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January 26th, 2012
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Tarmac tiff brings shines light on immigration debate Washington (CNN) –The “testy tarmac” exchange between President Obama and Arizona Governor Jan Brewer was clearly the water cooler story of the day, and it has stirred debate on a broader national issue: Immigration reform. Differences over how to solve the problem of illegal immigration and how the discussion was handled in a 2010 Oval Office meeting are at the root of the tiff. The frustration extends to Latino voters, but for a different reason: the slow pace of progress. But in this 2012 campaign, Ali Noorani, executive director of the National Immigration Forum, says the Latino vote is up for grabs. "They realize that President Obama deported more immigrants, Latinos than any other president,” Noorani said. “They also know that Republicans stood in the way of the DREAM Act, and Republicans haven't put a proposal on the table to fix immigration." During his State of the Union address the president repeated his call for comprehensive immigration reform. “The opponents of action are out of excuses,” the president said, even as he touted accomplishments. “My administration has put more boots on the border than ever before. That’s why there are fewer illegal crossing than when I took office.” Gearing up for what is expected to be a highly competitive general election campaign, the president is courting this crucial segment of the Democratic base. In an interview Thursday with Spanish language network Univision, the president blamed Republicans for failing to deliver immigration reform. “We couldn’t get any Republican votes. Zero. None. And yeah, that’s the way the House and the Senate work right now,” said President Obama. The president is also promoting his policies this week in states like Arizona and Nevada with heavy Latino populations. In Florida, the first lady joined Latino organizations in promoting healthy eating habits. "At the end of the day, good policy makes for good politics," said Noorani of the National Immigration Forum. |
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It's not Tarmac. It's either concrete or asphalt concrete.
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She saw this as a PR OPPORTUNITY FOR HER BOOK ITS OBVIOUS. THE HAG HAD THE CAMERA'S READY. HER ACTS WERE DISTASTEFUL AND NOT LADY LIKE!! What a dirty rat!!! She is an authorative figure, pushing and promoting aggressive behavior to solve a disagreement. Get over yourself..It's ashamed that some of you ignoramous' agree with this behavior and are flocking to download her book. What a disgrace to her state she should be fired fined and and books her pulled should be yanked from stores..BUT, I'M SURE SHE'LL MAKE MILLIONS. ONLY IN THE USA THIS IS OK!!
You are an idiot OR an "obama-bot" to be More Specific...!!!-Your prez. obummer got into HER (jan brewers) face NOT the other way around, She has Every Right to defend herself when Faced with a lyin', two-faced, DOG...Get over it..!!!
Jan is a liar and who reared a MAN to disrepect a woman she is sick..HER SON IS A KIDNAPER AND RAPIST. We as American's would certainly like to know how to protect our children from people like that Within our borders. I'm hoping Jan has a book for that....But, no she rathers have those records sealed so no one finds out all the while she DISPLAYS THE SAME AGGRESSIVE, DISPRESTFUL BEHAVIOR AND YOU ALL ARE SAYING THIS IS OK and teaching your children to do the same!! What is this world coming to??!? She lied about her dad dying in the war and stole money is under investigation for stealing money from social security!!
what's really ironic I only found out about her son after posting the comment about her being disrespective, aggressive, and arrogant. There is a lot more for you to learn about this woman you are defending. I would have thought we would have learned something from the incident with Rep. Gifford with promoting such behaviors!! What has this world come to where rearing agressive, idiots is ok!! I would be ashamed if I were you.
She just wanted to get her panties in a twist because two federal courts have found her immigration legislation SB1070 unconstitutional, and SCOTUS probably will too. The same legislation that was written to supply her cronies with many candidates to fill their private prison system. All you have to do is research Arizona prisons, Jan Brewer and SB1070. So what does she do, but fly in on her nimbus 2000 and be rude to the President of the United States.
This is just another deal like those who profited from No Child Left Behind legislation.
Just white trash doing what they do. It is so fitting that she is governor of such a state overflowing with it.
If you reread the article, its not white trash the state is overflowing with
While ordinary Americans work and pay taxes, social security, and medical insurance, Illegal immigrants work and earn a living too but they do not pay income taxes. They do not declare "married" so the wife and children get free health care. What is wrong with our government? This problem has been going on for a long long time, and nothing is done. Immigration has to take a strong stance against illegals.
Actually, if it weren't for the FICA ,and other taxes, withheld from immigrant wages that they will never draw on our balance sheets would be a lot worse than they currently are. According to the Daily News illegal immigrants paid $11.2 billion in U. S. taxes in 2011. They actually paid more taxes than General Electric which paid zero taxes.
Even a person who only pays rent actually pays property taxes for the landlord; which in turn repair the roads, support the local schools, etc. If they pay sales tax that supports the state...plus these are things they cannot claim on a tax form as a deduction, and they cannot claim SS. In other words they pay for items which are non-refundable to them.
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-04-20/local/29470037_1_sales-taxes-tax-revenue-property-taxes
"They actually paid more taxes than General Electric which paid zero taxes."
That one statement sums up the irony of the current political climate:
On one hand we have the Norquist posse. Those who vowed not to raise taxes under any circumstances
On the other we have a multi billion dollar company that paid zero taxes! The sad thing is BOTH are wrong.
The Pelosi lead house corrected nothing and neither has Boehner! Rangle was the chair of the House Ways and Means committee and hand trouble paying is taxes and he was responsible for the tax code!
Yet stones are thrown at Romney for paying 15% of his millions! Buffett is paying that same 15% and I hear nothing! Not even crickets! Neither the DEMS or the GOP cared enough to change the tax code. Why?
We have the Obama jobs Czar (Immelt , the CEO of GE) moving an entire division to China at the very same time the President is calling for tax incentives for jobs to come back here! Anybody thinks tax incentives matter to GE when they pay NO TAXES right now?
Maybe Immelt simply forget he was appointed the AMERICAN jobs czar! Maybe it is all smoke and mirrors! Maybe neither party cares!
Politics, like water takes the path of least resistance! Much easier to raise taxes than to re write the tax code and make GE pay their fair share! Yet we stil play the "my party is better than your party" games! Really?
"They actually paid more taxes than General Electric which paid zero taxes."
That one statement sums up the irony of the current political climate:
On one hand we have the Norquist posse. Those who vowed not to raise taxes under any circ-umstances
On the other we have a multi billion dollar company that paid zero taxes! The sad thing is BOTH are wrong.
The Pelosi lead house corrected nothing and neither has Boehner! Rangle was the chair of the House Ways and Means committee and hand trouble paying is taxes and he was responsible for the tax code!
Yet stones are thrown at Romney for paying 15% of his millions! Buffett is paying that same 15% and I hear nothing! Not even crickets! Neither the DEMS or the GOP cared enough to change the tax code. Why?
We have the Obama jobs Czar (Immelt , the CEO of GE) moving an entire division to China at the very same time the President is calling for tax incentives for jobs to come back here! Anybody thinks tax incentives matter to GE when they pay NO TAXES right now?
Maybe Immelt simply forget he was appointed the AMERICAN jobs czar! Maybe it is all smoke and mirrors! Maybe neither party cares!
Politics, like water takes the path of least resistance! Much easier to raise taxes than to re write the tax code and make GE pay their fair share! Yet we stil play the "my party is better than your party" games! Really?
@Trace,
I called out the GOP (Norquist posse), your turn to do the same on the left!
Steveo–I just had an epiphany when reading your comment (and others recently), particularly addressing Trace.
The problem is there are a lot of liberals (and to be fair, conservatives) who, because they see everything politically black and white, with no grey area and blinded by their own party, they automatically associate that trait to all others who are politically outspoken. They believe it's us vs. them, the whole Bush, either you are with us or against us. Voices of reason are drowned out by the noise, and once you've been pegged in one camp or another, you are automatically loved or hated.
The only arguments you will see from too many on the left against Obama are that he hasn't been liberal/socialist enough (more to his credit than theirs). That's why you'll never see any on the left call him out, and WE are given the label of liars, haters, racists, obstructionists etc.
What C.S. Lewis said about progress: "We all want progress, but if you're on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; in that case, the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive. "
Some food for thought!
C-Lo,
100% agreed. Nobody cannot disagree any more without being labeled something!
My intent is not to be mean but I have noticed (according to the left) EVERY disagreement with this administration is rooted in racism and hatred! Never before has that term flowed so easily and so quickly! Is that a substitute now for debate?
All the while we continue the decline!
Well stated C-Lo!
C-Lo,
100% agreed. Nobody cannot disagree any more without being labeled something!
My intent is not to be mean but I have noticed (according to the left) EVERY disagreement with this administration is rooted in racism and hatred! Never before has that term flowed so easily and so quickly! Is that a subst-itute now for debate?
All the while we continue the decline!
Well stated C-Lo!
Jean–these are old, tired arguments of them paying into the system and not getting a return. First, how many of them are working for cash rather than a taxed paycheck? Second, "paying property taxes," please. The landlord is saddled with that tax whether it's unoccupied, occupied by a legal, or an illegal, and even so, the taxes you try to pass through as them paying are also providing schooling, including bi-lingual required curriculums, free/reduced lunches, medical services, repair for the same wear & tear on the infrustructure they create as any of us, cost to gov't for bi-lingual services, etc, etc, etc, not to mention all of the money sent back "home" that doesn't go to support the businesses, goods and services in the US and the loss of tax revenue that would otherwise generate.
How many "illegals" do you see driving around in Nissan Leafs, Chevy Volts, Toyotya Priuses? No, more than likely they are in 15+ year old vehicles, guzzling gas and polluting our air.
Bottom line, your article (look at the source) is smoke and mirrors. Now I don't fault them for coming here trying to make a better life for themselves and their families, and in some ways admire their courage. What I don't admire and do fault are all of the rediculous arguments like this one. Now if you want to argue that they come here and do the jobs for lower pay than an "American" reducing the cost of our goods (food), and that many (most) of them do just fine as neighbors/community members and should therefore be welcomed into our country with open arms and open borders then that's fine, but stop with the "pay taxes and recieve no benefit" lie.
@C-Lo as a previous owner of rental property only a fool rents property without making enough to pay all the taxes, the mortgage, insurance and maintenance costs. Even if you have a vacancy you can normally make the bills.
You may also want to read the article under Ezra Klein-Economic and Domestic Policy; and Lots of It. Blog for the Washington Post dated August 11, 2010 and written by Dylan Matthews-"Research Desk Evaluates: How Does Immigration affect Social Security finances?"
The Social Security Administration estimates that 8.8 million or 2/3 of the total number of illegal immigrants provide $9 billion in yearly revenue....which will never be reclaimed due to their not having valid SS numbers.
I think you will find the whole article insightful. I can seriously see going after drug dealers and criminals, but going after someone who is has been here willing to work at a job many Americans won't, at practically slave labor wages.....and no.... I don't think the research they did for the article was a phony lie as you imply. That you don't want to accept the research from the Social Security Administration itself is very telling.
Jan Brewer was very out-of-line...and rude, probably wanting to up the sell her book since she knows her profits from that private prison system is probably going to be zilch.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/08/research_desk_evaluates_how_do.html
@C-Lo I must not be as expert at profiling as you. When I see people driving around I don't factually know the legality of their citizenship...and I wouldn't consider the age, or fuel requirements, of their vehicle as the deciding factor. FYI that may be the reason Brewer's SB1070 has run into so much trouble.
Stop confusing me with facts!!! If I want to be a Xenophone don't try to change me.
@Jean–you made my point Jean, it is not the renters who pay the property tax–if the property is unoccupied the tax is still due. The market dictates the rental rates, not the property owner. If I see that rental rates are $1000 for a certain type of property, then I have to decide whether I can pay the costs of owning that property for the amount I can rent it out for. If taxes and mortgage and insurance are more than the $1000, I cannot raise the rent to cover it when the renter can go "next door" for the same property at that rate. Therefore, in the end, it is the landlord who is responsible for and pays for the property tax.
As for your "argument" about SS taxes–as i tried to point out, that argument is a falacy, or more accurately, myopic. That report only points out the difference paying into SS/Medicare vs. the costs to provide SS payments in the future. Did you even notice that it does not address medicare/medicaid payments? I (don't) wonder why. There are a multitude of "free" clinics set up in Colorado under different groupings, the most "prestegious" and effective one is Plan de Salud Del Valle, which is used as a model for similar groups around the country. The ones here are focused on "migrant workers" both legal and illegal and are financed primarily through private donations, medicare and medicaid. As I am sure you can come to an easy conclusion, private donations do not come close to funding these clinics.
Nor does the "report" take into account the many other services I outlined. It appears that the costs to California alone eat up that entire "benefit" http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/article_5cedf831-9d5d-5335-af7e-2af6730a577c.html
So again, I say these are old, tired arguments that are smoke and mirrors.
And lastly, about my "xenophobic" "profiling," you will notice first that I put the term "illegal" in quotes, understanding the incendiary nature of it, I never once made mention of nationality, race, or any other classification–the condo complex where I have my rental is filled primarily with Eastern Europeans. You and rrroger made the assumption, by the way roger thanks for calling me Xenophon, quite the complement.
and GE employs more people than the Illegals ever will.
jean your confusing legal immigrants and illegal immigrants. The illegal ones dont pay tax because they are undocumented and are typically paid in cash...
You have Obama encouraging, and protecting illegal immigration across our borders, and then standing in the way, when the states want to do something about that totally criminal behavior!
Obama's behavior is in fact, treasonous!
You are literally accusing the President of the United States of treason.
IF THE SHOE FITS ...
AND obummer & holder SOLD guns to Mexican Drug Cartels, YES I believe that obummer IS a Treasonist DOG
not treasonist, just incompetent. like most politicians regardless of their party.
No, save that word treasonous for the entire Republican party. They are the ones un American. The republicans are disrepecting the President position. It does not matter who the President is that position should never be disrespected. It is the highest authority of our Nation. I can not wait until November the Congress, Governors that come in the name of Rebublican will join the unemployment line. They are clearly on the wrong side of History.
were you around the last election??? did you see the way the libs were running from Oblahblah....inform yourself..do
a little research...can you read????
disrespting is NOT a word...the correct terminology is disrespectful...
wow, I think someone is addicted to the democrat coolaid!
Listen Rick, we all knew you were somewhat a dunce and a bit dim witted, when it comes to reality and facts, but calling this president treasonous (?) Really, Really ?? have you checked the facts AT ALL? I personally know a few friends hired by the Dept of Homeland Security and they are part of a considerable ground force on the borders these days. There are far more agents than ever before, and I have live no more than 30 miles away from the border for most of my adult life. So I actually know what I'm talking about.....But I'd bet you can see Mexico from you trailer – right? Really...This president is committing treason? Good luck genius
Obama and his self serving propagandists have succeeded in poisoning the reputations of many, in their efforts to eliminate all who oppose him. They would be unable to succeed in their evil, ugly efforts, if not for the blind and stupid complicity of the biased main stream media, and stooges, like the bloggers here, who always demonize his detractors, no matter how true their accusations. Obama is a thin skinned egomaniac, who gets worse, with each measure of additional power he gains.
Any of the GOP candidates would make a much better President than obama !!!
What a Dolt You are...try checking Your facts cuz the high & mighty obummer is in the process of circumventing Congress & Providing his version of "Back-Door" Amnesty to Thousands of ILLEGALS, We have a Separation of Powers for a Reason....obummer proves the need for it, fyi the Garbage Truck will be waiting at the Curb for obummer & his crooked minions come Nov....!!!
So tell us why would Pres.Obama grant backdoor amnesty, if as you say he deported more than any other President.
@irked – cuz is not a word either...it is "because". Unless of course you speak Spanish where jcuz cuz means Here Boy!
classic conservative....blame the other guy for what you are guilty of....
not this time Ricky.....its getting old and tiresome to hear this dribble....
show some respect for our President.
I respect the position not the man
So sick of your guy, bra bra bra without any fact. Even you have not taught by your mom of minimum manner, at least you know what you are saying do not help anyone, but demise yourself. It is so sad to see you and lots of tea baggers and the do nothing congress stand in the way of progress, keeping American dram alive and kicking. I am glad the President is far more smart and honorable than you.
Honorable!!???Smart!!??? Fast and furious, Solyndra, suing several states over immigration, dragging that idiot Calderon up here to chastise our congress, I guess they can get Brian Terry's vote now, off of his tombstone! Libtards are blind following sheep!
that was the least coherant paragraph i've ever read. Keep studying your English, your almost there!
No, it isn't. and you probably don't even know what the word "treason" means.
Brewers behavior was downright nasty and reprehensible, no matter what disagreement
she has about anything whether it's illegal immigration or the color of the Presidents tie (personally I think
her real problem is the color of his skin).
When somone (such as Yourself) feels the need to pull out the Race card that just means that they have NO argument...Don't feel bad, IF I had to defend obummer I'd be at a loss as well....!!!!!!!!!
Indeed, pulling the race card is like resorting to fists to prove your point. Its the signature sign of a limited mind.
WAY TO GO !!! Governor Brewer !!! Why didn't you give obumster your boot up his asss????
Nice. Have you always had complete disrespect for the office of the POTUS, or is this something new? Why would you want the personification of the USA to be treated in such a manner? Why do you hate America?
SO libs think if America really wanted to stop illegals crossing the border our military couldn't do it? It is a complicated issue, but the part of stopping illegals from walking and riding over the border is an easy fix if we really wanted to do it.
Are you out of your mind, or just unable to accept the facts? Obama has deported more illegal immigrants than his predecessor. He has put more personnel at our borders than his predecessor. He has pressured Congress to meet its obligations to craft immigration policy, but the Republican party refuses to do its duty.
As regards Governor Brewer – she chose to disregard the private nature of a meeting she attended, apparently "forgot" that she originally reported it as useful and productive, then misrepresented it in her book. It's obvious that she has no respect for the office of the President, or for the concept of privacy. She has, however, done a good job of demonstrating how she expects to be treated herself in her role as Governor. Apparently, she does not believe that her office is due any respect, either.
actually i take it that she has respect for the office just not its current occupant.
Where are your facts? Cite your sources.
Jan is a liar and who reared a MAN to disrepect a woman she is sick..HER SON IS A KIDNAPER AND RAPIST. We as American's would certainly like to know how to protect our children from people like that Within our borders. I'm hoping Jan has a book for that....But, no she rathers have those records sealed so no one finds out all the while she DISPLAYS THE SAME AGGRESSIVE, DISPRESTFUL BEHAVIOR AND YOU ALL ARE SAYING THIS IS OK and teaching your children to do the same!! What is this world coming to??!?
The great uniter...doing his best to tear this country apart. Gov Brewer just wanted to talk with him about her states needs and probelms...obama wanted to do damage control on his image...what an arrogent sob he is. It is all about power...and using seal team six before speeches(last year to take out osama whle he was facing preasure for his birth cert)...and my having Gifford retire at his state of the uniion...this guy has NO shame. It is all about media hype and manipulation. Then having the wealthest secretary in the world in the box with mz obama...oh my.
President Obama's behavior Is "treasonous"?? Brewer's behavior shows her complete lack of class.
Her answer to the immigration crisis Arizona faces is Joe Arpaio and his Tent prison camps. Now
there is a really "practical" solution, isn't it.
Brewer and Arpaio need to crawl back under their rocks...
Governor of Arizona is a joke and unprofessional. She needs to loose her job. Trailer trash...
lead the way
The republican party has spent the last 3 years disrespecting this president why stop now? Shaking your finger in the presidents face is disgusting and saying you felt threatened. This bimbo up against angry black man act wont cut it. She is a bigot and showed it today. How disgusting the repos have become. So much for family values.
Stop with the "repos" that and the "repos" that. Realize Brewer was wrong and if the president walked away while she was talking to him, so was he. Brewer is not all Republicans, she is a governor on the front lines of this issue who feels DC is more in tuned with Illegals than the citizens of her state.
This issue (immigration) is highly volatile and emotional. Let me ask you a question. How many kidnappings and murders have occurred in her state and have been attributed to illegals? Anybody remember the American rancher who was killed on his own land by an illegal? This issue is real and deserves the proper attention from DC and is not getting it!
I am not excusing or condoning Brewer's behavior. She could have and should have handled herself better , but anyone cam see this administration has done nothing about this issue! I am starting to believe NO one can support their party without bad mouthing the other. You seem to forget how Reid and Pelosi tag teamed Bush! Disrespect is on both sides! Hatred is on both sides! Are moderates and independents the only ones who can see this?
I won't address your family values statement because i am sure you know they are plenty of "politicians" we can discuss (FROM BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE)
Steveo stop with self righteous defense of the "repos"! If you were going to voice a complaint, start with telling your own party (the repos) to start with the facts, instead of constantly spreading lies, hatred, fear and paranoia. As I said in the earlier post, I live no more than 30 miles from the border, and I can assure you that this president is doing more about the problem of illegal immigration than any administration over the past 20 plus years. But don't take my word for it, research the facts for yourself. Start with going to the DHS...look up the number of deportations over the past 3 years, and reported number of illegal crossings during the same period. You will see deportations at a record level. Illegal crossing are at an all time low during this period of time. Now granted, the site does say, one possible impact to the every decreasing numbers of illegal crossings, is likely impacted by fewer jobs in the U.S.. So the incentive of better jobs and pay may not be as strong, but facts are facts and if you want to defend the generalizing of the "repos" as "..not all of us are idiots" ...THEN STAND UP AND SPEAK OUT WHEN YOU SEE MEMBERS OF YOUR PARTY SPEAKING MISTRUTHS, FAUX NEWS LIES....otherwise don't expect anyone to respect you for your lack of courage, being forth right and honest. I still respect you...but its time for you to show yourself honorable sir!
Trace,
Did you happen to clearly read what I wrote? I don't think so. I said Brewer's behavior was wrong. With all your tea potty rants, you are the last to lecture me! Many times I have stated the GOP's policy to make Obama a one termer is wrong. Why? With all the energy they are wasting trying to boot him out is energy that should be applied to help us this country back on its feet!. I am no fan of that behavior and I am no fan of the personal attacks on families , wives, and children from either side! I am no fan of the constant crying of race, racism, or anything else from your side on anyone who challenges POLICY! In saying that I am fully aware racism does exist and hatred towards this president exists. I have said ALL of that before.
You want to have a grown up conversation, I'm all in. Sadly you seem to tihnk the problem is one sided! News flash it is not! Both parties are to blame and I have said that over and over again!
Nothing you just said justifies swinging your finger in the face of a grown man, nonetheless the President of the United States.
Iverson,
THIS IS WHAT I SAID:
1. "Realize Brewer was wrong"
2. "I am not excusing or condoning Brewer's behavior. She could have and should have handled herself better"
3 ."Brewer's behavior was wrong"
All are direct quotes from what I wrote! Not ONE time did I justify or excuse her behavior! Instead I CRITICIZED her for it!
Steveo and C-Lo,
You guys are entirely too smart to get this twisted by saying "the problem is on both sides"....Let's talk about that a minute shall we? Jean2009, george and myself (and some others), we are typically responding to bloggers insulting the president. That's a fact ! We are democrats "lefties" right? Ok, Obama represents our party. Who represents the Republican party? Have we insulted that person? Have even insulted the failed policies of the conservative party? ; certainly not directly except pointing out the outcomes and obvious results. We fire back at those cowards that sit behind their computers and insult a president who is doing the best he can in a very toxic, polarized environment. I will reiterate once again...Obama is the most hated president in our lifetimes...the threats, the name calling has been unprecedented...and if you say otherwise, you are not being truthful...But BEFORE YOU GO THERE; Don't bother saying Bush was hated by the leftuh.... Yesterday, I asked all of my conservative friends at work about this same topic. The overall consensus was, The Left never actually Hate Bush, if they did, they could have drummed up all sorts of articles of impeachment and it would be more than for leaving semen on a dress....The lefties thought he was just INCOMPETENT......Me personally....I felt sorry for the guy, much the same as I feel sympathy for a special needs child. The fact is lefties are naturally compassionate people. And we don't hate the intellectual disadvantaged. In fact we will support them, often at the peril of the entire country....e.g. voting to go to war in Iraq on faulty intelligence that Dubya failed to corroborate, or allow a corrupt VP (Cheney) to out a CIA (Plame) for debunking the story that Saddam was seeking yellow cake fiscile material for a nuclear weapon in Africa. Remember ; a number of Dems voted with Bush for that misadventure in Iraq. Is there any fool out there; believing the Republican party would support Obama in anything? If so, I have some Beach Front property in AZ I would sell ya real cheap, right next door to Jan Brewer. So come guys, be realistic. Its unreasonable to expect any of us lefties to stop pushing back on the lies posted by the trolls that criticize a duly elected, Intelligent President, who has shown me time and time again, he's willing to protect me and my family, as well as fight against monied interest in my behalf...call it class warfare, whatever ...but I don't think Obama should be hated for it
Trace,
We are talking about 2 differing things. When I say both parties are at fault, I am talking about policy (some and not all), I am talking about the constant in-fighting, I am talking about the failure to compromise. you are talking about personal attacks. I whole heartily agree with you! The personal, racist, ignorant attacks are mind boggling, petty, juvenile, ridiculous, and wrong!
My problem is even INTELLIGENT, policy focused disagreement is called racism! That is what I object to! You want to correct ignorant statements? Have at it! I have not yet objected! My objection is like i said, policy focused disagreement is labeled as racism! That is equally wrong! Even I have been labeled a racist on this very site!
One other point of disagree is your use of blankets statements. You stated: The fact is lefties are naturally compassionate people. And we don't hate the intellectual disadvantaged. In fact we will support them, often at the peril of the entire country
1. Let's ask an aborted child about that compassion, shall we?
2. Smug, arrogant statements such as: "...We don't hate the intellectual disadvantaged" adds NOTHING to intelligent debate and in fact, it distracts from it. So I am less intelligent than you because of political disagreement?
3. Trace, do you even realize you are wagging your finger at others while doing the same thing yourself?
All of these just because of political disagreement?
I agree there is hatred toward the president is real and I'l say uncalled for. I disagree with you when you say Bush was not hated!
So yes BOTH parties fault. Do not forget the antics of Reid and Pelosi under Bush! Their obstruction was just as real and just as pathetic! There was little compromise back then too! Lastly Obama knows how this game is played. He and Biden both sat in the Senate. Right, wrong, or indifferent. That is just how is it!
that is not to be unexpected since the democrats spent the previous 8 years disrespecting it. remember everyone gets a turn 🙂
So because she showed that she didnt agree with him she is now a bigot? i guess its easy to stand on the sidelines and yell "BIGOT!!!! when you dont have a dog in the hunt.
OBama is surging in the Polls. up 14 points on economy and 16 points on how he is running the country. He is in campaing mode nobody can stop the Obama machine....
2 term limits. that will stop them every time. 🙂
Using racism for campaign tactics wll backfire on the Republicans. No President has wo the White House without the African American and Latino vote.
Why do the pro illegal natural assume all Hispanics support illegal immigration?
there is a difference between Illegal and Legal immigration. All sides of the immigration debate need to recognize that distinction in order to hold productive debate.
if the Congress care about America’s immigration system. you can start by removing wet foot, dryfoot" policy, in terms of allowing Cuban refugees that racist
Why is this anti-hispanic when it applies to all illegal immigrants? illegal is not a Race. It is Illegal
Political expediency requires the inclusion of race! Shameful but true!
I fear the pathetic display we are seeing with the GOP/clown parade as rubbed off on you, and now you are but a couple weeks away from screaming the birther idiocy and this president is soft on illegal immigrants because he's one.
What happened to you? Did you get hit by the idiot stick all of a sudden? I mean, no more than a month ago, though you had GOP leanings, you actually made sense. Now you are discounting facts, voicing mis-truths and lies with the rest of the GOP/Tea Potty clown brigade. You and C-Lo were about the only to GOPers that gave any one of us hope that eventually the party would come back to being rational....well, it appears that being sensible is a characteristic that will never be a part of the repos platform ever again..rush out and get those Faux Non-news comedy hour bumper stickers at a discount price before the rest of america throws them in the trash bin of history
Can you honestly tell me the Dems have not accused even those who intelligently disagree with this president's POLICY of racism? I will help you out Trace, they have and still do! Let me clue you, I have never joined in with the birthers, nor have I joined in with the Tea Party!
This country is in big trouble and i see a whole lot of nonsensical name calling and finger pointing for both sides! Lovely! We are in decay and thats OK as long as it is not the Dems fault? We go down as a COUNTRY! Not left or right but a NATION! When was the lat time you complained about the left? I already told you McConnell was wrong, I already told you Brewer's actions were wrong. What do you have against the left? That ball in now in your court!
Dont worry Trace the democrats will get their chance to hold their own clown parade
I would of reacted the same if a Man, no matter what level of office or level of management disrespected me the way it seems he did her, besides just because your boss that doesn't make you God or right.
The Racist disrespect of the Right is disgusting. Brewers not only felt she could scold the POTUS but she also disrespected the office of the presidency. This blatant attack on the president was not necessary and this Brewer should apologize immediately. The villains in this movie are clear- the GOP has displayed their hateful ignorance. She wanted to feel threatened by the President, who has behaved far more civilized, than the thugs in the GOP,and she was waving her finger! But she obviously is so racist she thinks people will buy this. Where are the sane people in the GOP!
Feel free to read what I wrote to George at 8:20. The hatred and ignorance is coming from BOTH sides!! Brewer was wrong! Not putting the proper emphasis on this issue means the president is also wrong! You think only Mexicans are coming in? How about Hamas and other folks whose intention is to bring down this nation? We don't really know who is coming in! The government is not even enforcing current law. That is negligent, at best! Bush did nothing either so this is NOT a D or R issue. This is an AMERICAN security issue!
There was clearly a conversation that happened so unless you were there and know what was said you can not call for her to apologize. As far as you know he could have initiated the tension in the conversation. To say otherwise is foolish.
yeah...right...the president initiated the conversation by clearly landing Air Force One in front of the Governor's Mansion and screaming for her to come outside so he could "initiate a terse conversation".....Get real. Obama has never been confrontational...he is the epitomy of cool and calm. Considering for the last three years he's been called a racist, socialist, muslim, sympathizer, communist, nazi, the white house shot at, endured more threats than any president in history, called an illegitimate president, called a liar in the middle of a SOTU address...I can't name all the times this president has been disrespected by members of congress...on a near daily basis...and he's gonna fly all the way to AZ just to get into it with Jan Brewer??? I would be shocked IF EVER the loopy members of the GOP / Clown brigade actually made sense. Honestly everyday, I'm seeing that should never a concern, because it will never happen...You people are in LA LA for all of perpetuity...must be in the water, or bad drugs or something, because you people make no sense whatsover
Trace and very very thin skinned, look at me wrong and I will call you a racist or a tea bragger or a rightie, but I could be wrong lets have a beer summit.
Lizzie, get a grip....Thin Skinned is the best you can come up with as a critic of me, based upon the insults lobbed at a President I voted for? ha ha ha....Well, I hope you are stocking on the tissues, because President Obama will be elected to a 2nd term. The percentage of ignoramouses in this country to vote against Obama, is far to small to turn this country back over to the GOP/Clown Brigade. Thank heavens most of the electorate can think and see facts. And when that's the case the GOP/Tea Clowns lose every time, because facts are foreign for those people
aaaannnddd Time! sorry Trace, your fifteen minutes are up. time to go back to work and stop littering the internet with your hate. thanks for playing, we have some lovely parting gifts for you.
Don't blame Brewer. She began the conversation properly and obama got contentious...so she spanked him. End of story. You will be seeing obama spanked a lot in the coming months...and why not? He has it coming. Question is: Is he man enough to take it? Probably not, he's not put together well enough for it.
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I saw a tape today of Governor Brewer speaking outside the White House in June, 2010 following the meeting in question with President Obama. Then, she said the meeting was cordial and productive. Later, when she wrote her book she said President Obama insulted her. Either she has a bad memory or she is lying. The second version may be better to sell books. By the way, since the photo of her shaking her finger in the face of President Obama in Arizona has appeared, her book sales have really taken off!
that must have been the only coversation they ever had, thank god someone got it on tape.
There is NO grace sticking your finger in the Presidents face. She is disgusting and her disrespect is her racist face showing.
you know, you cant keep falling back on the race card everytime something upsets you. i'm trying to understand how haveing an argument with someone is racist. guess simple minds latch on to simple excusses.
From what I've read, this isn't about immigration but that Brewer was peeved that she had to leave her cell phone outside of the oval office when she met the President last year. She then retaliated by writing a nasty recollection of the event in her book, Obama took her to task for that and the petty, little bruja just won't drop the spat.
The only problem I see in the tarmac incident is that she is using the wrong finger.
lol, awesome
The American people by a huge margin want all illegals gone. The problem in Arizona is a mess. But the Anointed one, as usual is dragging his feet. We will probably have to peal him off the wall when he is defeated in the next election.
So because Pres. Obama deported more people than any other president (translation=enforced our laws), latinos should have a problem with him?
well her book sales have gone up . Isnt that really what the repos want out of their political careers. To hell with the public lets just make as much money as we can then bale. Give it a rest with the treason crap. We don't buy that garbage anymore from a party that has no morals and can't keep from attacking each other. The do nothing congress needs to be voted out and replaced with people that want to move this country forward not backward. Again Obama the only adult in the room. Of course he moved away from her. Would you stand there while some one shook their finger in your face. Get real. Smart move why engage any further?
I dont believe that is exclusively a Repub. trait George. most all of the crap flying around this board applies to both sides
Well, cant fault Brewer too much...she is governor of a border state and the pres. comes to visit, a pres. who thinks the answer to the flood of illegal immigrants in her state is to make the illegals legal through another round of amnesty...what a foolish policy and so transparant as a hispanic vote chaser...amnesty failed miserably before and will fail again, the Dems are on the wrong side of this issue.
Brewer is everything that is wrong with the Republican Party. They practice the ugliest form of politics in history and wonder why no body descent wants to be associated with them. She would not have put her finger in Reagan's face or Bush I or II, this was a move to put the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES in his place (in her sick racist mind), and everybody knows it. The world will judge the GOP disrespectful behavior and their refusal to act as if they live in a DEMOCRATIC society. He was elected they need to work with him and respect the office, but they would rather destroy the image of democracy, and our economy, than follow a mixed race president, and this is what their hysteria is about. How ugly can you get GOP?!
Seemed to me she greeted him very graciously, with a big smile and welcomed him to her state, even after he mistreated her at their last meeting. It was only when obama turned their conversation from problems and issues of AZ to her book that she responded...and spanked him. She did respct the office of the President of The United States...as for respecting him well...he got what he deserved...he is a racist arrogent fool. I think you are a little mixed up there.
She lied about that in her book. They had her on CNN video saying it was a wonderful meeting. And what right would SHE have to spank the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES?1 You crazy racist repubolicans need to get over yourselves. PRESIDENT OBAMA is going to spank that ARROGANT Sociopanth Gingrich or that wishy washy Romney in November.
You people are so low you can't stand the idea of a non-white president, and thats why you have turned your backs on Democracy and civility. Maybe no Democrats should ever work with another Republican President. Democracy would be dead in America if we were as petty and stupid as Republicans. Shame on you and your low life followers, GOP!
I know if she were black she would not have been applauded for being aggressive and disrespectful espeically if the president were white. Especially since this same woman born and then reared a son who displayed the same types of aggressive behaviors shown by kidnapping and raping a woman. I'm sure you wouldn't defend this woman had you known that. It's ashamed that we are now teaching our children that this is ok. Jan Brewer is insane she tried to hid the records of her son's past and is concerned about immigration. I'd be happier with a book from her on how to protect ourselves within our borders for psychopathic agressive morons. I'm sure she has much more experience here..as obivous with her behavior!
Thats just a bad as saying California is bad for this country
People that have limited education frequently resort to violence and threats to get their point across. Jan Brewer is right, she felt threatened. Shes a graduate of Glendale Community College and President Obama received his law degree from Havard. She felt the only way she could debate him was to result to physical violence. Maybe she does that to her husband at home too. They say, "you can put lipstick on a pig...", well, you know the rest.
I for one would have like to hear the topic under discussion at the time before i pass my arm chair quarterback judgement. but hey feel free to jump to conclusions, it is after all still a moderately free country.
For all we know she may have been upset over the Feds probe of her involvement with her son's Social Security.
USA Today story for 12/8/2011. Picked up from The Arizona Republic
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2011-12-08/jan-brewer-son-social-security/51731678/1
Well, that sounds plausible. It did seem personal, especially when the good govenor reports that her meeting went well with Obama on the immigration issue. If Brewer wasn't lying in her book, then a Fed investigation of her son might be just thing to tick off this irrepresible hatred and disrespect for the President of the United States. I have to point this out, AGAIN, the disrespect for this President is un-precedented. Does anyone remember any american disrespecting Bush anywhere close to this???? Buehler, Buehler, anyone, anyone? Of course there are some idiots blogging here who would only respond "...well, President (insert insult name calling here)...is a socialist, muslim, divider...whatever. The name I remember most frequently when referring to President Bush was..."He is an idiot" ...but that can't be surprising to anyone....because I hear conservatives call him that everyday. Admitedly, I called him incompotent...I say potato you say pototo
.... of course, this statement is qualified by the word "american". .... because shoes being thrown at Dubya (the quintessential war president) during a press conference in Iraq typifies a new standard of embarassment for this country. As I recall, that person was released from custody on the merits of being provoked by his family being killed in the misadventure called Iraq...which, by the way, we are all paying for to the tune of trillions of dollars. This represents the Thanks of a grateful Iraqi nation ...yeah right (sarcasm)
This excuse for a woman should be boored out of here office for being so disrespectful to the President. I suppose she thinks this makes her look good in the eyes of the republicans which are all a bunch of jerks.