would only make up for a third of the deficit assuming it didn't hurt the fragile economy. We also have to assume there will be no increase in spending as well, not something Obama could convince me of. Feel free to argue about who lied about what, but it won't make the financial situation any better for the private sector or the government. Right now, I am leaning pretty far towards Mittens. Anyone want to convince me otherwise without talking about the what ifs of tax evasion, a phony felony, or trying to convince me Romney killed a woman with cancer?
No different from the Willie Horton ad against Dukakis, the Bin Laden ad against Max Cleland, and the Swift Boat ads against Kerry. Apparently the GOP can dish it out, but they can't take it.
One HUGE difference. There were no SUPERPACS then. There is DOCUMENTED evidence Stephanie Cutter coordinated Joe's story with the SUPERPAC – a blatant violation of Federal Election Committee Rules. Cutter will be fired within 48 hours and it will be more than clear to all that Obama's campaign is dazed, confused and in disarray.
are you nuts? Kerry was in vietnam six months...got three purple hearts, a bronze star, and a silver star.... and left the country...then threw his medals in the garbage when he arrived home...and you don't think this bothered us vietnam veterans who actually served our country honorably....kerry is a fraud and a scum bag.
jerry, you never served. Spare us your phoney- baloney- outrage because it sounds more like wind-chimes made from baby spoons.
DEMOCRAP, not close on comparisan
Why did Cutter lie on CNN this morning when it was clear that Joe ran an ad with Obama campaign in fall of 2011 and then campaign convened conference call in May of 2012 where Joe chronicled "details" of wife's death – and Cutter hosted the same conference call ! ? ! ? This ad hasn't even run and its about to get Stephanie Cutter fired from the campaign. KEEP THE HITS COMING OBAMA – YOUR CAMPAIGN IS IN 100% TURMOIL MODE!!!!
Heh, it's no different than Romney failing to repudiate or even bothering to comment on all the "silly-ass" birther claims levied against the president. If it is okay for Romney to just sit on the sidelines in this regard, then it should be okay for Obama to follow suit. This whining by the Romney campaign just reeks of hypocrisy....
How is acusing someone responsible for a wonman's death the same as what the birther 's doing? Please enlighten me.
The Soptic ad is one of the most despicable that I have ever seen. It is one thing to try to smear your opponent- it is quite another to virtually accuse him of murder. Obama should repudiate this ad; that he won't speaks volumes about the lengths he will go to to be re-elected.
Apparently, according to the Republicans the Swift Boat attack ads against John Kerry were fair game, but people dying because of lack of health insurance coverage is below the belt? Republicans are the last people on earth who should talk about negative campaigning.
the marxist party is digging deep and failing.... lies and manipulations. obama has failed and he needs to go and good riddance, damntired of seeing this fraud in the media everyday.
this is like hangingobama with his own rope...hahaha lie by the sword obama and get what you get
Obama should stick with this ad. Republicans take pride in LYING and CHEATING all the time, and they made it clear that they HATE Obama no matter what he does.
It's time Obama and the rest of the Democrats beat them at their own game.
Obama should stick with this. Republicans made it clear a long time ago that they HATE Obama no matter what he does, and they're exceedingly proud of their constant LYING and CHEATING.
It's time Obama beat them at their own game.
With this despicable attack ad accusing Romney of murder the Obama campaign has officially joined the league of most venomous and corrosive leaders. The candidate of Hope and Change whose biggest allure was that he would end small politics – the constant partisanship and hate mongering – has now become the merchant of hate and divisiveness. He is ripping apart the fabric of our nation now. David Axelrod and this ad have plumbed a new bottom in the history of our politics. And shame on MSM for having enabled them.
Bill Burton was a spokesman for Obama's campaign in 2008. Then he was the Deputy Press Secretary for the White House. He was one of the main players in the attempt to get Fox News kicked out of the press pool. Now he's working for a PAC with "no direct ties" to Obama? If Obama ran the country as efficiently as he does his Chicago slander machine we would be in better shape.
Rare kudos to CNN for running the story.
As an Obama supporter and donor, I have to wonder who made the decision to use this ad. It was a stupid decision when there is so much more ammunition out there. Whoever made the deision to go with this ad should be fired, as it was just the dumbest decision ever. Do they ever run these ads past smart, informed Dems before they decide to move forward? I could have told them what the result of this ad would be. Romney is the liar, liar pants on fire candidate, let's keep it that way. There is much to dislike in this ad. Remove it, decry it and end it.
So obama lies about Romney's tax returns, accusing him of offing this guy's wife & insults Romney's father & takes shots at his wife's clothing and therapy for MS. Obama is simply running the ugliest campaign ever. Disgraceful.
Those workers were just numbers to Romney so now at least he gets to see some of the real devastation that he and Bain caused all in the name of profit. It would probably bother him if he had a heart.
Profits before people.....the republican motto.
I'm sorry but twisting the story of how and why that poor woman died is sick and the President should be ashamed of not only his teams behavior in this particular matter but also himself for quietly allowing it to happen. Are you the POTUS or not!!! If so have some dignity and not use the grief of a widower who as a matter of human behavior, blame any one he can for the tragic loss of his beloved wife. SICK SICK SICK!!!!!!!!
politics have sunken to a new low. i've never been so disgusted with the entire election process. Obama and his campaign are a disgrace to the office of President.
hey the guy can say what he wants in his add just like mitts group does. When mitts super pac comes up with a lie mitt says I have no control over the super pac. So now he has flip flopped again. This guy is no actor and really feels this way. Free speach repos. You opened this can of worms . Can't take the heat get out of the kitchen. Forward 2012
You're right. The guy can feel however he wants. BOTTOM LINE , the ad was a LIE! Next!
So, Steveo I have yet to seen you say any of your guys ads were lies when proven that they were. Very curious and disappointing.
Did I lie when I stated the ad was a lie? Even CNN said it was a lie. I do agree with Judy, the man can think whatever he wants. In addition, I am sick of ALL these ads from BOTH sides. Full of half truths 3/4 truths and NO truth! I am researching on the internet for myself! I am not being suckered by ads, but since the topic was this ONE ad, that is what I responded to. No need to be disappointed! I am tired of all lying! Plain and simple!
Steve... I am with you ... butI have to add that I am not sure what I am sick of most... all the lies or all the people that promote those lies as fact. I am so sick of this lock step krap... it reminds me of the Eisenhower years...
Eisenhower was a great man. If you are taliking about McCarthy the 'head hunter" I agree with that, too.
Eisenhower was a fool.... he may have been a great general, but he was a mediocre president. He had a vision for american youth, why do you thingthe social revolution too place in the 60's? We were nott gonna step to that drummer.
as far as McCarthy is concerned, you agree? to what that the Kennedy's were staunch support of Senator McCarthy's witch hunt?
Support McCarthy??? The guy chewed on his toenails, ew-wwwww. He and HELMET BOY have alot in common.
repos can't stand when democrates beat them at their own game. Joe can have any opinion he wants free speack, Not and actor like mittens uses . Jerry bb you guys are so stupid no wonder your party is on the ropes with nuts like you. Forward 2012
Its not that the ad is a big distortion....anyone that gets off their ass and researches this for 10 minutes can figure out why its propaganda... its that Stephanie Cutter, Robert Gibbs, and Jay Carney lied about even knowing the story. I'm sure David Axelrod would have given the same response as they did but hes too slimey to corner for an interview. These are direct insiders that advise the President. Too bad that people are asked to trust people that lie to them. If someone that I employ lies to me about issue important to running my business, they no longer work for me. Why should people that work for the POTUS expect anything less ? Crazy!
Judy ... and the other blindly devoted obama stooges, don't care if obama and his spokespeople lie ... they don't care if they are inept, or cheat ... they don't care if the American economy is destroyed .. all they care about is winning. Honesty and integrity have become unfashionable under Obama. Apparently, 1984 just got here 28 years late.
Howard you have a contract with Karl Rove. Admit it.
Harvard Study: Health Insurance and Mortality in U.S. Adults
"Lack of health insurance is associated with as many as 44,789 deaths per year in the United States"
There were two points to the ad. the obvious: what Bain has done to some people with them grabbing dough and closing plants. But the second point, that most seem to have missed, is that many people won't have health insurance if Romney ends Obamacare on day 1 as he's promised. That decision will probably kill something like 45,000 Americans every year afterwards until the problem that the GOP has been avoiding to solve for decades gets resolved. In my opinion, the ad is being too nice to Romney who is flirting with the legislative genocide of 45,000 American each year. Sorry for the tough rhetoric but that is a very serious issue for this campaign and the above Harvard study lays out the facts.
The US pays twice as much as any industrialized nation for their healthcase while life expectancy is way down the list. If Americans want jobs, they have to address health care costs because their labor is more noncompetitive with the high costs. Obamacare cuts a couple of hundred billion off that tab according to the OMB and is structured to get more. Romney doesn't just want to end this legislation – he offers no solution nor any compensation for the increased deficit killing the legislation will cost.
The GOP is a party who will spend trillions looking for WMD but won't lift a finger for those unable to get healthcare. They deserve that ad after decades of thousands of Americans dying because of their negligence on this issue. Meanwhile, the GOP do so clinging to some warped interpretation of the constitution while overlooking "life, liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" in the document that started it all: the Declaration of Independence.
I hope they run that ad every day until November to jackhammer into these GOP folks the human costs of their negligence. American lives ought to come before GOP ideology.
You are twisted.... Think, would this country even be able to consider universal health care if our ancestors had not taken the chace to live free... There was no health care insurance in this country for most of its existance... And when you did get a doctors aid it was barbaric.... now that is an inalienable right:? I don't think that is what was meant when the fonders wrote that passage.
I think the big take-away from this whole debacle is that the President's team is desperate. Their internal polling tells a far different story than the ridiculous D+19 polls we're force-fed by the media.
Barry, you reek of fear.
I feel that USA president don't have integrity. I was Obama supporter but not anymore. Shame on you, Barak Obama === Hil. Clinton has it.
I feel very bad that USA president don't have integrity. I was Obama supporter but not anymore. Shame on you, Barak Obama === Hil. Clinton has it.
Everything Obama said in 2008,2009,2010 is garbage. This man said so good because it was good for time. Now He act like cheap politician Who try to be Community organizer. He still community organizer.
Gee mikie, Community Organizer sounds pretty good next to Mitt Romney's V.P. PICK PAUL RYAN. Can you imagine if that guy ran for president after doing a stint as a DRIVER ON OSCAR MAYER'S WEINERMOBILE??
I would rather have a leader... not an organizer.
Well, that's what happens to "the little people" when someone like Romney realizes he could make some cash off them. I'm so glad the truth about Romney is coming out. Over the years I've watched Americans cackle in cynical humor accepting the fact that OF COURSE everything is corrupt and the weak get trashed. Is that cynicism the new America?
Go suck your thumb and pull the covers over yer head- wimpy boy. You are afraid of your own shadow.
Though I agree with your sentiment free... I believe you went over the top there.. It is the way she is... she can't help herself.... she is a liberal with a false cause.... throw her a bone now and then so she can vent and use her play ground name calling skills ... it keeps her occupied while the world goes by,
@AT THE BOY WHO WEARS A HELMET AROUND THE HOUSE.....Civil to you?...You don't deserve it. You are a scared, paranoid, schizo. I personally don't think you've ever taken a bath because you're afraid of the water.
What I said about over the top goes for you to Cynthia.... no bothof you go to your rooms.
@ Helmet boy
John Birchers hold hands when they cross the street. And, when they go to each others houses they get out their collection of little, plastic toy-soldiers they got as a prize in their CrackerJack boxes and play war. When they aren't doing that they stay huddled in their houses with their doors and windows locked, eating old army-rations and peaking out the curtains looking for the drones.
Thanks Free.. much better! and I agree!
Did you know that Cynthia brought this up in another thread??? LOLOLOL... so watch out you will have to argue a point from one thread in another totally different one with her...
YOU like to think of the three hairs growing out of your chin as a beard. You wear a bullet-proof vest to bed, even your teddy bear wears one. YOU have been known to BOOBY-TRAP YOUR OWN GARBAGE CAN – that is, until you forgot you were doing it, and woke up from your COMA three months later.
EVER SINCE, your continuing drooling madness has cost you your JOB – your SANE FRIENDS and every person in YOUR FAMILY INCLUDING THE DOG HAS RUN AWAY. (you still have your play day with the Birchers, though..... And, Twinkie Bill.)
Since you haven't mentioned it, I guess you haven't seen the hidden cameras strapped to the trees around your house. HA-HA-HA. That's why those guys are called professionals.
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