 Jay Carney is one of many administration officials who have defended the raid on Bin Laden's compound
May 11th, 2011
02:18 PM ET
White House takes issue with Bin Laden familyWashington (CNN) - The White House pushed back Wednesday against allegations by family members of Osama bin Laden, who said the raid by Navy SEALs, in which the terrorist leader was killed, “blatantly violated” international law. “We feel very strongly that the successful mission against a mass murderer of Americans and people across the world, was entirely justified,” White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said Wednesday when pressed on the matter at the daily press briefing. In a statement provided to the New York Times on Tuesday, Omar bin Laden, and other children of Osama bin Laden, said the lack of a body, or photographic or video evidence of his death, led them to question whether their father had been killed in the May 2, operation in Abbottabad, Pakistan. The statement went on to say that despite his disagreement with US policy toward his father, Omar disagreed with Osama Bin Laden’s use of violence against innocent civilians. In testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee last week, Attorney General Eric Holder said the raid on Bin Laden’s compound was lawful “as an act of national self-defense.” As the head of Al Qaeda, Bin Laden headed “an organization that had conducted the attacks of September the 11th,” Holder said. “It’s lawful to target an enemy commander in the field.” In an interview with PBS a day after the operation, CIA Director Leon Panetta said the “authority” during the raid was to kill Bin Laden. “Obviously, under the rules of engagement, if he had in fact thrown up his hands, surrendered, and didn’t appear to be representing any kind of threat, then they would capture him. But they had full authority to kill him,” Panetta said. When asked by a reporter on Tuesday what he thought of the statement questioning the legality of Bin Laden’s death, Vice President Biden sarcastically asked, “You’re kidding?” |
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I do not see what Barry and O'Biden are complaining about. They both advocate globalization and the formation of a World Government. One where US citizens, and presidents, are subject to other countries' laws and whims. Welcome to the new world order.
I read a lot of your posts, Jay, and your lack of knowledge is breathtaking. The President and Vice President support working with our allies instead of bullying them; they do not – and never have – supported a world with only central government. You are constantly spouting silly conspiracies (a Glenn Beck fan, I assume?) and never have anything even close to factual to back up your claims. Please stop being a troll and post with something other than your fanatical hatred of our President.
I am glad to hear that you have been reading my post. However you say "never have anything even close to factual to back up your claims". That is not true. I often include links to websites, news stories, government websites and quotes. In fact I think if you do a google search of this blog you will see that I am the one known for including references.
Such as when The First Date told a group of children that her 'favorite first book' was Song of Solomon, by Toni Morrison. You know the hate filled racist, book about teenage sex, teenage drinking, murder and rape. Contains many many cuss words and the dreaded 'N' word. When posting about this I have included links to the original story. Yet liberals still call me a lier and tell me to move out of the country. Here is the link, notice how young and impressionable the children are. I still say The First Date should have known better.
http://whitehouse.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/28/first-lady-fields-wide-ranging-questions-from-kids/
As far as the 'One World Order' it is a joke. No one would ever believe that Barry was capable of accomplishing such a feat. I do know that he included Arizona in his Report on U.S. human rights to the UN Human Rights Council. No other president has ever reported a States to another governing body. Again here is the link.
http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/146379.pdf
Now about you, I did a quick search and I can not find if you have ever included a link or any other reference to back up your claims. Is this something that you require of others but not of yourself? Or is this just more of your Liberal lies, keep slinging the stuff and hope that something sticks.
@Jay in NC: "However you say "never have anything even close to factual to back up your claims". That is not true. I often include links to websites, news stories, government websites and quotes. In fact I think if you do a google search of this blog you will see that I am the one known for including references."
I've read many of your comments over time and you engage in the kind dishonesty that characterizes all of the anti-Obama trolls such as yourself.
"Such as when The First Date told a group of children that her 'favorite first book' was Song of Solomon, by Toni Morrison. You know the hate filled racist, book about teenage sex, teenage drinking, murder and rape. Contains many many cuss words and the dreaded 'N' word. When posting about this I have included links to the original story."
What you didn't do is mention that Song of Solomon won the National Books Critics Award, was chosen for Oprah Winfrey's book club, and was cited by the Swedish Academy in awarding Morrison the 1993 Nobel Prize in literature:
http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/literature/laureates/1993/press.html
One can only wonder why your twisted little mind condemns the First Lady for answering a question honestly by saying her favorite book was an award-winning book from a Nobel Prize-winning author, but I've seen your kind use that tactic more times than I care to remember.
"Yet liberals still call me a lier"
The fact that your comments may have some kernel of factual truth in them doesn't make them honest comments. Providing a link to the story where Michelle Obama says Song of Solomon was her favorite first book does not support your characterization of the book as hate-filled or racist. I've seen this tactic many times. You take a fact or two, weave a false narrative around them, and then claim your comment is based on facts.
I have to wonder how you came to your assessment of Song of Solomon. We both know you didn't read it, and I find it highly unlikely you read the article about Michelle and then googled Song of Solomon to learn about it or you would discovered what I did, that it's highly respected. Given the degree to which your characterization of the book is so inconsistent with the respect the book and its author have earned I am forced to conclude someone such as Rush Limbaugh told you what you believe about it.
After years of discussing politics online I've come to realize the reason people like you hate Obama is that he's the villain in fairy tales Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck tell you.
"and tell me to move out of the country. Here is the link, notice how young and impressionable the children are. I still say The First Date should have known better."
I say it's a real shame you stoop to these kinds of tactics to oppose the president. It tells me you have no legitimate criticisms to offer. More accurately, it tells me the people who tell you what to think, fear, and hate have no legitimate criticisms to offer and you believe all the nonsense they spew.
"Or is this just more of your Liberal lies, keep slinging the stuff and hope that something sticks."
Now you're projecting. I see a constant stream of lies and other dishonest tactics from the right, people who are obviously as desperate as you to attack the president but can't articulate a legitimate criticism.
annie's assessment of you was dead on. You're just a troll who hates Obama and has nothing useful to say no matter how many links you post.
Omar Bin Laden has stated in past interviews that his father was motivated by retribution for the killing of innocents. But his (Omar's) stance has been that killing more civilians in retribution for the killing of innocents is not the right thing to do, either. He is not naive to the loss felt by Americans after 9/11.
Perhaps he is not naive to the loss felt by Americans after 9/11, but it would seem he is naive to what constitutes justice and what is legal to be done against a stateless actor with which our nation was literally engaged in war.
To Omar Bin Laden & Family,
If you have any doubts about the death of your father, it's very easy to find out: stay by the phone...soon he will be calling you from Hell...stay put and be patient since there is no fiber optic or satellites down there it may take a while. Another reason it may take a while is because he may be busy with about a dozen virgins he got rewarded from Allah....let the old " one eye" man have a little fun.
Now if you and your family are so concerned about Osama been killed and not have been able to see his body, you should have turned him in....if there is any consolation, here in the USA there are thousands of parents, brothers and sisters, friends, neighbors and colleagues that will never be able to see their loved ones bodies that your father ordered to kill!
If you really claim that you disagree with the mass murdering committed by your father you should apologizinstead of seeking a different end to his
agreed.
Very well said..!
+1
Thanks, well said.
.......(continue with prior post)...If you really claim that you disagree with the mass murdering committed by your father you should apologize to the world instead of seeking a different end to his life....because for the rest of the rational human beings in this World, Justice has been made!
The family has to been out of their minds.. Do they really want to see that photo?? Also, Why would we honor him with a trial how many of our people have been killed due to him... There was no trial for them and they were innocence..
He who lives by the Sword shall die by the sword. Justice.
If he want to see dad omar can take up scuba diving, so far as I am concerned daddy got off easy.
Who cares what the Bin Laden family thinks!!! In my mind they are all culpable and you can't tell me he did'nt have suppoirt from these peoiple as well as the Pakistanis!!!
blatantly violated” international law.really really..why are we even entertaining this foolishness...the things that we let into our mind....there was not justice, peace or sorrow for the innocent,hard working individuals who lost there lives on sept 11. so your telling me that he really asked the question "why bin Laden was not captured alive and afforded a trial. well what about the families of the people who were hurt by this vicious act against innocent people...when they get justice ,respect and the common honor that they deserve before just livin there lives without harm to anyone but themselves then maybe just maybe we'll think about your justice until then try showing some dignity, respect, justice, understanding and love for one another and man kind we all share this earth so we all need to learn to get along and respect each other , we're all different and dont all share common rules, religions and beliefs.so thefore we need to be more understanding of one another.Who was this man to think that he could make changes the way that he wanted and not pay the price, we're the home of the free land of the brave and one nation under GOD not Osama Bin Laden...so i guess what im saying NO JUSTICE NO PEACE.....
I just love Joe(Biden), what else can I say! Legality in killing Osama Bin Laden, "You are kidding?"
To demand fair treatment for terrorists is in this day and age is pretty ridiculous. The rules of the game have changed because of the many deadly terrorist attacks against innocent people all over the world. The terrorists are learning a lesson. Instead of being tried in court where they can voice their greivances, they will be killed in retaliation for their actions.
Osama Bin Laden had an undeservedly easy ending. When I think of the terror my fellow Americans knew on those planes on 9/11. When I think of those poor souls jumping from the Trade Towers and being burned alive. When I think of the torture their surviving family members experience, wondering about their last terrifying moments on earth. When I think of how the world is so much uglier since 9/11. Yes, Osama Bin Laden got off very easily.
My question is why do people expect more then they have given? How many times has OBL followers come into someone's country to bomb and kill civilians, not just Americans but many other muslims, christians, etc? All with orders from him while he lives in safety (until recently) from all hurt, harm and danger in a million dollar compound with his family. The christian in me feels no sorrow for the loss, you reap what you sow and it must be in God's will that he was killed. I think it is time for us ALL to move on on this subject because there should be no pity here, for this was not an innocent man with no blood on his hands like many of those who were killed just by his command.
For someone who calls herself a Christian you sure don't seem to have a very good understanding of what Christianity teaches. Or have you just decided that only the easy parts of Christianity apply to you?
my response to the family of bin laden is that the attact on the United States in Sept 2001 was a violation of international law. Bin Laden got what her deserved. End of story.
Lack of shame must be a Bin Laden family trait. Their father's 'political solutions' resulted in the deaths of thousands of innocent people. If the family had any morals at all they would have assisted in OBL's capture. As it is, he's dead... if they want answers... GO FISH!
Jay, have you noticed that no one seems to be interested in your failed attempt to scornfully and repeatedly dismiss the FIRST LADY about that book? LOL! It is just so immature of you to continue on with your rampage against the character of the FIRST LADY, not to speak of the PRESIDENT. No matter how many times you keep blogging about 'her favorite book' and your fake concerns about any so-called effects it could have on children, nobody else seems to care about your empty, hyped-up brow-beating attempts!
As long as there are people like you that think that it is a lie, I will continue to inform.
Regurgitating the rants of Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck doesn't inform anyone, it just spreads their propaganda and hate. You are a good little drone. Your idols would be proud.
Don't you mean: MisInform?
@ RN, The First Date did say that Song of Solomon by Toni Morrison was her 'favorite first book.' How is that misinformation? Is it because you don't believe it or you can not defend it?
“We maintain that arbitrary killing is not a solution to political problems and crime’s adjudication as Justice must seem to be done,” the family wrote in their statement. ......YOUR statement is foolish since YOUR father has killed so many innocent people in the name of YOUR religion and YOUR political views. If comes to that old saying "Don't do the crime if you don't want the punishment that comes with it".
To the Bin Laden family....
.YOUR statement is foolish since YOUR father has killed so many innocent people in the name of YOUR religion and YOUR political views. If comes to that old saying "Don't do the crime if you don't want the punishment that comes with it".
very simple, just cite the international law that justifies this and get it over with
Calm down your both pretty...
As to the article, Omar must be looking for TV time if he would consider the leader of a terror group notorious for suicide bombings, to be unarmed. A suicide bomber doesn't need a gun to be armed. They probably stayed their distance, told him to cooperate, and when he didn't, shot him. End of story.
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Their disputes are almost as rediculous and people saynig he isn't actually dead.
Ok Jay, 'As long as there are people like you out here who thinks it's a lie'? I can't stop you on your perpetual mission to instigate controversy and hate against Michelle Obama! Go right ahead with your 'information'! I haven't read one post from anyone who supports your disagreement with her answering the question about one of her favorite books, while talking to young people. Most people know that children who are raised right and monitored by their parents are not usually lead by outside influences.
Only the most rabid haters attack Michelle. Jay in NC attacked her for telling the truth when someone asked her a question. In his world that alone is justification for condemnation. Sarah Palin™ attacked her for her efforts to encourage healthy eating by characterizing it as government telling you what to feed your kids.
Back during the campaign I saw someone online claim she wanted young black girls to get cancer. The author of that comment was a fact-abuser like Jay. The real story in that case was that Michelle had opposed a medical study that targeted black teenagers to determine the efficacy of an HPV virus. African-Americans can be pretty sensitive to that given the Tuskegee experiment, a truly dark stain on our nation's history.
@Larry; thank you for that intelligently composed comment. I just love knowledgeable, reasonable, understanding, sensible posters, who are bold enough and brave enough to identify the hate and hypocracy of the perpetually unjustified slamming of MR & MRS OBAMA, hidden behind a 'political policies' screen of smoke and fire; and to top it off, you certainly have the charisma and courage to jump out here and put the TRUTH on the line! Thanks!
Your Liberal hate gives me strength.
So if someone disagrees with you it's because of liberal hate. You have definitely learned well from Rush Limbaugh, who has taught you that whenever you're challenged just play the liberal card. Pathetic, but quite common.
You should stop projecting. You are obviously driven by more hatred than most people here.
And if someone disagrees with you it is 'definitely learned well from Rush Limbaugh.' Just play the Limbaugh card.
Here are just a few of the thing you have said about me...
pathetic
common,
little drone,
anti-Obama troll
twisted little mind,
constant stream of lies,
dishonest tactics,
desperate,
can't articulate a legitimate criticism,
troll who hates Obama,
has nothing useful to say
Most people would call that hate. I call it Liberal hate.
@Jay in NC: "And if someone disagrees with you it is 'definitely learned well from Rush Limbaugh.' Just play the Limbaugh card."
Nice try, but another blatant lie. I present real counter arguments to the nonsense people like you post, as I did earlier in my comment addressing your remarks about Song of Solomon. I even provided a link, since you like links.
It's a testament to how pathologically dishonest you are that you would make this accusation when anyone here can read other comments from me and see there is no truth whatsoever to what you claim here.
I bring up Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck and their ilk because they are the only rational explanation for what I see. What I see is a lot of people who seem to despise the president and even his wife, but can't actually justify their hatred with legitimate arguments. The attacks on Michelle Obama are particularly low and dishonest. I see only two possible explanations:
– Your hatred is racially motivated. If that's the case then obviously you can't admit that, so you're forced to try to justify your hatred for other reasons, but lacking substantive criticisms you are forced to resort to tactics such as condemning Michelle Obama for honestly answering a question and saying one of her first favorite books was an award-winning book from a Pulizer-prize winning author. You made yourself look like a fool doing that.
– You don't hate Obama because he's black. You hate him because he's the villain in fairy tales Glenn and Rush tell you. They've brainwashed to believe a lot of nonsense about Obama being a socialist communist Marxist leftist Muslim terrorist lover who hates white people, America, and capitalism (and probably puppies) and wants to establish Sharia law. They've also convinced you liberals suffer from a mental disorder, hate America and must be defeated at all cost.
Both options explain your attacks, which clearly have no basis in any legitimate criticism.
"Here are just a few of the thing you have said about me..."
Glad to see you're keeping track. However, I stand by all of them and have often explained why I make those assessments. You, on the other hand, just call people liberals and think that actually constitutes a real argument.
"Most people would call that hate."
So you say. I say most people who have read your comments would call those honest assessments. In fact, since you consistently fail to address my arguments you must agree with those assessments.
"I call it Liberal hate."
Of course you do. Rush Limbaugh has taught you that calling someone a liberal instantly demonizes him and frees you from having to address any of his arguments. The problem here is that I'm not a liberal and you have no reason to believe I am. In point of fact I used to be a Republican, before the Republican party was taken over by right-wing drones such as yourself. I voted for Reagan and both Bushes. My views are moderately conservative, but you're so far right even moderates look like left-wing radicals to you.
@Jay in NC: I am very conservative. I have no great love for any particular politician but I am also well educated and I am able to respect the abilities and thoughtfulness of President Obama. Your comments here are what I expect from my 8 year old. I have little patience for fools and those who thoughtlessly repeat the rants of people like Back, Limbaugh, Coulter and Palin. These people want to stir hatred not thoughtful discussion. Leave the discussion to grown-ups.
@RN, So Larry calls me childish names and you claim that my comments are like an 8 year olds? No wonder Barry needs 1 billion dollars to get reelected. With people like Larry, Liz, posting comments he needs all the money he can get.
Thanks, LIz. I've been doing this long enough that I don't let these pathologically dishonest weasels get to me. If you let their lies and tactics upset you it blocks your ability to see exactly what they're doing and respond rationally. If you respond emotionally it just makes you look as if you don't have a position you can legitimately support.
Obama's most rabid opponents been brainwashed to believe a lot of nonsense about Obama being a socialist communist Marxist leftist Muslim terrorist lover who hates white people, America, and capitalism (and probably puppies) and wants to establish Sharia law. They also believe liberals suffer from a mental disorder, hate America and must be defeated at all cost.
The result of all this is a conviction that opposing Obama and liberals at any cost is justified to save America, and that includes every form of dishonesty, from flawed logic to blatant, outright lies. You can't shame them into behaving with integrity because they see themselves as being in war for survival, and "In war, truth is the first casualty." — Aeschylus
You can't reason with them because part of the brainwashing process conditions them to assume any information that contradicts what they believe is a lie put out by liberals. Any argument that doesn't support what they believe is a liberal argument and hence must be too stupid to take seriously or warrant an effort to rebut. Any source that doesn't reflect their ideological bias is bogus. All of this combines to create an shell that makes them impervious to any attempt to reason with them and it keeps them from confronting the reality that they're incapable of discussing issues knowledgeably.
You say that "They also believe liberals suffer from a mental disorder" yet you call your opponents "pathologically dishonest" That implies that you believe that conservatives suffer from a mental disorder.
You say "If you respond emotionally it just makes you look as if you don't have a position you can legitimately support." Yet you use terms like "weasels, rabid opponents, brainwashing" to describe conservatives. Clearly no one truly the things you call them therefor you are just spouting your contempt. That is not a valid position that can be supported.
Name the subject, and I will be happy to debate you.
@Jay in NC: "You say that "They also believe liberals suffer from a mental disorder" yet you call your opponents "pathologically dishonest" That implies that you believe that conservatives suffer from a mental disorder."
Not at all. There are many good and decent conservatives. But those are real, thinking conservatives, not the faux-conservatives such as yourself who have been brainwashed and given up the ability to think for yourself.
"You say "If you respond emotionally it just makes you look as if you don't have a position you can legitimately support." Yet you use terms like "weasels, rabid opponents, brainwashing" to describe conservatives.
Again, not all conservatives, and those are not emotional responses. I have watched your kind attack the president and the first lady for years with the most outrageous arguments and outright lies.
"Clearly no one truly the things you call them therefor you are just spouting your contempt."
Prefacing your remark with "clearly" does not make it true. When I see people tell bald-faced lies over and over again even after they've been factually refuted I consider them pathologically dishonest. They lie without remorse. Even after their claims and arguments have been refuted they continue to use them.
As for being brainwashed, a lot of people do believe that because the people to whom I'm referring (including you) show all the symptoms. It explains why they're pathologically dishonest, as they've been conditioned to believe one narrative regardless of any evidence to the contrary. Often they tell the same lie, which makes it clear they all got it from the same source.
For example, I frequently see people blame the deficit on Obama for all his wild spending. It's not true, and none of the people making that claim has ever even attempted to detail all this spending to which they refer when challenged to do so.
They've also been conditioned to reject any evidence or argument out of hand if it casts doubt on what they've been told. Typically they play the liberal card as you so love to do. You're a liberal. That web site is liberal. The person you quoted is a liberal. Your argument is liberal lies. As a liberal you're too dumb to understand my argument. Blah, blah, blah.
The following is Rush Limbaugh giving a demonstration of how all this works. He never attempts to answer his liberal caller's question. Instead he dodges it with a variety of tactics that all boil down to "you're a liberal":
http://www.examiner.com/political-buzz-in-national/rush-limbaugh-caller-asks-how-reagan-could-be-a-conservative-after-raising-taxes-and-granting-amnesty-video
"That is not a valid position that can be supported."
Except that I just supported it.
"Name the subject, and I will be happy to debate you."
What possible motivation could I have to debate the likes of you? So you could call me a liberal a few dozen times? So I could spend a lot of time correcting your lies and addressing your logical fallacies knowing that nothing I say, no argument I present, and no evidence I present would make any difference to you?
Oooooh! Oh no Jay! LOL! I didn't know my comments carried that much weight on the blog. I thought you were just one of a small group that they seemed to always negatively affect! Thanks Jay! PS: You don't guess that a few of my comments might have opened a few closed eyes to some truth anyway, to the perpetual battering you bestow on the PRESIDENT and his wife daily, do you? Not to even mention the RN's and Larry's point blank deliverances of the truth! That maybe why he'll be able to get that billion! LOL!