December 13th, 2011
01:51 PM ET

Obama issues veto threat to House payroll tax bill

(CNN) - President Barack Obama would veto a House Republican proposal to extend the payroll tax cut - tied to speeding approval of the Keystone XL oil pipeline - if it reached his desk, according to a White House policy statement Tuesday. The measure will come up for a House vote later Tuesday and if it passes, would then require approval by the Democratic-led Senate before going to Obama.


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  1. MTATL67

    I'm with the President on this one. This is same type of political game the GOP accused the Democrats of doing with the higher tax on millionairs. The GOP must think we are just plain stupid.

    December 13, 2011 at 2:52 pm |
    • MTATL67

      Sorry that is millionaires

      December 13, 2011 at 2:54 pm |
    • Randy

      No thinking about it, you are stupid.

      December 13, 2011 at 3:37 pm |
      • Republitardsmakemelaugh

        No, who is stupid is all you republitards. How do you support a party who are full of idiots who just care about their own interests and the interests of big business and have an IQ of a potato? Your primary is filled with idiotic candidates who won't even stand a chance against Obama. The only candidate you have that MAY even stand a chance is Ron Paul but he probably won't win for being a consistent politician instead of flip flopping to get votes. You republitards love flip floppers who wants to have assault rifles legalized YEEEE HAWWWW.

        Summary:

        Republicans: Redneck morons and the Christian equivalent of Islamic extremists. (Example: Westboro Baptist Church and all the racist morons who vote Republican)

        December 13, 2011 at 8:25 pm |
    • Peg - Az

      I know what you are saying, but the tax on millionaires was not a show, in my opinion. They are trying to focus their tax breaks in areas that will do the most good in this economy, to get us out of a bit of stagnation. The poor and middle class not only need a break the most, they are more likely to put more of it to use. In addition, the original democrat plan also had tax cuts for businesses in it and this type of cut is far more likely to be able to help small businesses that are struggling and who may not have a lot of profit. The reason there was a tax on the wealthy to pay for this, was because that is where a tax increase would do the least harm to the economy and because the rates for the wealthiest are so low right now. Basically, the democrats were doing things this way, because it was the right thing to do, it was advised as the best way to do this. The GOP pipeline thing is just a game, because they know Obama will veto it. Obama did have some reason to believe the republicans would go for the millionaire tax because, it paid for other tax cuts, so it was neutral in revenue and because it helped businesses. The pipeline will not create many jobs, they have already analyzed this, the GOP is simply posturing to stall and to create reasons for why they are not supporting the tax cuts, to hide the fact that they simply don't have any good reason at all, except to thwart any attempts by this administration to improve the economy.

      December 13, 2011 at 3:59 pm |
      • Trace

        @Peg – Az,

        I really hate to point out the obvious but "trickle down economics" has never worked. The people that would apply whatever tax breaks they received would be middle class families. Think about it .... Middle class families spend money in our economy everyday. However, there are fewer of the ultra rich and certainly they don't go out and by tons of clothes for school, IPOD's/IPADs, food etc etc. Instead the ultra rich mostly sit on the money.....that's been proven over the last eight years with zero job growth and corporations sitting on more than a trillion dollars, not hiring, but shipping what few jobs there are, overseas.

        Have a nice day

        December 14, 2011 at 8:49 am |
      • Trace

        @ Peg-Az

        forget my last post....I read your post in its entirety...You are correct and I agree

        December 14, 2011 at 8:52 am |
    • 1FreeWorld

      This is the Real Reason why
      CENTRALIZED GOVERNMENT
      does NOT Work!

      Limit the CENTRAL GOVERNMENT to the
      Protection of the States.

      Allow the States to determine People's FUTURE!

      If somebody wants to leave the State because the State is too CONTROLLING,,,

      If somebody wants to leave the State because they are NOT TAXED Enough,,,,

      If somebody wants to leave the State because the State is allowing CARBON BREATHING people,,,

      Let Folks VOTE with their FEET!

      CENTRALIZED GOVERMENTS have a HISTORY,,,,

      USSR, SPAIN, GREAT BRITIAN, ROMAN, PERSIAN, GREECE and all the other EMPIRES!

      December 13, 2011 at 10:03 pm |
      • 1FreeWorld

        I do not want the State to RULE!

        I was in California,,,, A very Beautiful State,,,

        The State of California is ruled
        by those that want to
        put BIG TAXES on the people that are successful,
        and Prevent Farmers from making a living.
        and Control how much you Pay for illegal immagrant's welfare!

        State Governments Should have
        MORE CONTROL than the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT!
        But the folks in the State's Capitol cannot know what is happening in the rest ot the State!

        MORE POWER TO THE,,,
        Counties!

        More power to the COUNTIES within the STATES!

        December 13, 2011 at 10:16 pm |
    • John

      Once again we are at a "shut down the governmnet" point. When the repubs did it they were called racist. Now that BO and the libs are doing it the libs say it is the right thing to do. All the studies say the pipeline is a good idea. Even the unions are on the side od doing the pipeline. This administration is now caught in their own political screwup and were caught with their pants down. Just one more bad situation this administration has caused. Blame the repubs all you want, but if you are not on the side of extending the payroll tax cut and the pipeline you are obviously on the wrong side.
      One more thing – the libs like to think of themselves as "all inclusive". But, as we constantly see in this blog, as well as in every day life, if you disagree with them they try to put you down by calling you names and trying to let you know how inferior they think you are. 2012 can't come soon enough...

      December 14, 2011 at 9:00 am |
      • jean2009

        I would suggest reading: Key Facts on Keystone XL @
        http://www.tarsandsaction.org/spread-the-word/key-facts-keystone-xl/

        It just doesn't jibe with your skewed and unfounded take on the subject.

        December 15, 2011 at 11:42 am |
      • jean2009

        And also read this: http://www.domesticworkers.org/we-need-real-jobs-solutions-not-the-keystone-xl-pipeline
        "We Need Real Jobs Solutions, Not The Keystone XL Pipeline....National Domestic Workers Union.

        December 15, 2011 at 11:49 am |
    • Dean

      Once again, Obama dumps on the middle class.

      December 14, 2011 at 10:13 am |
      • eazy

        Stop with the stupid non sense...How is it Obama? He's fighting for the middle class.

        December 14, 2011 at 3:32 pm |
      • jean2009

        Don't try to rewrite history with me...George W. Bush dumped on the American people and President Obama is trying to clean up the mess.

        December 15, 2011 at 11:50 am |
  2. David W. Lewis

    I support the President's veto of this bill. The Republicans need to quit stalling and approve the tax bill, up or down, no games. How silly and childish.

    December 13, 2011 at 3:44 pm |
    • steveo

      This is a tactic BOTH parties use! Again, I wish they would let each bill stand on it's own merits (or lack of) without attached riders. BOTH parties do this!

      December 13, 2011 at 4:19 pm |
    • Russell Brown

      I wonder what these words mean too GOP
      We the peole of the united states in order to
      form a more perfect union
      establish justice insure domestice
      tranquilty provide for the
      common defence promote the
      general welfare and secure the
      blessings of liberty to ourselves
      and our posterity do ordain and
      establish this constitution for the
      united states of america.

      December 13, 2011 at 7:56 pm |
      • Russell Brown

        people

        December 13, 2011 at 8:10 pm |
    • Susan Booth

      Agreed! Enough with the manipulation.

      December 14, 2011 at 11:28 am |
  3. Peg - Az

    Good – but I know that is no surprise to the GOP who was probably counting on it – so they could simply waste time and put on another show.

    December 13, 2011 at 3:45 pm |
    • steveo

      The GOP knew this would never get through! BOTH parties insert riders into bills. I would like to see bills stand on their own! You are correct in that this is a waste of time just remember BOTH parties do this!

      December 13, 2011 at 3:52 pm |
      • Trace

        steveo,

        Your moderate underpinnings are showing again – LOL You should know, I am hoping your intelligence leads you to support the only party that is proposing sensible solutions for this country at this difficult time. There is absolutely no way to defend the greatness of this country, when one party continues to play ideological games at a time when we can least afford it. (you can figure what party that is)

        As you said, both parties do it. But never in the history of this nation during times of national emergency, has one party decided to continue the practice of attaching unrelated riders to bills. (you can figure what party is still doing that)

        I personally do not believe in support those unwilling to support themselves. Having said that, there are a lot of people, I would say the majority that are out of work through no fault of their own. I agree you that both parties were responsible for this....but I would contend there is only one party trying to fix it and not on the backs of those that can least afford it.

        Lastly, I do not make a million a year, so I have no problems with them getting their taxes raised a percentage point or two on the 2nd million dollars they make. Now come on, that's some serious income every year....MORE THAN ONE MILLION DOLLARS DURING A SINGLE YEAR ! And No I do not believe in the re-distribution of wealth...But I do believe that Warren Buffett is right......Why shouldnt he pay as much in taxes, by percentage, as I do?

        December 14, 2011 at 9:03 am |
      • C-Lo

        Trace–May I suggest getting the Democrat wool off your eyes? I think its time we all get past the Dem/Rep divide and start looking at individuals (of course I've thought that for a long time, as there is less and less difference between the parties).

        To make my case, the Frank-Dodd act limiting bank card charges to merchants. I've said before DC likes to put on a facade when it comes to bills, but the effects of this piece of legislation is a highlight. From a local news story:

        Traditionally banks were charging merchants about $0.42/transaction and Frank-Dodd has lowered that to about $0.22 (nearly half) all in the name of limiting banks' profits and driving down consumer prices, right? Problem is small transactions had traditionally been $0.02-$0.06 per transaction allowing smaller merchants to compete in accepting plastic transactions.

        Now, all transactions are nearer the $0.22 forcing small businesses to either go to cash transactions, increase prices, or lose profits. Those small business owners will lay off or reduce staff to meet their narrow margins, because increased prices will drive off customers. Witness Redbox movies increasing prices from $1.00 to $1.20 to make up the difference in new fees. Who is this hurting–The banks? No. Big Box Store? No (it actually benefits them by lowering their costs, and driving more business to them because they can continue to accept plastic on small purchase). Small business? Yes. The consumer? Yes (particularly the lower end consumer who makes these smaller purchases).

        If these were "intended consequences" i.e. loopholes purposefully left at the beaconing of banks and big box stores, then the wool is over your eyes that Dems are any more for the middle class than anyone else. If these were "unintended consequences" then it shows complete lack of understanding and forward thinking by two senior Democrats.

        No these are not "Fox News" points, they are my own analysis of one specific situation. Let me know your thoughts.

        December 14, 2011 at 9:47 am |
      • steveo

        Good morning Trace and C-Lo,

        Trace,
        I appreciate the case you are trying to make for the Dems. In order for me to make an intelligent choice come November 2012, I need to hear from both nominees. I want to hear a debate of ideas and not fluffy promises which will can never be kept! I will look beyond the "D", "R" or "I" and make my choice! We need statesmen but all we get are polticians!

        C-Lo,

        I used to own a small restaurant (sold it in 2005). I could not imagine now owning one with all the damage the Congress has done to the small business environment! Neither side appears to have the testicular fortitude to lay off pet projects and cut the debt! At the same time both sides paint the other as the bad guy! Instead of CSPAN cameras in the Congress, It would be more honest if they were from Comedy Central (I say that somewhat with tongue in cheek).

        It is going to take a different kind of politics to save this nation, I don't see that emerging from either side yet! I am fairly tired of having to choose bewteen the least of two evils!

        December 14, 2011 at 10:42 am |
      • C-Lo

        Trace–you say you don't make $1mm a year so you have no problem taxing those who do. Is your income $250k or should we drop it to that threshhold? Is it $50k? should we use the median or the mean income as the divider? Maybe we should tax you more too because of all those who don't make as much as your household. All I'm saying is these are arbitrary numbers and it's easy to get emotionally tied to words like "the millionaires in this country." Why don't we revert to ALL tax rates pre-Bush? Afterall those making $45k-$250k should just be glad they are working and earning money, right? Why not (un)fairly burden ALL working Americans with income tax?

        December 14, 2011 at 11:00 am |
      • steveo

        Good afternoon Trace and C-Lo,

        Trace,
        I appreciate the case you are trying to make for the Dems. In order for me to make an intelligent choice come November 2012, I need to hear from both nominees. I want to hear a debate of ideas and not fluffy promises which will/can never be kept! I will look beyond the "D", "R" or "I" and make my choice! We need statesmen but all we get are polticians!

        C-Lo,

        I used to own a small restaurant (sold it in 2005). I could not imagine now owning one with all the damage the Congress has done to the small business environment! Neither side appears to have the testicular fort-itude to lay off pet projects and cut the debt! At the same time both sides paint the other as the bad guy! Instead of CSPAN cameras in the Congress, It would be more honest if they were from Comedy Central (I say that somewhat with tongue in cheek).

        It is going to take a different kind of politics to save this nation, I don't see that emerging from either side yet! I am fairly tired of having to choose bewteen the least of two evils!

        December 14, 2011 at 11:21 am |
      • Trace

        Steveo,

        Of course, you do need to take time to look at your choices for Nov 2012. I honestly believe the only way to make progress is to take a definitive position, support it, stick with it. I have never known of anything worth accomplishing, that did not require involvement and a decision certain.

        I do not say that I agree with everything the Democratic party is all about. There are some Democrats that embarass me. You see, early on I became disenchanted with the Democratic party, as I cast my first vote at age 18 for Carter and then immediately thereafter for Reagan. Boy did that screw me up. Carter was indecisive and led for a soley compassionate standpoint. A good man, a great spiritual person, but a failure as a president. Reagan created became a symbol for Republican hypocrisy that has lived with me ever since.

        We always hear about the effectiveness of "trickle down economics".....That S$%t never worked and never will. This is when the great disperity between the middle class and the ultra rich truly began. And I hate to mention the embarassment of Iran/Contra scandal. Ok...the fall of the USSR and/or communism came under Reagan, but that was done by promoting a phoney concept called "Star Wars", when in reality, Reagan brought us the 1st Trillion Dollar Deficit.

        The Republican Party...The Party of Fiscal constraint.....NOT. The Republican Party....the Party of Strong National Defense....NOT! The Republican Party of narrow acceptance of religion...That would be true! The Republican Party one of narrow tolerance as it relates to race....That would be true! The Republican Party one that touts small government but wants to be in the bedroom and make decisions for what a woman does with her body....That would be true! Now....you would find me protesting to legalize gay marriage, nor would I publically condone abortions, but I do believe that people should be allowed to live their lives as they see fit and as it doesn't infringe on the rights of the next guy....That's Freedom !

        Again the Dems are nowhere near perfect but a sight better than what I see in the GOP/Candidates that look like a complete joke at this point.

        SORRY C-LO.....I have nothing but respect for you partner but even you can argue this – LOL

        December 15, 2011 at 6:31 am |
      • steveo

        Trace,

        You're sounding a little bit moderate these days! I will agree with you that the GOP is not as fiscally responsible as they claim to be. In fact, neither party is. Nobody appears to be serious about addressing the debt and to me, that is the major issue of our time.

        I, like you voted across party lines. I voted for Reagan and then later on voted for Clinton because I thought Clinton was the better candidate! I am not afraid to cross that line again! I just have to feel one candidate is better than the other! I realize, we are not voting for perfection.

        Trace both parties have had their share of scandal. Iran-Contra under Reagan. Monica under Clinton, the list goes on and on. We are voting for imperfect people to occupy the highest offices in the land, if not the world. That is why we need to take this very seriously.

        We get caught up in personalities and promises. It has almost bolied down to American Idol! However folks decide to vote, we just need to be smart and thoughful about it! Our future is in the balance!

        December 15, 2011 at 9:37 am |
      • C-Lo

        Trace, I'm like you from the other side, I don't agree with all of the Republican party, and more so these days than in the days of Regan. You are right about a lot of what they have come to represent (or be falsely accused of representing). I honestly do not believe, for instance, they are the party of racism. Are there racist who register R? Yes, but that doesn't make the party or other individuals who associate with the party racists any more than the women's rights contingent in the D's make you an abortion advocate. They are not the party of small gov't any more. They are not the party of fiscal conservatism (though they are moving back in that direction with the tea party contingent that the left so viehemently hates).

        That said, it has been this "transformation" of the Republicans over the last 20 yrs that gave rise to the Tea Party, if you listen to the original, central message–not the slanted versions that came out later. It was a message I embraced as "we want our country back (as individuals not controlled so heavily in DC)" And many on the left were correct in questioning why this movement didn't happen with Bush in the White House. It probably should have.

        I guess the central difference between the likes of Steveo and myself and you and your ideological cohorts is we have a general distrust of gov't and a belief in the power and potential of the individual. Libs have full faith in gov't and its ability to create solutions for any and every problem. A gov't is run by people who are as prone to mistakes, misunderstandings and corruption as any of us. But when they are empowered to make, literally, life and death decisions and create written laws that threaten our lives, liberties and pursuits of happiness, a large, powerful gov't does strike fear in me. It's rediculous that I am in fear of being pulled over because I choose not to wear my seatbelt when going a mile to the store for instance.

        December 15, 2011 at 1:34 pm |
  4. B

    The Pipeline connection should never have been attached to this so let him Veto it. This is why most legislation is not getting done and the Republicans are totally responsible as they know that it will not work. Then the Republicans come back and blame the President for not doing anything!

    It is all about Sabotaging any effort of Obama and the Republicans are willing to take down this economy to destroy him and everyone knows it now.

    December 13, 2011 at 5:26 pm |
  5. jerry

    please obama veto it...you are on the ropes where you have put yourself. A year ago you were strutting around the world acting like a king ignoring the other party and doing as you please...now you are in trouble...so I have only one thing to say to you: Good bye, don't let the door hit you in the ___s!

    December 13, 2011 at 8:51 pm |
    • tnwoman1948

      @jerry:

      "A year ago you were strutting around the world......" You are such a jealous, ignorant loser! President has never strutted anywhere. He is the duly elected President of America representing us in foreign. I think you are projecting. You are probably some white male loser with a dead end job who resents a successful black person. That is about all you think you have, your whiteness. You are NOTHING just accept that reality.

      December 13, 2011 at 10:41 pm |
      • 1FreeWorld

        @tnwoman,

        Jerry's problem was that he said 1 Year Ago,,,

        It has been 3 Years and in every Year there-after, the Commie-DemocRATs have taken a Shellaking,,,

        Ooops,,, I thought SHELLACKING means Loser! (wink)

        You say:

        "He is the duly elected President of America representing us in foreign."

        So many Election Violations and DemocRATs in Jail!
        LOL, Duly????
        2009,
        2010, and
        2011.
        Can you let us know what happened in each of those years???? DemocRAT FAILURE and LOSERs!

        Just watch what happens in 2012!

        The MOTHER of ALL SHELLACKINGS on the Commie/DemocRATS!!!!

        December 13, 2011 at 11:10 pm |
      • Trace

        @tnwoman1948,

        You seem like an intelligent lady. Please don't waste your time responding to the stupidity of our resident trolls. Giving them attention for their dribble, delutes the intelligent conversation the rest of us have on these important topics, and by that alone, the knuckle dragging idiots win.

        BTW, you can tell a troll's post right? Those would be the one's without facts and repleat with childish name calling

        December 14, 2011 at 9:12 am |
  6. 1FreeWorld

    Maybe these Guys can straighten out the White/Black thing:

    [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGuNou13-D8&w=640&h=360]

    December 13, 2011 at 11:13 pm |
  7. david

    i look at the lazy bunch of part time 2 days a week working house republicans and see them as one big joke on the american people. what in the heck does a pipeline have to do with a tax cut? this baby boomer is getting tired of being a hostage to be used by the republican party and will do all i can in the next election to change this mess. come on baby boomers its time to show this last generation just how you change the direction of a country. remember some of the words of our youth " SOME PEOPLE SEE THINGS AS THEY ARE AND ASK WHY! I DREAM THINGS THAT NEVER WERE AND SAY WHY NOT"! bobby kennedy

    December 14, 2011 at 1:14 am |
    • steveo

      David, You asked what does a pipeline have to do with tax cuts. The answer is NOTHING! Welcome to politics 101! As much as you may have been a victim of the GOP, many others have been victimized by the DEMS. This rider tactic is used by both the GOP and the DEMS! It is a cheap, underhanded way to attach something unpopular and doomed to rejection (if allowed to stand on its own merits) to a popular piece of legislation! The only folks getting hur by this are us!

      December 14, 2011 at 9:21 am |
  8. Jules

    Once again the GOP plays politics with people's lives. I don't think this bill will get to the floor of the senate, but if it does and passes, the president should veto it and send it back to the house for a vote on extending the payroll tax cuts and extending unemployment benefits period. Nothing else. Not passing this will make economic matters worse, not better.

    December 14, 2011 at 7:06 am |
    • Russell Brown

      these are the words of William Ernest Henley
      out of the night covers me
      black as the pit from pole to pole I thank what ever
      gods may be for my unconquerable soul,
      in the fell clutch of circomstance,
      I have not winced nor cried aloud.
      under the bludgeoning of chance
      my head is bloody but unbowed.
      Beyond this place of wath and tears ,
      looms but the horror of the shade and,
      yet the menace of the years finds and shall,
      find me unaffraid ,
      it matters not how strait the gate,
      how chaged with punishment the scroll
      I am the captain of my soul.

      December 14, 2011 at 8:26 am |
      • jean2009

        Invictus

        December 15, 2011 at 12:13 pm |
  9. Chrisg510

    I agree with the President. To many Americans are hurting, Stop the games GOP/TP. And to the The Central Scrutinizer, Americans will not forget the GOP/TP candidates and the House GOP/TP saying, "Let American Default on its Debts" The summer of 2010.
    ,

    December 14, 2011 at 10:53 am |
    • MaryM

      You are correct Chrisg510, Americans will not forget the teapublicans saying Let America Default on its debts. The Central Scrutinizer has gone off his meds are is confined in a hospital in Texas.

      December 14, 2011 at 10:57 am |
      • steveo

        MARYM,

        I won't forget that either. I addition, I won't forget:

        The promise of the most transparent admin in history and five days to review bills before they are signed into law! (Obama)
        The promise of $2 gasoline (Bachman)

        There are a still a few of us who realize promises mean little. There is still a Congress that determines if promises will be kept or not! In short, we need more effort by all and less fluffy promises!
        We are still falling this nonsends

        December 14, 2011 at 11:29 am |
      • steveo

        *falling for this nonsense

        December 14, 2011 at 11:31 am |
      • MaryM

        well steveo, which one will be American Public remember. The debt ceiling debacle or the transparent one?

        February 21, 2012 at 7:07 pm |
  10. rob

    The Republicans just do the same old thing... everyone pays taxes except the millionaires, Last time I check the President gave them what they wanted & still the millionaires havn't made or created one job? Why in the hello would you want to put in the bill to spend of oil pipline through the US... We just got over a major spill in Louisiana, they have no clue

    December 14, 2011 at 5:02 pm |
    • jean2009

      Thanks rob.
      FYI Rethugliklans do not care for America, for the American worker, the American middle class, or this country's environmental issue of a putting a dirty tar sands pipeline through this country to the gulf so they can ship Canadian dirty oil to China. They are owned lock stock and barrel by international big business interests whose only mantra is pillage and burn anything and anyone that stands in the way of their making a profit. They also don't care that the Chinese burning that dirty oil is currently playing havoc with our environment.

      December 15, 2011 at 11:59 am |