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No, I don't think so. I believe PRESIDENT OBAMA has been mis-informed, ill-informed and out and out lied to oftentimes by 'embedded' sabotagers close to him. I believed early on that this would happen; because 'the system' of GOOD OLE BOYS and GIRLS have vowed to SATAN himself, that they will make OBAMA a sacrificial lamb! They've spewed poison and undermining intelligence to us against the endeavors of this PRESIDENT! It's all about a 'lynching'; a modern day PRESIDENTIAL assassination; a black president!
You did not accept that President Bush was 'mis-informed' why do you accept this of Barry? Is it because you think he is not in charge, that he is not as capable and there fore not culpable?
Talk about modern day presidential assassination, remember the move call 'Death of a President' (2006). Where were you Liberals then, oh yea, you all were laughing and cheering to kill Bush.
You are sick Liz, your hate has been raging for years. You fan the fires of racism, use terms like 'lynching'. Think how disrespectful that is to the people that actually were killed. To equate someones legitimate dislike of Barry's polices with such a hideous act is not acceptable.
Liz, do you realize that the definition of lynching is an angry mob that takes the law into their own hands. Sound kind of like the Egyptians that Barry supports. But what else could we expect from such a hate filled president.
The main mission of OBAMAS' haters is to be sure he doesn't go down in history as one of the greatest presidents to ever serve this nation! That's why they're on a virtual perpetual slander mission. They continue to publicly question his wisdom, intellect, decision-making, his explanations, his mumness, etc., everyday, all day for 2 to 3 days; it's ALWAYS something out there in the media shining a negative light back on OBAMA! I know there's still a deep-seated hate for an intelligent black man in AMERICA!
Barry is the one that hates. He is the only president who made a speech where he called Americans his enemies. The First Date never felt proud of her country until her husband was elected President. Both of them are so filled with hate. Just look at their supporters like Liz. Every chance she gets she calls someone a bigot, or boy. Hate begets hate. In the words of Rev. Jeremiah Alvesta Wright, Jr. "The chickens have come home to roost" for Barry and The First Date.
T J HOLMES, and every news anchor has been crying and screaming ever since MUBARAK told us he would not be stepping down! What is it to us? PRES OBAMA did what he could to suggesting that he do this to save the nation from more dangerous crisis! We don't know what the man told the PRESIDENT, but whatever it was, he changed his OWN mind in his OWN nation! He might owe OBAMA and the world a better explanation, but he certainly doesn't owe the US Media one! Just stop trying to be the first to jump out; WRONG!
Consider this Barry supported a revolution. The total dismantlement of a sovereign nation. For what reason and at what long term cost? muBarak was going step down in September. It will take at least that long for elections to be held. Now, in the mean time, the government is disrupted. People can not get access to their funds and no one is in charge. Sewage treatment, police service, court system, government payroll, electricity, you name it and it has been disrupted. It could take decades for Egypt to start functioning again.
As a country we should support the will of the people but not the will of an angry mob. Free elections can not held in chaos.
If Barry likes revolutions than lets give him one. In Egypt it only took 300,000 protesters from a country of 90 million or .0033. So to remove Barry from office we would only need 1,000,000 protesters (+Anderson Cooper) to go to Washington and demand that the president step down. Hey whats good enough for other world leaders should be OK for our Barry.
Let organize and pick a date to march on Washington. Barry is a dictator and he must step down now!
Jay, I saw your earlier posts where you said that AMERICANS should do the same thing they were doing in EGYPT last week! You say it again TODAY! Evidently you agreed with that revolution yourself! You suggested that it was a good idea, and maybe that's what AMERICANS should do to bring down PRES OBAMA and our government! You are sick with HATE, you are pro-conservative who hates anyone who's not of your opinion and goes as far as to tell you their views on the 'deep reasons' why they don't! CONVICTED?!?
I don't need your 'acceptance' of the truth because you and everyone else who are of your same 'secret' mindset, which does become very obvious in most of your posts, especially your personal ones against OBAMA, will have to answer to SOMETHING greater than I! SO I wll continue to put it out there like I see it! You are not going to 'BOOGIE MAN' me from my personal observations, politically or socially! I 'hate' the 'fact' that you think that your 'legitimate' debate is the TRUTH! We all should agree 100%.
As far as your remark about my notation of a 'modern day lynching', I was not the creator of that phrase but I CHOOSE to use it because that is exactly how I view the ongoing daily perpetual 'systemic' handling of fearmongering, insubordination, argumentative, demeaning, disrespect, undermining, stonewalling, sabatoging, and the continous media abuses and media bloggers, towards him, his administration, his family and EACH and EVERYTHING he has EVER done to revive the nation dismissing EVERTHING as WRONG!
As far as your attempt to 'dismantle' my views and make me take back what I said, it will never happen because I don't say anything that I couldn't repeat in the presence of JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF! BTW, I know HE would agree with me; HE would tell me that if there weren't any FIRES OF RACISM to flame, I wouldn't be able to FAN them! I'm one of the ones that knows racists coals are still hot; and if anyone points them out by fanning them, then we are the VILLAIN! I'LL BE THAT! OOPS! Did that fan hit you?!?
About your claim that PRES OBAMA supported 'A REVOLUTION', that is the type of mincing of words that you are quick to deliver to give an even more negative perception to the ill-informed of OBAMA; and what he was obliged to do as PRESIDENT of the UNITED STATES! The MAN had mixed emotions about the whole event, but he walked a tightrope very well sending a message to MUBARAK, as to what he thought was the best thing for him to do for his countrymen! He did it compassion for the people, diplomacy and respect!
Only GOD knew what MUBARAK was going to do before OBAMA sent a message! Those people had been demonstrating a week or more before PRES OBAMA sent that message! You, I nor anyone else knew what that dictator was going to do, so you can stop acting like you knew he was stepping down in SEPTEMBER! We heard that response from him after OBAMA spoke. The EGYPTIANS said NO! LEAVE NOW! OBAMA spoke to him again a little more sternly, because it just got worse! MUBARAK saw it was, said OK, but flip-flopped on that!
Oh! Since OBAMA tried to empathise with that nations people and what they wanted after all these years, FREEDOM! A PRESIDENT of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, a nation who claims to stand for freedom, justice and liberty, is WRONG for understanding and empathizing with the people of that nation? And you're suggesting that OBAMA, by himself, dismantled a sovereign nation, for what? And to what long run cost? Frankly, I didn't think you looked at long run costs; the way you object to OBAMAS long run plans!
Another thing; At what cost to who? Are you trying to give us that bill too? All I can say about that is, we give them enough money already! If we do end up being tied up with that 'bill', I sure do hope it doesn't cost as much as the sovereign nation IRAQ and AFGHANISTAN is costing us! Brought down by BUSH! About 'DEATH TO A PRESIDENT', I didn't see it or know about it so I wasn't one of the liberals who laughed. Many conservatives PROBABLY laughed that's why many of them changed over and voted for OBAMA!
I can do nothing but accept the fact that BUSH was 'misinformed', because that's what they're telling us to accept! You, Jay, never gave me that as reason for the decisions he made; until we had debated back and forth for a long time! Like you are doing now, you always covered and found ways to mince words and pull excerpts of quotations, years, and figures to justify any decision the BUSH ADMINISTRATION made. Waaay later, you decided to give up the ghost and said he shouldn't have started those wars!
However, I accepted it as reason, but I don't have to BELIEVE that BUSH was misinformed and I don't! OK? He, CHENEY, RUMSFELD, RICE, ROVE, even McCAIN and others who stood to fatten their wallets, knew exactly what they were doing and knew exactly why they were setting off the war in IRAC, anyway! It was for the 'greater good' and the 'greater good' does not include me! It may have included you, since you cry so much tolerance of their 'bad policies' as you perpetually put down OBAMAS'! DOGS IN THE FIGHT?
Lastly, modern day lynching'? The remark you made that I should think it disrespectful to people who were truly lynched; I've had ancestors lynched, dragged and murdered by white supremasts! My husbands grandfather was hung in Goggins, Ga. Goggins is no longer on the map! We are not alone either! Many AFRICAN AMERICANS can relate with great understanding, to that phrase with no thought of it being 'disrespectful', simply because we know it's true! We're being hung 'on paper' and by word of mouth these days.
Now you have gone too far with your racist rants. I do not believe that your husband's grandfather was lynched. Here is why.
According to the FBI between 1840 and 1968 there were 1,297 lynchings of whites as well as the 3446 lynchings of African Americans. The census estimates that 30,000,000 African Americans have lived during that time. So, 3,446 / 30,000,000 = 0.0001148 That is 1 in 10,000.
The chances that your husband's grandfather was lynched is just to slim. Add to that your claim that your family members were also lynched is just astronomical. It is time to face the truth, you are not a victim. Chances are you are not descended from anyone that endured such a horrible death. You may not even be descended from slaves, maybe you are descended from slave owners like Barry.
GONE TOO FAR? I have no reason to lie to YOU! Did you check the FBI stats to see where most of those 3446 AFRICAN AMERICAN lynchings occurred? Anyone who has studied African American history in the UNITED STATES, at all, knows that most of those lynchings occurred throughout the lower south! NORTH CAROLINA, SC, FL, AL, MS, LA, and my goodness! My good state, GA!! YOU started all of this just because I said I viewed the continuing bashing and battering of Pres Obama as a 'modern day lynching'! I STILL DO!!
Yes Liz, most of the lynchings occurred in the south, about 2/3, however about 8/10 of the African Americans lived in the south. That means the chances of your family being lynched is even less than estimated. Stop being the victim. Just because your skin color is black does not mean that your family has clean hands. Your family may have profited from slavery like Barry's. He had at least 2 slave holders on his mother's side and his father's family is responsible for Africans being sold into slavery.
About the revolution I am saying if Barry thinks it is a good idea then let do it. We are planing Liz, we are organizing, revolution is in the air.
Did you do research on me and my ancestral heritage too? My husbands heritage? How in the world can anyone in his right mind even have the gall to denounce the GREAT possibilities of the truths I just gave? To question the truth or validity of a 63 year old AFRICAN AMERICAN, born in the south, GA; lived and worked through the 'civil rights struggle', whose mother is 94 years old, (not that far fetched) who was born (in a house) in INDIAN SPRINGS, GA, a father who was born (in a house) in ATLANTA, in 1914?!?
My father, a WW2 US ARMY VETERAN died in 2OO5, at age 91! His parents, my grandparents left Monroe, Ga for AtIanta hoping to for a simulance of a safer and better life! The same happened with my mothers' parents; they left Indian Springs for Atlanta hoping for the same thing! To some degree, they found it tolerable if they just kept their mouths shut, accepted the 'status quo' went to work, and came home. The stories of the evils perpetrated on my ancestors were passed down from not that far back from ME!
The same thing occurred with my husbands' family after the killing of his grandfather; his father and an uncle left that town running towards Atlanta out of literal fear, hoping to find a better life! Both of my husbands' parents are deceased; had his father still been with us, he too would have been 94! (not that far fetched; it's not inconcievable) So I resent your telling me I'm lying. I have no earthly reason to! I won't give you my fathers' name, but my mothers' maiden name was TALMADGE! Look that up!!
You continue to find a way to demean OBAMA, don't you? Yes, the people in the white side of an AFRICAN AMERICAN family in the south certainly did profit! They profitted off of the backs of the black side of the family! OK? Whatever you want to claim maybe profit for us; the black side, shouldn't even be considered, at all, as profit! It's no more than 'partial pay' with an IOU! Our people worked hard to make Mr & Mrs Willie Lynch and Mr & Mrs Jim Crowe wealthy! It's not profits; IT'S JUST PARTIAL EARNINGS!
Barry's father and his black ancestors were not slaves. How did the white man profit off of them? The blacks in Africa sold their brothers and sisters into slavery. That is a fact that the black community does not want to face.
Liz, you continue to want to stereotype everyone. You think that people are black (victims) or white(the devil). Take a look at Barry, he does not fit your prejudice view of the world. Half white, half black. Descended from slave holders on his white side and slave capturers on his fathers side. His father for all piratical purposes, was an immigrant. Came to the USA on his on free will. Barry proves the point that you can not judge someone by their color. You do not know their past and certainly their race gives no indication as to their families involvement in slavery. Stop being a victim and more importantly stop victimizing others.
Jay, I didn't claim to be a victim in this debate, although I know that I am. I'm a decendant of AFRICAN victims who were stolen from their homeland and herded here like animals. Once they got here they were listed as property for sale, and sold to slaveholders throughout the south; families were broken up and got lost from one another. My people were even more victimized by the white plantation owners having their way with my ancestral 'mothers' and making babies, hence my great-grandmothers on both sides!
I never said OBAMA was decended from slaves! His father was a free man who came here when got ready, and went back home when he got ready! You keep dragging BARACK OBAMA into this slavery conversation, even saying I may have been descended from slave owners like BARRY'! Have you fact checked his ancestral family background? What do you mean we don't want to face the fact that some slaves were sold by AFRICANS? We DO know that! But we also know most slaves weren't sold, they were hunted down and captured!
Jay, you can dish it but you can't take it! Who ALL did I stereotype and vicimize? I mainly ended up telling parts of my own story, since you jumped out complaining as if YOU were offended when I mentioned OBAMA was being put through a 'modern day lynching', and that's still what I believe! I don't care about all of that political yelling, screaming, whinning, and now here you are threatening to start up a revolution with other anti-AMERICANS to make PRES OBAMA step down! And after BUSH stayed 2 terms?!?
Jay, start from the top and read with some focus before you rant and try to lash out at me because you get twisted and start 'spinning' anybodys', NOT ONLY MINE, anybodys' observations or opinions into something else! And whenever you address my opinion with that SENSELESS CRAZINESS, I will take you right on down to the 'REAL DEAL'! You even try to spin that and of course, continue to draw either BARACK OBAMA or MICHELLE OBAMA into the craziness! You're the one who's sick! You think you're THE smartest!
Liz, this section of CNN is called the 1600 Report, White House Blogs. I would think that the discussion would be primarily about Barry. I did not realize it is all about Liz.
Barry was raised by a banker white woman. His family includes slave holders and capturers but not slaves. He was given the best education of our country. Made millions of dollars off the sell of his books. Became state senator at 36 years old. It sounds like I am describing President George W. Bush.
Why do so many black Americans relate to Barry? Is it just his skin color?
Jay, for all of the accomplishments you just listed, those are exactly the reasons why some of us who deem ourselves fairly intelligent relate and are proud of PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA. Are you saying that ALL white families were slave-holders? I know better than that! There were many white families who aided slaves in their escape to the north, and the west; anywhere out of the south! Godfearing whites who like ABRAHAM LINCOLN, knew it was wrong! RICHARD B NIXON was from such a family; they were QUAKERS.
About your claim AFRICANS being capturers of slaves, I take offense because the majority of them were running and hiding trying to keep from getting caught by the whiteman and a few profiteering AFRICANS! I guess they decided they may as well get something for their brothers and sisters because the white capturers were going to steal them anyway! Where did you get those 'facts' that OBAMAS fathers' family were such capturers? Where did you find that none of OBAMAS' fathers' family were slaves?
Liz, the fact that you think that you may as well get something for your brother is as about as low as you can get. Talk about modern lynching. You would sell your own brother and sister into slavery. Liz says; "Oh, well, they were going to be captured anyway I may as well profit from it."
Jay, I didn
Jay, I DID NOT SAY THAT IS HOW I FELT OR THOUGHT! You're nothing but pure EVIL! Since you were so thrilled and happy to announce that AFRICANS sold AFRICANS to the WHITE HEAD HUNTERS, I was only trying to give a probable reason as to why those AFRICANS may have chosen to do that! They were being rundown, boatloaded and stolen anyway indiscriminantly, by the thieving white man ANYWAY! So at least let us get SOMETHING for our loss! RATHER THAN LOSE A WORKING BROTHER OR A FERTILE, COOKING SISTER FOR NOTHING!
So at least let us get SOMETHING for our loss? You are greedy.
What about the questions I asked you? You made analysis, assumptions, and predictions of the probable bloodline, occurences, non-occurences and statuses of my family heritage, my husbands' family heritage and of course THE GREAT FAMILY HERITAGE of BARACK OBAMA! I asked you to show proof of your claims, at least the ones you made of OBAMA! You're so busy trying to demean me, and shine a bad light on me, PERSONALLY, until you're down to de-characterization against me with lies, perception, and hypotheticals!
No! Me personally?!? I wouldn't dare turn over or sell anyone of my sisters and brothers into slavery or to the WHITEMAN for ANYTHING other than known dangerous, felonius, heinous acts and crimes being lodged or potentially being lodged against an innocent, unknowing, vulnerable public! That goes for white folks too! And that wouldn't really be SELLING them to the whiteman; that would be turning them over to the 'justice system', which is composed of blacks and whites! Those folks come from 'we the people'!
You may need to be examining your own heritage evidently, come forth and give us that 'fact'; especially since you know so much about it. They probably were some of the ones who were too lazy to hunt, rundown, and kidnap AFRICANS! They probably went over there seeking out AFRICANS who had 'brothers and sisters' for sale! They probably bought them for a little of nothing, knowing they were going to regain that purchase amount back, a trillion times over! Plus that way was easier; less work, less sweat!
" AFRICANS who had 'brothers and sisters' for sale!" I think you summed it up well Liz. Africans sold Africans.
Jay, you said the black community didn't want to accept that fact. I don't know what black community you got that info from, because most of us intelligent ones did know that and accepted that fact. We were even told by our NATIVE AFRICAN sisters and brothers why some of them did resort to doing that. I gave you one reason. There are one or two more, but you aren't interested; all you're interested in is making sure it's published that 'AFRICANS SOLD AFRICANS' as if that EXCUSED mans' inhumanity to man!
You have to have intelligent people in order to get "intelligence". I am afraid our President does not have a very intelligent staff–