President Obama turns his focus to foreign policy with a visit from Afghan President Hamdi Karzai to wrap up the busy week at the White House. After a bilateral meeting in the morning, the two leaders will have a working lunch followed by a joint press conference. The White House warns us not to expect any firm agreement on troop numbers to come out of today's meeting, but the two leaders will discuss the nature of the U.S. presence in Afghanistan after combat troops leave in 2014. Additionally, the U.S. and Afghanistan are in the middle of negotiating a bilateral security agreement which the White House hopes to make progress on during today's visit.
Meanwhile, Vice President Biden continues his work this week with the gun control working group by holding another meeting this afternoon with representatives of the video game industry. Attorney General Eric Holder and HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius will join him during the meeting. Vice President Biden said he'll be sending his group's recommendations to the president's desk next week sometime.
Click below for the full schedule, as released by the White House.
10:00AM THE PRESIDENT holds an expanded bilateral meeting with President Karzai of Afghanistan; THE VICE PRESIDENT attends
Cabinet Room (Closed Press)
10:30AM THE PRESIDENT holds a restricted bilateral meeting with President Karzai of Afghanistan
Oval Office (Stills Only Pool Spray at the Top)
12:00PM THE PRESIDENT meets for lunch with President Karzai of Afghanistan; THE VICE PRESIDENT will also attend
Old Family Dining Room (Closed Press)
1:15PM THE PRESIDENT and President Karzai hold a joint press conference
East Room (Open Press)
I guess everyone is on board the Obam show, Whats up with job creation ???, notice the kid who was bullied in cali didnt kill anyone, so no coverage from cnn, what a joke this country has turned into. Gun control =B.S.
how about some parenting??? You raise kids in day care or school system what do expect?? Lets have background checks and licensing for people who want kids. If your not smart enough or pretty enough you cant have kids. Yep thats about how much sense Biden and the brown nosers make.
What does intelligence have to do with being pretty? I see you have unloaded your usual idiotic BS.
I'm all for Moose needing a license to have kids.
It doesnt, i was making a point about licensing, geeez lighten up, your always looking for a fight
The disturbed young man was talked down by the teaching staff, and thankfully not shot down by a teacher as the NRA would have you do. This in a school that was supposed to already have an armed guard on site.
Obviously the student was mentally distraught but how did he get hold of a shotgun? Why are these so easy to obtain? I guess we will never know or care because the NRA doesn't want us to even go there.
Karzai is president in title only, he doesn't really have much power. Whenever we do leave Afghanistan will revert right back to it's previous state which will make people wonder why we ever stayed so long there in the first place.
@ Cynthia, if you cant see i was making a point than your the one who shouldnt have children, we all hope its not to late! Where do we suggest we stop with a license ???
Moose on the loose. You making a point about what? Child-rearing is an important job and making sure your children are educated is one of them. Making sure your children know that guns aren't toys by not buying them AS TOYS is definetly a parental choice which I took seriously. And, some people definetly shouldn't be parents but are. ALAS, I have two grown sons who tell me that I was a great mom and think I still am. Both serving in the military – one still serving into his ninth year. Neither would agree that assault weapons are appropriate in a civilized country or, in one not stable either. Stop brown-nosing the NRA. Most of their support comes from corporate partners of the firearms industry involved in manufacturing and sales of firearms and related products who don't care who they sell to as long as there is a buck to be made. The vast majority of the funds contributed to the NRA lobby is a whopping 74% donated by those who seek to profit – the weapons manufacturers and sellers. Which tells me they don't have the power of public favor on their side even, in elections. The gun dealers, makers don't care if the guns are used to shoot kids or our own soldiers and the public knows it. Your B.S, about gun control rings hollow.
Thank your sons for being right, The point is goverment takeover. Where does it stop. I dont think assault rifles should be on the streets either, however the thing that started this was the school shooting. He used pistols not an assault rifle. The politicians then cranked up the brown nose media and now its about assault ri fles. This is way off tract. We have nut jobs its not the weapon its how its used. Parents need to be held accountable for thier childrens actions that and gov takeover are the point.
.223 Caliber Bushmaster rifle was used in most of the shooting at the Sandy Hook School. It's a modified version of an M-16 similar to an AR-15 with the ability for an unlimited amount of ammunition. The two hand guns, were a Sig Sauer pistol and a Glock – one in which were used to ace himself. All having ammunition that is designed to deliver massive injury.
The shooter was a home-schooled individual whose mother was his teacher and the legal owner of the weapons who thought guns would be a way to bond with her troubled kid. She was his first victim.
If you are worried about Gov. takeover then you should be troubled by the ongoing voter suppression efforts of the Republican Party and the effort of the NRA to buy influence.
As far as the kid who fired upon fellow students in Calif., CNN did report and continues to report on the subject. Try reading.
Moose is another of those paranoid people obsessed with an imaginary future Hitler...he would rather fantasize about future bad things happening than help stop the bad things happening now.
I have a little trivia question for you. Try to guess the weapon. According to government statistics, this weapon kills more people in this country than guns combined. People who use this weapon must be trained, tested and licensed. Yet it still kills more people than guns. It kills without discrimination on gender, age or race. It has also killed many school children. I believe the primary cause of it causing deaths is misuse and intentional disobeying the laws required to use the weapon. There are around 250 million in this country. Yet, no calls for background checks, checks on mental health or any other limitations including bans. What is the weapon?
Guessing a hammer or crow bar, convience
A motor vehicle!
A motor vehicle is a weapon?
Steveo, you win the prize. It is the automobile. More people die each year from automobile accidents than guns. Yet, why is there no cry for regulation?
Driving a vehicle is very much regulated, there are safety regulations that have been fought for many years by the likes of Nader and other Consumer protection agencies. When you get caught driving without a license you will be punished, if you drive while intoxicated you will be punished. Nobody cries too much about such regulations, because driving is not a right protected by the Constitution, it's a privilege. I expect there will continue to be greater regulations and safety innovations for driving a motor vehicle.
And yes, a car is not bought and sold as a killing machine, not unless you mount a machine gun on it so the deaths that occur are mostly from accidents. Can you say the same for guns?
Dang moderation, my long answer is still pending.
The short answer is already stated: accidents. Would you attribute most gun deaths to accidents? It's a critical difference because guns are tools for killing, while a motor vehicle is not – unless you mount a machine gun on it.
Plus it is totally wrong to say driving motor vehicles is not being regulated. It is constantly being regulated. Think seat belts, speed limits, laws against drunk driving, texting, etc. Driving is not a right so these regulations are often not often questioned but they did not come about easily. People like Nader and other Consumer protection advocated had to fight the auto industry for them. The same way gun control advocates have to fight the NRA now.
You have to have a license to drive after taking a written test, a driving test and a vision test. Which also requires two I.D.s usually a birth certificate AND another with a picture, such as a credit-debit card. Not only that, the car you are driving must be registered by the state and have INSURANCE COVERAGE. Your car MUST BE road worthy and to be able to receive a plate it must pass a safety test. In California you must have a current smog check certificate.
You must not exceed the alcohol limit or be impaired by drugs unless you want to be arrested on the spot.
You must wear a seatbelt and children under a certain age or weight must be belted in a child seat. You may not use anything but a hands free cellphone device. You must adhere to traffic laws and signs and not exceed posted speed limits or drive unsafely in poor conditions. You must use your headlights at night and in some cases through construction zones at all hours.
You can choke on a ham sandwich. Which may be the persons fault or the result of a heart attack. At any rate, you don't need a license to munch.
Everything you said is absolutely true. What is also true is every law and statute you mentioned is violated everyday. My point is and as an example Chicago has some of thee strictest gun laws on the books and every year hundreds STILL die from gun violence. No matter what gun control laws are passed, the bad guys will always find a way to gain access to a weapon! I am not saying we should do nothing, I am saying those with bad intentions will care nothing about a gun law!
Although it is estimated there were around 270 million guns owned in the United States in 2012, coming to the exact number of vehicles is a little harder. Since most figures are given for only passenger vehicles which does not include other types of highway traffic like semi freight haulers, motorcyclist, smaller trucks, motor homes, tour buses, school buses, and other vehicles. the number of passenger vehicles was 246 million in 2010 so add to that several million more other types of vehicles....and we must consider most all of these vehicles are on a road on average at least once per day, or every other day.
So how often does any person use any gun or all the guns they own? I doubt if it is once a day. Which to me says that for guns that s a really high number of deaths annually for an item owners do not normally use every day.
Oh..... but there are regulations on automobiles, plenty of regulations...even down to where and for how long they can legally be parked for certain locations, what age you have to be to legally drive one, the requirements to pass a test written, driving, and vision, and you must have a license that has not been suspended to drive the vehicle, and have insurance to cover anyone you may injure....enough citations and they can take your license. That is just for the driver there are a whole other set of regulations that apply to vehicle ownership...including registration, title, tags, insurance requirements, and transfer taxes owed should you sell the vehicle.
Another questions for you Jean. How many people die each year from non-registered guns?
Knowing exactly how many are killed with unregistered guns would be near impossible. That would mean you would need to apprehend both the shooter and the weapon used for each death.
Couldn't you simply subtract the number of deaths caused by registered guns from the total number of deaths?
if you don't have the weapon how would you know whether or not it was registered?
December, generally no but in the hands of someone with bad intentions anything can be a weapon!
Sure, anything can be weapon but that does not discount the fact that guns are bought and sold primarily as a weapon and it is probably less regulated than driving in some areas of the country.
I don't have the statistics but I think I can confidently say that deaths by motor vehicle are mostly accidental or due to negligence. I don't think the same can be said about guns.
The NRA keeps preaching that more regulations will take away our guns. The fact of the matter is, more regulations have not taken our privilege of owning cars and driving them.
Right on all accounts. But how many people actually drive the speed limit. My old driving instructor often said, and yes I remember back that far, that accidents occur because of faulty equipment. It would say then that negligence is the leading cause. The main problem is attitude. I have the right to drive fast. Have you been car shopping in the last few years. You will notice the bumper sticker has 2 sets of mileage. One in large print and a set of higher mileage under the heading normal driving conditions, governments idea to accommodate for aggressive driving.
Does this relate to gun violence? Maybe or maybe not. But will new gun laws be followed? I can't tell you how many times I have seen parents in the car with children fly through a red light. Yet, parents provide the main example for children as they grow up and become drivers. I am afraid the problem could be much deeper than simply lack of regulation.
But, one area where I feel we need regulation is the gun shows. Hard to believe people can by guns without any checks whatsoever.
Oh well, moderated yet again. Maybe you can see it by tomorrow.
December, point taken but I believe Caramon was simply comparing the number of deaths by gun verses by vehicle. The results are the same...somebody dies!
Agreed, and I am not discounting the numbers and how people die but you also cannot discount that guns are used as tools for murder to a far greater degree than an automobile.
I just wish we can have a better debate from pro-gun advocates and the gun lobby than 'you can't touch our guns.' We can talk about mental health, we can talk about the culture of violence, but if we do not talk about guns because we hold it as some sacred right then we are just lying to ourselves.
Agreed December. One area where I would like to see additional regulation would have to be gun shows. It was my understanding that the guns purchased for the Columbine killings were purchased by the teens from a gun show. The restrictions are not nearly as tight as found at gun stores.
Right now motor vehicle deaths and gun deaths are on a trajectory course for gun deaths to claim more lives each year than gun deaths in 2015. Gun Related Deaths to Exceed Traffic Fatalities By 2015 – source Bloomberg.
Automobiles are regulated. A drivers' license is required and it is in a database, a license plate which is in a database is required, a vehicle registration is required also in a database. The vehicle even must have a VIN number ...and we can't get the same on a ammo magazine.
In 2010 the number of gun deaths in the U.S. was:31,328 Auto deaths 2010 was 32,885.
Plus,we keep working to make care safer and are working on vehicles that practically drive themselves..
Sorry my fingers mean cars not care.
Oh and I hate to break it to you Caramon, but automobile deaths have decreased per year. They were in the 45K to 55K range per year during the 70's & 80's. So better roads, better training, better testing, stricter enforcement of laws, and better safety features built into new cars have decreased deaths.
better safety features built into new cars have decreased deaths. I think you will find this is the main reason for the reduction of deaths. However, I must confess, I have no statistics to support it. But think of all the deaths air bags have prevented. They weren't available in the 70s and 80s. Better engineering is also important. Cars are actually built to give way from a front impact softening the blow to the passengers. Better enforcement? Not from what I have seen. Today people drive faster and more reckless than ever. It is almost impossible to enforce all the laws today. The point is that despite the testing, rules, licensing of drivers, most people ignore and break many laws every single day. So, will more regulation work or will it be ignored. Final question. What was one reason supporters gave for legalizing pot.
Jean, why do you say we have better roads? Faster driving, harder stops all cause greater wear and tear on the roads. Roads here in Cinci are always in bad shape. Do you know they are better or are you assuming.
Caramon...I think we all deal with the potholes of Ohio city streets and roads, but newer interstate highways are designed to cut the number of accidents, and eliminate sharp turns, and intersecting traffic....your grandaddy's meandering two lane state highway, and today's many-laned super highway are not the one and the same for drving hazards. Other than we still have those bozos who thinks they can peal off from the center lane, cross four lanes of highway, and take the exit ramp without causing a pile-up.
The condition of Ohio highways is due to the fact that they are contracted to the lowest bidder, and highway builders here don't have the materials and surface compliance codes that are required for building a highway in some states. A cheaply build road means repairs are needed sooner, and more work, more often for the road builders. It seems as soon as one end of the road is completed the starting point needs repaired. My late brother-in-law built highways....in more than one state....he said: Ohio wastes millions by not having stricter highway building codes, but then look who sets and writes the code.
Also, talking about regulations on vehicle ownership. Do you have a clue about what adult children can go through to sell a parent's old rattle trap vehicle; if that parent happened to die without leaving a will? It would be simpler to sell a vault full of semi-automatic weapons to an outright criminal than legally sell that vehicle, in the state of Ohio, without a legal title of ownership to transfer to the new owner.
@ Cynthia WRONG The rifle was left in the car geeez talk about reading !!!!!
I'm not wrong. The Chief Medical Examiner for the Sandy Hook School shooting VERIFIED that the rifle was the main weapon used to kill those at the school. Doesn't fit with your tidy ideas? – take it up with the expert.
Wrong again, talk about tidy, just keep following the libs take this country down the bowl. He was found dead with 2 pistols fact NOT A RIFLE.
A shotgun WAS found in his car. A Bushmaster rifle WAS USED in the majority of the killings of six and seven year olds. When the shooter was searched he had his brother's ID on him. Media were interviewing townspeople at the site. Of course when the first reports come out on any scene, there will be conflicting information until more solid information comes out – human nature and the rush to get info out as, in this case, there was a fear that both brothers were involved, one not located immediately and feared dangerous to the public. The mother WAS a teacher for her shooter son. She was not a teacher for the school but had many disagreements with them which might have fueled the resentment toward the school by the shooter BUT we will never know because the shooter not only killed his mother – he killed himself.
In other news;
80% of gun-owners polled also have stated that secondary gun sales are problematic and need greater restrictions on the selling of weapons and purchases by law enforcement agencies. Which I totally agree with.
So, you know, I think that, have we achieved everything that some might have imagined us achieving in the best of scenarios? Probably not. You know, there's a human enterprise, and you know, you fall short of the ideal," said Obama.
That should be nice for our fallen soldiers to hear
funny...two muslims making any kind of agreement...hahaha Here the middle east is a mess, four dead Americans (scandal), economy on the edge...no jobs...and o'foolishness talks guns. Of course were are pulling out of the middle east, we have our own oil... obama can strut threaten and play his foolish egomaniac games at the end of the day an empty shirt and embarrassment to America. And there are those of you who blow to this fraud...are you insane?
Jerry....Is that a nice way of saying we are all off topic again?
Plus Moose.....The massacre in Connecticut that's taken the lives of at least 26 people was reportedly perpetrated with a .223 caliber rifle, a Glock pistol and a Sig Sauer pistol, according to NBC.
The shooter was using one Sig Sauer and one Glock pistol, according to CNN. Later details emerged that the primary weapon was the Bushmaster "assault-style" rifle. source: Business Insider
That's probably true, but wasn't this the same media that said the shooter's mother was a teacher and father was dead.
The coroner determined most of those killed were killed by rounds from the 223 caliber Bushmaster XM. he killed himself with a handgun. I imagine the two members of the school staff who were injured but survived were probably able to provide details that were not immediately known by the media, or even by first responders.
NBC, the law breaking net work, just in the last week how many recants have they posted, believe what you want, it seems there are a lot of brainwashed people on cnn sites. You can access the police report thru public records. it really doesnt matter to me either way you and cindy would believe any thing as long as it made Obam look good
HOWS that gitmo closing comming??? hows 5.4% unemp from the stimulus working??? i mean geeez this guy has failed miserbly and you think thats fine, we lost billons on his goofy green jobs, money just lost that could of been used to create jobs, real jobs not payoffs to his supporters, but again believe what you want, its clear to most your both mostly wrong and brown nosers
Moose, I guess we shouldn't talk about WMD that WEREN'T FOUND in Iraq when Bush's Administration said there were even as an International investigative team IN IRAQ had not found that to be true?? Fox, I assume your fav conservative news source, was wrong about that and beating their chests for an invasion in support of Bush OVER WMD. They were never found. Conservative media made a huge mistake, didn't they? But, you'd follow them anywhere, anyway because why? I have my doubts that you read and listen to a variety of news sources and the only reason you are posting on this site is that Fox provides NO COMMENT SECTIONS because they want you to listen to what they say BUT AREN'T INTERESTED in what YOU SAY.
People are taking snips from an ill informed media, the police report reads found rifle in car, i highly diubt he went in shot the place up and then ran to car, ran back inside and shot himself!!! plus no witnesses reported seeing the use of an assault rifle. NYC med examiner ??? I doubt it
When it comes to ill informed...go look in a mirror. It is not the media's fault if you can't keep up.
when it comes to dumb and ugly you should look in the mirror. Moose is right you can read the police report and it states 223 in auto, but go ahead and believe cnn
Read at CNN – Newtown shooter's guns what we know. posted by Steve Almasy 12-19-12
There were four guns taken to the school by Adam Lanza, and only 3 taken inside the school...he left the fourth gun which was a shotgun in the vehicle.He used the Bushmaster to shoot out the front door of the school to gain access,and it was the gun he used primarily inside the school.
My point was that nowadays it's report now get the story later. It's good to get the story out, but only basic information that has been confirmed by law enforcement in this case.