Obama makes statement on Libya from Martha's Vineyard
August 22nd, 2011
04:27 PM ET

Obama makes statement on Libya from Martha's Vineyard

While on vacation on Martha's Vineyard, the president made a brief statement this afternoon on the developing situation in Libya. Speaking to the small group of traveling press with him on the island, the president began by stating that he's been kept abreast of the situation despite being away from Washington:

I just completed a call with my National Security Council on the situation in Libya. And earlier today I spoke to Prime Minister Cameron about the extraordinary events taking place there. The situation is still very fluid. There remains a degree of uncertainty and there are still regime elements who pose a threat. But this much is clear: The Qaddafi regime is coming to an end, and the future of Libya is in the hands of its people.

The president summarized U.S. military involvement in Libya, beginning with the "peaceful protests" earlier this year and culminating with international recognition of the Transitional National Council as the "legitimate governing authority in Libya." And then he outlined the current situation:

Over the last several days, the situation in Libya has reached a tipping point as the opposition increased its coordination from east to west, took town after town, and the people of Tripoli rose up to claim their freedom.

For over four decades, the Libyan people have lived under the rule of a tyrant who denied them their most basic human rights. Now, the celebrations that we’ve seen in the streets of Libya shows that the pursuit of human dignity is far stronger than any dictator. I want to emphasize that this is not over yet. As the regime collapses, there is still fierce fighting in some areas, and we have reports of regime elements threatening to continue fighting.

Although it’s clear that Qaddafi’s rule is over, he still has the opportunity to reduce further bloodshed by explicitly relinquishing power to the people of Libya and calling for those forces that continue to fight to lay down their arms for the sake of Libya.

As we move forward from this pivotal phase, the opposition should continue to take important steps to bring about a transition that is peaceful, inclusive and just. As the leadership of the TNC has made clear, the rights of all Libyans must be respected. True justice will not come from reprisals and violence; it will come from reconciliation and a Libya that allows its citizens to determine their own destiny.

In that effort, the United States will be a friend and a partner. We will join with allies and partners to continue the work of safeguarding the people of Libya. As remaining regime elements menace parts of the country, I’ve directed my team to be in close contact with NATO as well as the United Nations to determine other steps that we can take. To deal with the humanitarian impact, we’re working to ensure that critical supplies reach those in need, particularly those who have been wounded.

Secretary Clinton spoke today with her counterparts from leading nations of the coalition on all these matters. And I’ve directed Ambassador Susan Rice to request that the U.N. Secretary General use next month’s general assembly to support this important transition.

The president also announced that the U.S. plans to support the TNC "with the assets of the Qaddafi regime that were frozen earlier this year."

After the statement the White House Press Office released a list of senior officials who participated in the president's NSC call. More than a call just on military strategy, the addition of members of the policy planning staffs from both the State Department and the Defense Department show that the administration continues to take a long-term approach to its involvement in Libya's next step.

Here's a list of the participants:

Chief of Staff William Daley
National Security Adviser Tom Donilon
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton
Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta
Ambassador to the United Nations Susan Rice
Director of National Intelligence James Clapper
Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral James Winnefeld
Allied Joint Forces Commander Admiral Samuel Locklear
Deputy Secretary of State William Burns
Under Secretary of Defense for Policy Michèle Flournoy
Deputy CIA Director Michael J. Morell
Deputy National Security Adviser Denis McDonough
Asst. to the President for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism John Brennan
Chief of Staff and Counselor for the National Security Staff Brooke Anderson
Principal Deputy Director of the State Department's Policy Planning Staff Derek Chollet

Topics: Libya • President Obama

soundoff (82 Responses)
  1. Calimouse

    How nice for him... Martha's Vineyard.... I thought that's where the evil "rich" people vacation?

    August 22, 2011 at 4:59 pm |
    • Russell Brown

      thank you I Have added
      their names to my pray list
      may Jesus bless and keep them
      may jesus pour his love in all of these
      great leaders .

      August 22, 2011 at 7:06 pm |
    • Howard



      August 24, 2011 at 5:37 pm |
  2. dinak

    You morons gave Bush the 3d degree when he played golf, and he finally stopped all together. Obama takes a vacation on the people's dime every other week with 3 wars, the Syrian people being slaughtered, our triple A rating down to double A, no jobs, bad economy, Guantanamo still going strong, the Stimulus money still in limbo, and what has been spent went down the drain with no accountability. Doesn't he have too much on his plate to be constantly playing around? Oh yeah, he's Black, so it's O.K. You libs would not let a White liberal president get away with being this lazy, but you always allow for less with Blacks – that's part of your racism. You don't think they are as capable as Whites, or you'd hold Blacks to the same standard.

    August 22, 2011 at 6:04 pm |
    • jean2009

      @dinak ........from Bush by the numbers;
      Number Of Out Of Town Domestic Trips: 609
      (That's not counting Camp David visits or bike riding outings)
      Number Of Foreign Trips: 49
      Number Of Visits To Camp David: 149, totaling all or part of 487 days.
      Number Of Visits To His Texas Ranch: 77, totaling all or part of 490 days
      Number Of Visits To His Parents' Home In Kennebunkport, Maine: 11, totaling all or part of 43 days.
      States not visited by Bush....1 Vermont.

      August 22, 2011 at 10:11 pm |
      • Howard

        By voting 'Present', Obama just happens to be there, and gets the undeserved credit, for other people's achievements. And, the fools who are duped into giving Obama credit, are putting the survival of America into the hands of an even bigger FOOL !!!

        August 23, 2011 at 12:41 pm |
      • jean2009

        @Howard....you may want to check that with POLITIFACTS...which gave it a big fat red FALSE.on the TRUTH -O-METER.

        There is no record of President Obama ever having voted "Present" when he was a U.S. Senator, and the Senate does keep very accurate records of how each senator votes. Which can be checked online.

        However,as a Illinois Senator that did happen, not just for him but for several State Senators who wanted to block a vote on a bill...in Illinois voting "present" is the same as voting "no" without the hassle.

        The fact that he voted "present" in Illinois 129 times over 8 years, out of over a total 4,000 votes, is nothing more than a blip. You can also check that out on POLITIFACTS. It was given it a Half-true.

        Most of the 129 "present" votes were on issues dealing with minors in the justice system, or state budget financing.

        And you need to make the distinction between Illinois Senator and U.S. Senator. Which again shows you don't know exactly what you are talking about...but you are blindly having a knee-jerk reaction.

        August 23, 2011 at 3:32 pm |
    • Thelookingglass

      @dinak AKA, the pig boy, as in the racist pig boy! Question, who got your panties in a bunch?

      August 23, 2011 at 9:31 pm |
  3. jean2009

    So far he hasn't came close to the vacation record set by George W. Bush. Who currently holds the Presidential record for vacations. Look up-George Bush by the numbers.
    Vacationing Bush Poised to Set a Record
    http://www.washingtonpost.com › Politics

    It is the failed policies of the last president which caused the mess we are currently in...including being in the position to lose that triple A rating.

    I've seem plenty of those stimulus jobs in operation, several sites which are still going and some that are just starting. So in my location the stimulus has definitely not been a waste, it has been a blessing.

    President Obama seems to have accomplished many things...even with the stupid teabaggers to deal with.

    It is you, and your ignorant racism which is unacceptable.

    August 22, 2011 at 10:06 pm |
    • Jay in NC

      @Jean, You say " several sites which are still going and some that are just starting." Where, when? Name places Jean.

      August 23, 2011 at 10:34 am |
      • jean2009

        @ Jay I live near the capital of Ohio. It is fair to say any stimulus funds extended to any state that a large portion will go to that state's capital city. Driving the Columbus outer-belt means we will see ARRA signs. Driving north-south-east and west from Columbus means we see green Stimulus signs.

        However those signs are just a tip of the iceberg because stimulus funds have gone as grants to: airports for runway expansion, college building and research programs, water treatment facilities, solar and green energy research, for ARRA Federal Matching Medicare Relief, to local Public Health departments to make vaccines available at an affordable price, Also, funding went to keep police and fire services working, for transit authority grants, recycling solid waste...and even little things like pedestrian crosswalks and designated street bicycle lanes.

        If you are interested in schools here is a link to Ohio Counties and School districts that received ARRA grants for the second quarter of 2011.

        Go down the web page to REPORTS:
        ARRA-CY2011 2nd quarter-Report Jobs Created & Retained (8/1/11)
        ARRA-CY2011 2nd Quarter Awards & Distribution (8/1/2011)

        Schools are listed by district, county and dollar amount.


        Basically, all you need to do to find out where ARRA money is going for Ohio, and the most recent sites is type ARRA-funded construction and public private partnership 2011.

        Or simply: ARRA construction ohio 2011

        Did you feel the earthquake a few minutes ago? I did.

        August 23, 2011 at 2:55 pm |
    • joe

      Obama's vacations have cost the american Taxpayer big Bucks. the security alone is astronomical
      Bush Vacationed on his ranch security was fixed anbd not as costly
      Obama wants to play the roll of a big deal But hes a lying lowlive socalist that first and foremost goal is to get reelected
      God forbid we have to deal with that shithead 4 more years

      August 23, 2011 at 12:00 pm |
    • Howard

      Jean, and Liz Carter, join the list of women who display blind infatuation for losers ... just like the brain dead women who follow, correspond with, and even marry convicted serial killers ... like, Ramirez ... Manson ... and Bianchi. These women are addicted to unrequited love ... and, no matter how much reality exposes the objects of their affection to be undeserving ... they blindly defend, and slobber over these men, with all their might. If anybody has the audacity to question, or criticize their false gods, vile insults, and baseless accusations of racism are their knee jerk responses. The rest of society should pity these poor confused women ... while, at the same time, not fall into the same trap of ignorant bliss they have chosen. Besides, in this case, we are talking about who has the experience, judgment, character, and integrity to determine the survival of our children and our country ... and, the last two years have shown us how America's destruction can result from putting ultimate power over all of us, in the hands of an empty suit, with all style, and no substance, which has been created, and continually sold to the public, by a non-stop biased media.

      August 23, 2011 at 1:18 pm |
      • jean2009

        LOL! Sorry Howard, but it seems we are not the ones who are blind. Fact is you lost in 2008, and you are so blind you can't reason with it. You are still blindly defending your last false god. The last two years are not the problem it is the 8 failed years that came before...you are so blind you can't even deal with factual dates. So, far I haven't seen you pose even the simplest question...just your continual moan, whine, moan about the fact that you lost. .

        August 23, 2011 at 3:01 pm |
      • Thelookingglass

        Guest what Howard . . . And you guys all are going to lose again! Teehee!

        August 23, 2011 at 9:37 pm |
      • Pete

        oBAMA'S OUT IN 2012
        NO JOBS
        NO MONEY
        NO BUDGET

        Socalized medicine Obamadon'tcare

        August 24, 2011 at 8:49 am |
  4. joe

    Obama;s vacations are a security nightmare
    Bsh stayed on his ranch and security was fixed and had a normal cost
    Obama likes to play the big shot on someone elses money
    sort of like you lowlife liberals collecting off the goverment
    God forbid we have to have this moron Obama in office four more years the guys a disgrace and a total joke
    the worlf is laughing at us since we have Bozo the clown for president

    August 23, 2011 at 12:05 pm |
  5. Dawn620

    I wish our President would apply the following statement when dealing with domestic issues and not forget who's truly in charge of our great country – it's people!

    "As the leadership of the TNC has made clear, the rights of all Libyans must be respected. True justice will not come from reprisals and violence; it will come from reconciliation and a Libya that allows its citizens to determine their own destiny."

    August 23, 2011 at 4:37 pm |
  6. lisa lou

    I just read a very interesting article about Obama. His plans to use the race card to start riots during the campaign. Time will tell. you must read this. There are three parts to this interview.

    August 24, 2011 at 3:42 am |
    • harvey lowery

      i,m tired of people making false accusations about obama there is no more time for race card blacks,white,chinese,greek,jew whoso ever it,s time to come together and save the country every one must sacrifice rich,poor alike then we will grow

      August 27, 2011 at 3:53 pm |
  7. Pete


    August 24, 2011 at 8:45 am |
  8. Jo Jo

    President Obama deserves a million vacations after dealing with a bunch of morons in congress! I've never seen anything like these idiots he has to deal with on a daily basis. He has worked harder than any other president and has been criticized on every hand. President Obama is a mortal man that has the weight of the world on his shoulders and has a family of small children who deserves to spend quality time with them. So, to anyone who has a problem with him taking a vacation, why don't you try working 360 days a year for four years without taking a day off? The man is a saint to put up with all the negative crap that has been slung his way. After 2016, can't wait to read his book on how he really feels about the bigots and morons in congress! And yes, I'd vote for him a hundred times over before I cast a vote for anyone of the forerunners running under the republican party! God help us all if any one of them gets into office. Talking about dumbing down America.

    August 24, 2011 at 6:54 pm |
    • JohnRalph

      “The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America . Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their president.”

      August 25, 2011 at 8:29 am |
      • Dawn620

        Well said, JohnRalph. It's scary indeed that a man of Obama's character was ever elected in the first place.

        August 25, 2011 at 3:58 pm |
      • Jo Jo

        Your right about one thing and one thing only, the danger isn't Obama. It's the rednecks who believe this country belongs to only them. Take a good look at your tea baggers and some of the statements they have made like, "We want our country back". Back from where? As long as we have people who really believe this bunch of crap, this country will continue on its downward spiral. It's not the president who is bringing this county down; it's the idiots who are more concerned about someone's skin color than they are about helping the betterment of "real American" people and unfortunately, they have been unleashed in congress.

        August 25, 2011 at 7:03 pm |
  9. Dawn620

    Sorry, Jo Jo, but Obama hasn't done any more than any other President. Actually, he's yet to deliver on many of his Campaign promises. I guess he's too busy running for office. I'll be voting "NObama" in 2012 thanks to the huge racial divide he's created in our country and Obamacare. If he spends much more time in that office, America may never recover.

    August 24, 2011 at 7:10 pm |
    • Jo Jo

      The president did not create racial divisiveness. That has been a part of American fiber since the inception of slavery. His presidency just brought it to the forefront. And as far as him not getting things accomplished, how can he, when everything he has tried to do have been made a mockery of by tea baggers (rednecks) in congress. So, you tell me who really divided this country. It definitely wasn't the president because he has no control over his race but the racist in America should have control over their hatred for someone just because of their skin color!

      August 25, 2011 at 6:51 pm |
      • Jay in NC

        Yet you call them "tea baggers (rednecks)." You just prove the point that Liberals can be racist also.

        August 25, 2011 at 7:03 pm |
      • Jo Jo

        Jay in NC, I call them out as I see them. When you have members of Congress jumping on the birther band wagon like flies to dog droppings when they clearly know it's a lie, what do you call that? When you have a member of Congress interrupt the President of the United States by yelling "you lie" during the State of the Union address, what was that about? When you have live footage of government officials saying how they want this president to fail, what do you call that? When you have a presidential candidate whose "Romeycare" is actually working so the president decides to use it but now the originator denies he every had anything to with it because the president has his stamp on it, what is that? I could go on and on like the don't treaty on me signs waved by congress members during tea bagger rallies; wanting to secede from the union and not to mention all the "monkey" analogies referenced. So, if none of this has anything to do with his race, then you tell me what it has to do with. Please don't give me nonsense about him being white too because we all know "folks" don't see beyond his skin tone.

        August 26, 2011 at 12:00 pm |
  10. Liz Carter in Georgia

    Sorry Dawn620, you must have slept through these last almost 3 years, at least through the Christmas-time, I believe it's called 'lame-duck' session, when all of our elected Congressmen were off on their holiday vacations and Pres Obama stayed back in WASHINGTON, reading and signing 10-12 bills all by himself. He didn't even leave for his own Christmas holiday vacation until late Christmas Eve night, if my memory serves me right. Of course, all you folk want to do is repeal everything he's done so far!

    August 24, 2011 at 9:12 pm |
  11. Liz Carter in Georgia

    How can anyone in their right minds continue on with that LIE, that Pres OBAMA hadn't done anything; or he hasn't done anymore than any other PRESIDENT? YES HE HAS! By the simple reason that he came into office, with MORE to do than all of the other Presidents put together besides ROOSEVELT and maybe TRUMAN, during the first depression! And his term isn't even over yet; and you pathetics have been sabatoging, obstructing and bad-mouthing him ever since he put both of his feet into the OVAL OFFICE!

    August 24, 2011 at 9:23 pm |
    • C-Lo

      Liz, you are absolutely right, and it's one accomplishment we consevatives definately overlook, is the fact that he even made it to the White House. This just goes to show that ANY American with the right ambition can accomplish what they set their mind to, right up to leader of the free world, regardless of race, background (single parent family) or wealth. So he has proven that there are no longer external excuses for failure in this country, the only excuse is lack of ambition (not that other African Americans haven't proven that–Condi Rice, Justice Clarence Thomas, Colin Powell, but we can't cite them because they are conservatives).

      By the way, I hope Irene stays out to sea and spares all of you over there (doesn't look like GA is in much danger) and my thoughts and prayers are with you all out there.

      August 25, 2011 at 11:02 am |
      • C-Lo

        And let me further clarify–first I can see how some of you will point to this posting as "racist" because I've discussed specifically accomplishments of African Americans, and discussed "excusing." This was not meant to be race bating or anything else, but it seems so much of the discussions around here flood back in that direction. How it was intended is that based on these examples, people who had every reason/excuse/complaint to sit back, have had the "audacity of hope" to ignore those barriers and forge forward. I have two step-daughters who's mother (my wife) tends to be an appologist for them and some of the circumstances they have found themselve in. I have never let them get away with excuse making either when there is clear evidence, as supported by those I've cited, that with the right attitude anything is possible in this country. Nor do I deny that some (many) have significantly more and more difficult obsticles.

        August 25, 2011 at 11:18 am |
  12. Liz Carter in Georgia

    One more thing MS DAWN620, President Obama DID NOT create the racial divide in the country. It was already here; it was NEVER extinguished, OK? It was 'sshhusshed' and QUIETED DOWN, to covertness, rather than it's original state of overtness! Quiet as it was kept, don't even be fooled, it still existed. RACISM is so thick in AMERICA, one should wonder what REALLY happened to all of the civil and equal rights struggle resolutions, that were promised and made law. For many, equality is still far-fetched!

    August 24, 2011 at 9:37 pm |
  13. Liz Carter in Georgia

    I often wonder how he can be so disciplined and focused that he can ignore this EVIL, fly above it; not to even mention or acknowledge the blatantly obvious part it plays in the continual obstructive, treasonistic, insubordination, and biased behavior that has been waged against his total agenda or platform; against his wife and family; against his 'yes's and his 'no's'! I guess he doesn't want to give it any more POWER than it already has, so he's chosen to ignore it. The honest blind knows it's with us!

    August 24, 2011 at 9:51 pm |
  14. Liz Carter in Georgia

    @JO JO, You are dead on! I agree with you 100%. Yes, he does need a vacation from all of that daily hell he has to face. Those clowns DON'T WANT HIM TO STRAIGHTEN OUT THE NATIONS PROBLEMS! They want to keep it looking bad until after the election. That's all it is. GOP/TP: 'We can't let that N-word actually fix it, we can't let him win again'! SICK!

    August 24, 2011 at 9:59 pm |
  15. Dawn620

    Thanks to Obama our racial divide is cavernous. He'll do his best to play that race card as much as he can in this coming election, too.

    And you're so right . . . Looking forward to those repeals!

    August 24, 2011 at 10:20 pm |
  16. JohnRalph

    The Obamas' summer break on Martha's Vineyard has already been branded a PR disaster after the couple arrived four hours apart on separate government jets.
    But according to new reports, this is the least of their extravagances.
    White House sources today claimed that the First Lady has spent $10million of U.S. taxpayers' money on vacations alone in the past year.
    The vacation junkie, has been indulging in five-star hotels, where she splashes out on expensive massages and alcohol.
    Michelle is taking advantage of her privileged position while the most hardworking Americans can barely afford a week or two off work.
    'When it's all added up, she's spent more than $10million in taxpayers' money on her vacations.'
    His and her jets: The President and his wife, who are spending nine days on Martha's Vineyard, have come under fire for travelling on separate planes
    The First Lady is believed to have taken 42 days of holiday in the past year, including a $375,000 break in Spain and a four-day ski trip to Vail, Colorado, where she spent $2,000 a night on a suite at the Sebastian hotel.
    And the first family's nine-day stay in Martha's Vineyard is also proving costly, with rental of the Blue Heron Farm property alone costing an estimated $50,000 a week.
    The source continued: 'Michelle also enjoys drinking expensive booze during her trips. She favours martinis with top-shelf vodka and has a taste for rich sparking wines.
    'The vacations are totally Michelle's idea. She's like a junkie. She can't schedule enough getaways, and she lives from one to the next – all the while sticking it to hardworking Americans.'
    Travelling in style: Mrs Obama during her $375,000 trip to Spain last year
    While the President and his wife do pay for some of their personal expenses from their own pocket, the website whitehousedossier.com says that the amount paid by the couple is 'dwarfed by the overall cost to the public'.
    The President has already come under fire this week over his decision to take a family vacation while millions of Americans are out of work and countless more are financially strapped.
    Luxury break: The President and his family,in December, splashed out more than $1.5million on a Christmas holiday in Hawaii
    'Winter White House': The property in Kailua cost $38,000 to rent
    But the situation sparked further anger after he and his wife elected to fly separately to the Massachusetts retreat – despite travelling on the same day.

    August 25, 2011 at 1:32 am |
  17. Liz Carter in Georgia

    Why do you thank President Obama for the racial divide being cavernous? Do you mean to say it is more obvious now? Some Americans who were hiding it under the covers have pulled out all stops now? Some Americans are back out here on the battlefied of 'THE MOVEMENT', yet again, uncovering it, pointing it out, knocking it down? When and where did OBAMA play the 'race card'? Was it when he decided to run for Ooooh...President of the UNITED STATS? If he were WHITE, would there be a CAVERNOUS racial divide?

    August 25, 2011 at 8:02 am |
    • Pete

      Obama did not get elected because of his experience
      Obama got elected gor two reasons only
      1) he is Black
      2) he was a change from President Bush
      for all intent a clown could have run and gotton ellected
      Whell there you have it thats why we have bozo obama in the white House

      August 25, 2011 at 9:01 am |
  18. Dawn620

    Name calling? Really Jo Jo. So because we value the Constitution and what it stands for we're racist rednecks. So nice chatting with you.

    August 25, 2011 at 7:07 pm |
  19. Liz Carter in Georgia

    You go Jo Jo! You are exactly right! I agree 100%.

    August 25, 2011 at 11:04 pm |
  20. Liz Carter in Georgia

    Dawn620, Don't you think for one minute that you're THE ones who can claim that you value the 'CONSTUTION', because if you did, you all wouldn't be trying to change it, add to it, subtract from it, pick it apart to suit your agendas. So yours and Jays' remark to Jo Jo is a non-issue because the differentiation/separation of races was initiatiated before those 'descrptive' words evolved; and do you know who conjured them up? RED....S' and 'NIG...S'? White folks! Theyv'e given EVERY race a mean racist name!

    August 26, 2011 at 1:47 am |
    • Jay in NC

      White folks? Your president is also white, so you are talking about him?

      Liz, why are you so blind. You blame this on people only because of the color of their skin? That is racism. How do you know that a black person did not come up with the 'N' word. A lot of black rappers use it in their music. Toni Morison in Song of Solomon uses the word many times, you remember, The First Date's favorite first book. Maybe a long time ago a black man came up with the term as a cut for another black man. Saying that white people gave every race a mean racist name is racist on your part. Plain and simple.

      The irony of all of this is you say that redneck is a racist term, yet you defend Jo Jo of using it. What hypocrites. But then again you did once say that all black men work harder than white men and that it was OK to beat someone because they had red-hair and were a step-child. Hate is hate, black or white, racism lives in your heart.

      August 26, 2011 at 6:27 am |
  21. Liz Carter in Georgia

    Jo Jo; Isn't that the truth? Everything you just listed serves as proof to the deaf, dumb and blind that this whole howling, yelping, tail-wagging dog and pony show has been conjured up, under the 'sheets' of politics, and brewing in a vat of hate, biggotry and racism! We are not stupid, Jay! You can try and demonize me all you want! You've tried so hard to flip the script away from yourself and the rest of your ilk, but it's not holding water to the 'HONEST' posters on this blog or anywhere else. SAD!

    August 26, 2011 at 12:41 pm |
  22. Liz Carter in Georgia

    Jo Jo, the backstory on the statement I made months ago, when I made the comparison of saying black men have always had to work harder than white men, I meant it! I've seen it all my life. Jay, brings it up all the time to try to show me as racist for having the gall to call it out. He even adds extra words to my observational statement like 'ALL' blackmen work...'trying to incite hate and beligerency towards me from poor white laborers on the blog who, in fact MAY have to work pretty hard themselves!

    August 26, 2011 at 12:57 pm |
  23. Liz Carter in Georgia

    I made the observation in comparison to the way this same supremacy element is HANDLING this President! They want him tediously and laboriously WORKING 24/7 harder, longer, and in the worst, hatefilled obstructive atmosphere EVER! EVERYTHING he says or does gets a 'NO' anyway! He's a 'non-President' to 'them' under which there should be no security, no entourage, no traveling on Airforce or Marine One, no vacations EVER, if left up to 'them'!! No basketball, (maybe golf) no family/wife time! Just WORK N-wd!

    August 26, 2011 at 1:29 pm |
  24. Liz Carter in Georgia

    I was only giving my own general opinion of how I saw the same laborious expectations being WAGED right down to the first BLACK President of the United States; as if he's THE only one responsible for everything that has gone wrong and anything that may potentially go wrong! I know there are 3 branches of government and they all play a part in governing these UN-UNITED STATES, well up until recent anyway! Jay, he's the seed of an African Blackman, had he not been president, you'd NEVER have called him white!

    August 26, 2011 at 1:47 pm |
  25. Liz Carter in Georgia

    Jay, you've often tried to claim that 'racism' is in my HEART. NO! The ongoing side effects and so-called 'after effects' of it are in my HEAD! It still exists and I'm not fooled by no means by people like you who'd rather deny it than to claim it; thereby maybe hindering an honest to goodness, true dialogue to rise up from the still 'smoking cinders' of one of Americas' BIGGEST obstacles that continues to be used mostly 'covertly' against many minority AMERICANS! Now if that makes me racist, then so be it!

    August 26, 2011 at 2:32 pm |
  26. Liz Carter in Georgia

    BTW, about the notion that black peiple named our ownselves the N-word, laughable! LOL! Yes, we often referred and do refer to ourselves by the going titles that we are and were assigned such as 'negroes', 'coloreds', 'spooks', 'spades' and more often the BIG N-word, 'Nig**r. Some of us, as you've already mentioned, 'Rappers', have just in essence took that word, which was meant for continued degradation of the black AMERICAN and turned it into a 'GOLD MINE' of sorts! The supremast system truly hates that!

    August 26, 2011 at 3:24 pm |
  27. Liz Carter in Georgia

    Oh yeah, Jay, one more thing; Just as you like to announce that blacks call their ownselves the N-word, I wonder if you've ever watched 'SPRINGER', he shows us all, who calls who what? There have been whites on his show who called each other 'trailor park trash', 'rednecks', and a few other degrading names. Jeff Foxworthy, Larry The Cable Guy, and a few other white comedians make big money calling themselves and using the term 'redneck'. So you can drop the accusatory 'black on black' crime of N-wd remark!

    August 26, 2011 at 3:52 pm |
    • C-Lo

      Liz, gotta jump in here. The "n" word is a LOT more racially charged than "trailer park trash" or "redneck," least in these here parts. Trailer trash is more class warfare than racially charged. Redneck, maybe a little more so, but personally I'd much rather be a white guy being called a redneck than a black guy being called "N." And as proof, why are we ALL avoiding even typing out the full word? It's derived from a lot of european languages for the color black. It has taken on "special" meaning here in our culture because of it use. Doesn't make it any more right for a "rapper" to use it than anyone else, in my opinion. Further in doing so, it "legitmizes" it for others. I see it more the same way as a swastika...a legitimate symbol used by a lot of cultures until it became associated with Hitler. In 1925 a person wouldn't have thought twice seeing one somewhere, but after him, it's recognized almost exclusively as a symbol of hatred. And further, who are these rappers cashing in on using that in their "music?" I would say it's primarily from the black community. That's not a positive contribution to the furthering of MLK's "dream," would you agree? Maybe I'm wrong, but that's how I see it.

      August 26, 2011 at 4:25 pm |
    • Jay in NC

      A long time ago you said to me that "a hit dog hollers." Well, you sure have been hollering.

      August 26, 2011 at 4:54 pm |
      • C-Lo

        Actually, Jay, I remember that comment to you too, and I don't know if it was her or Jean, but the comment was "a hit dog doesn't holler," which I think was alluding to the fact that they feel like we are trying to beat them into submission so they stop "hollerin'." I'ts been my experience, that if you engage in dialog w/Liz there is room for constructive discussion, however she's pretty well got her mind made up on you.

        Jean, on the otherhand seems to be as snide as they come. 'Course that's probably from all the exercise she gets by jumping to conclusions, spinning the facts and running in circles plus surfing the 'net for any peace of information, no matter how random or its source, to back her claims. Liz's history at least gives her a background on why she feels the way she does. Jean must have spent too much time in the north 40.

        August 26, 2011 at 5:05 pm |
      • C-Lo

        And, by the way, "beat dogs don't holler" seems to be Jean's modus operendi.

        August 26, 2011 at 5:11 pm |
      • Jay in NC

        April 24, 2011 at 11:50 am
        Liz Carter in Georgia said "All I can say is hit dogs holler!"
        Here is the link.


        August 26, 2011 at 9:03 pm |
      • Jay in NC

        Also ...

        January 23, 2011 at 9:15 am
        "hit dogs holler"

        August 16, 2011 at 11:50 pm
        "we both know hit dogs holler don't we Jean! "

        June 3, 2011 at 12:45 pm
        " I do still see 'hit dogs holler', especially when they're trying to make a point stick."

        Do you need more proof?

        August 26, 2011 at 9:10 pm |
      • Jay in NC

        Notice how people like C-Lo will never come back and admit that they were wrong.

        August 28, 2011 at 7:50 am |
      • C-Lo

        Jay...I've admitted on a couple occations to being wrong, usually as it relates to misinterpretation of what others have meant. In so far as the quotes you went back and found...I hadn't seen them only the one as I remembered it, because I thought I'd misread it until she (Jean or Liz, though I think it was Jean) went on to describe what I understood to mean: if conservatives continue to "beat" liberals, they'll stop "hollering." Maybe I misread.

        Now, reading back through some of this, I'm pretty darn sure it was Jean using the form of the phrase as I remembered it. Oh, well, not worth debating I guess.

        August 29, 2011 at 11:26 am |
      • Jay in NC

        Searching google.com for ....

        dog jean2009 site:whitehouse.blogs.cnn.com

        I can not find a single post where Jean2009 she said anything about hit dogs.

        August 29, 2011 at 9:45 pm |
  28. Dawn620

    Springer? No wonder you're so angry! Springer is a moron who does as much as he can to promote the low life's of our country. And he makes a fortune doing it. Only in America.

    Liz, it's obvious you're angry. And, without knowing your situation, you may very well have a right to be. Somewhere along the line, you feel like you received a raw deal. It's a shame, and I would hope you would use that anger to do something constructive. Blaming white or black America won't solve a thing. Lobbying to enact legislation that supports your morals and values is what America is all about, and it's your Constitutional right and duty to let our government know when they are beyond their Constitutional bounds.

    Since your guy is in The House, now's the time to stop talking and go to work! America's the best place on Earth. Use your will to make it the best it can be for you!

    August 26, 2011 at 4:41 pm |
  29. Liz Carter in Georgia

    C-lo, Thanks! You may have a valid point, although I do stand by everything that I have posted right down to the fact that no matter who says what, who believes what, who continues to turn a blind eye and a deaf ear to the 'elephant' hiding in plain sight, Racism is also playing a BIG part in the handling and treatment of this President, professionally as well as personally, and that's what I've been studying as I watch his efforts, attempts and desires to revamp, overhaul, and fix AMERICAS' problems.

    August 26, 2011 at 8:51 pm |
  30. Liz Carter in Georgia

    C-lo, while I may agree with your point that the use of the N-word may not be viewed by some as a positive towards the furtherance of The Late Great Dr Martin Luther Kings' Dream for America, for the whole of America anyway; the point I was making is, some Black Americans, including authors, poets, and writers took that negative 'euro spinned' word and spawn it into something that could work positively for themselves, anyway! What was meant for bad, was turned into 'tolerable' for some of us economically!

    August 26, 2011 at 9:31 pm |
  31. Liz Carter in Georgia

    BTW, Dawn620, I only used his show as an example of how freely degrading names are called out by whites against one another, since it seems to some to be one of THE most 'heinous crimes' to hear blacks call each other the N-word! Hey, you never mentioned the others I named. Jeff Foxworthy and Larry The Cable Guy! Don't they get paid BIG BUCKS too? Are they morons? Who do they make most of their money off of? C-lo; who do you think they're cashing in on? It's primarily the white community.

    August 26, 2011 at 9:46 pm |
    • Dawn620

      There are many TV personalities cashing in on the ills of our society. Didn't feel like I needed to go through the list. They are all sickening. Oprah and Ellen are two that actually got it right and focus more on the positive than the negative trash out there.

      August 26, 2011 at 10:21 pm |
  32. Liz Carter in Georgia

    Oh, and I will continue to 'holler' until people get the message, that 'a house divided into itself will NOT stand'. From where I sit, I see the ONLY way we ALL will EVER be able to began as a totally 'diversified' nation "to do something constructive", "stop talking and go to work", is when we TRULY become 'ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL'. For me that also means when equality and opportunity ABOUNDS for each and every citizen who wants it, needs it and deserves it.

    August 26, 2011 at 11:42 pm |
    • Dawn620

      You forgot wants, needs, deserves, and WORKS for it. My own family complains they don't have the same opportunities as others. That's only because they never chose to educate themselves and/or work their butts off to get what they want. Collecting government cheeks never got anyone anywhere and it never will.

      August 27, 2011 at 12:03 am |
      • Dawn620

        *checks (sorry)

        August 27, 2011 at 12:07 am |
  33. Liz Carter in Georgia

    The negative trash is and has always been quilted into the AMERICAN pysche. We never got rid of it! Laws don't change hearts and mindsets, especially when they're just on the books and aren't truly being enforced for everyone! Until that 'negative trash' is truly and completely addressed, and put to 'death', not just put to 'rest' again like it was the last time, (that's why it was awaken) we as a nation will continue to drift and then shatter into so many little pieces! There's strength in family, 'ONE'!

    August 27, 2011 at 12:01 am |
  34. Liz Carter in Georgia

    Well you certainly are hollering Jay! Yes I said it!...so what? Do you think that I'm going to apologize for it...think again! I see it must be true..LOL! You've gone all this length to prove a point to C-lo didn't you? Trying to encite animosity and confusion; trying to evade and dismiss the points I'm trying to make into something not valid! Speaking of validity? I may not agree with C-lo on many of his posts, but he seems to have more sense in his little 'baby' finger than you do in your whole hand!

    August 27, 2011 at 12:21 am |
  35. Liz Carter in Georgia

    When I stated 'deserves', wouldn't that include people who WORKED for their styphens? Their retirement pensions, retirement social security checks, their WORKMENS compensation checks? If they became disabled while working, wouldn't they deserve a social security insurance (SSI) check, medicare/medicaid? If they were born physically or mentally disabled, couldn't work, don't they deserve SSI and some assistance from America: 'The best place on earth'? Or would you like us shipped to a 3rd World country?

    August 27, 2011 at 10:37 am |
  36. Dawn620

    You are putting words in my mouth, Liz. There are people in this country who feel that the government should just take care of them simply because they live here. I'm referencing perfectly healthy and able citizens such as those in my own family. Obviously, if you're disabled, you should receive whatever disability or Social Security you've paid into.

    August 27, 2011 at 10:43 am |
  37. Liz Carter in Georgia

    FYI, I'm not so disconnected that I don't understand and know that there are some Americans, whom because of a lack of education and proper preparation, and who by their own ill-decisions, by all intents and purposes, have chosen not to WORK. They have in essence, played a great part in the 'lot' they've acquired in life; but even in this group there are a great number who were NOT presented with an equal opportunity to advance themselves; justice was against them, so disappointment/self destruction set in.

    August 27, 2011 at 11:11 am |
  38. Dawn620

    Again, you are putting words in my mouth. I never you said you were disconnected. I don't even know you so I could never make that assumption. All I know is what I've lived with in my own life, and that consists of many people working "the system" because they can. When I was raised, I was encouraged to work the system every chance presented to me because they said I was "entitled" to it. Odds are, my family is just one of thousands with this mentality. This sort of mentality is expensive for the rest of the country.

    August 27, 2011 at 11:21 am |
  39. Liz Carter in Georgia

    So what do you propose we do? What do you say we do as the great nation we claim to be? Are we not our brothers' keepers? Shouldn't we 'go to work' on training, re-training, rehabilitating, encouraging, building self-esteem and self worth, offering up more fair and balanced opportunities those who missed their marks, for whatever reasons? After all this time, should we not be 'poised' to the inevitability of cleaning up our own backyard and our own citizens for a change? Finally? Health Education Welfare.

    August 27, 2011 at 11:42 am |
  40. Dawn620

    I guess this where we can agree to disagree.  Our country is already poised to deal with the issues you mention above.  I will admit that things aren't even close to perfect, but they never will be.  

    I do not see mandated health care as the answer to the issue.  I'm no expert, but from my perspective, it will only discourage enterprise, the excellent medical care we have to offer here, and the individual.  I want the bar higher.  I want people to be encouraged to reach up for what they want and need from life–not wait for another hand out.  The more we give away, the less motivated people become to do things for themselves, and the sooner we become dependent upon the government for everything.

    To offer an analogy:  I'm a parent.  As a parent, it's my job to make sure my kids are loved, housed, clothed, fed, etc.  But, a point comes in the child's life when you teach them how to feed themselves.  Then you teach them how to make a meal.  Then you teach them how to find a job . . . Save their money for a home, etc.  Eventually, it's no longer my responsibility to clothe, feed, and house the child.  If the child wants more out of her life, she should work harder to get it . . . Not ask me for the cash to get whatever it is she needs or wants.  

    These are my opinions from my perspective in life.  Obviously, you and I have very different perspectives.  But I hope our conversation would enable each of us to see our two sides of the story.  There are many more, I'm sure!  Ultimately, if the American people want to live in a country where they are taken care of by the government, then I will have to endure it or move.  For now, I'm fighting to keep the government out of my life as much as possible.

    August 27, 2011 at 12:52 pm |
  41. Liz Carter in Georgia

    Dawn, the first thing I'd like to say is, I was not putting words in your mouth. I didn't mean for you to think I was accusing you of saying I was disconnected; nor was I putting words in your mouth when I simply responded to your reminder to me that I forgot to say 'and WORKS for it'. I only explained the point I made 'deserves'. I asked you or questioned your deeper thoughts on the examples I laid out. Oh, I'm not a biological parent, but I have step-children with whom I participated in their raising.

    August 28, 2011 at 12:30 am |
  42. Liz Carter in Georgia

    I agree with you on the way you are raising your child to be ultimately responsible for her on lifes' fulfillment. I was raised the same way by paents who were raised the same way. If you read my posts comprehensively, you'd see that I also acknowledged that there were some Americans who were just satisfied with living on the government welfare; accepting the fact that there'd be no personal growth incurred or lifes' goals set; satisfied with just getting by! Everyone didn't have parents like you or mine!

    August 28, 2011 at 12:49 am |
  43. Liz Carter in Georgia

    That's why I made the observation of the need for America to start truly focusing on the training, re-traing, rehabing, encouraging them etc.; thereby bringing them around to a place where they may have a chance to be able to identify with the need to WORK, the importance of responsibility and self worth. Focus on this issue is terribly true for the 'unemployable', the drop-out gang-bangers, young mothers, the criminally convicted, the under-employed, the under-educated and others who flew under the bar.

    August 28, 2011 at 5:04 am |
  44. Liz Carter in Georgia

    corrections on misspells: paents should be parents, re-traing should be re-training. (sorry)

    August 28, 2011 at 5:19 am |
  45. Liz Carter in Georgia

    Jay, C-lo isn't obligated to have to come back, bowing down to you, Mr Almighty Blog Emperor, apologizing for what he thought I said! In reality he was attempting to agree with you already, saying he remembered such a statement from me to you, as he gave his view on why such a statement could have been made, period. Had he been correct in what he thought I said, his reasoning would have been dead on! So don't GLOAT to soon. I may have to use that one, because for many of us, 'doesn't holler' is also true!

    August 28, 2011 at 2:34 pm |
  46. Liz Carter in Georgia

    BTW, you may be one of those people you just described and here you are trying to put them down! I don't remember ever seeing you come back and admit you were wrong about a thing. You either keep arguing with the 'signboard' or you trapse on off to another thread on the blog, hopig to start up somethig up over there, never to look back. LOL!

    August 29, 2011 at 6:31 am |