December 6th, 2012
03:58 PM ET
Obama visits 'middle class' family in latest fiscal cliff gambit (CNN) – In one of the White House’s more elaborate photo-ops surrounding the ongoing fiscal cliff standoff, President Obama Thursday ventured nine miles west of Washington, D.C., to sit down with what his aides described as a “middle class family” in Falls Church, Virginia. “For them to be burdened unnecessarily because Democrats and Republicans aren’t coming together to solve this problem gives you a sense of the costs involved in very personal terms,” the president told reporters flanked by members of the Santana family in their living room. “Obviously it would also have impact on the economy because if this family has $2,000 less to spend that translates to $200 billion less in consumer spending next year,” Obama added. The White House said Tiffany Santana, a high school English teacher, was among those who engaged in the #My2K social media campaign – the effort launched by the White House last week to encourage Americans to write in with stories on how an increase in taxes would affect their lives. According to the White House, Santana explained her family household includes her husband, 6-year old son, and her parents. Because her parents are also middle-income wage earners, the entire household would see their tax bill go up by $4,000 if the Congress does not act, Santana said. “The message that I got from Tiffany and the message that I think we all want to send to members of Congress is this is a solvable problem,” Obama also said. Ahead of the visit, the White House also released a slickly-produced video of the family – reminiscent of a campaign commercial - in which they detailed their monthly expenses and explained why they supported the president’s position. Meanwhile, an Obama/Biden yard sign was spotted still gracing their lawn. The living room sit-down constituted the president’s latest effort to take his case on the fiscal cliff debate to the American people directly. Earlier this week he spoke to workers at a toy-manufacturing plant outside Philadelphia. He’s set to make a similar speech in Detroit next week. |
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Still campaigning. I guess we can assume that he'll continue campaigning throughout his 2nd term and into his 3rd term, once he declares by Executive Order that term limits are not fair.
Biggest joke the devil ever played on humanity was convincing half of America that this man tells the truth and will better our lives.
THE BIGGEST JOKE IS REALLY THE REPUBLICANS THINKING THEY ARE STILL A POLITICAL PARTY AND NOT A FREAK SHOW.
The biggest idiot are the Democrats,
I FEEL BAD FOR THE NY JETS WHEN THEY ARE COMPARED TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY BY HARRY REID. HARRY, THAT'S HARSH MAN. AT LEAST THE JETS ARE STILL WINNING SOME GAMES.
Listen to you. Your country is going down the toilet and you act like spoiled little schoolboys. The Chinese don't have a fiscal cliff, bubba. The Russians don't have a fiscal cliff, you idiots. It is a device of your own making. The world is looking at you losers and saying, "This is the leader of the free world? What a bunch of kooks!"
You elected a president. Get over it. Move on, stupid. Deal with the problems you really DO have instead of making up boogey men to fill your closet so you can hide under the covers. Wake up, children.
iltary absentee ballots not counted!
Free cellphones any one, get as many as you like. Paid by the tax payers.
Man dies under Obama Operation Fast & Furious Obama hide records
Obama seals all his records. Funny wants he hiding?
0bamaCare (Largest TAX INCREASE and Unfunded Entitlement in history)
Takes $716 BILLION from Medicare
Obama attack on Libya without authozation from the house and senate!
$5 TRILLION in DEBT. (More than all Presidents' first term COMBINED)
$800 BILLION for 'shovel-ready' Stimulus jobs that produced NO JOBS
Printing another $2.1 TRILLION causing devaluation of OUR savings' dollars
1200 0bamaCare waivers to Democrat donors
8.1% Unemployment (14.7% U-6 Real Unemployment)
88,921,000 Americans OUT of the Labor Force
Leaking Classified intelligence to bolster false 'warrior' appearance
Failures of Solyndra, NextEra, Light Squared, Fisker, and others with OUR TAXES
Failure to enforce Federal immigration laws
Failure to approve Trans-Canada Keystone Pipeline
Failure to accept reforms from Simpson-Bowels (his own commission)
Failure to stop Iran’s Nuclear enrichment
America's first Credit Downgrade
Typical American family's net worth plunges 39% since 2008
Food Stamp usage up 100% since 2008
Welfare UP 41% since inaugural while WAIVING Work Requirement
Out-of-control NLRB giving unions more power so their donations grow
Out-of-control GSA wasting millions of OUR TAXES
Suing AZ, Al, SC, Boeing and Apple while ignoring the New Blk Panthers
Attorney General HOLDER under Contempt of Congress and multi investigations
DOE Sec. CHU under Contempt of Court and over 100 investigations
HHS Sec. SEBILIUS caught with $20M offshore slush fund and lawsuits with investigations
DHS Sec. NAPONITNO Sued by her own agents over her orders
N0 Energy Policy...Oil, Natural Gas & Coal production anemic
N0 Foreign Policy other than alienate and isolate our Allies (Israel)
ACORN/Union cronyism paybacks with OUR Taxes
Supporting Gay Marriage?
Endorsment from Hugo chavez and snobbing Isreal
Friend with the Muslim Brotherhood
Obama bows to Muslim Leader, NO WORLD LEADER BOWS TO ANOTHER LEADER OF AN OTHER COUNTRY
Obama insults Queen of England
Cigna Insurance 1200 people.
15000 jobs lost at bank of America
1100 jobs lost American wind Magfacturer
1600 Jobs lost at GM
1200 ING laying off the day after Obama election
Hostess closing 18500. good job unions. Nov 12, 2012.
Energizer laying off 1,500 people.
Murray Energy said Friday that it had been "forced" to make the layoffs in response to the bleak prospects for the coal industry during Obama's second term article November 9, 2012
Smithfield Foods to begin layoffs at Va. plant
Texas instruments to layoff 1700 people November 14, 2012
300 people laid off at St. Judes ( charity-free cancer care for children)
Xerox will lay off 2500 employees
Boeing announces big layoff Wednesday, 7 Nov 2012
Pepsi laying off 4000 people
Welch Allyn — a manufacturer of medical diagnostic equipment in central New York — which says it will Cut 275 employees, about 10 percent of its workforce, over the next three years.
Dana Holding Corp. — a global auto parts manufacturing company — which warned of layoffs due "$24 million over the next six years in additional U.S. healthcare expenses.’’
Stryker — a medical device manufacturer — which plans to close its facility in Orchard Park, N.Y., eliminating 96 jobs in December.
Boston Scientific — a medical device manufacturer — said it plans to cut between 1,200 and 1,400 jobs, while shifting investments and workers overseas to China.
Medtronic — a medical device maker — which cut 500 positions over the summer, with 500 more set to be eliminated by the end of 2013
A short list of other companies facing future layoffs at the hands of Obamacare:
Smith & Nephew – 770 layoffs
Abbott Labs – 700 layoffs
Covidien – 595 layoffs
Trimas to lay 450 people and close factory.
Kinetic Concepts – 427 layoffs
Hill Rom – 200 layoffs
Meriter layoff 75
making hard for the Vet to vote over seas.
Don’t forget his famous speech "You did not build that".
Obama wants to cut Military health benefits back by 12.9 Billion.
Benghazi murders
Obamacare 's death panel
Promised 100% transparency in my administration.”
“I promise NO NEW TAXES on a family making less than $250K a year.”.
“I will allow 5 days of public comment before I sign any bills.”
“I will remove earmarks from PORK projects before I sign any bill.”.
“I will end Income Tax for seniors making less than $50K a year.”
"I will bring ALL of our troop’s home within ONE year."
“I’ll put the Health Care negotiations on CSPAN so everyone can see who is at the table!”
“I’ll have no lobbyists in my administration."
"I'll close Guantanamo."
"I'll resign if I don't cut the deficit in half by the end of four years."
"I'll unite the people of this great country."
"The attack in Libya was not terrorism, just a response to a movie
It’s Bush’s fault…no President has ever blamed a passed President
17 vacations in three years-$10,000,000. Plus
United Nations guarding the voting polls
In reward for there service obama is firing 20,000 Marine.
Citibank laying off 11,000.. December 5, 2012
Morgan Stanley cutting 4,000 jobs.
The biggest idiot is Republicans. The Party is NO is going no where. Ha Ha Ha
The biggest joke is that Romney is a Mexican or that he believes that 50% of this country doesn't work! That's why you republicans lost...
Check out the photo ... Obama's foreign visitors, Anna Wintour, One Percenter's who support Obama, and the Hollywood crowd, all rate $400 bottles of wine, and gourmet dinners when they get together ... the American middle class gets a bottle of water.
The real joke is people who buy into the b.s. ive seen your post, you have typed some intelligent statements,, you of all people should be aware of whats really happening. Calling names to make yourself feel superior is too childish for someone of your smarts. Hope im wrong but i believe things are going to get a whole lot worse in a hurry. Before brow beating everyone please tell me what this guy has really accomplished to help the U.S.A??? I dont see any postive results from his first term
You really have to stop letting the devil come in your mouth. It dissolved your brain.
President Obama is speaking to the average American worker and their families, because the "do nothing" Congress is not listening to anyone but the very, very wealthy. The Republicans have done nothing substantial to support the middle-lower classes for over 70 years. Talking to them is useless, so the president, wisely, takes it directly to the people. The Democrats have outproduced the Republicans in growth and jobs, spent less and had less debt, for more than half a century. The "joke", being played on humanity, is that the Republicans do anything for the average American and , in spite of documentable historical evidence to the contrary, are able to get ignorant people to go along with them.
Obama wants the most successful members of society to pay more in taxes, while allow half of our nation to pay nothing and receive more. That is an insane concept. Let's get real tax reform by eliminating loopholes for the wealthy and capping refunds at what an individual has paid in during the year. Unfortunately, tax day has become another unfunded entitlement with many paying an effective tax rate of -100 to -1000%. It is time to sink or swim, stop floating on the talents of others. Entitlement programs exist to help those who can't help themselves. Unfortunately, they have become a permanent source of income for many who don't want to help themselves!
No the biggest joke was letting SCOTUS pick a president.
Actually, the biggest jokes are DC Johnny and jean2009
You sure Jean? I thought the biggest joke was a 31 day marathon with people squinting their eyes to determine if chad was pregnant or just hanging!
Yep Steveo! Florida = GOP run state that is unable to conduct an election.
Honestly jean, I can't argue with you there! Still the 31 days of magnifying glasses and crossed eyes! Mind numbing!
Jean, the 2000 election in Florida had 1 count and 2 recounts. You also forget that the state was announced by the media even before the polls closed. The panhandle is in a different time zone. People standing in line started to go home after hearing the news. The panhandle is also a more conservative region. Yet, no one mentions that their votes didn't count. As many of the Democrats would say. You lost, get over it. Works both ways.
Great job Mr Pres. Government is for the people and not for rich lobbist.
Sorry Lionel..govt is for the people? No the Federal Govt is devouring the People and taking as much property and right from them as possible.
Jean ... all your non-stop cheer leading for your Dear Leader ... and Furher, Barack Obama ... will soon be cancelled out, by reality, as Americans experience the pain of Obama's inflation ... higher taxes ... and continued corruption ... then, the readers of these blogs will remember you, and your fellow condescending and rude obama defenders, with scorn and disdain. Enjoy your false sense of superiority while you can.
Yeah, I remember when the nuts on the left were saying that about Bush, now the nuts on the right are saying it about Obama. That rightwing fear machine is starting to take it's toll i guess.
Look DC, there is no evidence this is even a concern, and in fact – most of the things you likely fear about Obama are unfounded as well (just like they were for Bush). Go outside, take a breath and try to find some objective information.
Let me put it to you this way DC; even if Obama DID try to have a 3rd term, it wouldn't happen. The libs as well as the righties would be at the whitehouse gates with torches. You would see the most united populace this country has had in a long time. You have nothing to worry about, and your fears are unfounded, irrational and make you look crazy. At least think these things through.
You are right and I would be at the gates protesting anybody's 'third term' as President.
According to you Pres Obama meeting and talking to ordinary people is campaining and bad , other people might call it motivating his supporters to put pressure on repubs ,or do you think Pres Obama should only be in the WH and talking to policians and business people .
The biggest joke is Republicans in Congress playing political chicken.
They lost the election, let's move on and leave the tax cuts for the middle class and go back to the tax rates under Clinton for the rich.
When WILL the campaign end? Obama is the KING of Facebook and Twitter (Click LIKE if YOU fawn over Barak Obama). He's very weak on making his own decisions and constantly wants committees to 'suggest' solutions for him. He of course then ignores those ideas (Simpson /Bowles etc) as they are just a Dog & Pony show for his choir and does what is best for HIS political career.
Check out the photo ... Obama's foreign visitors, Anna Wintour, and the Hollywood crowd all rate $400 bottles of wine, and gourmet dinners when they get together ... the American middle class gets a bottle of water.
How's that Canadian visa coming?
Howard you leaving us? Say it aint so. Anyway, don't let the door knob and all that...LOL
Jean ... and, Just a Thought ... all your non-stop cheer leading for your Dear Leader ... and Furher, Barack Obama ... will soon be cancelled out, by reality, as Americans experience the pain of Obama's inflation ... higher taxes ... and continued corruption ... then, the readers of these blogs will remember you, and your fellow condescending and rude obama defenders, with scorn and disdain. Enjoy your false sense of superiority while you can.
Key word was right in the start of the Article...Photo Op...like most of our elected officials they don't care about doing what is right and addressing the problem, all they care about is how can I present myself in the best light so all think I am great and allow me more power and influence than I deserve. Until we as citizen stop accepting this as what we went, we are doomed to fail a slow and painful death.
@ Tommy,
We are doomed as long as we continue to allow our politics to be about hostage taking. The president is advocating a 100% tax cut for the 1st $250K that ALL AMERICANS make. I need that tax cut because only the amount over $250K per year do I have to pay extra. I don't make that much to worry about it.
So photo op or No, I don't really care. I just want the Re-Dumblicans to do the right thing
PeterD to "Middle Class" Tax Payers: Obama is fooling you over & over and screwing up Every One of you America.
Ha Ha ! The president is doing a great job and is talking to the people. The Repubtards lost, get over it.
Retards still whining.
hey Liionel I am middle class and I'd like the POTUS to come take it to me. I'd like to hear how he things I am evil because I started with nothing, worked hard and saved and I am ready to retire comfortably and now I may be the next level of evil rich that he thinks is not paying my fair share and he feels a right to take my hard earned money and give to other as opposed to allowing me to decide how to spend what I earned thru my own hard efforts.
SO YOU ARE MAKING OVER $250,000 AND YOU ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT PAYING A LITTLE MORE IN TAXES? ARE WE SUPPOSED TO WEEP FOR YOU?
I MAKE FAR LESS THAN THAT AND I ALREADY PAY A HIGHER RATE IN TAXES THAN MANY RICH WHINERS LIKE YOU.
Lionel – Being he said he is in the middle class, I imagine TommytheT worked hard, lived within his means or below in order to have enough money to retire without having to accept help along the way. I think this country would do much better if the government started being more responsible with taxpayers money, therefore, there would be no need to keep taxing everyone to death. And if you are paying more taxes than "rich people", you should see an accountant to see what you're doing wrong on your tax returns.
@annie then TommytheT has nothing to worry about, because Obama has always said if you MAKE > $250k he will tax you more, not if you HAVE $250k. If you are making > $250k / year you are not the "save every penny live within your means" type of person that you are talking about; you are rich. The exception is if you make all your money from dividends and the stock market - then he will tax you more. If that's what you do then technically you do not contribute anything to the economy other than money and moving money around, and if taxes have to go up those are exactly the type of people to tax, not the person who puts in physical work. The economy grows when people put in actual work, not when they sit in front of a computer watching their stocks go up.
the president is the leader for all Americans-not just democrats. it's not a basketball game where we laud who wins and shut down the other team. it's legislature that affects everyone-these policies will hurt many of us. we have a right to dissent.
@Peter, so all of a sudden the Redumblicans are FOR THE MIDDLE CLASS? When did that start? Please advise when that shift in the political ideology occurred.
Have you been stuffing your ears with toilet paper since the election? Because Jindal, Crystal, senators and GOP congress critters are all saying the Redumblicans need to change the perception the party is only for the rich. So you are saying they GOP/Redumblicans are for the middle class? LOL You better tell the rank and file. They think that's why they lost the election .....Brilliant
Middle income is around 50k, right? So this is a household with $200k who is whining about paying more taxes, but they voted for Obama? I don't understand that at all.
the biggest joke is the democrats won and the repos can't get over it. The president is doing his job and congress is taking a 3 day break.
While I agree with you the 3 day break is ridiculous especially now, if you recall the GOP won elections too! Especially in the House! Now the word is the president wants unlimited authority to raise the debt limit without going through the Congress. IF this is true, is it unconstitutional and unhelpful to whatever negotiations that may be going on!
While I agree with you the 3 day break is ridiculous especially now, if you recall the GOP won elections too! Especially in the House! Now the word is the president wants unlimited authority to raise the debt limit without going through the Congress. IF this is true, is it unconst-itutional and unhelpful to whatever negotiations that may be going on!
yeah but they lost more seat then then they gain dems pick up was quite clear.
I will give you one better...watch and see if this comes true. Can I suggest that Mr Obama will soon instruct his justice department to issue an opinion on whether he needs congress's approval to raise the debt limit. They we say no he does not, so as he has stated many times, he will not play the game and will not wait to act and will raise the limit. He will be challenged in court but the process will be slow, (like F&F) and by the time it gets to the SC, it will be years, he will have spent what he wanted and he will look toward a favorable court to let him go.
TommyT – It is NOT in the Constitution that Congress shall decide the Debt Ceiling. So, pretty much, the law could very well support the President in this regard.
It is my understanding that the law may well support Obama's position on the Debt Ceiling as the Constitution does not specify that Congress has the power to determine it.
TommyT – I believe our Constitution does NOT require that the Congress be the entity that determines the Debt Ceiling. Pres. Obama just may have the law on his side.
@TommytheT,
I certainly hope not! If that happens I would hope the SC takes up that challenge right away! In addition, the Congress should call in the AG and impeach immediately, should any such opinion is issued!.
This president is playing the 47% like a fiddle. They will follow him into the sea, over the edge of the cliff, into oblivion – wherever he wants to take them. I wonder how much this three wage earning family (living in what appears to be a decent house) pays in federal taxes? I'm guessing zero. What a ridiculous and self serving photo-op and story.
Common sense? I don't think so. The words you just used describe Bush. Our country had a budget surplus thanks to Clinton – the other great, great president we have had in our time. Bush, Cheney and Rove lied and screwed the american people. That's what got us into this mess. They should all have been charged with treason. And you need to get an education – it's obvious that you haven't had one.
Honey we already went over the cliff of oblivion back in 2007-2008.
What a total idiot. He is playing with fire. He's so bent out of shape on raising taxes, Tell you what now is NOT the time. But he will not budge and he is willing to plunge the USA into another recession becuase of his arrogance. Obama is a total LOSER
Actually Boehner has asked for a sit-down because he knows he is not going to win this hand.
Isn't it nice to know that the political leaders if both parties are "playing their hand" as if it was one big poker game, and neither one really cares about the country or the people outside the beltway? And yet everyone here cheers for the red or blue team as if it was just a sporting event.
Fact is politicians have been playing high-stakes poker from the inception of this country....nothing new here!
THE ONLY LOSERS HERE ARE THE REPUBLICANS WHO GOT CAUGHT IN THEIR OWN TRAP, NOW TRYING TO STICK IT TO OBAMA OUT OF 'PRINCIPLE.'
IN THE WORDS OF ANN COULTER, 'WHAT PRINCIPLE? THE ONE WHERE EVERYONE'S TAXES GO UP INSTEAD?"
SHE MAY BE CRAZY BUT SHE IS NOT STUPID.
The losers are the American people because they will have to pay more in taxes. Both the Dems and Repubs are irresponsible. They make enough money so the tax increases will not hurt their budgets. If they would stop all these "pork" projects I would not mind paying more in taxes. I have worked for 45 years in the private sector and I am on a fixed income.
Yo Decemeber ,
I realize the focus here is on federal taxes but the reality is state and local taxes stil have to be paid and are going up too. I just received my tax bill for my home and the tax assessment rate is $20K higher than assessed value. Like I said , I underdstand the focus is federal taxes but the same wallets and purses that opens for the feds are the same wallets and purses that opens at the state and local level. You live in Jersey and I know you know exactly what I am talking about. Gas taxes, sales taxes, vehicle taxes. It all adds up. Just tossing out something else to discuss.
TO BOTH YOU AND LINDA, YOU DO REALIZE THOSE PROJECTS ARE MOSTLY FOR THEIR OWN LOCALITIES? TAKE ANY REPUBLICAN YOU HAVE IN CONGRESS AND YOU WILL SEE THAT FOR ALL THEIR CRIES FOR LESSER FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THEY TAKE MONEY FROM IT TO FEED THEIR STATES. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT AS LONG AS IT IS NOT IN EXCESS OF WHAT IS NEEDED. THERE IS NO NEED TO CUT SPENDING, THERE IS A NEED TO SPEND WISELY AND EFFICIENTLY.
Why do you make it sound like Dems don't do the same? Federal taxes come from people who live in states that have Dem and GOP leadership. Getting some of that back for local projects IS expected! You think there is no need to cut spending? I beg to differ with you! There has to be balance and cutting spending is apart of that balance! Savings from cuts can go and paid down the debt. If we take in $2T a year, we cannot keep spending $3T!
WHEN DID I SAY THAT? OF COURSE THEY ALL DO IT. IT IS PART OF REPRESENTING YOUR STATE!
IF YOU WHAT TO CUT SPENDING JUST NAME WHAT YOU WANT TO CUT. WHY ARE REPUBLICANS SO SCARED OF TELLING PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT TO CUT WHEN THEY OBVIOUSLY WANT TO CUT ENTITLEMENTS? WHY DO YOU WANT THE PRESIDENT TO DO THE DIRTY WORK FOR YOU? IF YOU WANT TO CUT MEDICARE THEN JUST SAY SO. I'M SURE THE PEOPLE WHO VOTE MOSTLY REPUBLICAN WILL BE THRILLED WITH THAT IDEA.
Think about it this way...the Iraq and Afghan wars are projected to cost us $4.4 Trillion, that does not include the cost of Libya, or the World Wide cost for the War on Terror estimated at few trillion, or the future cost for caring for those wounded by those wars, then add the $1 Trillion annual defense budget for hardware, staff, personnel, etc. Then look at the Federal Deficit, and it is no mystery as to why it stands at $16 Trillion.
I ask you what other civilized country spends that much on war, and then whines about spending $64 billion to educate its citizens, and whines about the cost for keeping its citizens healthy, and for the least fortunate not too well feed?
i would say the biggest cuts should start with that bloated military budget, and by first not spending money on things like tanks the military doesn't even want. Regardless of whose district the factory for those tanks is located near.
WHY DO YOU WANT THE PRESIDENT TO DO THE DIRTY WORK FOR YOU?
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You really call that "dirty work"? I call it making a tough decision! Others would call it leadership!
@Jean, no doubt there is some room to cut military spending, within reason , just like in every other area of government spending!
GREAT JOB MR. PRESIDENT!!!! TAKE IT TO THE PEOPLE.....Also@Kev.....loser?...NOVEMBER 6, 2012....DONE!!!
I see you are not the brighest bulb in the box, if you agree with what the President is doing, Minnesota no wonder, nothing but frozen wasteland and frozen brain. kathy/Minnesota = LOSER
Scott has a frozen brain. Go back to the 1950's and take McCain, Romney, Ryan, Palin and Ginrich
What self serving photo-op and story. I'm guessing this family pays zero federal income tax and stands squarely behind Obama in calling for increased taxes on the "wealthy". Hmm, those on the public dole who are paying no federal taxes voted Obama back into office and now want to benefit from his "gifts" and help him realize his redistribution of wealth dream. I am shocked....
This president is playing the 47% like a fiddle. They will follow him into the sea, over the edge of the cliff, into oblivion – wherever he wants to take them. I wonder how much this three wage earning family (living in what appears to be a decent house) pays in federal taxes? I'm guessing zero. What a ridiculous and self serving photo-op and story.
Gobama! taxes MUST go up on the wealthy NOT on the middle class!
There is a middle class family left in America?
Maybe we should say the middle-class is an endangered species – fewer left everyday that another Corporation hordes it's money at the top and gives the finger to those that actually make the stuff.
BUT, those so-called Financial Wizards of Finance are proudest of their typing skills and dazzle themselves daily on their abilitiy to be the first to screw the next guy with their trusty computer skillz. Flying high with nary a sprained pinky.
We gave him the mandate, now he's executing!
What a photo op. he is campaigning whether or not there is election
HE IS TAKING IT TO THE PEOPLE BECAUSE HE DOESN'T HAVE MUCH CHOICE. APPARENTLY HE IS DEALING WITH CHILDREN IN CONGRESS. THE REPUBLICAN INEPTITUDE HAS TAKEN A NEW LOW WHEN MITCH MCCONNELL FILIBUSTERED HIS OWN BILL. IT SEEMS HE WOULD DO JUST ABOUT ANYTHING... EXCEPT HIS JOB.
Actually, he is talking to people who are affected by Congress's tactics.
The Republican party is toast, CLINTON 2016
SO, how EXACTLY is him 'talking' with these folks going to help THEM? THis DOG & PONY show is all about HIM.
BO could spend EVERY DAY talking with folks who have been hurt by HIS bad economy . Why doesn't he just do HIS job and get his a back to WASHINGTON and negotiate with Congress? THese folks can't pass any legislation, they are what they are to him – PROPS in a PHOTO OP. THey will STILL be suffering after he leaves, all they will have IS a PHOTO.
How can you disagree that this is a photo op? He is just getting some more campaigning out of the way before his three week Hawaiian vacation on your dime. How does that make you feel and how many millions of dollars will it cost? Never mind, I suppose you will reply that he deserves it for working so hard. He has not worked a day in his life.
That's what they said in 2008.
No, Lionel. He's talking to a union member (teacher) and a non-traditional household, which doesn't represent many of us. But it's not about democrat or republican. It's about all of us citizens over which the President is charged with leading and the good 2/3 of them he's completely ignoring. THAT is the point.
So funny. I no longer have any employees. I used to have 14, but now operate only through contracted work. It's working much better, not for my friends who used to work for me, but unless we become a communist country, business will have to do what's best for business......or go out of business.
No problem though. Obama is all smiles.
Photo opps!?!? FY Mr.President....start leading. Sitting down with a Va. family making it look like you are doing something !?! You arrogant twit!.... along with Harry 'The weasel" Reid. You are a fake just like this photo opp. Four more years of this??? Arrogant Twit!
Repo Loonies are at it again. Crybabies WAYWAYWAY...
Lionel....Learn how to spell....Wah Wah Wah!
Hey Lionel, why is he a "loonie"? Because he speaks the truth but you don't want to believe it? Than instead just throwing out immature personal attacks why not respond with some facts or well thought out opinions on why you disagree with his statement?
Hello Crybaby ....Named yourself right there didn't you?
I love the fact that he's trying to bring more American people into the fold of politics. 1/2 of the mouth breathers couldn't even tell you what a filibuster is/was until recently and more importantly how it was being abused. You should actually be thanking Obama for getting more people in the discussion so people can see the flaws on both sides of the line here. Quite franky we need to go over the cliff maybe it will wake up some citizens and elected officials living a champagne lifestyle on a beer budget.
IIt's not complicated, Obama campaign on this issues for over a year we heard it over and over again. The man won, the majorities of people favor the increase tax. why don't the republican acknowledge that. I know you don't like it and you feel it will hurt jobs even if that true it only on the last two percent. we get more than we loose. Just say I the republican party will listen to the voters. What Obama is saying before we begin to cut into the different program, lets make sure the well to do has put their two cent first.
What a sham, instead of being in Washington trying to fix things, he runs around pretending to care about the middle class to get his sick twisted policies passed. The little bit raised by increasing tax on the Rich is going to do next to nothing, its symbolic. Even the GAO and leading economists say the little bit taken is is not going to do anything. Meanwhile he wants to rasie our debt ceiling again. how high are we going to go in debt before this country collaspes. He has no plans to cut anything, tax and spensd tax and spend, what an idiot our so-call President is.
Government is for the people and not for old white guys with millionaire lobbist.
Lobbyists
CryBabies – being a good speller doesn't make you smart.
Lobbying is the act of attempting to influence decisions made by officials in the government. from wiki
Lionel it does no good for the Lobbyist to attempt influence on a party with a losing hand. They need to work with the party that can get legislation through. That would be the Democrats right now. Both parties are guilty of this.
The citizens of this country have a right to lobby our government BUT this practice has been abused by grifters who grease the hands and re-election campaigns of politicans for favored treatment, which makes this neccessary access to government by ordinary Americans a sham.
It is still a problem form both sides.
yes how sad, and how sad many appear to be the fools the leaders in Washington DC are counting on...thinking we will fall for this type of Photo Ops as showing our Leaders working hard to fix things. Yet not one seems to have the leadership and courage to stand up and say what we all know...the Federal Govt has gotten way to big and we need to take action now to resize it.
THE NEXT TIME THE BIG BANKS FOLD AND TAKE DOWN YOUR RETIREMENT MONEY, DON'T LOOK TO THE GOVERNMENT FOR ANY HELP.
The government's military has gotten to big, and it is cannibalizing everything else...including common sense.
This is simply a photo op for image building purposes, Obama doesn't care about the people in the photo, in the end they'll get no help from Obama.
Obama Cares, Obama Cares, Obama Cares.
Do you get it now, he won the election.
All he cares about is himself. You worshippers are just his pawns.
And I bet Robme would of been way more caring i guess this guy forgot at one time the President was a Community organizer, those kinds of people tend to care.
Check out the photo ... the one percenters who meet with Obama get $400 dollars of wine, and lavish meals ... the middle class get a bottle of water ... and, get used for photo ops.
Hi, Howard. Just wonderin' how you and Latina diana share a brain when there is so little to go around in the first place. Aw,.....that was mean. I'll send you a box of tamales and it'll all be good. BUT you have to share.
Obama visits 'middle class' family in latest fiscal cliff gambit...
So america is a nation of classes... Now ???
NOT one nation in freedom???
Another campaign trip paid for by working taxpayers who still have a job !!! Fantastic !!!
It is not the Republic of Texas, texas is part of the United States and is not 60% non white.
Let me tell you Mr. President, I have paid $50,000 in federal income tax so far this year, just when is it enough to support your greed? I am in the middle class but single so I have to support these ludicrous policies that are in place. End all tax deductions for children, having children is a choice why should my tax dollars help pay for other to have children, and end the EIC. Everyone needs to pay tax, I am tired of seeing people who pay nothing in tax and then get money from the government under these faked credits that have been created.
How much in tax deductions , rebates (such as mortgage deductions, charitable donations , state and local taxes etc ) will you claim????? to reduce your federal tax bill.
Why do I not feel your pain, or understand your greed! Have you ever considered marriage and children as a way of lowering your tax liability? If you can't beat them join them.
A word of wisdom.....If you have paid $50,000 in federal taxes this year, you are no longer in the middle class...you are firmly in the 2%. Whining about one's good fortune is not allowed.
Wealthy Obama knows whats best for the poor and middle class. All you poor people just listen to rich Obama and he will tell you how to live and think.
Why have you got a problem with Pres Obama being rich and running the country . Sounds like you wanted Romney to win the election , and he was at least 20 times richer than Obama, and Romney would have telling people whats best for them acccording to his agenda if he had won .
Anybody notice that the people in whose home he invaded for this stunt were merely props and he spoke only to the camera and probably teleprompter. What a phony.
He's counting on gullibility of voters. Obama figures if he shows up in the picture and claims he'll help the folks then you'll believe he's "out for the middle class" and "has our backs". He thinks you'll believe he "cares".
Repo Loonies are at it again. It is people like you who made the Repubtards lost.
Get over it, seek help. Your guy lost.
The garbage isn't sticking anymore a lot of your kind have gone into hiding, do you plan to follow.
Do they even live there?
Obama – stop campaigning already and put some face time in DC! It's time to LEAD, not run for office. Meanwhile, manufacturing companies can't find employees to fill shifts because they'd rather collect unemployment checks (see CNBC story this morning).
Fema teams told to sight see as sandy victims suffered
“The regional coordinator even said to us, ‘I don’t know why you were rushed here because we don’t need you,'” said the worker, who spoke out of frustration with the lack of planning and coordination following the devastating storm.
'I worked in Katrina and Katrina was run better than Sandy.'
– Anonymous FEMA first responder
After arriving in New Jersey, the worker and others waited for three full days and parts of another, even as reports dominated the television of the devastation and suffering wrought by the storm, which struck land on Oct. 29. When they asked for assignments, they couldn't believe the response, according to the worker.
“They told us to go to the Walmart nearby or to check out the area but told us to stay out of the areas affected by the storm,” the worker said. "If our boss back at headquarters had not been alerted and didn’t make a push to get us assignments, the people running the show on the ground level would have just kept us sitting in the barracks.”
Once again, the President abrogates his duties as chief executive to hit the campaign trail.
Thomas Jefferson said the power to tax is the power to destroy.
Our president, who should be concerned about this country's future, is meeting with "his class of people".
I guess the rest if the country can go in the dumper.
Having the Pres over to talk is really nice for that family, however, he is going to throw you under the bus. He can't help it, thats just who he is the "liar in chief"
Why would they let a colored in their home?!
Everybody now lets just stop blaming whos the cause of what. Obama won thats it, NOW we have to get our jobs and economy straightened out. In all honesty it even shows in the usa today for today that there is MORE jobs going overseas than before. We are losing control of our jobs and money ppl, who here can see that? In my perspective i have just lost my raise and my christmas bonus total to be 1,200.00 for one year. I make 30k a year because i work 70 hrs a week and have one day off and thats my sundays. Its because of the raising taxes on ppl who make more than 250k and that hurts my job because we are taxed enough as it is. And now the mandatory insurance is awful i can't afford insurance i rather take the penalty. But we need to seriously sit down and talk about this. In all honesty i do believe we need to reform everything taxes, health, issurance, i even think we need to raise the income level that qualifies for poverty now in days 1,200.00 is the most for you to qualify for food stamps and etc.
“Obviously it would also have impact on the economy because if this family has $2,000 less to spend that translates to $200 billion less in consumer spending next year,” Obama added.
My health insurance has gone up over $2,000 a year since ObamaCare passed. Does that translate to less consumer spending?
What a crock. Listen, Obamacare doesn't kick in until 2014. The Republicans made sure of that. So, if your premiums went up on your insurance it's because the insurance company is on the take, squeezing you and others for as long as they have and continue to do until then – TAKE IT UP WITH YOUR POLICY HOLDER.
The only things in effect right now that you may be grateful for – Insurance companies cannot deny you coverage for pre-existing conditions – have to cover your children through age 26 – cannot set ceilings on your treatments – MUST USE AT LEAST 80% of the premium you pay TO YOUR CARE otherwise THEY MUST REFUND THE DIFFERENCE IN MONEY TO YOU.
It's in the best interest for the USA that these bullies work with this president and do so quickly.Redeem youselves from the curse of your forefathers and have a chance of eternal life. Hatred will win you hell.
I say let him have EXACTLY what he wants,it will not solve the debt crisis and will most likely plunge us back into recession. At that point its HIS economy.Both parties need to go back further in history than the Clinton admin and see what REALLY made this country great. It was not an entitlement mentality.Margaret Thatcher said it best..."The problem with socialism is eventually you run out of other people's money"
Putting the "Cliff" into perception transfered to the Bush deficit spending comes down to a "Bill Due" date and the GOP want to put the burden on the middle class, elderly, student or child... but don't touch my portfolio and offshore account.
bla blah blah Bush's fault, blah blah blah arab spring's fault, blah blah blah protesters gone wild, blah blah blah Obama is the greatest. Polly want a crack her
Really, when you think about it, it just sounds like you guys are mad that you didn't win the election. Just get over it. Even if Obama didn't win, me and my family still would've been living our life. And ya'll just can't blame every bad thing that happens in the U.S. on the president. At least he's trying.
Thank God for President Obama!, ...Smiles!
I'll start y saying I don't like this president. Now let’s talk about our problem. We will all be hit by a 2K increase in taxes next year if these jack bags in Washington (Or Hawaii if you the president on vacation) don’t do something. The republicans have agreed to the original request of the President of an 800 billion dollar tax increase, they don’t degree on how to get there (so what new). But there is nothing from the pres on spending cuts. We are 16 trillion in debt, I estimate our interest on that debt at 5 % is 800 billion. The increased tax revenue gets us no where we need to slash spending – across the board.
Lionel, you're wrong, this has nothing to do with Obama genuinely caring about people.
Dear President Obama,
I am one of your biggest fans. I voted for you.
Since you work for me and all the people of America, please can you do us a favor.
We love how you love middle class people like me. You are always welcome at my house to watch a football game. Heck with the way the Broncos have been playing lately, they might even beat the Bears should they get a match up (superbowl perhaps). However, can you please please quit the campaigning and meeting with moms from Idaho. Instead, please find a very nice conference room and get John Boehner over. Bring in some cheese and crackers, wine, whatever. And work out a deal – sounds like Republicans are gonna give up some taxes, now its our turn to give. Maybe some benefits, raise the retirement age – be smart, but yes its gonna hurt middle class people like me. I am sure we can still watch the game. Best of luck. Once we are done, maybe we can get back to solving some really important issues that I know we both care about, like the environment, education and fixing a few of the things in the health care that just aren't quite right. Also please get rid of the med device tax as that is hurting my industry.
Thanks
Dave
Having been one of those people who has been through the medical system over the last few years with an ill husband. I find medical devices and their cost a rip off that is very overpriced....it is ridiculous that a handicap chair costs Medicare and the secondary insurer the price of a new car. Or, that a 1 inch 10 ft nylon strap for a hoist cost $381.66 to replace.
I hope the tax stays in place....and the manufacturers quit ripping off the American people, and Medicare.
There is a whole lot of greed in the medical device field.
I love it when the guy who got beat up ( GOP) starts mouthing off about the guy who beat him(Obama)! Thanks Repubes!Soooo much Losers!
Obama meets with middle class & then jets off to Hawaii for a 2 month vacation while while driving America off the fiscal cliff – yeah he really relates to middle class
Thank you! How about spending 2 months LIVING like the middle class! We don't have a revenue problem we have a spending problem. I don't spend too much and ask my boss for a raise, I cut back on spending... This is NOT rocket science!
Like all previous Presidents they a working holiday , they have advisors near by to them up to date and secure communictions centre to kepp in touch with the WH. Pres Obama hasnt taken a 2 month holiday anytime during his term , most of them have been up to a week or so and in first 3 years he took 78 days of working vacation time ( more than happy if you can give an updated figure for his final year so far I will be more than happy) . Maybe you are thinking Pres G W Bush 879 days on working holidays at his Crawford hobby farm and 477 days at Camp David for a total of 1356 days away from the WH thats around 45% of his 8 years , and that doesnt count campaigning fundrasing trips.
What planet are you from? On this planet 20 days is not two months. Besides we were already at the bottom of the ravine when Obama took office....it was George W. Bush who drove the Train of State off the cliff.
Sorry Jean, I couldn't resist.
"we were already at the bottom of the ravine when Obama took office." Therefore, any action would have led to improvement no matter who was in office. When you are at the bottom, there is no place to go but up.
Not if you were buried by a rockslide after you hit bottom....just sayin'.
Our middle class won't be happy when we get a tax raise too because taxing just the rich isn't gonna cut it. My president put us in a little too much debt.
Most of you people are Not Very Nice.
Yes we can & we GOT 4 MORE YEARS!! People this is NOT the 50/60 any more things have CHANGED a MAN of Color is the head man NOW so lets work TOGETHER & GET THIS COUNTRY GOING is color always going to be in the WAY IF SO YOU NEED TO PRAY PRAY PRAY TO GOD CAUSE HE WAS THE ONE WHO PUT PRESIDENT OBAMA WHERE HE IS...
You all are nuts to think the rep. are tryin to things better come on now look what Bush did to us. The rep. are olny lookin out for there kind it wouldnt hurt there pokets to pay a lil more, shit the rich spend that much money in one day or one hour beforreal. And for them to take more away from Medicare thats horrible my mother a single parent worked her hole life untill she got lung cancer,she filed for disabilty&they denied her we ended up homeless&took her 3yrs to win her case thats bs a american that worked there hole life untill they were deadly ill couldnt even get S.S something she paid into just wrong. So now im prayin her med. cost dosent go up higher cuz yes sometimes us poor fokes have to choose if were ganna buy food for the week or my meds people shouldnt have to live like this but we do its all over America its sad.I thank god every day i have my mother another day. And b/c ur on medicare or medcaid its not welfare u have it b/c ur sick or pregnant or u realy need.I thank god for medicare
God put President Obama where he's at
And idk about other people comments they dont no how it is to live middle class or low income mybe try it for a month u might learn something. Obama i realy hope u see my 2 commets theres some questions i haue for you, your a good man Obama u changed my families life in a good way thank you Mr. Presdent Obama fight hard stand ur ground make the rich pay more they can aford it.
Instead of cutting expenses travel as a tourist , to discuss and show how ignorant He is about simple mathematic. If you see the rising of the common goods . You voted for Him.
20 days, a month are close enough. I don't get a 20 day vacation. Maybe if he was talking to Congress and not out campaigning he could accomplish something.
If thats how you do maths ( 20 days almost equals 30 or 31 days) I would hate to be a business man supplying goods to you ,if I gave you a bill for $30 would you just give me $20 and then say oh well thats close enough to $30.
But back to your comment on hoidays , its adsurd that you and many american workers dont get over 3 weeks holidays a year . Do you live at your work site , or on call 24 hours a day wherever you are in the US or the world , Any leader of a country deserve al 20 days a year on vacation (working vacation ) remember Pres GW Bush was on working vacations at Camp David or his Crawford hobby farm for over 1300 days , over 150 days a year, so Pres Obama is doing pretty good at only having between 20-30 working vacation days a year so far .
Also annie I can very easily find you many rich individuals who pays less taxes because they get all his money through dividends and capital gains than a high income middle class person. You do not even have to talk about rich. A person trading stocks and making 100k / year should not pay less in taxes than an engineer making 80-100k. The tax system is clearly rigged not only for the rich but for people with a certain type of lifestyle who contribute nothing to the economy other than move money from place to place.
And not everyone can afford high priced accountants who deduct everything known to man. Even Republicans agree the tax code has to be simplified and some deductions have to disappear, because they are fundamentally unfair. Deductions also favor the wealthy.
Isnt this sweet, he makes 14 mill in 4 years and pretends to care.
How much did Romney earn in the last 4 years , and he supposedly cared too. Thats right he didnt earn anything since he stepped down as Gov , in his own words he was unemployed ( did he get the unemployment benefit and food stamps ) but he was a nice father and supported his sons after they resigned from good paying jobs ( isnt that being lazy and irresponsible ) to volunteer on his campaign fulltime while unemployed . Arent the unemployed supposed to spend everyday looking for work.
My point was it is a long vacation. The number doesn't matter. If you are an Obama supporter, gegygg, you don't understand basic math because your leader doesn't and smart businessman don't follow stupid ones.
So the Bear Stearns Bank and other financial institutions( they supported Bush in 2 elections) were run by smart business men who understood basic maths how much did they lose???? , or in the new repub reality were they bankrupted by the unions.
I just love it when the inconsistencies in the anti Obama arguements, are pointed out suddenly numbers and facts dont matter , notice you didnt say if Bushs holidays were too long , or is 150 days a year shorter than 30 days a year for Obama. Or is that anything that happened before 2009 shouldnt be mentioned , repubs are so modern they dont even want to remember the past.
i am the middle class but i do not want more people to be beholding to the government i want people to be trained for jobs & tio get up every morning & go to work because i do not bwant to work o supportnthem since when is $250,000.considered rich rich is w mil
EVERYbody steady complain but wont sign a petition to get him impeached.... Yall just stfu and ride this out...
Let them Eat Cake !!!
Obama photo op! President ditches work again today to go waste yet another day of the short window before the country hes goes over the cliff! Typical OBAMA leadership more worried about anything except doin his job!! Obama lead the country here and now wants to pretend it is not his fault he cant even make a budget and pass it!
Well, he did meet with John Boehner today. I guess John was a waste of time and loser in your enlightened opinion. Perhaps you could get Mr. Ed to replace John. It seems like a fair trade to me.
Obama drives country over cliff! Last heard sayin I dont know what happened I didnt make a budget practice any responsible spending habits!
Obama has ruined the nation with his pointless spending. If you voted for Obama, you are responsible too. Thanks for helping wreck the nation traitors.
4 more years – America held hostage by a socialistic, never had a real job, has no clue what he is doing, president who for years attended a white hating/American hating church. No one forgot that, did they? This guy is going to drive this country in to the ground, then what will his lazy, handout taking, 47% followers do then?
By voting libertarian you can stand on the side line and look at all the democrat and republican monkeys throwing poo at one another. You see us Libertarians actually care about the nations future and not how long we our our lackeys can stay in office. Wake up America and stop voting for the slime that is a republican or a democrat. Vote for something truly different next time.... VOTE Libertarian.
You all are idiots this man dosnt give a damn about anything but giving our land and money to the muzzy brother hood. You beter WAKE THE F#?#K UP. YOU WILL WHEN THEY ARE AT YOUR DOOR WANTING WHAT HE GAVE THEM YOUR RIGHTS.
He is still campaigning because republicans are still in denial and need some reassurance that it is okay to move forward. He should just walk into Congress and tell them what needs to get done and if they don't, then I'm pretty sure he won't get blamed for inaction but the Congress, who has unbelievably low approval ratings, will be blamed. Boehner and the GOP just look like obstructionist at this point. Man up or shut up and get out of the president's way.
Are you kidding? Get out of his way? How can you get IN his way when he's nowhere to be found in Washington DC! The guy refuses to actually do any work, but rather continue to preach his rhetoric. When are we going to see action from Obama rather than photo ops? We get it Barry, Repubs are bad, and raising the taxes on the >$250k crowd will answer all of our prayers and keep you from setting another record deficit spending record....Now, why don't you actually GET TO WORK rather than pose for cameras and GET THE JOB DONE ALREADY?????
All of you are morons if you think any of these people give a crap about you.There are people in new jersey who are still out of power people in new orleans who have never moved back.(Hey can tax us 100 percent and we still can't pay for all the free crap. The biggest joke is both sides in washington get this it is just the feeble minded party line fighters who don't have a clue.
OK, seriously, put the political party favoritism aside for a moment...shouldn't we ALL be annoyed with the fact that while we're on the cusp of major tax increases and such that our President would rather campaign than take part in negotiations? This is when we need a leader, and running campaign-style business isn't helping one bit. TIME TO GET TO WORK OBAMA! Stop campaigning please and do your job!
ANOTHER PERSON THAT IGNORES THE NEWS. ....ZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
If this country goes into a double dip recession, any Republican that decided not to vote is at fault for electing a man who probably failed economics 101
You could begin with the Republican Governors, like Rick Scott in Florida, for chasing away voters who were not only supporters of Dems BUT OF REPUBS in their attempt at VOTER SUPPRESSION. I think Democrats might have picked up a few unexpected voters in the next elections. Oh, the cost of dumping on Democracy's best invention – THE VOTE.
Why does he need this visit with the "Common" folks. Trying to make himself feel better just prior to jacking up our taxes? I wouldn't waste my time sitting down with him. Whats the point?
Will he explain to them why he insists on flooding the U.S. job market thru legal and illegal immigration, despite the obvious harm this causes to 99% of American workers? That's how it is, though, when you win an election with massive support from the Mexian gov't and it's well organized expatriate community living in the U.S.
Kev, properly written, it would read, "The biggest idiotS are the Democrats." Democrats is plural, therefore "idiot" must be. Sentences end with periods, not commas. Thanks.
Can someone please tell this guy he won....Thusday it was another meet the people and today he is visiting a car plant in the midwest....I have never seen a guy work so hard for so little...If he gets the tax increase, he only closes 8% of the budget deficit...methinks he needs to stop being a talk show host/campaigner and start being a president....Oh and after this, he is off to Hawaii for what 20 days? Give me a break!!!
98 percent of Americans taxes will stay the same under Obama's plan and the country agrees. majority rules tell the top 2 percent to such it up and pay.
NO SENTIMENT. THAT'S THE SPIRIT OF GOOD LEADERSHIP.
people please!!! if you arent part of the solution you are part of the problem...i live in texas where most sane people dont want to remove ourselves from the usa....and if romney had won we would all be down the crapper flushed into mexico.....get over it!!!! obama won and rightly so.....
Austerity is possible coupled with the increase in taxes for those making over $250,000 but it will take all of Congress to work together and allow it to run it's course.
The problems didn't come over night and they can't be fixed over night.
Everyone across the board, rich and poor, need to make sacrifices to help get this country back to where it should be. The politicians need to do their job and make sure it gets done.
Brenda, Mitt Romney would not let Texas leave. It is people like you who are part of the problem
Mitt would tell Texas to self-deport. Me personally, would miss Texas. Ah, the smell of fresh oil in the morning.
Texas is one of my favorite states. But people forget that southern Texas is full of Democrats. You guys really believe Romney would let Texas leave. That's just really trying to criticize him on everything. If you guys can believe that, it's no wonder you guys can believe the little lies.
Looks to me like they can afford to pay their fair share. How unpatriotic. LMAO For years democrats swore the Bush tax cuts did nothing for the MC now they swear we can't make it without it. What a farce.