High stakes for President Obama at the U.N.
FILE/President Obama gives a speech about Middle East Speech at the State Department on May 19, 2011
September 16th, 2011
07:02 PM ET

High stakes for President Obama at the U.N.

Washington (CNN) - As President Obama fights to keep the nation's focus on his jobs plan, a new crisis looms. He'll be thrust into a high stakes showdown over Palestinian statehood when the United Nations General Assembly gathers in New York next week. 

“The Palestinians will not, and cannot, achieve statehood through a declaration at the United Nations. It is a distraction, and, in fact, it's counterproductive,” said White House Press Secretary Jay Carney to reporters on Thursday. 

But it's going to happen - so says Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas. 

With peace talks stalled, Abbas insists he'll ask the UN Security Council to give Palestinians statehood status - which the Obama administration vows to veto. 

That could alienate Arab allies the United States desperately needs: allies who might question the President's commitment to freedom for all people in the region, given his strong stand during the Arab spring. 

“I think already diminished American credibility is going to be diminished further. There's no question about that. We are neither admired, feared, nor respected in this region,” said Middle East expert Aaron David Miller of the Woodrow Wilson Center in Washington, D.C. 

Exactly how the administration handles this diplomatic dance could also trigger a cascade of political troubles at home.

Democratic Congressman Eliot Engel of New York worries President Obama will lose some Jewish support because of his rhetoric on Israel. 

“I think there is the potential for being hurt in the next election if many Jewish voters perceive that the administration isn't standing foursquare behind Israel and that there is somehow a ‘blame both parties’ attitude,” Engel said.

Already there are signs of tension with the President's Jewish supporters, usually a reliable Democratic constituency.

Many were angered by President Obama’s speech last May suggesting controversial borders for a future Palestinian state.

Then there was the awkward meeting in which Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu lectured the President in the Oval Office. And this week a Republican won a longtime Democratic and heavily Jewish district in New York- that victory is seen in part as a rejection of the President's positions on Israel.

When it comes to Jewish voters, there is still uncertainty according to Rep. Engel.

“I do think that people are uneasy, they want to know the President feels it in his guts. And many people don't get that feeling,” the Congressman said.

Still, a majority of Jewish voters support the President. According to a recent Gallup poll, 54% approve of the job he’s doing, though that’s down from 68% earlier this year. It’s worth noting the Jewish vote is small part – just 2%  – of the overall electorate. Given the tough environment the President’s expected to face in 2012, he can’t afford to alienate any part of his base.

Topics: Middle East • The News

soundoff (239 Responses)
  1. Robert Schiele

    This should not be (but probably is) related to Mr. Obama's chances of retaining the Jewish-American vote in 2012. Instead it is a simple case of right and wrong. Mr. Obama is, in effect, telling the Palestinians that their only path to achieving statehood is via the process of negotiations with Israel, a process which the entire world (including Mr. Obama) knows very well has utterly failed. Israel has yet to negotiate with the Palestinians in good faith. Instead, they continued to build illegal settlements in the West Bank, despite the long-standing UN prohibition to do so, knowing full well that the West Bank is the only possible permanent home for the Palestinian people. In other words, Mr. Obama is telling the Palestinians they ought to keep doing what the entire world already knows hasn't worked, and is highly unlikely to work in the foreseeable future.

    I am not a fan of the Palestinians, per se. I have never been able to rid my mind of Palestinians gleefully firing guns in the air and dancing in the streets on the occasion of 9/11. Still, according to the original resolution which provided the legal basis for the foundation of the State of Israel, and backed by several UN resolutions since then, the Palestinians are entitled to their homeland. For Mr. Obama, or any other US politician, to continue to jerk them around as the Israelis have now done for many years, is morally repugnant and wrong–no matter what the impact on US domestic politics might be.

    September 16, 2011 at 7:17 pm |
    • old grunt from michigan

      And We the People give Israel $3,000,000,000 a year so they can live better than folks in the United States!

      September 18, 2011 at 12:21 am |
      • Howard

        With Obama destroying America's economy ... everybody, in every third world country will soon be living better than folks in the United States !!!

        September 19, 2011 at 1:15 pm |
      • George

        @Howard. Put a sock in it. I'm tired of the "Blame Obama Band Wagon". Blame Congress for a change.

        September 19, 2011 at 7:04 pm |
    • Michael T Murphy

      We have to ask ourselves, when understanding this problem, would we as Americans allow a people to occupy a part of this country say Wash D.C., who's only concern is to see us die as a people and a country. The Palestinian People have incur aged, harbored and financed the terrorist that attack Israel with rockets and bombs. Their President from the beginning was a leader of this movement.

      September 18, 2011 at 10:25 am |
    • Thinker23

      Negotiations with Israel are NOT the only path for achieving statehood but the BEST path to do it. The alternative is a UNILATERAL declaration of Palestinian statehoos which will automatically make the newborn Palestinian state AT WAR with Israel and will force the Palestinian leaders to make a choice between asking Israel for peace or face Israeli military actions designed to force the Palestinian leaders to beg for peace. The tale about "poor stateless oppressed Palestinians" will not work anymore.

      September 18, 2011 at 1:49 pm |
    • Howard


      September 19, 2011 at 1:13 pm |
      • Al

        You are a dumb *ss.

        September 19, 2011 at 2:56 pm |
      • George

        Internet Troll

        September 19, 2011 at 7:05 pm |
    • Organic dude

      Some people online are saying, the reason any president has to support the Jewish comunity is because the Federal Reserve is composed of jewish members and they practically run the country's economy. If a president ever decides to oppose the Federal Reserve they could very well end up like JFK.

      September 19, 2011 at 5:50 pm |
  2. Ice

    I don't understand why does Obama or for that matter any US president has to stand behind everything that Israel does! He is the president of UNITED STATES and Israel is NOT UNited States. He shoud do amd stand for whetever is best for USA and not what's necessarily in the best interest of Israel!! If some jews just won't vote for him just because he took or take any decision that is in the best inyterest of United than then hell with them!! They all should better move to Israel if there loyalities lies there!

    September 16, 2011 at 7:42 pm |
    • Marley

      The CHRISTIAN voters in the US – that's why!

      The Jews must be protected otherwise "Jesus" will be mad!

      That is why religions like Christianity are harmful to world peace.

      September 17, 2011 at 11:23 am |
      • Stan Laurel

        WHy is it that Christians will tolerate athiests, but athiests can not tolerate Christians ?

        September 17, 2011 at 1:12 pm |
      • Lil

        Your ignorance baffles me.

        September 17, 2011 at 1:27 pm |
      • old grunt from michigan

        All religions for the last 6,800 years has resulted in death and destruction for everybody involved!

        September 18, 2011 at 12:30 am |
      • oh yeah

        not the JW's

        September 18, 2011 at 12:54 am |
      • CandyT

        Look it is people who use religion not religion that is at fault. Think Teaparty who claim to be Christian yet cheer over someone with no health care dying. Wolves in Sheeps clothing.

        September 19, 2011 at 7:41 am |
      • Vanilla Gorilla

        Hey Marley !! Most of the Jews don't believe in Jesus and he is not part of their basic philosophy.

        September 19, 2011 at 3:33 pm |
    • Howard

      The Palestinians HATE America ... they danced in the streets, when 3,000+ innocent Americans were slaughtered on 9-11. Israel has been one of America's most loyal ally's. The Muslims are systematically trying to spread worldwide sharia law. You do the math ...

      September 17, 2011 at 12:16 pm |
      • Joe

        Obama's plan all along was to sell out the jews Obama loves the muslums HE is One!!!
        Obama is the worst mistake this country made as President since Jimmy Carter

        September 19, 2011 at 1:24 pm |
    • DENNA

      Ice, the world doesn't work that way. America long ago set itself up as the defender of the downtrodden. I am proud that we don't turn our back on other countries. We do, however, need to pay more attention to our own country, and Israelis living in America need to understand that.

      September 17, 2011 at 2:02 pm |
    • mikle

      Because Israel only one country that USA can trust. Only one real democracy in region.

      September 17, 2011 at 3:46 pm |
      • nosh

        it is the interest; with only iran remaining and no USSR, american interest in israel will soon disappear.

        September 17, 2011 at 4:26 pm |
      • Geminigirl

        Also the US needs Israel to be on its side as much as Israel needs the US to be on its side.

        September 18, 2011 at 8:53 pm |
    • Brenda Radcliffe

      It's the money, it's the money, it's the money from Jewish campaign donations. Fat chance of this changing.

      September 17, 2011 at 4:56 pm |
    • MabyeImStupid

      As the old Abba song goes: Money, money, money, its always money...

      AIPAC is well known to be the second most powerful lobby in the US (after the AARP). Funny how a agents of a foreign government is allowed to openly lobby congress. Can you imagine if Palestinians did that? I'm sure they have tried. Most other arab governments couldn't give a rats behind about Palestinians.

      September 17, 2011 at 10:01 pm |
    • old grunt from michigan

      And Israel has been stealing Palestinian land since we put them there in 1948.

      September 18, 2011 at 12:26 am |
      • mattan

        we? the same u.s. who placed an embargo on israel when it was created. you are taking too much credit. The french supplied fighter jets, they are due much more credit for helping to create the great, democratic, Jewish state, of Israel. In fact the only democracy in the middle east has not been created by the U.S. Iraq = failure, Afghanistan = failure, Egypt = failure, Lybia = will be another failure.

        September 19, 2011 at 8:08 am |
      • pepawjoe

        History proves that the only land Isreal takes is after the Palestinians, be it Syria, Egypt, Hezzbala, and others have forced Isreal to protect themselves militarially. E#ven then, Isreal gives back a great deal of these lands. The spoils of war are the property of he who wins a war. Grow-up old grunt, the Palestinians lose every time when they try to overrun the Nation of Israel.

        September 19, 2011 at 10:30 am |
      • Light In The Black

        Isreal withdrew from Gaza,
        and gave the Sinai back to Egypt
        Try again.

        September 19, 2011 at 12:22 pm |
      • jsmoulder

        The first day of Israeli statehood neighboring muslim states invaded and it took Israel several years to get them out.

        September 19, 2011 at 2:21 pm |
    • p

      Thank you, Ice. Well said

      September 19, 2011 at 5:15 pm |
  3. Drogo, who bit the dust

    By all means let all the Jews vote for Republicans.

    September 16, 2011 at 7:55 pm |
  4. Drogo, who bit the dust

    What is the purpose of the United Nations? It was originally a creature created by the United States. Things aren't going so well in the last few years with that notion.

    September 16, 2011 at 7:57 pm |
  5. scieng1

    The most anti-Jewish president in history, who has given money to those trying to kill Jews, and the Jews still support him?

    September 16, 2011 at 7:59 pm |
    • mb2010a

      He is not...

      September 17, 2011 at 7:47 am |
    • Howard

      As time goes on, and Obama's foolish, self-serving, and corrupt actions catch up with him, Americans are going to discover how this pretender has squandered even Billions, and Billions more of their hard earned tax dollars. And, after Obama finally leaves office, endless complicit relationships and cover-ups will come to light.

      September 17, 2011 at 12:20 pm |
      • Stan Laurel

        Amen ! The man operates like he is a two bit dictator. All the mess that his administration has done behind the scenes will take years to undo.

        September 17, 2011 at 1:15 pm |
      • Teeks

        Write a book about it, I am sure you have enough proof to make the world believe you.

        September 17, 2011 at 1:18 pm |
      • TxJim

        As time goes on, and Obama's foolish, self-serving, and corrupt actions catch up with him, Americans are going to discover how this pretender has squandered even Billions, and Billions more of their hard earned tax dollars. And, after Obama finally leaves office, endless complicit relationships and cover-ups will come to light.

        When you said billions and billions.. you mean like when he started the Iraq war which was a net gain of zero and 4000+ lives lost for the US..

        If you studied history at all then you would know that after EVERY presidency things come to light that were covered up.. this is why its called history.. people look at things more objectively after time has passed...

        September 18, 2011 at 8:09 am |
      • Light In The Black

        *** Billions, and Billions

        Isnt carl Sagan dead ?

        September 19, 2011 at 12:26 pm |
      • David Lopan

        Your seething little comments couldn't be more lame.
        Really – as soon as Obama leaves 'all his coverups will come to light'. That's so enlightening, particularly since up to now, this has probably been the most scandal-free presidency in memory – and that's while he's managing more crises than any president since FDR and with legions of paranoid and delusional people like yourself dogging him every second of the day. Shouldn't you be standing on a corner somewhere with your little birther sign and tea bag hat?

        September 19, 2011 at 2:58 pm |
    • mikle

      He is very much so.

      September 17, 2011 at 3:47 pm |
    • MabyeImStupid

      Come on... a thousand times a very small number is still a very small number. Compare money given to Israel vs money given to those "kill jews". I would love to see the numbers, you know it too. You know darn well it was porbably given as anything but military aid, while Israel gets a lot of money in weapons and other military aid, gee, I wonder who they are going to kill with it? I wonder who those people will blame.

      September 17, 2011 at 10:09 pm |
    • Dreamer96

      You should listen to the Nixion Tapes,,,,including conversations with Billy Graham...LBJ said a few thinks too,,,,

      September 17, 2011 at 10:36 pm |
  6. Notfooled

    The President is clearly on Israel's side so I don't know what the problem is with the Jews. People should not vote for a candidate strictly on one subject –they should vote for who has the majority of their interest at heart. We are voting for the people of America not Israel. It is the people of America who need jobs, Social Security and Medicare and Medicaid. Keep that in mind when you vote.

    September 16, 2011 at 8:31 pm |
    • Wood

      Thank you.. people are ridiculous.. "Anti-Israeli"? Are you kidding?

      September 17, 2011 at 1:42 am |
    • mominpa

      This president is not "clearly" on Isreal's side. He may say so now since loosing the jewish vote in NY at the special election. He also provided no new jobs plan. Get real and pay close attention to the "politics" he plays to garner 2012 votes. We'll be seeing alot of it.

      September 17, 2011 at 9:14 am |
      • Marley

        You realize that there isn't much a gov't or even the private sector can do to stimulate jobs growth right?

        Here are the list of things that can be done:
        1. STIMULUS SPENDING – infrastructure, training, education, and investments in new industries
        2. Tax policies – during a recession cut taxes, during a boom raise taxes => controls DEMAND and INFLATION
        3. Invade a country for its resources – like OIL => increase SUPPLY allows for increase competition and lowers prices

        The GOP puts their eggs in with #2 and #3. The DEMS put their eggs in with #1 and #2.

        That's pretty much all you can do with a jobs plan.

        September 17, 2011 at 11:32 am |
      • Howard

        This president will throw anyone under the bus, if it feeds his ambition.
        The Palestinians HATE America ... they danced in the streets, when 3,000+ innocent Americans were slaughtered on 9-11. Israel has been one of America's most loyal ally's. The Muslims are systematically trying to spread worldwide sharia law. You do the math ...

        September 17, 2011 at 12:17 pm |
      • Ryan

        You watch Fox News, Don't you?

        September 19, 2011 at 5:23 pm |
  7. Larry C. Wilson

    The U.S. has been in the pocket of Israel since Harry Truman.

    September 16, 2011 at 8:48 pm |
  8. DA

    I don't get why the US has to be so wrap up in Israel!! I have never seen a race other than the Aryans who think they are so entitled!!! OMG!!!! I mean don't get me wrong I am sympathetic to what happen to them with the Holocaust. But they will never get any peace over there with their continued oppression of the Palestinians.

    September 16, 2011 at 8:50 pm |
    • Stan Laurel

      Another clueless media minion.
      The only Palestinians that are opressed are those that hang out with the ones lobbing rockets and bombs around.
      Do some research before you spout your mouth off.

      September 17, 2011 at 1:19 pm |
    • Joepub

      Wow, that comment sure smacks of racism.

      September 19, 2011 at 4:53 pm |
  9. icy

    if he does veto i will be surprised.

    September 16, 2011 at 8:51 pm |
    • EL

      Dear Ici,
      For your own good, remain sitting down.

      September 19, 2011 at 11:17 pm |
  10. Liz Carter in Georgia

    @sieng1, from where did you come up with that assumption? "Most anti-Jewish President in history"?!? You say OBAMA has given money to people who's trying to kill JEWS! Well, if that's the way you'd like to view it, that's your choice. Furthermore, if what you said carried any weight, I know he isn't the first President to do so! AMERICA buys friends! However, if that were true, what does that say to you that JEWS are STILL supporting him? You may need to re-think or research that 'smoke-screened' lie!

    September 16, 2011 at 9:01 pm |
  11. patricia

    Everyone has the right to 'their own' country!

    September 16, 2011 at 9:04 pm |
  12. Thomas

    The U.S. pursuit of offshore tax evaders is widening to include Israel, where U.S. authorities are scrutinizing three of Israel's largest banks over suspicions their Swiss outposts helped American clients evade taxes, people briefed on the matter said.

    The banks under scrutiny by the U.S. Justice Department's criminal tax division are Bank Hapoalim, Bank Leumi le-Israel BM and Mizrahi-Tefahot, the sources said.

    The shift to Israel from Switzerland, for years the main focus of the Justice Department's campaign against offshore private banking secrecy, signals the broadening of a landmark probe by the agency that began in 2007 with UBS AG, Switzerland's largest bank.

    September 16, 2011 at 9:10 pm |
  13. SiriusVH

    Why do some American Jews place their loyalty to Israel above their loyalty to America? America's strategic interests do not always and fully coincide with those of Israel. Is it that difficult to understand?

    September 16, 2011 at 9:21 pm |
    • len

      totally agree. i look at israel the same way irish americans view ireland. a nice country, with great culture.but we live here in america. i'm also jewish

      September 16, 2011 at 11:08 pm |
    • ben

      I'm Jewish and I always place America first. So do the overwhelming majority of my family members and every Jewish friend I have. I gotta say a lot of them are leaning towards voting Republican in 2012, but that's because of the economy. Polls should ascertain why Jewish voters may be moving right.

      September 17, 2011 at 1:14 am |
    • EL

      Mr SiriusVH
      I respect and support the idea of America First and even the fact of our country's foreign policies not having to coincide always with those of Israel.
      However, American Jews are not necessarily placing Israel's loyalty above our country; perhaps as Americans themselves they want to make sure events like 9/11 never occur again in our soil.
      So when you ask what part is so difficult to understand, I couldn't help but ask you:
      Do you want American Jews to remain silent, or worse, support Hamas, a terrorist organization (classified as such by our own State Dept) or the likes of Al Qaida, the Taliban, Iran, Syria or North Korea to name just a few?
      How quickly we forget who the enemy is.

      September 17, 2011 at 1:22 am |
    • dylan42_3

      Good point F&F

      September 17, 2011 at 1:23 am |
  14. Liz Carter in Georgia

    All of these 'cons are so full of crap, lies and propaganda! Good post Notfooled. How are you doing? I lost my oldest brother in July, who helped me with my mother; to keep her in the family home. As a relief to me, she was taken to FT WAYNE right after the funeral, to be cared for by my younger brother and his wife, but has mentally deteriorated much more, and now become physically disabled. She has been placed in 'hospice' in his home now. I thank GOD HE allowed me my mother this long; 94 years!

    September 16, 2011 at 9:21 pm |
    • Jay in NC

      Liz, noticed how you try and degrade the word Conservative by calling them cons. You do know that the prefix con means
      together. Just think, every time you do this the world sees your ignorance.

      September 17, 2011 at 11:28 am |
    • Stan Laurel

      Must be a relative of Jimmy Carter, another famous Jew hater.

      September 17, 2011 at 1:20 pm |
  15. George

    We must support Israel. The Palestinians will not, and cannot, achieve statehood through a declaration at the United Nations. If it's passed then we should kick the United Nations out, besides it is costing our country millions of dollars to maintain it.

    September 16, 2011 at 9:41 pm |
  16. Larry L

    This is no more a Jewish nation than a Christian one. Those of you who want to fight for Israel can buy a ticket and fly to Tel Aviv tomorrow. The same goes for the Muslim states. Want to die for Allah? Great. Just don't ask any more Americans to give our blood or our money. We've had too many Americans die because some religious lobby pumps money into politicians coffers. Die for your own cult but quit trying to run our government.

    September 16, 2011 at 9:46 pm |
    • Mia70

      well said

      September 16, 2011 at 10:39 pm |
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    September 16, 2011 at 9:47 pm |
  18. John Brown

    Why we have to always support Israel anyway? do we owe them money? What is it on US contitutions say that US must support Israel?

    I just don't get it!

    We saved them under Germany! It's their obligation to support US!! Not the other way around.

    We tell them to do what we want. They owe us something that they can't never able to pay us back! It's their freedom and the state of Israel.

    September 16, 2011 at 9:55 pm |
    • EL

      Dear Mr Brown,
      In today's world, the existance of the State of Israel is in a great deal a reflexion of their alliance with our country and will forever be thankful and deeply loyal to us; however, history tells us America goes back to 1776. The Jewish people have been around for over 5000 years. As much as I don't want to be around when the US is no longer number one, let us not conclude the Jewish people will cease to exist.

      September 18, 2011 at 1:49 am |
      • Geminigirl

        Agree with you, EL.. I am not Jewish, but will always have an affinity to Israel and its people. And I would remind our good president that Israel has been a long-time ally, and to not let those who wish us ill get in the way of that special relationship...

        September 18, 2011 at 9:08 pm |
  19. Shira

    We may be only 2-3% of the American population, but we VOTE. The same cannot be said of every demographic.

    September 16, 2011 at 10:16 pm |
  20. jahmed

    No one is trying to run your country queer...

    September 16, 2011 at 10:17 pm |
  21. Brian

    If people think obama has a Jewish voter problem now... just wait until he screws Israel at the U.N this week

    September 16, 2011 at 10:54 pm |
    • len

      either your loyalty is 100% to israel, or 100% to the u.s. and if they are so loyal to israel, why is it from n.y., california, or illinois

      September 16, 2011 at 11:11 pm |
    • mb2010a

      And just how is he going to do that...?

      September 17, 2011 at 7:51 am |
    • Light In The Black

      The president has said he will veto any move for a Palestinian state,
      guess you cant read.

      September 19, 2011 at 12:31 pm |
  22. Liz the First

    I think it's high time American Jews started being more concerned about what is happening to America than to Israel. If they honestly think this country would be better off under the rethugs, they're crazy. if it's right and good for the Jews to have a state, it's only fair for the Palestinians to have their own state, too.

    September 16, 2011 at 10:59 pm |
    • Aaron

      Well said. They're coming across as hyphenated Americans concerned more with other countries than the U.S.

      September 17, 2011 at 12:03 am |
      • EL

        Mr. Aaron,
        Our own government is concerned about Iraq and Afghanistan at the tune of over a Trillion Dollars. Does that mean they are also coming accross as hyphenated Americans ?

        September 17, 2011 at 12:41 am |
    • EL

      Dear Liz,
      Do I understand correctly you believe a government run by Hamas has the right to have their own state ? What's next? The Taliban, or perhaps Al Qaida ?

      September 17, 2011 at 12:35 am |
      • Stan Laurel

        Based on "Liz the First" it sounds like she would like to rule her own country.

        September 17, 2011 at 1:24 pm |
      • Ryan

        In my opinion, It is right for anyone with long standing ties to a particular region to have some sort of authority over it. Who are we to shape the world outside of America, if not thugs and tyrants ourselves. It seems we have become a bit too involved in other peoples' problems and it's costing us too much money and soldiers' lives. But it is Human nature, I suppose, to feel entitled to whatever we want (oil, "allies," land, etc.) So why do you think the Palestinians hate America? It isn't because we have nice cars and Flat Screen TV's, it's probably because we gave them the boot told the Jews that they could have their "Promised land." (like WE had any right to do so.)

        September 19, 2011 at 5:39 pm |
    • CoCo in CA

      Well said !!!!! President Carter, in the interview with Rachel Madow, confirmed that Israel does not adhere to the peace agreement signed under Carter. If you are an American citizen then keep the US interests in line first. If you do not, then move to Israel to defend her interests. Do not bite the hands which feed you. I am a naturalized immigrant and I like to know why the US defend Israel unconditionally even at the cost of thousand of American lifes. Why does Israel think that she is the only one to be a state and not the Palestinians? Israel cannot oppress Palestine and plays the victim. The American people are sick to see the Jewishes demand our loyalty. "It takes two to tango."

      September 17, 2011 at 5:52 am |
      • EL

        Yes CoCo, it takes two to tango, but apparently it only takes one radical terrorist group to strike at us.

        September 18, 2011 at 2:44 am |
      • Light In The Black

        **** why the US defend Israel unconditionally even at the cost of thousand of American lifes

        Why do people make up stuff
        why do people lie
        why do people say ignorant things ???
        Beats the heck out of me.

        September 19, 2011 at 12:33 pm |
  23. hhkeller

    Either way the Israeli occupation is over next month. It will be illegal for them to use their military against 3 million Palestinians. Hope President Obama has the balls to reject the Israeli Lobby and NY Democratic threats and get on the right side of history.

    September 17, 2011 at 12:04 am |
    • Stan Laurel

      I'm sure the obligation to protect edict will come out in the UN this week. Watch out Israel, think Libya 2.0.

      September 17, 2011 at 1:25 pm |
    • Thinker23

      I ave some news for you. It is PERFECTLY LEGAL to occupy enemy territory during a war as well as use force against it.

      September 18, 2011 at 1:51 pm |
    • Light In The Black

      Its also illegal to launch rockets at civilians
      and blow people up on busses.
      Tag....your it.

      September 19, 2011 at 12:36 pm |
  24. Annie Rand

    You're right scieng1. Any US president who doesn't do exactly what Israel wants is committing political suicide. If Obama was smart he'd just give them their money and shut up. Obviously, he doesn't get it.

    September 17, 2011 at 12:18 am |
    • Thinker23

      I wonder how stupid the Jew-haters must be to believe in the tale about the "God Chosen people" having the supernatural powers to rule the US and the rest of the world.

      September 18, 2011 at 1:54 pm |
  25. usualone

    Jewish people are taught to think for themselves. It is presumptious to think that most American Jews put Israel before the USA. This President strives for cooperation between different groups of people. He wants compromise too. Sadly, the way the world is today that is really hard to achieve.

    September 17, 2011 at 12:20 am |
  26. norma wilkinson Long Beach Cal.


    September 17, 2011 at 12:26 am |
    • ben

      You do realize that all of your letters are capitalized, right?

      September 17, 2011 at 1:16 am |
    • Light In The Black

      6 year old morons shout.

      September 19, 2011 at 12:37 pm |
  27. Thomas

    NEW YORK (CNNMoney) - New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg is worried that high U.S. unemployment could lead to the same kind of riots here that have swept through Europe and North Africa.
    "You have a lot of kids graduating college, [who] can't find jobs," said Bloomberg, during his weekly radio show on Friday. "That's what happened in Cairo. That's what happened in Madrid. You don't want those kinds of riots here."

    No one is talking about the 250,000 Israeli's who are marching against in-equality, high cost of living and disparity between rich and poor. Why is that?

    Thank you Mayor Michael Bloomberg , your insight and concern is just !

    September 17, 2011 at 1:03 am |
  28. reailty

    Obama is a Nazi who supports ethnic cleansing of Palestinians.

    September 17, 2011 at 1:12 am |
  29. reailty

    Obama is Muslim hater who supports ethnic cleansing of Palestinians.

    September 17, 2011 at 1:14 am |
  30. Marley

    If you are an US citizen, you are an AMERICAN first!

    You need to worry about what is best for the US, not what is best for Israel.

    The Netanyahoo's admin purposely slapped the US in the face when they embarrassed the US during VP Biden's visit to Israel.

    They were clearly trying to test the Obama's administration to see if Obama will do their dirty work like past US presidents.

    So all Obama did was slap Netanyahoo right back! That is leadership.

    Anybody with a half-brain knows that Israel does not need to obtain peace with the Palestinians. Israel's peace is already guaranteed by the US! Other then the demise of the Palestinian state, the status quo is the best possible scenario for Israel, and Israel wants to maintain it.

    All the Israel politicians do is put on show for the Christians in this country to trick them into believing that the problem is with the Palestinians.

    It's time to put those silly religious books away. Your "God(s)" are not real!

    But people are real. And this planet is real. And we are sick and tired of being held hostage to you silly wars over "God(s)"!

    Israel is clearly more powerful than the Palestinians. The power for true peace thus lies with Israel. If Israel truly wants a two-state solution, they have the power to make it happen.

    September 17, 2011 at 1:17 am |
    • EL

      would you make a "peace treaty" with your neighbours when they have it written all over their walls (in this case Hama's own constitution) they don't recognize your right to exist, and they want to kick you out of the neighborhood ?

      September 17, 2011 at 1:43 am |
    • Stan Laurel

      Marley, either you are too educated for your own good, or just plain ignorant.
      Hama does not want a two state solution. They on want the destruction of Israel and the death of all Jews.

      September 17, 2011 at 1:28 pm |
    • Thinker23

      Marley: What is best for the US is not necessarily what is best for Al Qaeda and Hamas. Further, there are three ways to end a war and achieve peace. One is to WIN the war and force the enemy to surrender. The other is to LOSE it and allow the enemy to destroy your country and kill its citizens. Finally, the third way is to NEGOTIATE a peace agreement. Israel can not afford to LOSE the war. This means that the Palestinians (NOT Israel) must choose one of the two remaining options.

      September 18, 2011 at 2:00 pm |
    • Thinker23

      Marey: Israel definitely HAS the power to make the two-state solution happen. Do you WANT Israel to use its power to make it happen against the will of the Palestinians?

      September 18, 2011 at 2:02 pm |
  31. EL

    The White House is correct on those three counts:

    The PA will not achieve statehood (US veto)

    It is a distraction (yes, they will get some "status" , but not statehood)

    It is counterproductive (why do you want to associate yourself with Hamas, a terrorist organization, especially just a week after the tenth anniversary of 9/11 ?


    September 17, 2011 at 1:56 am |
  32. brad

    In my opinion israel has become to america what north korea is to china...a spoiled kid constantly attacking its neighbors know big brother (us and china) have there backs...I hope palestine becomes a state so other countries csan support them against israels bullying land grabing butts....think how we would react if cuba took florida away for there own safty and bombed the state and starved it ???? We would take action to get florida back and that's all palestine is doing in this case

    September 17, 2011 at 2:14 am |
    • EL

      Dear Brad,
      Be careful for what you ask.
      Countries controlled by governments like Hamas are at the center of tragedies such as 9/11.
      I'm sure we all rather have, including you, a "spoiled kid" like Israel to bitch about than a Neighbour gaining independence like North Korea.

      September 18, 2011 at 2:23 am |
    • Light In The Black

      ******** brad

      In my opinion israel has become to america what north korea is to china...a spoiled kid constantly attacking its neighbors know big brother (us and china) have there backs...I hope palestine becomes a state so other countries csan support them against israels bullying land grabing butts....think how we would react if cuba took florida away for there own safty and bombed the state and starved it ???? We would take action to get florida back and that's all palestine is doing in this case

      Wrong in so many ways.
      The UN handed the Isrealis, and "Arabs" (No such thing as a palestinian) a state.
      Isreal accepted, Arabs refused.
      Arabs attacked and lost.
      Land grab ?? How about Isreal left Gaza, and gave the Sinai back to Egypt.......F A I L !!
      Gaza is NOT starving, in fact most of them are overweight (Red cross).

      Your hatred for Isreal has clouded your eyes to the facts.

      September 19, 2011 at 1:04 pm |
  33. Ddp

    If the Jews are so mad at Obama they should move to Israel and stay there and vote there Nobody is gonna try to stop them.

    September 17, 2011 at 2:15 am |
  34. Jon G.

    As a Jew, I am VERY tired of my brothers & sisters claiming that the President is "screwing" Israel, or "throwing it under the bus." He has neither said nor done ANYTHING that Presidents before him didn't propose, not to mention that previous Israeli administrations have agreed to. Any Jew that believes otherwise is denying facts.

    September 17, 2011 at 3:18 am |
  35. arizonaguy

    Personally I would have more respect for him if he stepped away from Isreal. We have given them millions in aid and we are no better off than we were 30 years ago. Palestine has a right to the holy lands as much as Christians and Jews. Recognize the Palestinian State and work with Jews and Muslims on bounderies and equal access to the holy sites in Jerusalem and throughout Israel.

    September 17, 2011 at 3:34 am |
    • EL

      Mr. Arizonaguy,
      next time you go through a metal detector at an airport, picture yourself walking down the holy land caring an American Flag when and if Hamas has a share of it. Good luck.

      September 18, 2011 at 2:57 am |
  36. Kailim

    It is obvious that the US government tended to creat dilemmas which end up with no proper solutions. The Israel and Palestine situation is a classic example. The US helped reincarnating Israel conquered and decimated by Romans 2000 years ago after WW2, the immediate result was Palestinians living there for about 1500 years became refugees at their own home turf right afterwards. Everybody of course has the right to exist and to have a nation.regardless of religion, race, skin color etc. At present therefore to recognise Palestine as a nation will certainly further complicate the issue, but not to is absolutely inhumane.
    Another example is China. The US government broke the diplomatic tie with Republic Of China or Taiwan whatever you like to call it, and admitted the People's Republic Of China to the UN and its security council during late 70s. Now both sides of the strait do not content with the arm sales to Taiwan. The PRC considers it fundamentally unacceptable of intevening China's domestic affairs, while Taiwan regards the arms package too lean for their defense purpose.
    All governments should study this carefully to avoiding this.

    September 17, 2011 at 6:24 am |
  37. atlnative

    Please note that the segment of Jews this article is talking about is primarily made up of Orthodox Jews, many of whom are just as right-wing as the evangelists. This Jew is horrified that they voted in a Repub, but I heard last night that the race actually had more to do with the Muslim Community Center near Ground Zero issue. Because frankly, one Congressman's views on Israel won't make a hill of beans' difference to Obama. Obama is NOT anti-Israel, but he IS a realist.

    September 17, 2011 at 6:40 am |
  38. Realpolitech

    This should be an interesting week! The issue of Statehood for the people of Palestine is a critical Political, Religious and Diplomatic issue.


    September 17, 2011 at 8:37 am |
  39. Realpolitech

    •This should be an interesting week! The issue of Statehood for the people of Palestine is a critical Political, Religious and Diplomatic issue.
    Please navigate to the site glennbeck dot com; in the search function type the word cornerstone. There is an interesting article from the 17th of May

    September 17, 2011 at 8:38 am |
  40. Realpolitech

    This should be an interesting week! The issue of Statehood for the people of Palestine is a critical Political, Religious and Diplomatic issue.
    Please navigate to the site glennbeck dot com; in the search function type the word cornerstone. There is an interesting article from the 17th of May

    September 17, 2011 at 8:39 am |
  41. Realpolitech

    This should be an interesting week! The issue of Statehood for the people of Palestine is a critical Political, Religious and Diplomatic issue. Please navigate to the site glennbeck dott com; in the search function type the word cornerstone. There is an interesting article from the 17th of May 2011. Thanks

    September 17, 2011 at 8:42 am |
  42. Realpolitech

    This should be an interesting week! The issue of Statehood for the people of Palestine is a critical Political, Religious and Diplomatic issue. Please navigate to the glennbeck website; in the search function type the word cornerstone. There is an interesting article from the 17th of May 2011. Thanks

    September 17, 2011 at 8:43 am |
  43. Realpolitech

    This should be an interesting week! The issue of Statehood for the people of Palestine is a critical Political, Religious and Diplomatic issue. Please navigate to the glennbeck; in the search function type the word cornerstone. There is an interesting article from the 17th of May 2011. Thanks

    September 17, 2011 at 8:44 am |
  44. Realpolitech

    This should be an interesting week! The issue of Statehood for the people of Palestine is a critical Political, Religious and Diplomatic issue.

    Please navigate to the site glennbeck dot com; in the search function type the word cornerstone. There is an interesting article from the 17th of May

    September 17, 2011 at 8:46 am |
  45. Realpolitech

    This should be an interesting week! The issue of Statehood for the people of Palestine is a critical Political, Religious and Diplomatic issue. Please navigate to glennbeck; in the search function type the word cornerstone. There is an interesting article from the 17th of May 2011. Thanks

    September 17, 2011 at 8:48 am |
  46. Realpolitech

    This blog is interesting

    September 17, 2011 at 8:49 am |
    • Thinker23

      Actually, it is NOT interesting anymore... YOU've posted the same statement 18 times in a row and made it EXTREMELY boring.

      September 18, 2011 at 2:15 pm |
      • Geminigirl

        You made me laugh out loud with that one!

        September 18, 2011 at 9:21 pm |
  47. mominpa

    What scares me the most is the lack of foresight and ignorance posted here by americans. Obviously, all concerned about their welfare first and not at all understanding as to how this current administration has played part in the unemployment. Let us become socialized like Obama wants and see how the 50% who pay no taxes like it when they have to pay as in Canada. The rich of this country already pay more than anyother nation! Don't support Isreal and see what really happens. They are our only ally in the middle east and yes we need them as much as they need us. Obviously, no one here has spent time recently in the war zones to know the truth and you won't read it on CNN. If americans continue to feel they are entitiled, we will head down the road of England's austerity program and riots, France's riots , Greece's bankruptsy and Germany's struggle like the US. You can't continue to give away what we don't have!

    September 17, 2011 at 9:25 am |
    • MabyeImStupid

      How many US bases in Israel? I can name a half dozen countries around Israel that have US bases. Top secret U2 and SR71 bases were in Turkey. "only ally" seems a bit strong. That fact that US gives more money to Israel than any other country in the world would mean that Israel should be loyal to the US, no? Egypt was #2, but only since they signed a peace treaty with Israel. Odd? Not really...

      September 17, 2011 at 9:52 pm |
    • TxJim

      Most people who dont pay taxes arent aware they dont pay taxes.. They will only be aware when they dont get a refund..

      September 18, 2011 at 7:59 am |
  48. panterazero

    so the White House press secretary says that the Palestinians will not, and cannot, achieve statehood through a declaration at the United Nations. Except – isn't that the way Israel did it, 60-some years ago? And if I recall correctly, there was plenty of objection to that at the time too…

    September 17, 2011 at 10:57 am |
    • EL

      Mr Panterazero,
      yes, there was plenty of objection.
      But once and for all lets make something clear: 60 some years later the objection is not the Palestinian people per se; but the terrorist organization that unfortunately represents them in the Gaza strip called Hamas.
      And if someone tells me they were elected "democratically",

      September 19, 2011 at 11:47 pm |
      • EL

        so was Saddam Hussein

        September 19, 2011 at 11:52 pm |
  49. old grunt from michigan

    Israel keeps stealing land, if they stole my land like gangsters I would do the same or worse than the Palestinians or possibly most likely worse! They have stealing land since We the People put them there in 1948, please President Obama stop this travesty, it is creating a huge amount of resentment with our Arab brothers all over the world, you will do fine without than 2% in 2012.....!

    September 17, 2011 at 11:13 am |
    • Thinker23

      Most CIVILIZED people who's land was stolen woud PRODUCE THE LEGAL DEEDS proving that the "stolen" land belongs to them and would take the thieves to court instead of trying to murder innocent civilians. Do YOU consider yourself CIVILIZED? If you so you would ask the Palestinians to SHOW THESE LEGAL DEEDS. If, however, you're NOT civilized then you would "do the same"...

      September 18, 2011 at 2:19 pm |
  50. EL

    Mr Old Grunt from Michigan,
    I support and respect your right to your opinion whatever it might be. After all, according to "we the people" we have the right of free speech here in the USA.
    Let me ask you, how many countries in the middle east provide their own citizens with such a human right? Syria? Saudi Arabia? Maybe Iran? Oh even more, the Palestinian leadership of Hamas?
    Being old, as you represented yourself, you might need some help: it's call Israel.
    Love it or hate it, this is not about to change any time soon, even for those younger than you to get to witness.

    September 17, 2011 at 1:16 pm |
  51. EL

    Dear Mr Old Grunt from Michigan;
    I will support and respect your opinion; after all, "we the people" have the right to free speech.
    However, I would like to ask you....how many middle east countries provide such fundamental human right to thier own citizens? Syria? SaudiArabia? Perhaps Iran? Oh even better, the Palestinian representatives of Hamas ? You being old, as you represented yourself, need help: it's call Israel.
    Love it or hate it, it will be a long time to witness otherwise even for those much younger than you.

    September 17, 2011 at 1:29 pm |
    • steven harnack

      What does any of that have to do with the Israeli's indefensible treatment of Palestinians and appropriation of Palestinian land? Or is your point that as long as a nation treats its own people well then they have a free hand to oppress anyone else?

      September 18, 2011 at 12:51 pm |
      • EL

        Dear Mr. Harnack,
        Are you aware of the fact that the democratic government of Israel (the Knesset) includes Christians, Arabs, Muslims, Palestinians, and any other citizen of the State who wishes to run for office, and not only Israeli jews ?
        Are you aware of the fact that those non-jewish citizens of Israel have better standards of living, needless to say RIGHTS, that they couldn't dream having
        in some Arab/Muslims countries, especially the peace loving government of Hamas ?
        I strongly urge you to go to Israel and witness it.
        Contact your closest Israeli embassy and inquire about trips that are actually sponsored to go there, especially for those under the age of 25 which might have it difficult to afford it.
        When you come back, I'm looking forward to hearing about your direct exposure to the so call "Israeli's indefensible treatment of Palestinians".

        September 18, 2011 at 1:27 pm |
      • Thinker23

        I'm not sure what you mean by "indefensible treatment of Palestinians" but the FACT is that if the Palestinians did not like Israeli treatment they would NEGOTIATE a better deal long ago. They had plenty of opportunities.

        September 18, 2011 at 2:21 pm |
      • Thinker23

        Mr. Harnack,
        can you NAME one or more nations that treated the enemy better than Israel during a war? If you CAN be my guest. If you CAN NOT it means that Israel treats Palestinians better than ANY OTHER NATION DURING A WAR (at least, to your best knowledge). It makes little sense to complain that the BEST is not good enough.

        September 18, 2011 at 2:25 pm |
  52. DENNA

    Dear Israel: Democrats are your friends. Hasn't that been proven? Seriously, there is more going on in the world the Israel's health and wellness, but in America, you will probably not find better allies than the Democrats. However the U.S. does have other problems and priorities. Recognize that we are happy to help others in the world as evidenced over the decades of war, but we cannot make Israel our single priority. The same goes for hispanics in American. Voting Republican may well be the biggest mistake you could make. They are the ones who are always touting "sending those people back".

    September 17, 2011 at 1:34 pm |
  53. DENNA

    Drogo, who bit the dust – By all means let all the Jews vote for Republicans
    Well said. America is suffering now from people who were so incensed by President Obama's win that they have turned the country over to the Republicans who are now trying to dismantle the middle class. They are bent on removing as many hispanics from America as possible. Now when they are done with everyone else, who do you think will be next?

    September 17, 2011 at 2:14 pm |
  54. Justin

    Im sick & tired of Iseral & Palestinians.

    September 17, 2011 at 2:24 pm |
    • EL

      Justin, I'm a psychiatrist, do you want to talk about it ?

      September 17, 2011 at 3:00 pm |
      • mikle

        El, I agree with you. He need help. ,and for a long time.

        September 17, 2011 at 4:15 pm |
  55. yellowlab

    Obama has made clear that the US will veto a Palestinian Statehood resolution in the Security Council where the US enjoys such power. But how do you expect him to stop such a resolution in the Security Council where we have one vote like everyone else and no veto power?

    September 17, 2011 at 3:11 pm |
  56. yellowlab

    That should read General Assembly in the second sentence.

    September 17, 2011 at 3:13 pm |
  57. Peikovian

    Before modern Israel in the 1940s there was modern Lebanon in the 1920s, and the example of modern Lebanon is of a state whose Christian majority became a minority while parts of Lebanon became the property of Jihad gangs supported by foreigners. This is the plan for Israel, and in another generation, Europe. The questions are, What can be done to prevent this? and, Will BHO act accordingly? All other discussion is just a belch at an oasis after a fine meal.

    September 17, 2011 at 4:00 pm |
  58. Liz Carter in Georgia

    EL, I really don't see how you thought I was trying to say that! Actually, all I was saying was if that's what we're doing as a nation; paying or giving money to the people to kill JEWS, it didn't start with BARACK OBAMA! There are some things or policies that he has chosen to keep in place. I'm quite sure AMERICAN JEWS know why and they know the difference! You people are just instigators. OBAMA is not the first president to subsidize 'allies' or 'so called allies' anyway! WHY ARE YOU ALL RAISING HELL NOW?

    September 17, 2011 at 6:57 pm |
    • Jay in NC

      So because someone else was bad it is OK for Barry to be bad. What a way to live your life.

      September 17, 2011 at 7:43 pm |
      • FIELD1stSGT


        September 17, 2011 at 10:05 pm |
    • EL

      Liz, I appreciate the fact you took the time to respond to my statement.
      As it is always the case, politics and religion are two highly combustable topics. Here, they are mixed together. Obviously there are going to be very different points of view. Having said that, I would object to the lowest denominator of calling names or saying "you people".
      If we can go back to the original article, the second point was that "it s a distraction" to be focusing on what's happening next Friday at the UN. Yes, the Obama Administration and WE, all Americans, regardless of race, color or place of origin have more important issues at hand. A family to feed, a job to keep if not worse, simply to find a job to go to.
      Regardless of who is at the White House, the US will always veto what is against our core values: terrorism, which us exactly what Hamas represents. Do Palestinians deserve their own land? Of course, and Israel doesn't oppose to such. As a matter of fact, there are, and have been economical/ industrial relationships between Israelis and Palestinians on the west bank for years already.
      I'm sure any American, Jew or otherwise grieved on 9/11. Hence, it's a given the veto is coming. Jews are not necessarily the ones making it an issue. Our values and believes by definition already veto it. And It is not only an American issue but a world issue.
      That's why is a distraction.
      But hey, some spin doctors have to make noice. The media has to have something to grab and dramatize. And if you really want to spin it, just add the word "Jew" to it.
      Thanks again for your reply. Now, let's get back to our families, and yes, OUR country.

      September 17, 2011 at 10:01 pm |
  59. Jo

    Yes to statehood for Palestine!!!!!!!! The 'enlightened ' Jews are for Statehood for Palestine!!! All Jews do not think or vote the same!!!!

    September 17, 2011 at 8:12 pm |
  60. Liz Carter in Georgia

    Jay, don't you people call us 'libs'? Why's it such a problem my using the prefix 'cons'? BTW, you ARE 'cons'; 'con artists'! LOL! Oh, you're the last one to tell me what the world sees! I know exactly what the world sees; has not one thing to do with my ignorance; if anything at all, the world sees my hindsight and foresight to what's REALLY going on! It sees that I've got the 'balls' to voice or write about it! The world knows AMERICAN history better than some of US do..and what SHE is capable of doing!

    September 17, 2011 at 8:28 pm |
    • FIELD1stSGT


      September 17, 2011 at 10:03 pm |
    • Light In The Black

      The conservative right wing of the GOP call themselves

      September 19, 2011 at 1:14 pm |
  61. Liz Carter in Georgia

    As far as you definition of the prefix of 'con', evidently it doesn't work when you're talking about 'CON-GRESS' does it? CONGRESS! When was the last time they were 'together', right or wrong? OOPs.. I forgot when BUSH was in office! You make sure that I don't forget that! Oh, it works when you're talking about 'CON-SPIRACY' or 'CON-FUSED', which most of you seem to be! When did PROS and CONS ever come 'together'? My definition of CON is adversary; anti, rebel, no togetherness whatsoever; ie., GOP/TEAPARTY!

    September 17, 2011 at 8:47 pm |
  62. dmf0786

    The U. N. vote on State of Palestine membership is coming at a time that Israel has in addition to Turkey a member of NATO , have lost many long time friends or many have indifferent attitude about Israel's positions on this issue . The Palestinians' have waited for more than twenty years under the U. S. convened peace negotiations , for the resolution of Israel – Palestine disputes . The Obama administration is faced up with new challenges , from hundreds of countries were in U. S. support of Two States solution , but at this juncture would not vote against State of Palestine membership , at the U. N. general Assembly . The peace in the Middle East is contingent upon resolution of the Israel – Palestine disputes . The Israelis would have to find an agreed upon border with the Palestinians' leadership , to achieve a peaceful resolution of all Israel – Palestine disputes including : a ) return of Israel to 1967 border , b) the right of return of Arab refugees to Palestinian lands and c) an agreement over control of the city of Jerusalem . In the final analysis it would be the responsibility of Israelis and Palestinians and countries in the region , to work harder to combat domestic hostilities and oppositions for enduring peace in the Middle East and North African Arab and Muslim countries .

    September 17, 2011 at 9:11 pm |
    • OMG!

      a) isn't happening
      b) isn't happening
      c) isn't happening

      go back and write a different wish list to Santa Claus.

      September 20, 2011 at 7:29 pm |
  63. Liz Carter in Georgia

    Howard, do you mean like BUSH and CHENEYS' came to light by many reputable people, but they were shutdown, and told they were committing 'intellectual terrorism'; that they needed to shut-up or there would be repercusions? Whitewashed or squashed in corporately-owned media not to keep talking about those complicit relationships and cover-ups? Locking up and terrorizing the soldier because of 'wikileakes'? Taking Jesse Ventura off TV? Firing Cynthia McKinney from the 'HOR'? If that's true, what else is new?

    September 17, 2011 at 9:12 pm |
  64. MabyeImStupid

    Is it me or is it not obvious: Its all about money...

    The Jewish population is 1.7% of US population, and they probably a high percentage votes. Compared to the Black population: 12.6%, Hispanic population: 8.7% (wikipedia info). So if they were really after votes, all politicians would be making an effort to cowtow to the Black and Hispanic needs several times as much. But both populations are virtually ignored, this could partially because of relatively low voter turn out and most being already left leaning;

    But think about it, the Jewish population is only about 15% of the black population. While all politicians make a big deal about being at AIPAC meetings and going to Israel, how many of them make a big deal about visiting Africa or South/Central American countries during election season?

    September 17, 2011 at 9:44 pm |
  65. FIELD1stSGT

    What Jew would put any fate in this lying fraud must less vote for him. He intends for Israel and America to colleapse.

    September 17, 2011 at 10:00 pm |
  66. James

    Obama doesn't even know what UN stands for let alone know the history of the UN–No wonder his approval level is a -25 %–He will totally screw this up when its his turn and say something pathetic–

    September 17, 2011 at 10:05 pm |
  67. MabyeImStupid

    What high stakes is CNN talking about? Does what happens to Israel really matter to the US? Before you start rattling off .things like terrorism, I can tell you that US support for Israel is one of the key reasons for terrorism and anti-Americanism against the US, in the middle east. If Israel went away tomorrow, the arab governments and the US government would have fewer reasons to pretend to be upset at each other. I'm sure they'll find something else to fight about. but a huge reason would simply go away.

    September 17, 2011 at 10:15 pm |
    • EL

      Mr MabyelmStupid,
      I have been following ths site from its génesis.
      There is a lot of ignorance and anti-Semitic statements as is to be expected. Nothing new. But when it comes to ignorance you are second to none. Congratulations.
      Shorten your name to stupid and leave the
      maybe out.

      maybe out.

      September 20, 2011 at 1:30 pm |
  68. Jeff Spangler

    But what's to be gained by a U.S. veto denying Palestinians an opportunity to petition the largely powerless U.N. for political redress of its grievances? Is it our policy that we support a two-state solution, but only if they do it our way? Hardly seems diplomatic to me.

    September 17, 2011 at 11:13 pm |
  69. mikle

    Obama is the worse president ever. His statement about border of 1967 give Abbas key to demand his state with 1967 border. Obama did not think before he say anything if he did not read . I cannot believe how any jew can vote for this man. He distressing USA and i cannot wait 2012.

    September 17, 2011 at 11:50 pm |
    • parkmore

      That's true, jew and muslim should not vote for this man. We agree for this CONCEPT

      September 18, 2011 at 12:05 am |
    • steven harnack

      Using the 1967 borders as a starting point has been written into every peace negotiation since 1967. It is not something new, as you would know if you knew anything about the issue and you weren't just parroting some anti-Obama propaganda that you heard or saw somewhere.

      September 18, 2011 at 12:41 pm |
      • Thinker23

        Mr. Harnack: The cease fire lines of 1949 never were intended to be state borders, never were borders and never were recognized as borders by ANY state. Further, while Israel ACCEPTED the UN proposed borders in 1948, OFFERED accept the Green Line in 1967 and OFFERED to give the Palestinian Arabs up to 98%b of the West Bank and 100% of Gaza the Arabs NEVER accepted anything short of destruction of Israel. Peace can only beachieved through peace negotiations and peace negotiations can only happen when BOTH sdes are able and willing to negotiate peace.

        September 18, 2011 at 2:32 pm |
  70. parkmore

    It's amazing that Obama can continue to use the jargon and make the Palestinians and much of the world for fools. What hypocrisy, or rather what cynicism and arrogance! How can we continue to support unsustainable, the indefensible? It's unbelievable, especially coming from officials whom we rabâchent ears all day with speeches and means: human rights, justice, international law, freedom etc.. Shame on them.

    September 18, 2011 at 12:02 am |
  71. JJ

    The jews and Israel will fail in this. The reason is simple. The Palestinian actions are RIGHTEOUS. The Israeli and jewish position is not. Period. It's the same reason the US received an a55whooping in Vietnam, and why the Israelis are now considered a terrorist country after slaughtering hundreds of teens, children, toddlers and babies in Gaza, and letting every one of the murderers walk free. End of discussion.

    September 18, 2011 at 2:55 am |
    • EL

      I see your statement came in at 2:55 am.
      Was that eastern day-light savings time ?
      If such is the case you must have written your statement while asleep.
      When you wake up into reality, pick up your History Course 101 book, that is, if you know how to read.

      September 18, 2011 at 12:08 pm |
      • C-Lo

        No EL, it's because 2:55 EST is mid-day...In Palestine. My guess is that (s)he's a Hamas operative on here to justify terrorist tactics against Israel. Read his/her words carefully and notice how it reaks of Pro-palistinian propaganda.

        September 19, 2011 at 1:05 pm |
    • Light In The Black

      **** slaughtering hundreds of teens, children, toddlers and babies
      You mean, like blowing up innocent civilians on busses ?
      Launching rockets at schools ?

      Nice propaganda ya got there.

      September 19, 2011 at 1:21 pm |
  72. Liz Carter in Georgia

    Jay, you said it was a bad thing? I didn't! Honestly, I think America should continue to support Israel. If Obama continues that policy, I think he's right for doing so. I believe he knows why we SHOULD be doing it and this time, he's not just paying or trying to buy friends. He'd be trying to honour GOD, drawing favor to AMERICA from HIM, who in Gen:12:3 said 'I will bless them that blesseth thee, (Israel) and curse them that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed'. Research!

    September 18, 2011 at 6:51 am |
  73. Liz Carter in Georgia

    ....as far as you saying it's wrong for us as a nation to pay or buy the friends, so called friends or allies...we've been doing that for centuries! I believe we've been giving here and there as a 'peace offering' and a way to stay in the good graces of those who could potentially be active enemies for years! Oh yes, and of course the other reason is, we have 'national vital interests' in those nations...so why all the loud, boisterous hooplah now, just since OBAMA became President? What's changed?

    September 18, 2011 at 7:21 am |
  74. Liz Carter in Georgia

    @EL; thank you for responding back to me. However, I'm sorry you 'object' to name-calling, but if you compare mine to many others on this blog, you will find that mine don't compare. LOL! When I said 'you people', would it have been better if I'd said some people or most people? Even when I was talking to you or a specific sperson on a subject? My point is, when I use the words 'you people', I'm addressing my views to you and whomever else is of your views. I'm talking to all of you who care to listen.

    September 18, 2011 at 7:38 am |
  75. TxJim

    Pres. Obama can take care of the Jewish vote with one fell swoop..

    Obama/Bloomberg 2012..

    September 18, 2011 at 7:55 am |
  76. Liz Carter in Georgia

    @EL; You're right. JEWS aren't necessarily the ones making this an issue...it's the instigating, divisive Americans of all religious backgrounds, ethnic groups, cultures and genders, who just LOVE a fight! That's what these adversaries live for...the next FIGHT! That's why I said I was sure that the JEWS undertood why and what was going on. I was speaking of our American Jews anyway. They live here and keep up with policy shifting back and forth, just like the rest of us try to do. OMG..troublemakers, OMG!

    September 18, 2011 at 8:02 am |
    • EL

      Liz, I see you were up early on a Sunday.
      Wishing you and your loved ones peace and health.

      September 18, 2011 at 9:41 am |
  77. Liz Carter in Georgia

    @FIELD1stSGT;...what the 'cotton fields' down in South Georgia? You said you couldn't see anything that didn't 'rhime' with 'MIGS'. Well now, it's mighty strange to me that I can't see much of anything that doesn't 'rhyme' with 'slackers' either! And NO! Don't worry nor 'wonder'. He doesn't have to run 'amok' in the streets 'like his brothers' stealing tvs and robbing liquor stores, if he loses the election because he can buy and sell you, 'his brothers' and the liqour stores if he wants to! YOU HATE THAT!

    September 18, 2011 at 8:43 am |
  78. Rick McDaniel

    When the stakes are high, Obama rarely knows what to do. This will be no different.....he will screw it up.

    September 18, 2011 at 9:40 am |
    • Light In The Black

      Like taking out Bin Laden ?
      Something Bush couldnt do in 7 years.

      Whats to screw up ?
      He said he will veto any request for a palestinian state
      as he should.

      September 19, 2011 at 1:24 pm |
  79. voiceofreason

    Here's an idea: why don't we stay out of the affairs of other nations and stop meddling. Whether that meddling is preventing them from be recognized as a nation or giving them billions of dollars in economic "aid". Likewise, lets openly engage with them in trade and economic exchanges. A foreign policy that's rooted in interventionism is surely a foreign policy that will cause trouble and have negative consequences for America. RON PAUL 2012.

    September 18, 2011 at 11:55 am |
    • EL

      Voice of Reason (or not !)
      let me see if I'm following you: we stay out from meddling with other nations' affairs, and instead we engage on economic traid.
      OK, you just have been named the American ambassador in Gaza representing the Ron Paul administration.
      Do you mind if a buy a life insurance policy on you ?

      September 21, 2011 at 6:17 pm |
  80. steven harnack

    And I say why can't Palestinian statehood be accomplished by U.N. declaration? That is how Israel came into existence and it happened within two years of effort and without 1/10th of the infrastructure that the Palestinians have in place. No peace deals were asked or required of the people who were to become the state of Israel BY DECLARATION OF THE U.N.!

    September 18, 2011 at 12:33 pm |
    • Thinker23

      I hope you remember what happened when Israel accepted the UN offer and declared a state... Five Arab armies attacked Israel and the Palestinian Arabs tried to kill every Jew they could. I also hope you realize that the moment a Palestinian state is UNILATERALLY declared it will find itself AT WAR wih Israel and will have an immediate choice, to ask (or rather BEG) for peace or face the consequences. The tale about "poor stateless oppressed Palestinians" will not work anymore.

      September 18, 2011 at 2:07 pm |
      • EL

        Hi Thinker23,
        Only one flame is necessary to illuminate a dark room.
        Keep your light going.

        September 18, 2011 at 2:52 pm |
  81. Thinking

    Following Jesus Christ is different than religion. Yet I know many people who say they follow Jesus don't really follow him.

    September 18, 2011 at 1:05 pm |
  82. Common Sense

    You people realize that if the Palestine get statehood status, Isreal will just slaughter them all anyway. Isreal doesn't play around, and they don't care about the rest of our world. If the Palestines make a move, Isreal will absolutly finish it. Seeing as we are thier only real ally, when the holy war starts we'll be forced to fight all muslim nations.

    September 18, 2011 at 1:36 pm |
  83. S

    EL, I've been following these exchanges and note that you "speak" as someone well versed and self-assured, with a tinge of sarcasm. For the benefit of someone admittedly less informed on the topic, I would like to better understand your continuing reference to Hamas as a terrorist organization, and its involvement or control of any potential Palestinian statehood. Since a trip to Israel isn't on my
    immediate agenda, I'm willing to be educated,
    assuming your views are based upon education and
    experience, not just rhetoric from another opinionated

    September 18, 2011 at 2:27 pm |
    • EL

      Dear S,
      Above all, I welcome your inquiry and the exchange of thoughts.
      Let me follow such by stating I don't claim to be an expert on the subject, nor have I tried to make this about me and definitely I'm anything but a blogger. 
      The seed of education was planted by my parents long ago; moreover I make it my responsibility to remain open minded.
      My motivation behind all these lines is my human instinct of attacking hate from whatever source and what is behind it, i.e. ignorance.  
      To attempt to shed some light with the hope that one day we can all learn tolerance and acceptance. 

      Let's go back to the original article:
      Subject: Palestinian Statehood.
      The core of the problem is, which is the sure source of veto, the Gaza Strip Palestinian  government run by Hamas.
      On the other hand you have the west bank Palestinian authority represented by Fatah. 
      The later, originated by Yasser  Arafat in the 1960's and after endless deaths on both sides, finally accepted to give up violence, and remove from their constitution the refusal to accept the right to exist of the State of Israel. 
      Moreover, Hamas has made it very clear: eternal war against the "Zionist Nation" until their disappearance from the map, and by definition,  NO Right to exist.

      Lets be totally objective for a second: this is not 1939. The Jewish people this time are not going anywhere without taking their enemies with them.  There will never be another holocaust as we horribly witnessed. 

      Israel spends around 50% of their budget in defense. Do you think this is by choice? They have diplomatic relationships with Jordan and Egypt (lets hope such doesn't change). They wish such would be the case with their other neighbors: The Palestinians and Syria/Lebanon (this last one, you may translate as Hezbollah,  which in turn means Iran).
      Nice neighborhood isn't it? 
      And yes, you are right, there is a scent of sarcasm. I'm human.

      Personally, I look forward to Israel and the Palestinians living side by side. So did my parents, and my grandparents. I only hope my children don't only hope but actually get to live it.
      As long as terrorist groups such as Hamas (as declared not only by our government but the European Union and others) continue to be busier killing Jews rather than guiding their own to prosperity, no matter who is in the White House, no matter how strong Israel's army is, you and I will simply keep on witnessing the endless, senseless loss of life.
      I hope this answers your question.

      September 20, 2011 at 1:40 pm |
  84. PaulC

    I have a problem with Israel's refusal to grant the Palestinians the same rights they enjoy. In 1948 they received support
    to establish a homeland but doggedly refuse to accept the Palestinians as equally deserving. It is little wonder that the
    Palestinians consider them mortal enemies.

    September 18, 2011 at 4:33 pm |
    • EL

      Mr. PaulC
      Do you have a problem with Al Qaida?
      Why don't you grant them statehood too?

      September 18, 2011 at 5:55 pm |
    • Light In The Black

      ****W R O N G ****


      I have a problem with Israel's refusal to grant the Palestinians the same rights they enjoy. In 1948 they received support
      to establish a homeland but doggedly refuse to accept the Palestinians as equally deserving. It is little wonder that the
      Palestinians consider them mortal enemies.

      Isreal offered state – accepted
      Palestinians offered state – refused
      Isreal did not reject an Arab state
      the Arabs rejected the Isreali state.

      Nice try re-writting history.

      September 19, 2011 at 1:29 pm |
      • EL

        Dear Mr PaulC,
        I was loking forward to your reply, so I thank you for the opportunity to exchange our opinions.
        Your first point: "Israel's refusal to grant Palestinians the same rights". Palestinians have exactly the same rights in the State of Israel as any other citizen in the county. Furthermore Israel already has economical exchange with the Palestinians on the West Bank, and they look forward to further relationships. It is the terrorist group of Hamas in the Gaza strip Israel is and will continue to oppose having any saying in the matter.

        Your next point:" 1948 and Israel refussing the Palestinians as equaly deserving". Israel accepted with open arms the UN vote. Within hours all Arab countries declare war to Israel. The war didn't go their way. They try again , mainly in June 5th 1967. This time not only it didn't go their way and the boundaries changed significantly. Since you have more wars, 1973, 1983, etc to name a few. Since, Israel has returned all the land back to Egypt and Jordan. Offered Syria he Golan Hights back in exchange for peace. Of course the answer was no. Among the latest attempts Israel agreed to return 100% of Gaza (which occurred unilaterally) and approximatelly 97 to 98% of the West Bank.
        I don't need to"re- write history". You can find all the information at your local public library. Then, I'm loolong forward to hearing what you have learned.

        September 20, 2011 at 3:19 pm |
  85. JoeyDee

    Israel and Palestine is'nt my concern I just washed hands

    September 18, 2011 at 5:16 pm |
    • OMG!

      did you wash your hands before or after you learn how to write ?

      September 20, 2011 at 7:36 pm |
  86. S

    S says:
    Your comment is awaiting moderation.
    September 18, 2011 at 2:27 pm
    EL, I’ve been following these exchanges and note that you “speak” as someone well versed and self-assured, with a tinge of sarcasm. For the benefit of someone admittedly less informed on the topic, I would like to better understand your continuing reference to Hamas as a terrorist organization, and its involvement or control of any potential Palestinian statehood. Since a trip to Israel isn’t on my
    immediate agenda, I’m willing to be educated,
    assuming your views are based upon education and
    experience, not just rhetoric from another opinionated

    September 18, 2011 at 5:50 pm |
  87. S

    EL, you speak as someone self-assured, with a tinge of sarcasm.  Your continuing reference to Hamas as a terrorist organization, and its involvement or control of any potential Palestinian statehood, are your views based on education or rhetoric from another opinionated

    September 18, 2011 at 6:35 pm |
  88. valwayne

    The U.S. has never had a President so hostile to Israel and so williing to take the side of those that want to destroy Israel like Hamas. The Palestinians have decided that they don't have to negotiate to get their state. They see a weak President hostile to Israel and they think they can gain international support for a state whose territories they don't even control. Their ultimate aim is the destruction of the Jewish State, and as long as Obama keeps the U.S. in such a state of decline and continues to weaken U.S. support for Israel they are betting they can achieve their goal.

    September 18, 2011 at 7:49 pm |
  89. deenuhh

    I think UN should accept palestine its not the matter of counter-producton but a step forward to a more globalized community. The people want to be together they share a same culture, they speak the same language, why not give them the opportunity to lead and be apart of the UN. (more examples look at Kosovo) its completely up hauling that we are fight against each other when we have big issues to deal with such as AIDS and poverty and lack of primary education next week what they should really talk about is how to make the world a more peaceful community and accept each other for who we are.

    September 18, 2011 at 10:07 pm |
    • OMG!

      who are you?
      Mother Teresa ???

      September 20, 2011 at 7:40 pm |
  90. glddraco

    Okay hows exactly this high stakes when I nor a lot of people for that matter care? Frankly it seems like their isn't a whole lot he or anyone can do to stop this so this is simply the media trying to be their usual sensationalistic selves to hype everything up so when it does happen they can paint it out as something it isn't, a failure.

    September 19, 2011 at 1:54 am |
  91. Aristocles

    If the PLA pushes for statehood, the US will veto it. If they push for the lower observer state status (which we cannot veto), the US and Israel will cut off funding, causing the PLA to collapse, and this will probably accelerate Israel's settlement of the West Bank. The surrounding countries can hardly hate Israel more than they already do, so Israel has little to lose. The Israelis have repeatedly proven their ability to stand on their own economically, and have proven their ability to win in every military engagement, no matter how outnumbered. Hezbollah is still weakened after their lost war with Israel, Hamas is barely able to fire a handful of small rockets, the highly-effective wall has proven capable of keeping out almost all threats from the West Bank, and none of Israel's neighbors are in any shape for a conventional war. Without Saddam Hussein and with Egypt dependent on US aid which would surely evaporate if they attacked Israel, the only serious threat to the homeland of the Jews is Iran, which is probably too far away to do anything.

    I'd say the PLA will have a few good months, followed by catastrophe when they collapse from lack of funds, mass joblessness, and the fact that Israel doesn't really depend on their labor, especially not in this time of high unemployment.

    September 19, 2011 at 6:59 am |
  92. Faseke

    Really,the so called declaration of state of palestinine is like putting the cart before the horse,the two parties must peacefully accept to peaceful co existence first and later agreed to statehood by themselves,so the UN step is uncalled for noting the situation on ground.

    September 19, 2011 at 7:40 am |
  93. John Stefanyszyn

    The Jews, The Land, God...but Israel states that it does not have an official religion?

    The Jews claim the land of Israel because they say it was given to them by God.
    ....people have died because of this claim
    ...the Jews are using this reason to validate their taking of land.

    It is written in the "religion" of the Jews that this God is the One and Only Creator God...i.e. the only God of Israel...the only "religion" (in man's terms).

    However, the nation of Isarel says and has publicly confessed that they do not have an official "religion" (ref. Ambassador Oren). This is also confirmed in their constitution.

    Therefore the Jews are also saying that they do not recognize the above mention God as the official and only God of the land of Israel.

    What do then the Jews (Israel) believe in?...the way of life – the belief in freedom of rights, freedom of religion, and self-righteousness... as do all other democratic nations.

    Why should the True and Only God, whose Son is the Christ, stand for the Jews and defend their claim to the "land" when they have denied Him as the One and Only True God, have denied Christ-the Savior, and have denied the One True Way of Life?

    PS..God and Christ are not a religion but the only truth...there will not be any belief in the freedom of self-interest. Christ's return will make this evident soon.

    September 19, 2011 at 7:45 am |
    • OMG!

      oh God...
      please keep me away from your followers !!!

      September 20, 2011 at 7:46 pm |
  94. John

    Bow down Obama. Wipe your chin off after your done.

    September 19, 2011 at 10:37 am |
  95. SPQR

    It is hard to negotiate with people that believe that they are Gods chosen ones and look at you as a second class human.

    September 19, 2011 at 12:04 pm |
    • EL

      Mr SPQR,
      The jewish people do not concider themselves "God Chosen". The Jewish people over 5000 years ago recognized and CHOSE to believe that there was, and continues to be only ONE God. At the time it was quite a revolutionary idea when you realize Monotheism had never been given even a thought.
      Furthermore, if you feel "they look at you as a second class human", could it be because that's how you recognize yourself to be ?

      September 19, 2011 at 7:49 pm |
  96. SPQR

    President Obama don't be afraid to do the right thing because you will be called an anti-Semite. Americans are tired of being milked by the entire world, especially Israel.

    September 19, 2011 at 12:08 pm |
  97. J

    After reading some of these comments, as usual the President is damned if he does and damned if he don't no matter what decision he makes. Hopefully he'll get a lucky break somewhere...OBAMA/BIDEN..2012!!!

    September 19, 2011 at 12:12 pm |
  98. bailoutsos

    America needs to get out of the UN and NATO country clubs. America cannot afford the membership fees.

    September 19, 2011 at 12:24 pm |
  99. conoclast

    There's an achingly timely little clip on YouTube:
    http://www.youtube(dot com)/watch?v=viiEbdgkMCw

    September 19, 2011 at 1:26 pm |
  100. Light In The Black

    The so called Palestinians have a state
    its called Jordan.
    Turn Gaza into a parking lot
    and send them all back to Jordan....problem solved.

    September 19, 2011 at 1:33 pm |
  101. David

    I take issue with anyone telling the Jews that they can't build houses (and thats what they are) in the city that has been their capital for more than three thousand years. Especially if the people complaining about it have NEVER been a sovereign nation and don't have a stable political system. The Palestinian government is determined to annihilate the only free and functioning democracy in the middle east and replace it with another islamic theocracy that believes America is their enemy. Israel has always been our ally we should treat them as such and stop bending over to every muslim in the world because we feel bad for the crusades.

    September 19, 2011 at 1:43 pm |
  102. Stephana

    Let the palis have a state. Then when they get erradicated from the face of the planet for attacking Israel we can say we told you so.

    September 19, 2011 at 1:49 pm |
  103. John

    Islam violent? criminal? really?
    Strange, I think the extremists Muslims were created by another extremist party. The Zionism.
    Because some of the Islam hater here and everywhere on the internet like to bring proof that Islam is evil.
    Here are some excerpts against Christians from Talmud/Torah.
    The goal is to show that all religions are not perfect.

    EXODUS 20:1 And God spoke all these words, saying,
    Abhodah Zarah (25b)T: Even the best of the Goim should be killed.
    Abhodah Zarah 26b Tosephoth: "A Jew who kills a Christian commits no sin, but offers an acceptable sacrifice to God."
    Alkut Simoni (245c): A Jew shedding the blood of a Christian is offering a sacrifice to God.
    Hilkhoth Akum(X,2) - Baptized Jews are to be put to death
    Iore Dea (158, 1): Christians who are not Jews' enemies must also die.
    Iore Dea(158,2)Hag. - Kill renegades who turn to Christian rituals.
    Livore David 37: "If a Jew be called upon to explain any part of the rabbinic books, he ought to give only a false explanation. Who ever will violate this order shall be put to death."
    Makkoth (7b): Innocent of murder if intent was to kill a Christian
    Sanhedrin (59a) & Abohodah Zarah 8-6: "Every goy [non-Jew] who studies the Talmud and every Jew who helps him in it, ought to die."
    Schulchan Aruch Choszen Hamiszpat 388: "It is permitted to kill a Jewish denunciator everywhere. It is permitted to kill him even before he denounces."
    Sepher Or Israel (177b): If a Jew kills a Christian he commits no sin. He has done God a service.
    Zohar (11 43a): Extermination of Christians necessary.
    Zohar (I,25a) - Christians are to be destroyed as idolators.
    Zohar (I,219b) - Princes of Christians are idolators, must die.
    Zohar (II, 43a): Extermination of Christians is a necessary sacrifice to God.
    Zohar (L, 38b, 39a): A Jew to receive a high place in heaven if he kills a Christian.
    7 ==========================================
    EXODUS 20:14
    Kelhubath (11a-11b): When a GROWN UP MAN HAS INTERCOURSE WITH A LITTLE GIRL IT IS NOTHING, for when the girl is less than this [See Footnote] THREE YEARS OLD it is as if one puts the finger into the eye [Again See Footnote] tears come to the eye again and again, SO DOES VIRGINITY COME BACK TO THE LITTLE GIRL THREE YEARS OLD."
    Nadarine, 20, B; Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348: "A Jew may do to a non-Jewess what he can do. He may treat her as he treats a piece of meat."
    8 ==========================================
    EXODUS 20:15
    Choschen Ham (193, 7): Keep any overpayment Christians make in error.
    Choschen Ham (226 1): Jew may keep lost property of Christian found by Jew.
    Schulchan Aruch Choszen Hamiszpat 348: "A Jew may rob a goy [non-Jew] that is, he may cheat him in a bill, if unlikely to be perceived by him."
    Schulchan Aruch Orach Chaim 539: "At the time of the Cholhamoed the transaction of any kind of business is forbidden. But it is permitted to cheat a goy [non-Jew], because cheating of goyi at any time pleases the Lord."
    Tosefta, Abhodah Zarah VIII, 5: "How to interpret the word 'robbery.' A goy [non-Jew] is forbidden to steal, rob, or take women slaves, etc., from a goy or from a Jew. But a Jew is not forbidden to do all this to a goy."
    9 ==========================================
    EXODUS 20:16
    Babha Kama (113a): Jew may lie and perjure himself to condemn a Christian.
    Babha Kama (113b): "The name of God not profaned, if a Jew lies to a Christian."
    Babha Kama (113b): It is permitted for a Jew to deceive Christians.
    Christian; Name of God not profaned when lying to Christians.
    Christians; Jew may lie and perjure to Condemn a Christian
    Kallah (1b, p. 18): Jew may perjure himself when lying about Christians.
    Kallah (1b p. 18): Jew may perjure himself with a clear conscience.
    Schabbouth Hag (6d): Jews may swear falsely by the use of subterfuge wording.
    Szaaloth-Utszabot The Book of Jore Dia 17: "A Jew should and must make a false oath when the goyim [non-Jew] asks if our books contain anything against them."
    10 =========================================
    EXODUS 20:17
    Babha Bathra (54b): Christian property belongs to the first Jew claiming it.
    Josiah 60, 6, Rabbi Abarbanel ... As soon as the King Messiah will declare himself... Take the silver and gold from the goyim."
    Schulchan Aruch Choszen Hamiszpat 348: "All property of other nations belongs to the Jewish nation.

    September 19, 2011 at 2:11 pm |
    • EL

      Dearest John;
      It's a good thing you came on board.
      You are the perfect example of how the seed of hate is planted. And as it grows, the ignorant and gullible will follow.
      What do you get? Ask Europe during the 1930's.
      I will only humor your first example:
      Exodus 20:1 it's nothing other than The Ten Commandments. A bit far from your rubbish.
      And by the way, the word "Christian" or "Christianity" does not even once is quoted in the Old Testament. The five books of Moses were written centuries if not millenniums before such.
      It's people like you that give humans (regardless of whether they are Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Arabs, Palestinians, and on and on) a bad name.

      September 20, 2011 at 8:37 pm |
  104. Sal

    Yeah sure, Israel is our best friend and ally. Just remember the USS LIBERTY and the ROSENBERGS! 

    September 19, 2011 at 2:15 pm |
  105. Sal

    For those of you who are too young to remember what the USS LIBERTY was all about, well then google it. Seek and you shall find! With friends like that, who needs enemies? 

    September 19, 2011 at 2:17 pm |
  106. Sal

    To help you out a little, here is an article to read that shows I know what I am talking about. 


    September 19, 2011 at 2:21 pm |
    • EL

      Dear Mr Sal,
      Yes, The Rosembergs are associated with giving away secrets related with nuclear weapons. Horrible act to say the least,no doubt about it. Therefore, because of one Jewish family, let's hate them all. You go Sal !

      September 19, 2011 at 7:38 pm |
  107. Can I have a Statehood too?

    It would be unfortunate if the UN were to grant statehood to the Palistinians at this time. They are overstepping their authority. I am pretty sure Obama was going to give it to them at the most politically opportune moment, along with a couple of trillion dollars as a house warming gift. The Jewish community should get used to being treated like any other DNC constituency; but keep those political contribution rolling in because there are elections to win. Shalom!

    September 19, 2011 at 2:41 pm |
  108. Vanilla Gorilla

    The Tele-prompter president has himself a real dilemma – one that he and no one on his staff have any qualifications or experience to deal with. We as a nation are without any credible leadership from the top down – period.
    The barbarians are aat the gate and the prez and the other members of the clown college are trying to figure out how to let them so that the rest of us will not notice !!
    This is not the time to be encumbered about politics and worrying about getting re-elected – it is time to actually do something and not just think about doing something – or just talk about doing something.
    Our prez has abandoned us as he is more worried about the 201021 election then anything else.
    Actions speak louder then words and our socialist, anti-capitalism and elitist president is clueless as to what action to take. HE has never had to make a tough decision in his life – other then to sell out the country.
    Obummer had nothing to do with the killing of bin Laden but to take credit for it.
    Let's face it America – right or left,- Republican or Democrat, young or old – we have a president who has his own agenda and that is agenda does not include what is right for America ....................................

    September 19, 2011 at 3:44 pm |
  109. Peg - Az

    i feel as if Israel is taking advantage of their position – I know things are complicated – things are dangerous in the region – but I feel that some of their actions and positions make it even more so – for them and for us too – it sometimes seems that they are exploiting the region's difficulties for their own gain (but maybe this is mostly their politicians – I would not want to be blamed for the actions of some of our politicians here either) – puts us in a tight spot – we should not have to chose between what is fair and what we are obliged to do – it seems like there is no win-win here – why is the only choice seen as either "pro-israel" or "anti-israel "- why can we "disagree" about some things but still consider Israel an important ally? Why must any disagreement be considered political suicide – makes no sense – you do not have to anti-anyone to disagree with them – this is where the lack of ability to succeed in the middle east is based – well that is how it seems anyway

    September 19, 2011 at 3:48 pm |
    • EL

      Mr. Peg – Az,
      unfortunately, as you find radical views within any given group of human beings, the State of Israel has it's share.
      The orthodox right does have a say in political desicions, both in the US as well as Israel. The good news, regardless of their extremism, in both countries those people choose Life, rather than the sick mentality of other radical groups , such as Hamas, Hezbollah, Al Qaida and the like, that choose to blow themselves up. Yes, It's very difficult to find a "happy medium" with the far right in Israel.
      It's impossible to even attempt to hold a
      conversation with a suicide bomber.

      September 19, 2011 at 8:17 pm |
  110. Karin

    Knowing that the White House SUPPORTS Palestine – and is not happy with Israel – tells us that the Obama Admin will SUPPORT the UN bid, even though USA houses 45% of the World's Jews – but they are Not a big Voting Block – and the WH is betting that most Jews will Ignore the support for Palestine and still Vote for Obama in 2012 – – it is ALL Politics !

    September 19, 2011 at 5:26 pm |
  111. amarjeet

    “The Palestinians will not, and cannot, achieve statehood through a declaration at the United Nations. It is a distraction, and, in fact, it's counterproductive,” How Abbas President of Palestine can initiate statehood of Palestine in UNO when the element of consolidation of political power with Gaza under Hamas is consolidated. There is no constitution & other organs of Govt. with police & military forces to act against the rebels & opposition getting ceded from mainland of Palestine. Nobody has any respect for international treaty of obligations & is acting at their own like terrorists with no responsible & civilized conduct & behavior. All these elements go against the establishment of Palestine State which involves enormous responsibilities & obligations under the UNO criteria.

    September 19, 2011 at 7:36 pm |
  112. Liz Carter in Georgia

    @EL, Yes I was up early Sunday morning. I wish health, blessings and GOD-SPEED to you and your loved ones too! We're on a battlefield muddied with or plagued with hate, biggotry, greed, lies, propaganda, threats, slander, racism, disenfranchisement, double-standards, non-support, insubordination, inhumanitarianism, obstructionism, treasonism, sabotage, rule change voter fraud, God consciousness, Godless unconsciousness, and now 'class-warfare'! We've got to get up early! They'll slaughter us in our sleep!

    September 20, 2011 at 12:17 am |
  113. John Doe

    The talk of Jewish vote is a joke. Jews already control Congress and the President through their corruption. They don't need the vote.

    September 20, 2011 at 11:41 pm |
    • OMG !!!

      where did you hear that?
      At your last KKK meeting?
      no wonder you go by "John Doe"; as usual hiding behind the mask.

      September 21, 2011 at 6:30 pm |
  114. Liz Carter in Georgia

    Very funny! LOL! True though.

    September 27, 2011 at 9:36 pm |
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